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Chap behind Godwin's law suspends his own rule for Charlottesville fascists: 'By all means, compare them to Nazis'
Re: Something people are missing.
"For example, eugenics is included in various curricula today. As in "those who forget history ..."."For those who forget history:
"But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.
Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries."
Re: Something people are missing.
"Excuse me? THE FUCKING NAZIS NEVER HAD THIS COUNTRY! How can the blithering idiots "take back" something they never had?"I think most of us loathe Nazism because of its eugenics element. It's worth noting that applied eugenics occurred in the USA long before it was taken up in Nazi Germany.
"In 1906 J.H. Kellogg provided funding to help found the Race Betterment Foundation in Battle Creek, Michigan. The Eugenics Record Office (ERO) was founded in Cold Spring Harbor, New York in 1911 by the renowned biologist Charles B. Davenport, using money from both the Harriman railroad fortune and the Carnegie Institution. As late as the 1920s, the ERO was one of the leading organizations in the American eugenics movement.
By 1928, there were 376 separate university courses in some of the United States' leading schools, enrolling more than 20,000 students, which included eugenics in the curriculum."
Hitler didn't gain power in Germany until 1933.
Re: The thin line between right and wrong
"Just to clarify that a bit more, I subscribe to Buckminster Fuller's view that a "racist" is "someone who believes in race." There is only one race, here, and we're all part of it. For that reason, I also reject the idea of forming organisations to advocate for one's race. It's a misguided concept."The only problem with that is it's biologically incorrect. We are all one species, but species are subdivided divided into races. As I pointed out elsewhere, within Africa there exist three haplogroups*/races; outside Africa there is only one haplogroup.
Incorrect word usage inevitably leads to talking at cross purposes. Species != race.
* Offspring inherit their mtDNA from their mother. Membership of a haplogroup is determined by which of the available mtDNA types you have. It's possible that Africa has more than three haplogroups; more may remain to be discovered.
Re: The future...
"I appreciate that you are reiching for that pun"I think you just Hitlered the nail on the head...
Re: 'scum in the shadows'
"The MSM doesn't inform any more, if it ever did"Thomas Jefferson:
"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day...
I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false."
"Why do white supremacists always seem to be obese, scruffy, poorly educated and plastered in tatts?"Because they're trying to blend in with the hoi poloi? I see lotsa tatts, new jeans in shop windows with the knees already worn out and mucho obesity?
I've actually contemplated getting one discrete tattoo on my forearm. A heart with an arrow through it and the words: "Born to raise tomatoes" underneath.
Re: RE : Brexit
"Calm down dear. Go and get yourself a nice soothing cup of tea."And a Bex...
"The stereotype of women always being more sensitive to colours than men is not a stereotype. It is science."It also no doubt gets you called a sexist. I know this because when I point out that "As a group, the Aborigines have significantly better visual acuity than the Europeans" I'm called a racist.
"it seems a bit odd to me that you'd demand Google 'clarify' its code of conduct to people who *aren't bound by it*"Not really. Codes of Conduct are generally available to the public and for good reason. Let's say the CoC allows employees to swear at customers. Customers then have no grounds for complaint when called a stupid cunt. OTOH is the CoC specifically forbids abusing customers in any way, then customers have grounds to complain to the employer.
NB I deliberately chose an extreme example, not a real-world one.
"The handy thing about the symphony orchestra case is that you really only need someone in a symphony orchestra to be good at one thing: playing the music."Not really. They also need:
* To be able to follow the direction of the current conductor
* To turn up to work. I am minded of when the brass section of the LSO decided to spend the afternoon in the pub when Frank Zappa hired the orchestra
* To get along with their fellow musicians. A tympanist who tells the first violinist she's a cunt who couldn't play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star if she tried might not be a welcome addition...
Re: Just to clarify
"may be all future all commenters that haven't felt the need to read the article before posting a comment could append "Non reader" in bold in front of their comment. Greater clarity all round."Touché :-)
Worth noting that there's a lot of opinion all over the place from those who obviously haven't read any of the ten pages being discussed.
