* Posts by dan1980

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$10,000 Ethernet cable promises BONKERS MP3 audio experience

dan1980

Woah dude - chill. (Or not, that's cool, too.)

I never said that my players didn't have buffers - in fact I specifically said (in caps, no less) that players do have buffers. Wherever did you get the idea that I implied otherwise?

Packet loss, of the magnitude that might result in drop-outs will be due (again, as specifically said) to a damaged cable.

I've seen it myself, with my own system at home. We had an old cable that had been kinked and crushed and when it was moved after a furniture reshuffle, we started getting dropouts as the players re-buffered. Replaced the cable and it was good again.

It was an old CAT5 cable that, knowing me, was probably liberated from some office move or something and thus already old when put in place. It was quite a long cable too - 20m or so - and was running along side the power extension cords. (Like I said - length and location.)

The players are also 100Mb, placing lossless FLACs and this was the cable joining the music server to the switch and, obviously, it happened most frequently when we were playing different music on different players. The time it happened most noticeably, I was streaming FM (from a USB radio connected to the server) which, so as not to tax the server, was in uncompressed WAV, and I was doing so while other music was playing in the lounge.

So yes, I can vouch for the fact that, even though players have buffers, a DAMAGED cable (which is what I did say) can result in enough packet loss to cause buffer starvation and thus result in pauses while the players rebuffer.

The point of my post - or at least that part of my post - was to say that you'll bloody well know when you current cable isn't cutting the mustard and it won't be because the music is lacking "weight" or "detail" or has too much "harshness" or the bass is "loose"; it will be because your music will loose all weight, detail, bass response and stereo imagining, though you will get a complete reduction in harshness and it will be a very 'black' background indeed.

dan1980

Mein Gott.

That is effectively taking out a loan to buy a CAT6 cable.

That is predatory. I mean - you are selling something that does nothing to someone without the money to actually pay for it.

dan1980

The idea of more expensive digital cables making an audible difference (beyond fixing cut-outs) seems to be directly based on the idea that more expensive analog cables make an audible difference.

Now, I don't think analog cables can actually change the sound either (provided they are suitable gauge) but whatever misappropriated and misunderstood scientific concepts are used by the believing audiophiles to explain these magic improvements (in analog cables) are, even if 100% accurate in that case, utterly inapplicable to the digital realm.

As I said in the similar article on supposed audible improvements from hard drive swaps, the source is the media player, which means that everything backwards of that is the media. This puts these cable swaps in their correct perspective as it makes then on par with CD 'tweaks' like re-recording your commercial CDs onto particular CD-Rs, bevelling the edges and then colouring them in.

The 'source', being the CD player or the media player, buffers the data and manages error correction so anything designed to reduce the errors ("jitter" caused by improperly scattered light or whatever) is irrelevant unless the player is not handling it properly, in which case your problem is a poor-quality or faulty player.

And, again, all such errors present as drops.

dan1980

What's interesting is that AudioQuest's site doesn't appear to list any benefits of using this cable at all.

Amusingly, they even seem to admit that the cable is pointless:

For audio applications and protocols, audio over Ethernet offers the virtues of high-speed, low time delay (latency), significant distance capability (328 feet without an active booster or repeater), and extremely low-jitter, bit-perfect communication. Who wouldn’t want all of these things?

So what improvements to that existing winning package does this cable provide?

What I find most interesting about any 'improvements' for digital audio streams is that they completely ignore the fact that the music players BUFFER the data! Jitter and latency are low, sure, but more than that - they are IRRELEVANT!

To be clear, it is entirely possible for the effects of a sub-standard Ethernet cable to be audible in digital music applications and everyone is capable of identifying this - no need for blind tests or careful selection of the music and critical listening. When your cable is borked, you will get drop-outs as the buffer on your music player empties and has to pause for a moment while it is refilled with new data.

If this happens, the reason is packet loss - probably due to a damaged cable - and this will be accentuated by the length and location (e.g. running parallel with power in a bundle). It is fully possible that a better quality cable will rectify the problem, but really, it just needs to confirm to the published specifications - that's the whole purpose of having different, standard category cables.

For most home uses, bog-standard CAT5 UTP will suffice for this. Note that I said CAT5, not CAT5e. Use 'e', of course, but my point is that for small runs inside a house between a NAS and a player, which are likely in the same room, regular CAT5 will be plenty good enough.

If you are getting packet loss due to interference then you can use SFTP/SSTP instead. This is shielded not only on the cable but for each pair as well, which will pretty much eliminate any cross-talk problems along with general interference.

This can be had for cheap - $15 (AUD) for a 2m cable, up to $35 for a 20m.

Spent the weekend watching Game of Thrones? You're a FAT LONELY SADDO

dan1980

Re: @ dan1980 (was:The credentials of the authors of the paper ...)

I judge Jake as an individual who has his own life and his own pursuits. Personally, I think raising animals and growing vegetables sounds pretty boring but Jake seems to like it and that's fine.

He presumably thinks that watching a whole season of some TV show or other on a Saturday is a waste of good turkey-feeding time or ham curing or whatever he would otherwise do.

Again, if that was me I would be a bit bored - I have very little interest in raising animals and, as a vegetarian, even less interest in slaughtering, slicing and serving them. But I don't press that judgement onto everyone else.

dan1980

Re: @ dan1980 (was:The credentials of the authors of the paper ...)

@jake

The truly great thing is that I don't need to convince either of us. You're welcome to judge people as "sad" based on blanket criteria without knowing anything further about them, or simply because they enjoy different things than you do.

Personally, I choose not to do that : )

dan1980

Re: Could you perhaps tone down your laddish editorial? This isn't RALPH

@Wombling_Free

While I fully appreciate the sentiments, I feel they have been misdirected because it sounds like you have misunderstood the tone of the article. I believe that Lewis' rather blunt synopsis of the paper was his way of ridiculing it.

I could be wrong, of course, but given he is generally discounting the paper, it seems that that was his purpose in using that language.

dan1980

Re: The credentials of the authors of the paper ...

