Posts by DrFierce

Re: Throwing the wedding rice, a new future awaits.

The development team for Notes, Domino and other parts of the collaboration suite moved to HCL in the beginning of 2018 (or was it a bit earlier, not 100% if I recall the exact time correctly).

They've been handling it for at least 10 months and, with version 10 that was released not too long ago, they are indeed paying a fair sum of money, but: a) it's in a much better place, b) it's already in much better condition; and, c) yeah, everyone involved at HCL seems to be still crazy in love with these products.

Even though there's a few people that seem to have a hate-on for Notes/Domino, there are other people who like it and would like nothing better than see it attain a new glory as a cutting edge enterprise tool. Yeah, that includes me too.

Re: Do the people at El Reg...

True that. Indeed, there was a acquisition cost, but the amount of money they made in licenses, services support contracts, premium support contracts, etc... needs to be factored in. If I bought source code and the rights for this source code for $5,000 and made a million dollars with it and then sold the code and the rights to this code for $2,500, I didn't incur a loss of 50%, I actually made a profit just short of 200,000%...

Re: Notes sold off to Indian Firm, Microsoft twitches... no... it was just the wind

Yeah, in the early aughts, Microsoft was also proud of having won the Browser war against Netscape. Remind me how well they are doing now on that front?

Re: Why all the hate?

HCL released Version 10 of Lotus Notes/Domino earlier this year. So improve Notes they have and quite a bit. Now that they have the whole thing as theirs, the updates are going to be even more significant (and a version 11 has already been promised by HCL). So what was your argument again?

Re: I will take note that Notes has been offloaded ..... again.

Time to setup a Domino server, including creating server, admin and user IDs: 5 minutes. Another five for a decent web server configuration. Add another five minute to setup the client. There you go: 15 minutes and I've got a decent client/server setup and can do pretty much what I want. But ok, 15 minutes can be long for some folks... Remind me how quickly you can set up an Exchange and Sharepoint server to (not nearly) do the same thing?

It's costly to move off of it because despite what Microsoft says, it's not a simple process to go from the Notes format to the Exchange/Outlook format (Microsoft has been at it for 20 years now? You'd think they would have sorted that out by now). Also, you are still far, far away from parity with regards to applications, development, etc... Microsoft has also been working on this for a long time, you'd also think they'd have that sorted out by now...

Re: That's a lot of notes for Notes

Wow. Hopefully you're not an IT person. I've been in the business for 20+ years and I've never had a product scar me psychologically that I didn't want to see what improvements occurred with different versions, even when looking at Internet Exploder...

Re: Do IBM,...

The folks at IBM use the Cloud version for Mail (SmartCloud Notes, which is Verse on Mobile devices) and there is a mix of on-premises use as well as cloud-based use (the latter through DAC/SoftLayer). Not sure I heard anyone complain about all this.

Re: Never Got To Grips with Notes....

The authentication is handled via the Notes ID and you authenticate when you load the Notes client. That's it. No login required after that (unless you have a needlessly complicated environment, but that's a different story).

The databases have an access control list and different levels of access. There is a Manager access level, but Manager != Administrator. Most of well-maintained ACLs use user groups, so no need most of the time to go an deal with the ACL itself.

Thought this had to be said because what you describe and the reality of Notes' security seem to be two different things. Also, is it too late for a refund for that Notes training? I don't think they provide a good service.