" I don't know if they only give you the names of businesses willing to advertise with Google or what, but their responses are severely lacking."I just did a search on "restaurants near me" (Southern Tasmania). In the first three pages, there were only two irrelevant links; one to an interstate chain and one to a newspaper article. There were only four hits that were ads. Maybe you're doing something wrong.
Re: Just to clarify @Keiren
"'Well, noone is forcing you....' is a crap response. Your stories are attempted click bait, sir."Successful rather than attempted I'd say. Four pages of comments and we're still going :-)
Re: Casual Racism in The Register?
"What about Indian coding?"Insufficient information. Is that North American Indians, South American Indians, West Indies Indians, or Indian Indians?
Re: Just to clarify
"If you don't read his articles how do you manage to post a comment on one?"Why are you picking on DropBear? Not reading the OP doesn't stop ever so many other commentards commenting... Especially when they comment on the comments rather than the OP.
Re: Its just a name the liberal rags and MSM gave to conservatives
"I am very conservative. I totally believe in conservation."
Have one of these ------------------------------------>
"Such nonsense."Oh I dunno. I think your suggestions have much merit.
Re: "why Blacks are such fast runners?"
"Conversely, the descendants of abused slaves aren't so hot at distance running."Probably why they became such excellent boxers; they had to survive somehow :-)
Re: Pissing in the wind I'm afraid
"I have fired canons..."You're a bishop then... ;-)
Re: Perhaps a Computer Science degree should include History courses.
Pissing in the wind I'm afraid TheElder. I mean, everyone knows women were utterly suppressed prior to the Enlightenment. Take that Doctor of the Church* Hildegard von Bingen (1098 – 1179). She only managed to write three great volumes of visionary theology, write the Ordo Virtutum (69 musical compositions, each with its own original poetic text and at least four other works), medicinal and scientific writings, and invent an alternative alphabet. One imagines that she might have achieved something of real importance if she hadn't been so suppressed.
* Doctor of the Church = saint recognised as having been of particular importance
Re: Just to clarify
"so he can further his narrative by having Trump (who everyone hates) and Damore in the same article so that he can draw an association between the two"Everyone hates Trump? Don't think so. An awful lot of people voted for him and that's hardly evidence of hatred. Then his success has led to a considerable amount of foaming at the mouth from people who do hate him. And for some of us that is a source of considerable amusement. Why would you hate someone who makes you laugh?
FWIW I utter the word "covfefe" as I get out of bed in the morning these days, though my son tells me I'm pronouncing it wrong :-)
Re: Historical context of speculating about human biology
"I suspect that he didn't fully understand this historical context. And that's why he said what he did, as if it was something new."And since you clearly don't know your history, you're calling for him to share your POV which appears to consist of spouting crap.
Re: Casual Racism in The Register?
"OK, but what if the facts you stated were true or positive? is it still racist?"Apparently so. I have been called a racist here on El Reg for pointing out that there are genetic diseases commonly suffered by Ashkenazi Jews that are very rare in the general population. They are double recessive so only likely to be expressed when both partners are Ashkenazi Jews. Many are quite nasty so there's a special test called a genetic panel.
"Only if you assume a symmetrical distribution. Much as almost all of us have greater than the average number of fingers on our hands, I suspect the great majority of drivers are above average."A lot depends on which average you choose to promote your prejudices. By definition, 50% are above the median and 50% below.
Interesting read I had a couple of weeks ago that I can't link to; it's behind a paywall. I can't access it again either because my free trial subscription expired. Basically, here in Oz, women in STEM earn about the same as men (within 3–4%). Reportage in the MSM compares women's earnings in the public service with men's earnings in private enterprise to maintain the fiction of greater income disparity.
Also, and this is interesting, women now outnumber men in several STEM occupations traditionally male dominated. More interesting still, the greatest income disparity is in the female-dominated occupations such as nursing and it's in favour of men.