@jake

"However, hibernating in front of your TV for a weekend is just plain sad."

Maybe you binge watch BECAUSE you have a busy social and/or family life, with weekend sports for yourself or the kids and meeting friends for drinks and going to the gym at lunch so you can study after work, though not on 'date night', where you and the partner make an effort to go out, having dropped the kid(s) off at your parents.

Perhaps when the stars align and you've got a free weekend - when you've gotten ahead of your assignments and footy's finished for the year and you were out at a wedding the previous weekend so you've caught up with a lot of your friends and you've recently returned from a short stay interstate (couldn't really spare the time for a full OS trip) so not super-keen to spend too much money - perhaps then you decide that you're just going to kick back with your partner and run through a season or two of something you've been meaning to watch but haven't had the time.

Or maybe everyone else has been able to watch 'Breaking Bad' or any other popular show as it was happening but your busy life meant there were always more important things to do. So you buy the box set and get your watching in when you can but watching the episodes individually can be unfulfilling for any number of reasons. Perhaps you might only get to watch one every other week or sporadically, meaning you can't always remember what happens and it's difficult to keep the thread. Or maybe you just have a poor memory.

Or perhaps you have missed season one and season two is about to start on TV and so you need to catch up quickly so you can watch it in 'real time' and so join in the discussions with your friends or colleagues - which is quite the normal part of a social life.

Or sometimes it's just nice to put the world aside for a weekend and veg-out and this is very much a part of a normal, healthy life - we all need 'down time', where there aren't any pressing concerns we have to deal with and the most complicated decision is whether to get changed so we aren't seen in our tracksuit pants by the pizza delivery person.

A box-set marathon is a great way to do this because for a period of time you can be relatively passive and it doesn't ask too much of you. You don't have to remember much and you don't have to make any decisions and yes, you get to 'escape' for a short while and just put the real world on pause for a day or two.

That 'benefit' is one that can become addictive for people, to be sure, and if you spend all your weekends in this fashion then no, it's probably not healthy and probably does signal that you are possibly depressed or otherwise having difficulty dealing with life.

The same can be said for online gaming, where you can immerse yourself in an alternate world where the normal pressures of life are absent. It's a perfectly valid and normal past time but can signal problems if that is all you do.

In short, if you are habitually doing something that is used to forget the problems of the real world then it's entirely possible that this may signify that you have more problems to forget or have a harder time dealing with them than others. BUT, this doesn't mean that the behaviour cannot be part of a totally normal and healthy (physically and emotionally) lifestyle.

Avoiding data retention will be as easy as eating a burger

dan1980

Re: sorry to be thick

The government is saying they just record the location you visit.

This is correct (so far as I know) but their analogy of envelopes is an entirely false one when applied to accessing web pages on the Internet.

To illustrate, I have used the idea of a library in the past. A library has an address - you can go to that address and be recorded as going to that address, but that doesn't tell anyone which books you read while inside.

This situation works well with the 'envelope' analogy.

The Internet, however, does not function quite like this because, while one might go to a site and then browse to a sub-page, each of those sub-pages (generally) has a publicly-accessible address. That would be like each and ever book in the library being in its own separate mini-library with a unique street address.

Knowledge of the address you went to, in that situation obviously identifies which specific book you were reading.

It's pretty ridiculous to say that I only know that name of the book you were reading but not the actually words - all I'd have to do is look at the same book (webpage) and I know the content you viewed.

dan1980

Re: ???

@Mark 85

Well that's the point of all the opposition from anyone with an ounce of technical knowledge - circumventing this is utterly elementary. The only way to catch that stuff is to enact laws that REQUIRE providers of free wireless internet access to uniquely identify people and log activity. Oh, and make VPNs illegal, which is ridiculous.

Senator Ludlum pushed the copyright enforcement angle in his questions as it seems that he sees this as one of the big reasons this is being done, or at least something that will come from it:

Ms Harmer: It remains the case that telecommunications data that is stored by communications providers is amenable to a range of lawful process . . . Those are not being changed through this process.

Sen Ludlum: So it is more the volume of material that would be accessible. . . . For example, US rights holders trying to track down and prosecute people for file sharing could access this material under existing processes; it is just that there would be a lot more material there to look for.

Ms Harmer: I do not know that I can answer that in detail in terms of a US entity seeking access to Australian information et cetera. But, because the access arrangements are not being changed, any access that is available at present in accordance with normal lawful process will continue to be available in respect of retained data.

Sen Ludlum: But what will exist that does not exist at the present time is a two-year record of download volumes, for example.

Ms Harmer: Yes, what will exist will be a range of data that is not necessarily retained for that same period at the moment. So some data which is retained for a brief period will now be retained for longer.

Sen Ludlum: That is right, which would be quite useful if you were a rights holder trying to find out who is downloading your stuff.

Totally for witches terrorists and pedophiles, though.

dan1980

What we need is the following question:

"If I was a terrorist using a free wireless network at a cafe to communicate with other known terrorists via e-mail, would the law enforcement be able to identify that person from the data that will be collected by this regime?"

It needs to be asked of the A-G, not his underlings1 and it needs to be repeated until it is answered, with every attempt to ramble off or devolve into generalities cut off.

As people who are IT-literate, it's can be hard to put ourselves in the place of someone who isn't but I can pretty much assure you that that video will largely be impenetrable for the vast majority of non-technical people.

I like Sen Ludlam but at no point in that particular line of questioning did he pin Ms Harmer down and make her answer the direct question he was making a mess of asking, which would appear to be the one I have posed above - can you avoid detection by using a public wifi network?

There actually were some more interesting parts to that inquiry, if you go over the transcript (PDF) and much of what he asked Ms Harmer in the video followed on directly from the testimony provided by Jon Lawrence from EFA (page 17/22 of the PDF)

There is a great little exchange between Ludlum and another member of the department, Ms Katherine Jones2, who answers one of the questions that Ms Harmer evidently was having trouble finding a suitably vague response to:

Ms Jones: Obviously, the intent of the bill is focused on people engaging in criminal activity.

