3346 posts • joined 3 Sep 2007
Notably missing from the "Tech Giants": Oracle, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung…
The next world war will be a patent war.
Re: what's missing?
If data is not on Google, you can hope another search engine will find it. If nobody can find it, then the data might as well not exist…
Mostly due to the disparity in job applicants, but can still do better.
The Reg shan't reveal any details, in line with the BBC's plea to keep the scripts under wraps.
You guys rock!
You've got to be kidding me
First, Google is told it is illegal to keep links that are irrelevant. And now, it is said to be illegal to remove links that are relevant?
This would mean that no matter what it shows, Google can be sued for showing or not showing what somebody does not like? And the right to decide what is correct belongs to the courts?
No wonder they are complaining like hell about it.
Re: Asking for a court order
Given Google were specifically ordered by the ECJ to examine requests themselves first, asking every time for a court order would likely get them attacked for being deliberately obstructive, wasting taxpayer money and trying yet again to avoid following the law.
I'm not sure either why you get the idea that the courts would be able to handle the load of requests. The numbers quoted give 50'000 requests in a month. You think the ICO can handle that?
Normally, people complain that Google are ignoring regulators; but here, you are complaining Google are doing exactly as they were told.
Soon, people using Tor will automatically be suspected. A bit like any bit torrent activity is supposed to be pirating.
You don't produce breakthrough technology by only relying on what's already available, I guess…?
Re: Prius attracts ridicule?
Yes, it's especially great for taxis, which tend to get stuck in the traffic. Not sure what the spite is about? Must be an Australian thing.
The taxi industry is overregulated to protect the incumbents. If the cabbies think Uber is making too much money, they should join.
Coming soon: exciting new developments in wearable computing!
Re: To what end?
In the first place, this can only work if people are willing to forget. It is enough to have one enemy who writes every month about you, and you will never get rid of your past.
The right to be forgotten only works for people nobody cares about… Which sounds about right.
Damned if they do…
I really would like to point out that if Google bounced every request to the ICO, they would automatically get attacked for bogging down the system and trying yet again to worm their way out of obeying the ECJ's ruling. I'm sure the last thing Google wants is to piss off the European regulators some more.
Ten says the user saw an incomprehensible email about banking stuff, and reported it as a phishing attempt!
Re: re: Because, yes, other people created better browsers.
Firefox has a market share that is comparable to IE, and they got there without using a monopoly position in anything.
Re: Google in a nutshell.
You seem to imply that Google in effect steals its weather data from around the web… However, a bit of searching reveals that Google gets its data from Weather Underground: http://www.google.com/intl/en/help/features_list.html#weather
It is reasonable to assume that they do pay for it.
This is not the issue. The issue is, should Google show data on top of the page, or should it have the user click on one of the result links? The first is easier for the user, and the second is better for competition. But in the end, the reason competition is considered good is only to ensure the user gets good service. This is why Almunia said once "My mission is to protect competition to the benefit of consumers, not competitors."
Read the article
Actually, as explained in the article, this is not yet a crime. As opposed to murders, which are already a crime every day even though there are no specific laws for each day.
Re: Can't see the gray area here
I understand that the laws of some States make such restrictions illegal… So, just because something was signed or agreed to does not means it is legally binding.
E.g many of the T&Cs of popular web services contain stuff that would not be upheld by a court.
There wouldn't be many interesting analytical articles if they were only allowed to predict what happened in the past.
Re: Eventual forced replacement?
"Existing users with the app can continue to use it, but no features will be added and new users will not be able to install the app"
I'd assume that installed apps stay installed after updates…? But let's say that in three-four years, it will simply stop working properly with Android Popsicle.
Re: More "management versus labor" mentality
I've never met an employee with kids that does more hours than an employee that doesn't have children
You might not have looked closely; it's called confirmation bias. In any case, as a different data point, the guy who works the longest hours in my team is a father.
OT, I can believe that having some leeway makes you more happy and productive. However, I'd say that working at home full-time (the way it was accepted at Yahoo before Marisa Meyer) only works well for very few people in a small number of positions.
What about North Korea?
I'd have thought it was ranked even lower…
I don't get it
I thought Aperture was a successful product. Why are they axing it? Isn't Apple's general strategy to offer quality software to get people to buy its hardware?
Yes. That why they wrote "it's not reasonable".
Also, Amazon is making a profit on this.
Re: No particular knowledge
Wow. I sure hope I can keep my current job, because apparently if I lose it, I'll be back to getting paid $10 an hour since I can't possibly know anything about anything that's not confidential information about my current company which I'm not allowed to reveal.