FWIW, when I was an employer I showed no favour; women were paid exactly the same as men for the same work. I had a personal preference for women, not so much because of their sex, but because they were more reliable. Men would often outperform them, but were much more prone to not turning up for work and that was a royal PITA.
Re: Oh, STFU
"Prenatal exposure to different levels of androgen does seem to produce different effects throughout the life span."Forgot to mention this in previous comment. Fifty years ago or so some prescription medicines administered to pregnant women profoundly affect androgens and so fœtal development. As well, chicken farmers began administering androgens to the feed of meat birds and these are still present in the end product. Soy products also contain androgen-mimics. It's an interesting experiment...
Re: Men and women are different
"It is time to face up to a very simple fact. Men and women are not the same. They do not think the same way. Much of this is determined by the amount of testosterone they are exposed to during development before birth. Women have testosterone, just not as much as men. It varies quite a lot. This has a direct impact on how the brain develops. It is a very powerful neurochemical."It’s worth considering the import of this further. The default human brain is female. Normally the brain of a male fœtus is created by changes wrought by testosterone in the final weeks before birth. As such, there are things that can go “wrong” and it is this that creates brains that are on the autism spectrum.
I put wrong in scare quotes because from my POV as a mild Asperger “sufferer”, I’m happy with what I am. I subscribe to my psychologist friend’s prescription for a contented life, the Popeye Principal. “I yam what I yam”. For descriptions of autism in positive terms, rather than the usual negative terms, see Simon Baron-Cohen’s writings.
Some female fœtuses also undergo the brain transformation that male fœtuses and some of those can also land them in the autism spectrum. Some male fœtuses do not receive the androgens required for possessing a male brain. Thus there is a variety of possible brain types though the different types shade into each other.
The female brain has on average a much thicker corpus collosum than the male brain. This organ connects the two hemispheres of the brain so females have the advantage over males integrating the differing functions that the left and right hemispheres are responsible for. Neurotypical (NT) brains of both types have more than one area of brain tissue active while processing emotions. Aspies have either only one area active, or much diminished activities in other areas when compared to NTs. That area in both aspies and NTs is activated when doing logical stuff such as mathematics.
Fairly obviously if you are restricted to using logic and reasoning to and lack the emotional processing ability, you are going to perceive the world in a very different way to NTs. Full-on Aspergers makes life extremely difficult. My oldest son is one such. Milder Aspergers such as myself and my younger son manage to get by pretty well because we can deduce NT reactions in most situations.
A “cartoon” that illustrates this is where the wife asks: “Does this dress make me look fat?” The typical aspie response is: “Yes!” if it does. Most of us learn pretty quickly that’s the wrong response unless you want to give your wife the shits. In more complex social interactions, the amount of reasoning required to work out the required NT response becomes too much. It’s this that makes the typical aspie more stressed than typical NTs.
Difficulties arise from not understanding that these brain differences profoundly affect how we perceive the world and behave in social interactions. Telling an aspie all he/she needs to do is “get in touch with your emotions” is quite futile. The aspie is in touch with them. It’s just that the part of the brain that’s generating them is not the specialist machinery NTs possess and consequently very often aspies cannot convey their feelings in words. As Mark Twain noted, you cannot educate iron into gold. And this goes for the other brain-types as well. Telling someone to become superb at mathematics when their brain is oriented toward interpreting the world by dancing, or raising children is equally futile.
There was some interesting research done many years ago that showed performance in the STEM subjects could be improved by several methods, including segregating male and female students. Performance in non-STEM subjects showed no changes as a result of using those methods.
Rita Carter’s Mapping the Mind is an accessible though somewhat dated account of these and many other issues related to the human brain.
Re: Been Following
"The net effect is to create a hostile work place not just for women but also many men who value an outside life."Indeed. Funny thing, feminazis say men are exploiting women who do the housewife thing. For many years, I've been the househusband while Mrs Git went out to work. The feminazis tell me that's exploiting Mrs Git. So I can't win. In the meantime Mrs Git is doing what she prefers while I'm doing what I prefer. Social "engineers" can fuck off if they think we're going to do what they want us to do.