Sen Ludlum: No, it is not; it is rolled across the entire Australian population. That is why people are so pissed off about it. It is not targeted or discriminate at all; it is directed at everybody. My six-year-old nephew uses telecommunications services.

Gold.

He then goes on (pp 58-59/62-63 of the PDF) to question, specifically, about about people using overseas services like g-mail and how that can be used to circumvent collection that would happen if one was using a local provider (such as iiNet) instead.

Sen Ludlum: So, if my email account is an [@]iiNet.net.au address it will be within the scope, and if my email address is an @Gmail.com it will be out of scope? So all I need to do to avoid mandatory data retention is just to take a webmail service.

Ms Harmer: I do not know that it is quite as simple as that, for the reasons that I set out previously in relation to the provision of telecommunications services.

Sen Ludlum: Why is it more complex than that? If I use a cloud-hosting provider or Gchat or something like that, I will not be caught. If I use an iiNet or an internode address I will be caught. If it is more complex, please explain how it is more complex.

Followed by:

Sen Ludlum: Are you trying to drive people away from Australian service providers?

Ms Harmer: I think we have articulated the intent of the bill, and the government has articulated the intent of the bill and its coverage.

Sen Ludlum: Is it an unintended consequence that you will be driving people away from Australian service providers?

Ms Jones: No.

Sen Ludlum: It is intended?

1 - Having a look, it appears that Ms Harmer is "Acting First Assistant Secretary, National Security Law and Policy Division, Attorney-General's Department". I am not sure exactly what her role is but I suspect it is to shield old Baldy McJowls from having to personally look "discomfort[ed]".

2 - "Deputy Secretary, National Security and Criminal Justice Group, Attorney-General's Department".

Tough at the top: IBM CEO Ginni Rometty troughs $10 MEELLION+

dan1980

Re: That picture

It's not that Rometty is old (she's not - she's only 56), it's that she frequently appears to have another person's face stapled on.

Sony Pictures claims 'Nork mega-hack attack' cost it just $15 million

dan1980

It should cost WAY more than $15m.

With some 47,000 unique social security numbers slurped, that is at least 47,000 who have had at least some details slurped.

$15m is $320 for each of those people. So yeah, $15m is getting off rather lightly, if it is indeed even close to accurate.

'Revenge p0rn' kingpin Kevin Bollaert faces 20 years in jail

dan1980

Re: People CAN change their minds.

Mate, I think we have misunderstood each other.

The line I am taking is that any law to is passed to try to crack down on this behaviour must acknowledge the various circumstances that people might find themselves in so that the law does not unfairly target someone who hasn't done anything wrong.

In doing so, I am not referencing this specific case but potential cases that may come up in the future and might end up seeing someone found guilty because the laws are too broad when in fact that person is innocent.

The example I have given is one such situation - a (e.g.) husband legitimately posting naked photos of his (then) wife to a site with her consent and then later undergoing a very nasty divorce. In the process, the ex-wife tries to use an 'anti-revenge porn' law to threaten or prosecute her ex-husband by claiming that he had uploaded the photos without her consent.

As they were married and trusted each other at the time, it's unlikely that there was any formal, signed consent and so the husband may find himself in a very unhappy position of having to try and prove that it was there was consent and it's something they did together as a couple.

One concern is that with such emotional issues a such loaded terms as 'revenge porn', there is a real risk of doing harm in the pursuit of good - especially when politicians see an easy way to boost popularity by "cracking down" and "getting tough" by introducing "zero tolerance" laws.

In a way, one can see a potential parallel in domestic violence laws which, depending on the state, may involve mandatory arrests, mandatory charges and mandatory prosecution - sometimes even with explicit 'no drop' laws that require DAs to continue to prosecute charges regardless of the wishes of the victim. We have such a law in the Northern Territory here in Australia.

This hard-line is very much a response to real domestic violence and an attempt to drastically reduce the incidence but it also ends up with people being unfairly punished or at least taken through the wringer.

I am not against specific legislation targeting these issues but any new laws need to be scutinised to make sure they don't end up ruining the lives of people who have acted in good faith and without malice.

dan1980

It all depends on how the sentence is broken down.

For simply hosting the site, I think 20 years is far too much. If he obtained and posted images himself, that's something else. The blackmail/extortion is where the real crime is for me and, depending on the extent, 20 years might be about right.

dan1980

Re: People CAN change their minds.

@Mr.Mischief

"If she changes her mind and says "no", what do you do? Respect her wishes or go according to the prior agreement without her consent? . . . Both rape and publicly shaming are both violations."

Absolutely, and the question is always one of whether there was consent at the time and this was my point. If I ask my partner whether we should take some 'sexy' photos to upload to a site that does that kind of thing, then it's either yes or no. If yes and I take the photos and upload them then, as we have agreed, then that is all good.

My point is that at some point in the future - after we have split, my ex might regret posting the photos and want them taken down. Let's say I still have an active login to the site and can remove them or request them to be removed. Great.

BUT, what is my ex decides to go to the police and claim that I never had permission in the first place? With these laws, it's not just a matter of taking things down as I would then be accused of a serious crime and be facing jail. Who does the burden of proof fall on? You might say that it is up to me to prove that I have permission but seeing as this is crime - with serious penalties - shouldn't I be innocent until proven guilty?

So let's say I have to provide proof I have permission - what is suitable? Would I have had to make sure I get written, signed permission? Witnessed? Stating exactly which photos? What sites?

And if so, what if someone downloads the photos from the agreed site and then posts them elsewhere and my ex insists I did it and am refusing to take the photos down or did so with malicious intent?

'Revenge porn' is a most upsetting thing and something I am repulsed by but we must ensure that in the zeal to punish these lowlifes, we don't automatically assume guilt whenever naked photos are posted online and someone claims they fall under this category.