It's hard on new CEOs poached from rival companies. They know nothing about their new jobs either.
Re: the meatspace alternative?
I'm not sure how the app works, but the "auction off" part seems to imply the original parking place user chooses in exchange of money who is allowed to use it after they're gone.
I don't see any way this can be claimed to be an exchange of information. If somebody happens to be there waiting, they shpuld get the parking place. No one gets to say otherwise.
Re: Back the bus up
The right to be forgotten apparently means that, though archives of old embarrassing data may still exist and be available, they should not be too easy to find.
So the websites are allowed to keep showing the data, but Google is not allowed to display them in results.
It does seem strange! But I'd like to offer a parallel: Anybody who sees you in the street is allowed to recognize you and tweet your position. However, it would probably be illegal to build a countrywide network of cameras with facial recognition system that would allow anybody to query for your position. Unless the government does it.
Re: Bad Decision
Well yes, DVRs are legal; but offering to everybody to use your DVR is not. Just like you can watch a DVD you own in your home, but you are not allowed to project it on a huge screen in public. That's what the "not for public performance" warning means. Or you can watch a football match at home, but not record it and put it on YouTube.
I'm actually surprised this had to go all the way to the Supreme Court. It feels perfectly logical to me.
Re: Content ID
Sorry, this is FUD.
Content ID is not just for the big 3 who have a special arrangement. If you'll remember, one of the famous cases of over-flagging was a NASA video removed because some outfit called Scripps Local News was claiming to own the copyright. They're not in the big 3 of anything.
In theory Google has a content ID system that could block the unlicensed uploads - but nobody can compel it to use the system
Huh? Is that a claim that Google is not taking down videos through Content ID?? That I remember, most of the complaints about that system is overflagging videos for content that should be in the public domain, or is not even owned by the claiming entity. I have never heard of content producers complaining that the Content ID system is not working… And God knows they know how to complain when they feel like it.
Goddam, these people are petty
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If somebody wants the information to be known, it is probably trivial to regularly have an article published about the matter, and it is almost certainly impossible to stop this from happening. I believe this whole right to be forgotten can only work when nobody really cares except for the person in question.
Re: Im shocked I tells ya - shocked!
> YouTube works because stuff gets uploaded and viewed globally before anyone has a chance to object
I take it you haven't heard about ContentId? Producers don't have to find all the uploads. They just tell YouTube which music belongs to them, and YouTube blocks all pirate uploads automatically… If that is the wish of the producer. More often that not, though, the pirate uploads are allowed to stay, but the ad revenue goes to the producer.
According to the article, the Canadian judge has ordered Google to stop showing these results to anybody in the world, not just to Canadians. Because most of the business made by the companies is made outside of Canada.
Also, technically, it is the Chinese government firewall that is filtering the results in China, not Google.
Oh boy, wait until China discovers this
Dear Google, following Chinese law, our Chinese judge orders you to remove the following pages from your index worldwide:
Re: What do you expect?
I suspect they are using a goldfish for yardstick of "living memory"
Hang on, is that a claim that Search results are manipulated by money paid to Google?
re: bouncing all requests to the courts
I really don't think Google is going to be able to just bounce all requests to the courts. It would be way too easy for to many companies to reject all legal requests, force claimants to pay for a lawyer, bog up the legal system, and ultimately not do it.
Engineers have trouble to understand this, but laws do not work like computers programs. Using bugs and loopholes to game the system and violate the spirit of the law is punished.
Re: In other mildly related news:
I think the flaw in this particular ruling can be more clearly explained as: "China would like nobody to be able to search for the Tienanmen incident". Should it be censored for the whole world because Google happens to also do business in China…? According to this Canadian judge, it should.
Re: A troupe of boffins?
A school of boffins? A pod of boffins?
22 years for armed robbery?
Damn, that's like twice what he would get for rape or what?
…Maybe it's one of these recidivist clauses?
Actually, forget that. Don't send anything. You probably don't want to see the pic you received anyway…
I don't get it
I thought Google were actually following the law to the letter by having put up this application form for removing embarrassing links from their results (though obviously actual removals will take some time to be approved). So what are they doing wrong?
The joke made me smile
I believe there should have been one more possible answer to the second question in the poll, which is "He was talking about nobody, since it was a joke".
Re: Google notice:
The actual motto was: "don't be evil"
"Google backdoored the root of Android for the NSA"
Really? I must have missed that particular revelation. Do you have a link, Mr. AC?
Re: Google, privacy
…Says the nth Anonymous Coward attacking Google in the same thread…