"If I do a quick Google... How much of the thousands of hits are real science and how much BS is unknown."
Google Scolar lets you filter out a huge amount of bullshit. What's left still has quite a lot of bullshit, but you are far more likely to find correct information than using just a mainstream search application.
Re: Kieren, thank you for avoiding profanity this time
"Morons and geniuses are male. You noted Google tries to hire geniuses."Those of us on the Autism spectrum are predominantly male so while males account for ~49% of the human population, they account for considerably more than 50% of those diagnosed as "suffering" from Asperger syndrome for example. Should we start to demand that Aspies be properly represented in the caring professions to which they are singularly unsuited and currently dominated "unfairly" by women? Or should we just accept that different people are attracted to different professions/callings?
Re: "why Blacks are such fast runners?"
"There isn't, and wasn't ever, a monolithic 'black race', any more than there ever was a monolithic 'white race'"Last time I looked there were 3 major mtDNA haplogroups in Africa and everyone outside Africa belongs to a single haplogroup. Splitters being splitters I imagine there are now many sub-groups to help cloud the issue.
"Apart from it's rather breathless written-by-a-hormonal-14-year-old style, I did learn something..."I think you will find the term "hot chicks" is from the Merkin vernacular and not uniquely Australian.
Sheep are a New Zealand preference and Australia is a separate country.
"Sane Englishman" would appear to be a contradiction in terms.
[Thinks! Who else can I offend?]
"when I was about 20 I wanted to get a job a radio presenter, because frankly being a developer/engineer bored the crap out of me and radio jocks seemed to get all the women."Back in the 1980s I had the midnight to dawn timeslot on Sunday at 92 FM. Never got me any women though I was told that night nurses at Hobart's hospitals were fans of my show. I introduced Hobart to reggae and ethnic/world music in general. The station managed to push Adam and the Ants to number one locally even though the commercial stations refused to play their music. Great days...
Re: Documentation? Who reads that?
"So one time they added a line to the documents saying the first person to find this gets a free beer. No one claimed the free beer."A couple of decades ago I led some job clubs for the unemployed. One of the first exercises was to fill in a questionnaire. At the top of the questionnaire in large, bold letters were the words: "Please Read All Items In This Questionnaire Before Answering Them". The final item read: "Do not answer any of the questions. Just write your name at the top of the first page." Despite my reading out the instruction at the top of the first page, most participants answered all of the questions.
Re: I am Steve Ballmer
"I'm Steve Ballmer, and so's my wife."So it's not just one of you that's a pain in the arse...
Re: OTOH there is the case
... or soldering a connection between two pads on an inexpensive 72 pin SIMM to turn it in to "expensive" printer memory.
"Both recent (say 2010 onwards?) versions of Word and LibreOffice can save in PDF format quite well and that is probably the best way to circulate a document for other to read read/print."But "quite well" may not always be good enough. See my previous comment.
"But none of the word processors are really format-compatible, and while the difference between Word and LibreOffice is obvious and annoying, you also get problems going between the Windows version and Mac version of Word (for example, with equations, etc).Amen! And just in case, Awomen, too!
A pox on them all!"
"But who would create print ready proofs in Acrobat? Surely you would use your DTP or graphics software (InDesign etc) and choose your export format based upon your printer's requirements...."Reputable bureaus will mostly only accept PDF. It used to be PostScript, but as you are no doubt aware, PDF is a version of PS. Adobe InDesign of course creates fully compliant PDFs.
Microsoft Publisher on the other hand doesn't. Images for display are RGB corresponding to the three colours of the dots on your display. Images for printing are CMYK for the four-colour printing process. Adobe's PDF converter, automagically converts RGB images to CMYK* when you choose a PDF print option. Microsoft's PDF conversion in Publisher doesn't; the images remain RGB and printing RGB is shit. The three colours mixed together make a muddy brown, rather than black.