Without overly wanting to go back to the parallel you drew with rape, the situation I am describing would be equivalent to someone having consensual sex and then, after the fact, claiming rape - perhaps after the accused was mean or rude or rejected a further relationship.

When there are particularly acrimonious splits, people can do some pretty nasty things to their exes, including lying to police and magistrates in order to try and get their ex in serious trouble.

No such situation exists here of course - this guy is plain scum and there is no defence it is possible to mount with any real believability. If he is acquitted, it will be because what he did wasn't technically wrong, not because he didn't do it.

dan1980

Re: He's getting off too easy

@Mr.Mischief

"Bullies have driven people to suicide with less."

True, but they don't get 20 years either.

dan1980

@FreemonSandlewould

You are correct - freedom of speech is important. (Regardless of the medium.)

But your argument is flawed. You get safe harbour if you are providing a largely agnostic service where you neither control nor unduly moderate or curate the content. Dropbox, for example, have safe harbour protections because to them it's just bytes. Drop box is not a service for storing employment contracts or holiday photos or music files or drafts of your new novel or PC backup files or zips containing your nostalgic collection of Commander Keen games.

This site being run was expressly and explicitly for posting these types of images. They were not, in any reasonable way, agnostic to the content.

FURTHER, the person operating the site was financially benefiting from the specific nature of the content, having created a system that RELIED on the content being precisely what it was to earn (extort) money.

Freedom of speech and expression are MASSIVELY important and must be carefully guarded but so must the privacy of individuals and it is fully possible to create laws that adequately protect the latter without unduly endangering the former.

Freedom of speech and expression are not absolute - you can't slander someone publicly and claim to be protected and you can't lie naked on a park bench outside a kindergarten and claim a right to express yourself. There are limits and this is one.

dan1980

First thing - I am just sickened by this behaviour. I really shouldn't be surprised but I am a bit shocked at just how sociopathic some people can be. I felt the same when the 'celebrity photo hacking' exploded.

BUT, I am also very concerned about laws that are rushed through based on some issue that has caught the media's eye and the public's attention. Either deliberately (what a great opportunity!) or just through haste, such laws are at risk of being far too general and having consequences outside the professed purpose.

In this case, if it's blackmail and/or extortion then that's that - no new law needed. Blackmail & extortion are almost by definition, something involving sensitive and embarrassing/damaging information or media. It is a serious crime - already.

The correct way to approach this is to make a special definition of the content in question and make posting it illegal without express permission, as is the idea of several states and countries. HOWEVER, the law must be really, really specific and must acknowledge the realities of how some people CHOOSE to behave on line.

By that I mean that there are people who post photos of themselves naked online, to sites setup for that explicit purpose. Others have their partners post that content online and manage that process*. Often our laws are written by people who are out of touch with the activities and practices of the public, which is unsurprising considering they are generally upper-class, wealthy, white males in their 40s, 50s and 60s.

To some of these people, the very idea of pornography alone is disgusting and they would ban it if they could. They are often, at least publicly, prudes.

Let's take an example. What if a woman has her husband take naked photos of her and post them online to a site, for the express purpose of showing them to strangers. It's not something I would do or would be happy with my partner doing but I don't feel it's in any way weird or reprobate or sick or perverse - if people want to do that and it make them happy then go nuts.

So, let's say that happens and someone visiting the site downloads the photos and later, some years later, perhaps, posts them to some other site.

What is that person's crime? I would argue that it is simply copyright violation and so the original copyright owner would have the ability to request a takedown.

My point is simply that any law must be very carefully worded to target the specific issue - people posting intimate, private photos of people without their permission. I fear that in their zeal to look tough responding to a currently visible but rather small (though still repulsive) issue, our politicians will rush through laws that extend far wider than necessary.

We all know that any opposition to the wording and scope of laws aimed (at least ostensibly) at combat pedophiles is shouted down as being morally outrageous - how can one oppose a law that would protect children?! In all these cases, there are way to achieve the goals without doing more harm than good - we just need politicians with clear enough heads to ensure that's what we get.

* - We must also acknowledge that people change their mind and someone complaining about photos of them NOW might have requested it or agreed to it at the time. Similarly, given that the whole concept is revenge, we are saying that someone is posting pictures of their ex specifically to hurt them. Taking that, it is also possible that someone who previously agreed to have naked photos taken and posted online might, after a bad breakup, claim that they didn't originally agree and give permission, thus threatening jail-time and future relationship problems for the partner who - completely legally and with permission - posted the photos originally. I have a friend who went through a VERY bad divorce and his ex-wife made the most horrendous claims against him in an attempt to ruin his life as much as possible. Hitting their son, forcing her to have sex, cheating on her - none of it true. We must make sure we don't automatically assume guilt.

hive mind informs climate change believers and sceptics

dan1980

Re: Small self selecting sample..

One of the big problems is when people start accusing others of having an agenda - the 'deniers' are just corporate shills looking to avoid or repeal legislation that might eat into big-business profits and prevent growth, while the 'believers' are part of some leftist-elitist bully mob forcing some doctrinal belief on everyone else or after grant money or, as with the deniers, corporate shills, but for the 'green' industries that stand to gain from regulations and legislation.

Once you do that, you have immediately moved from debating truth or science to an attempt to 'poison the well' - your opponents are selfish people pursuing selfish ends and so you can't trust anything they say.

Both sides do it and, the sad fact is that both sides have a point and some of those who heavily push one way or the other are indeed in it for the money and do distort the facts and discount good evidence or truss up bad to make their point.

But, just because some greedy, unscrupulous dicks are willing to discount positive results, doesn't mean that all discounted results are actually good results that have been unjustly discounted and just because some other greedy, unscrupulous dicks are willing to inflate or misrepresent neutral or negative results doesn't mean that all positive results are actually invalid.

dan1980

Re: Scientists, eh!

@AC

"I'm quite capable of changing my mind in the climate change debate should a suitable argument be presented."

I find that statement to be rather unlikely.

If you believe that humans are a relevant contributing factor in the climate; that our activity can and does have an effect, then you already believe that the evidence is overwhelming - that 'AGW' is a suitably well-established fact.

If, on the other hand, you believe that either the climate is not changing or, that if it is, humans are not a relevant contributing factor, then you do not accept the evidence that has already been presented or do not believe that evidence even has been presented at all.

In some ways, it's similar to the evolution-vs-creation debate. I don't mean to imply that those who deny that humans are a cause of climate change are necessarily fundamentalist Christians (because that is simply not true*), but often the argument sounds the same, with those who believe it is true saying "the evidence is in and it's overwhelming!" while the other side says "show me the evidence!".

Its no wonder the public is so intractable and so whichever side you are on, my cowardly friend, as you say you will change your mind (rather than make it up) I can't see that that is all that likely - you either believe the evidence is overwhelming and so it would take a lot to get you to discount it or you don't trust/accept the evidence that has been so far claimed, in which case more evidence you don't accept is not going to do anything.

And this is the problem - those who believe it is real cry that the deniers side is blindly ignoring good evidence, while those who do not believe it is real cry that the believers are blindly accepting bad evidence.

* - Although evangelical Christians are least likely to believe in AGW, it is also correlated with age, education, and where you live, with the most likely to reject AGW being a 65+ evangelical Christian living in the rural south. Ref & ref.

Abuse of health data deserves JAIL, thunders ethics body

dan1980

Damn right it does.

"Abuse of health data deserves JAIL, thunders ethics body."

Yes.

Given the recent debates and promises of laws to combat 'revenge porn', I think that proposed laws could well cover this as well.

Why not? After all, your personal health information is a very private matter (for most people) and release of that is not only a gross breach of trust, it can cause much embarrassment and harm and problems at work and with family should the information get out.

I see a direct parallel - information/details about you that are very private and not meant for dissemination beyond a very select few is getting abused and distributed outside of that agreed circle without your permission. Sometimes, it seems, for financial gain.

BURIED: Oz gov won't reveal telcos' guess at data retention costs

dan1980

"Australian federal government data retention plans remain in disarray . . ."

If only that meant that it wasn't going to be passed.

The point is that the Coalition want to pass it and Labor want to pass it. They don't need to listen to the people or experts or reason. They can pass it and they will pass it and they will continue to simply brush off any criticisms meet calls for clarification with silence of misinformation.

Trans-Pacific trade treaty close to signoff says USA

dan1980

Re: Crazy 'Merkin here

@Tom 13

"Because I am in fact a free trade advocate. Less red tape and lower import taxes improves everybody's lot."

First thing: 'red tape' is a pretty loaded term. Calling something 'red tape' is saying that the regulations or procedures in question are redundant or unnecessary and thus should be removed. "Cutting the red tape" and all that.

So yes, removing 'red tape' is generally a good thing. The problem comes in differentiating between what should actually be considered 'red tape' and what is actually important. And just because something becomes a burden to businesses or reduces their potential profitability or increases prices, that does not mean that it is self-evidently 'red tape'.

For example, building code regulations certainly raise the price of construction but they exist to ensure that buildings meet certain standards that, when applied across a large area (local or state or nation-wide) increase safety and protect customers from potentially costly issues. Some might see some of these regulations as unnecessary and as adding to costs without providing appreciable benefits but, with the origin of (modern) building regulations being the Great Fire of London in the 17th century, the impetus is becomes clear.

Regulations generally come from experience where bad practices - either careless or unscrupulous - have had detrimental consequences for the public. For example, in Australia, the previous government, which was in power during the collapses of several financial advisory and investment firms, created some new regulations for that sector, focusing on increased reporting and more control over commissions.

The current government views those regulations as 'red tape' and wants to scrap them.

Likewise they want to scrap regulations aroudn charities, which are there to ensure that those companies running as charities are actually proper charities. Apparently the fact that adhering to this regulation costs the charities money makes it, ipso facto, red tape.

On the other hand, the government wants to remove the regulations around movie classification that requires movies tgo through classification whenever they are released on different format. So, a movie released on DVD and can be re-released on Blu-ray without having to be reclassified.

That is most certainly 'red tape' as it costs money and doesn't provide any real benefit for consumers.

Some things just ARE red tape and these are usually regulations that used to serve a purpose but have since been rendered irrelevant or redundant and cost time and money yet add little or nothing by way of benefit or protection.

Most other things bandied about as 'red tape' are classified based on ideological biases. If you are of the more strongly capitalist, free-market bent, then you are more likely to view regulations as unnecessary burdens on businesses and believe that their removal will benefit everyone, allowing businesses to save money while providing more and better choices for the consumer as well as driving down prices.

But this is not a purely objective matter because it often depends on what outcomes one views as more important.

If you are someone who is very pro-enterprise and simultaneously does not believe that climate change is real or that humans activity is a contributing factor, then you are likely to view environmental regulations - such as those enforcing energy efficient electronics or buildings or cars - as 'red tape' because you either don't believe there is a benefit or believe the benefit is small so the cost appears unbalanced.

One big element of the TPP appears to be around food exports/imports and much of the discontent is where local regulations of food safety are concerned. Some leaked parts of the agreement have the effect of limiting a country or state's ability to impose health standard on food brought in. In Australia we have strict regulations concerning (e.g.) poultry, to prevent any spread of disease. The US wants to see these removed to allow US corporations to sell more chicken to Australia.

Likewise regulations around mandatory labelling of food products, including GMO foods. Personally, I have little to no problem with GMO but it is not unreasonable to require foods to be labelled so people can make their own decisions. These requirements are also in the crosshairs.

These things are not so much barriers to trade as insurances that the trade that does occur will be to the standard that the country setting the rules expects.

dan1980

Re: Crazy 'Merkin here

This line shows exactly what the problem is with this whole mess.

What it says is that the US wanted to make it so that Japan would be forced to allow the import of goods regardless of if they met the Japanese standards or not.

This is the core of these agreements - you must adopt US rules.