"More often than not they would ask for the original binary file, such as an indesign file and set printing up directly from that."If they do ask for the binary, ask yourself why they would. The binary is very easy to edit. PDFs have to be explicitly opened in an appropriate editor to do so. It is not necessary to have edit capabilities in order to print.*
Professionals will have already done the conversion and placed the images as CMYK.
"Shome mishtake, shurely? They might be circulated using PDF, the tool used to read the PDF is up to the end user but definitely does not have to be Adobe Reader and many safer alternatives can readily be found."I should have expressed myself better; my bad. It's really a can of worms. Adobe Acrobat has any number of proprietary extensions that rival readers do not implement. If you are using them and have the expectation that end-users are going to use them, then full compatibility mandates Adobe's software. I wouldn't want to hand off a document created by a clone where the cost of the press run was several thousand dollars for example. Sure, we run a press proof, but it's amazing what can be missed in proofing.
I can remember working in an organisation where rather more people had a use for creating PDFs than they were licensed for. I recommended a cheaper rival (PDF Docs IIRC) that also included its own proprietary stuff that would have been particularly useful for the manager. IT ended up purchasing an extra Adobe licence for him.
As for choice of reader, you are correct. But what if the reader does what Libre Office and TextMaker did to my wife's Word document? Adobe had an excellent idea: portable Postscript files that could be read anywhere. Just a pity about the implementation...
Re: Curious to know
"It is clean, very efficient and fully compatible with everything."Not quite. TextMaker turned Mrs Git's 2 page doc into a 4 page doc. A slight improvement on Libre Office turning it into a 6 page doc. The problem is the snaking columns after the page break on the first page are shortened and spread over two pages. There doesn't appear to be any way to quickly* change this. Even if there was, there'd then be the need to test whether the TextMaker doc is correctly formatted when subsequently opened in Word.†
I do not for one instant mean this comment to suggest that TextMaker is particularly deficient. Compatibility between word processors has always been a problem. It does however lack the Australian English Dictionary and doesn't support automatic adding of misspellings to AutoCorrect. Libre Office is better in this regard.
* Doesn't mean there isn't one; just that I can't be arsed. See next footnote.
† This is the kind of document I create with InDesign, or CorelDRAW! and export as PDF. Much quicker than faffing with a word processor when you would rather play at being Alexander conquering Ghandi and Pedro II.
"OpenOffice and LibreOffice are designed to be able to act as a direct Word replacement in most circumstances."With the emphasis on most. For 18 months I used Linux Mint as my main OS and Libre Office for writing. It's a great tool for that, much better than the version of Word that came with Office 2013. But...
Mrs Git had a formatting problem with a two page document she wanted to circulate. Opening it in Libre Office it was a six page document with lots of blank space. I fired up Word and fixed the problem for Mrs Git. The solution for circulating "complex" documents is usually Adobe Reader and that's a security nightmare too.
Re: Curious to know
"Well, you see, Windows, can't open .doc files. So if you leave your windows install in a state where you never install office.... (and outside of corporates, who buys and uses office?"You're obviously not a Windows user then. Or perhaps you never thought to try double-clicking a .doc or .docx file. By default, Windows installs include an application called Wordpad that can open and save as these files. There are limitations of course, or there would be no incentive to purchase Word.
I'm not a corporate, I'm an old age pensioner and I use Office 2010 on a daily basis. I purchased it. I also purchased Office 2013, but it's shit so I sold it on fleabay. I've never managed to install a pirate, though I have in the past used Avast! antivirus.
Re: Curious to know
"How do you patch a Windows system so that it's safe to click on a .doc file, and how do you open it without clicking on it."At a commandline prompt: "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\Winword.exe" c:\filename1.doc c:\filename2.doc...
The /m switch prevents Word from running any AutoExec macros.