The fact that the US views it as a concession to allow Japan to require US goods to meet the same standards as local goods is all you need to know. Yes, these agreements are always done like this, but that's the bloody problem!

The US sees local regulations as "trade barriers", with the associated logic that trade is, ipso facto, good and therefore any barriers are bad and should be removed.

The problem is that nations put those regulations in place - often with much internal debate and discussion and compromise - to protect their citizens and/or their natural environment. They are the result of the legal, usually democratic, processes of a sovereign nation, enacted for the good of that nation (idealism perhaps . . .)

Labour laws, environmental regulations and safety standards are all 'barriers to trade' and so must be abolished.

The US values profit over all else and so has built a local system around that. As a sovereign nation, that's their choice. Other sovereign nations, however, may decide that that approach is not right for them and develop a system that tempers the greed for profit with the need to provide a good quality of life for the people.

These 'partnerships' and 'agreements' aim to get those countries to disregard their own people in favour of the US 'profit-first' ideology.

dan1980

I hold no hope for this or anything else. It will pass. Not only will it pass, the worst parts of it will pass either unaltered or intensified and we will end up worse off in nearly every possible way.

We will be more vulnerable to powerful US corporations, both as a nation and as individuals; we will end up paying more for medication - exactly as we did after the US-AUS FTA was signed during the Howard era; our consumer protection laws will be neutered where they conflict with US profits and we will slide ever further towards preferencing unfettered corporate greed over the rights of consumers, adopting much that is so wrong with the US and their belief that profit is the ultimate good, but without gaining any of the freedoms enshrined in their constitution, which we lack here.

In short, any law or right that gets in the way of US profits will be watered down and in doing this, we will surrender our sovereignty because what, after all, is that but the power to make your own laws without interference from other nations or the need to obey their dictums.

I just don't see how a prime minister has the right to do this. I mean that.

Uber Australia hiring lawyers, PR flaks

dan1980

"Uber's argument, to date, is that it gives consumers a choice in regulated industries that protect lazy incumbents. Those incumbents have been playing the regulatory game for years."

The incumbents have been playing the game, but the important part is that it's the government that makes the rules, not the taxi companies.

Uber (and their supporters) try to make out that the taxi companies are creating the monopoly, in the same way that, say, Microsoft have, and they are there to break that monopoly and 'shake things up' and thereby force the incumbents to adapt and change.

The problem with this comparison is that the monopoly is the government - they created the system and the taxi drivers are, essentially, franchisees. And, just like any franchise, there is a buy-in cost (the 'license'), certain requirements (knowledge tests, training courses), and performance agreements that franchisees (drivers) must meet.

Uber are operating outside that system and so do not have to meet those same requirements. The simple fact that a random person working for UberX does need to pay the government $300,000 for a license is a huge difference in itself. For most owner-operators (85% of licenses in Sydney) that means having to take out a loan. Their earnings have to cover the interest and repayments on that license as well as everything else. And the cars are dedicated too - most owners will have a second, family car that they use for personal driving and so they are maintaining and insuring two vehicles.

The simple fact is that Uber are able to offer different and cheaper services simply because they aren't following the law. No amount of PR can change that so what they are trying to do is make out as if they are fighting the corrupt, monopolistic taxi companies and we all love to hate them.

'Revenge porn' bully told not to post people's nude pics online. That's it. That's his punishment

dan1980

@AC

"I suspect that the chap in question's problems are far from over. As a matter of fact, I hope so."

To a certain extent, I agree.

But, let's take the other side. We usually imagine ourselves either as victims or relatives of victims - our sisters or partners, etc... But what of the accused? Let's take his (we'll stereotype) side for a moment.

What if our photographer's partner was into a little exhibitionism?

Let;s imagine a scenario where the Husband takes 100% consensual photos of his wife/girlfriend for the express purpose of posting them online for other people to comment on. It is done either with the knowledge of or, more likely, at the request of, the subject of the photo.

What happens when the couple break up and the subject of the photo clams copyright and or 'do not pass go' trousers.?

dan1980

@big_D

Thanks mate - I appreciate the education! It's interesting how different countries deal with this. It's very much a question of how you manage to conflicting goals of freedom of expression and protection of privacy without setting the sword swinging above everyone's heads whenever they post a photo on their facebook page and where in that complication and largely untested ground one decides to sit.

To specifics - what about posting photos of your kids? Not to want to take this conversation into darker territory, but isn't the idea of a child's inability to provide proper, legally-valid consent the entire basis of paedophelia and child pornography laws?

By that logic, however, minors can't give permission, legally, so posting photos of your kids online should be instantly a breach no matter what.

Again - it's a quandary!

dan1980

@Jim 59

Exactly - 'buzzword' laws are there largely to answer the media who will print stories like: "Let's get rid of these vile trolls" or similar.

That are enacted to be seen to be doing something. And, because of that. they tend to be overly broad and vague - no real consultation between multiple parties - just a hasty law pushed through the parliament to make the next news cycle.

dan1980

"Does it matter if something is legal? Is that really the criterium to use? What about something being right or not?"

In short, yes, the legality matters.

The reason is that it matters is that right and wrong is not as clear cut as it sometimes seems and thus depends on the person making the decision. This is no way to build a fair and fixed system of justice that provides security and legislative fixity.

This is important because because the larger a society, the harder it is to work is when you base laws on imprecise terms like 'right' and 'wrong'. In a small village, this might be workable but not in a city or state of millions or a country of tens or hundreds of millions.

But equally one cannot judge humans justly by reading impersonal laws. Only humans, with human experiences and human emotions can adequately judge other humans.

So you have a problem - you need something solid and fixed that people can look to as a guide but also a human element to temper that. And so the law - in most modern countries - is an interesting amalgam of the two factors. This is the beauty of the 'lady justice' image - justice should be impartial so far as (say) wealth or race or colour or gender or political connection is concerned but it also must be human.

But that is me getting a bit off-topic; apologies.

To your point, you say that most people have developed an idea of what is wrong and what is right but and what is decent and what is indecent but history has shown us that this changes and so we must endeavour to always make our laws about the important principles and not ephemeral notions of what is 'acceptable' or not. Not to be too predictable, but it was at a time 'acceptable' to own slaves but not at all 'decent' (or legal) to be homosexual. Today, that is entirely opposite.

There is no segue there - just an very simple yet important example of why relying on a majoriy opinion of what is 'right' and 'wrong' is not the best wat forward. We tried that and it didn't work and we are still shaking off the remnants of the attitude. We must learn from that failed experiment, however, and make sure that the laws we enact from now on are not rooted in what the majority think (can you say "get to the back of the bus"?) but what rational and reasoned logic can create when tempered by human compassion.

Still, there are no perfect solutions and we will always be trying to balance between freedoms and protection. The important thing is to understand that balance is something that we have to work at and may never achieve. Instead, we must decide which is more important and when and where. We must think consequentially as well - do we are risk weakening our freedom of expression to stop this issue? Or must we view such cases as an undesirable but perhaps unavoidable consequence of being serious about our freedoms?

This is why I say that any specific laws that are or might be enacted to 'combat' (pollies loves that word) this must be very, very specific because we just can't (or at least shouldn't) risk losing those freedoms we have worked so hard for - even if we do so for a good cause.

With somethink like freedom of expression, it is exceptionally delicate because where there is one exception, that exception will be used as a precedent and people will say: "if X is enough to curtail this freedom, why isn'y Y enough too?"

This was part of my (long) point above - if nudity is to be an exception, why only that? What if I am embarrassed and harmed (professionally or emotionally) whn a picture of me rolling drunk is published? The point is that by making exceptions for things which the current law-makers consider "bad enough", you set a precedent so that any subsequent "bad enough" is good enough for a similar exception.

dan1980

@Big_D

And that's another question - are these things covered by existing laws?

If the behaviour is really that bad (and I believe it is) then surely there should be laws covering it. And if there are, then why make new, special laws?

I don't mean that to say that new laws aren't needed - I mean it as a genuine question: if this behaviour is already illegal under existing laws then what is the purpose of new laws covering the same situation?

To answer your question, in Australia, you only have the right to prevent the publishing of photos of you (whether online or otherwise) where you did not agree to the photo and can reasonably be said to have some expectation of privacy. If someone takes a photo of you walking down the street, they can publish that online without requiring any consent because there is no expectation of privacy in a public space.

Likewise, if you are at private location - say a bar or nightclub - and there is a photographer going around and you agree to have your photo taken (obvious posing is implicit consent) then, again, they can publish that.

I am not entirely sure what happens if someone publishes a photo of you that they shouldn't - I'm pretty sure that all that entails is the right to ask for the photo to be taken down. I don't think it's a crime to publish the photos - you would just get sued if, as the photographer, you refuse to take it down when asked to.

Which is all fine. The question is what happens if someone takes a naked photo of someone else - with their consent - and later publishes it? Let's assume that the subject has the right to ask for it to be taken down but beyond that, what? Let's say the photographer duly takes the photo down and does so promptly. Should here be a penalty or criminal conviction on top?

If so, on what grounds?

If you answer that the publishing of the photo was malicious and designed to cause harm and embarrassment, would the same apply if you took a photo of a friend who was exceptionally drunk and making a fool of himself and then you posted that online? It can be easily argued that this is cause for embarrassment and could be seen by (say) parents or in-laws or employers and thus may cause harm to the subject in that way.

Is that just as bad and just as deserving of punishment and/or criminal conviction?

If not then what criteria do you use to separate the one from the other? Is nudity inherently in some different class? If so, why? For some people, nudity is no problem at all - nothing to be ashamed of. For some people, being photographed or filmed heavily intoxicated would be far more embarrassing to them, personally and, depending on their circle, perhaps even far more detrimental. After all, pretty much all parents want their children to have sex because most want grand kids! Most, however, disapprove of their children getting riotously, uncontrollably, sickeningly, drunk and making idiots of themselves.

So how do you determine what gets treated as especially embarrassing or harmful such that the publishing of it is deemed malicious enough to warrant particular punishment where a less embarrassing photo would simple be taken down and that's it?

Given people are all different, how do we set down that which is especially embarrassing? It might be said that if it causes particular embarrassment and harm then it qualifies, but that leaves interpretation of the law as "I don't like it".

To take a very rough parallel, there are laws around saying offensive things to people, but exactly WHAT is offensive is difficult enough to pin down that no case that has ever gone before a judge in NSW (and I believe Australia) has ever been held up. That is because "I was offended" is not sufficient justification of actual offense.

One option is to say that any photo, taken in private, requires explicit permission to publish a photo online, as you say the law is in Germany. But what does that mean for popular sites like Facebook? Presumably, even in Germany, family members post photos of their get-togethers and adults post photos of their children. Is it the law (were we in Germany) that before my sister posts a photo of our last family Christmas, she must obtain the permission of everyone in that photo? What if she doesn't and, some time shortly thereafter my brother divorces his wife in particularly acrimonious circumstances and she, in her anger and bitterness (and having never got along with us) decides to target my sister by complaining about the photos from Christmas, saying she never consented to having the photos posted online?

It's a bit extreme but my point is simply that any law must be crafted very carefully to avoid it being misused.

And, again, you could restrict this to just nudity but the only reason to single out nudity is that it can cause embarrassment but there are many, MANY things that can cause embarrassment that are personal and so can't be blanket legislated against.

That's all a massively long detour but it's a complicated question and I don't believe it's a straight-forward situation with a straight-forward solution.

To repeat, I find this all reprehensible but there are many reprehensible images and texts and speeches and lyrics and actions that I find reprehensible but are legal and rightly so. Many things that a majority of people would prefer to not exist are essentially negative side-effects to protecting important freedoms.