"Perhaps it hasn't occurred to you, that one of purposes of reducing the allocation of road space to car drivers is to encourage said drivers to switch to cycling..."Indeed it has and it remains the number one reason for the popularity of the idea. Unfortunately, there are flies in the ointment.
Much of Hobart is steep and hilly. Very picturesque, and in places quite thrilling to ride into the city. The trip back home in the evening would be long and slow. That was certainly the case when I walked to and from back in the early 1970s. The walk home was three times as long as the walk to work.
Then there's Hobart's rather excellent public transport system. For example, for busy links such as the University and City, there are buses every 20 minutes during the day. And there's not just one link, there are two; one from each end of the campus.
The third problem is the weather. There's a saying in Tasmania that if you don't like the weather, you just have to wait five minutes. There are few other places in Australia that experience such rapid changes and high winds. Tasmania's latitude is known to seafarers as the Roaring Forties for good reason.
Melbourne has seen, I believe, an increase in bike commuting to a level of 25%. But Melbourne is flat. Expecting similar in a district with quite different terrain and weather patterns is merely wishful thinking.
FWIW The Gitling cycles to and from work, but he's close and there's no slope to overcome. Few Hobartians are so lucky.
Re: Repair != Green
"Recycling glass bottles, however, is sheer environmental vandalism. But *ask a real engineer* which it is. Don't listen to pop stars and pressure groups."Or academics with no experience of the real world! Have an upvote and -------------------------->
Re: Aw, memories...
"I remember NT 4 as being very reliable and so fast and snappy. It was lovely....It was indeed. Well and truly cured my MacEnvy at the time. Journalling file system, virtual memory...
Alas, I still needed to have 98 installed, for NTL internet, USB support,"
I recall having an external cartridge hdd back in the day and that had a scsi to USB converter. The scsi card in my PC was incompatible. Maybe the manufacturer provided a driver; I can't recall. I do remember my colleague back in those days fixing some Dell machines that ran NT4 and had USB support.
Re: Windows 10 is currently getting on my nerves
"10 locks up a few times a day, something to do with NTDLL.DLL"Sounds like bit-rot. Time for Yet Another Reinstall, or restore a saved disk image...
Re: Does it still have 2D FLATSO, SPYWARE, ADWARE ???
"bombastic_bob, why do you keep saying things?"He's winding you up. Quite successfully it would seem :-)
Funny thing is I've found myself upvoting bob a few times lately. Felt slightly strange doing so...
Re: What about auto-updates?
"Isn't that a vicarious experience?"Friend who was an English teacher at a secondary school reported having a very bad day with a very bored and listless class. "Haven't any of you had a vicarious experience with a novel?" he asked. Girl at the back said: "No. But I once had a very novel experience with the vicar!"
Re: What about auto-updates?
"An extra twenty seconds per month, is less than I spend making tea per day.The Gitling gave his mother a Le Novo X1 Carbon Wednesday and a few hours ago I started setting it up for her. Decided to stick with w10 Pro since the only spare w7 licence is 32 bit Home. The Gitling had already installed Classic Shell so installed Office 2010. W10 decided to update itself immediately the Office install finished and the machine hanged. Restarting, it took ~10 minutes, rather more than 20 seconds to finish the update.
Am I just being very forgiving, or does everyone else have much worse problems?"
Seems like a nice machine. If it was mine it would definitely be freshly Minted.
Re: Speaking of recipes...
"I'm betting its a hybrid of the Hot Hungarian Wax"I'm not familiar with that variety, but Sonja's chillies are Habanero shaped and waxy. I grow Jalapeño because I like the flavour a lot. If I need more heat I use commercial dried and ground Cayenne. The shop I purchase from grinds its own spices so it's always fresh.
Recently deceased friend of mine grew Carolina Reaper and a number of other extra hot selections. I tend to go easy on the heat in dishes and let those who want the extra oomph add it at table.
Give my regards to Craig. I still have his seed catalogue from back in ~1984 somewhere. Probably the only one he ever sent to Tasmania :-)