Take something like Fred Phelps and his followers. Their actions are disgusting to me but I understand why they are allowed to do what they do - the freedom of expression that they are protected by is far, far too precious to weaken, even for those expressions the majority finds unpalatable.

dan1980

@Ole Handle

Personally, I disapprove of any law that is created to address some buzzword title. Similar ideas are in Australia, where politicians periodically bring up the idea of 'anti-troll' laws.

The problem is that the specifics get discarded when things are shoved into neat, sensationalist-media-friendly boxes with neat, sensationalist-media-friendly labels on them.

The question that should always be asked is: what is the relevant behaviour or activity that is to be legislated against?

With 'revenge porn', specifically, I find it a bit of a quandary. It's easy to say that it's wrong and shouldn't be allowed but harder to pin down exactly what the problem is, legally.

If it's a photo that someone took of themselves that has been sent to you or that you copied from their phone or PC or camera without their permission then that's simple. That's a breach of copyright and the rest can flow from there.

But what if you took the photo of your partner, with your own camera? Unless I am severely mistaken, you own the copyright to that work. If they agree to the photo then it cannot be claimed to be taken maliciously. The question I suppose is whether the subject of the photo could be said to have a reasonable expectation of privacy. I would say that yes, they would be I don't know if there is enough legal work to back this up and, if so, in which countries.

But should it matter that the subject was nude in the photo?

Posing naked for photos is not illegal. Nor is posting naked photos online - otherwise that's half the Internet gone! So if taking a naked photo - with consent - is not illegal and you automatically have copyright of that work and, in general, posting naked images online is not illegal, when do these two legal activities become illegal?

And, when they do become illegal, what is the exact nature of the illegality?

To be sure, I find this utterly reprehensible but then I find the behaviour of and words and images of many people to be reprehensible (why does Ted Nugent spring instantly to mind?) but what they do is protected as freedom of expression.

The trick is to craft the laws so that they effectively - and narrowly - target the behaviour that is the problem without infringing on freedom of expression. It is also necessary to do this in a far more widespread and unified manner than state-by-state as the Internet does not conform to voting boundaries.

dan1980

Re: I'm not sure I feel that sorry for the "victims" here

@AC

"At what point does the victim bear responsibility for being an utter moron?"

They are entirely responsible for the fact that Craig Brittain got his hands on their photos. They chose to send their photos to someone they didn't know. That much appears to simply be a fact, so far as I read this (if not then please correct me).

That's not something I would do, but then I wouldn't take the photos in the first place because I am a hideous, hairy and hunched half-ape and am always sure to put a shirt on before I brush my teeth or do my hair so as to avoid accidentally having to see the body that beer built in the mirror.

But, that it was perhaps not the wisest thing to do, that is all they are responsible for. They are not - even in the slightest - responsible for the actions that Brittain took subsequent to receiving their photos. That is on him and him alone.

These women are as responsible as someone in a bar meeting a stranger and letting them buy a drink and then getting drugged. Which is to say that they were trusting. Presumably that is the last time that will happen for a while and that is the biggest negative effect here - in my opinion. This dickbag has reduced the number of trusting people in this world and this is not limited to just the women who were direct victims but extends to anyone reading about it.

It's always a good idea to be prudent but it's sad when the default position has to be "don't trust anyone".

'Look into my eyes: You are feeling very worried about the climate ... so worried'

dan1980

"Hardly anyone wants political action on climate change. Just 14 per cent thought it likely they would ever even write to their MP on climate matters."

I don't think the assertion that the majority of people don't want political action can be reasonably inferred from the fact that the majority of people wouldn't write to their MP about it.

Perhaps your MPs are super-politicians: tireless advocates for the people, accessible to all and willing to break ranks and cross party lines to do what their constituents want, caring neither for patronage nor pension.

Or perhaps they are something like the ones we have here in Australia - self-important, self-serving, self-congratulating rubber-stamps from whose offices one can expect a wide range of considerate, thought-out, legally-filtered, party-approved boilerplate non-answers to any and all questions and concerns one might venture to put to them. If you get any specifics at all then they will be about some media-friendly project of the party, which is only tangentially related to the question asked.

As an example, I (relatively) recently contacted my local member about the increasing crowding on public transport in the area and how this was worsening as more high-density housing was being built, asking what their target loading was for peak hour trains departing the local station, what their maximum acceptable loading was, how they were monitoring this, what their projections were for these numbers in the near future, considering the several high-rises under construction and already selling, one of which nearly abuts the station, what their plans were to prevent the trains reaching the loading limits and what they would do if they exceeded them.

It was a detailed, well-worded and considered letter that asked specific, unambiguous questions of particular relevance to the electorate and requested well-defined answers with examples provided to make it perfectly clear the nature to the information I was requesting.

The answer I received thanked my for my interest in the party's public transport road-map, and told me that they were committed to building an efficient public transport network for the city. The listed their existing successes and finished projects (which amounted to a re-branding, complete with new uniforms and colour scheme) and then went on to gush about their progress on a new train line dozens miles away, making sure I new how exciting it was that one of their diggers had dug something somewhere that will have zero impact on any of the concerns or questions raised. It finished off by thanking me again for my interest in their party's plans and reiterating their commitment to "the future" of public transport and their excitement at all the great stuff they had done, while failing to acknowledge that not one word in the preceding four paragraphs had addressed any of my concerns or answered even one of my questions.

But no, it would be totally worth repeating the exercise so all involved could replace 'public transport' with 'climate change'.

But none of this speaks to whether climate change is real or whether it has a relevant human-induced factor. Probably the best conclusion it's possible to draw from this stat is that people don't think it's worthwhile writing to their politicians, which is not all that surprising, really.

Or does letter writing in the UK actually result in 'political action'?

dan1980

Wait . . Floods are caused by what now?

Okay, climate hoo-ha aside, people really think that floods were caused by having insufficient 'flood defences'?

That might result in a flood causing more damage but doesn't cause the flood itself. (Which I would have though would be something that didn't need pointing out . . .)

Even then, saying that the reason the floods were worse was that the defences were inadequate still doesn't mean much. The question to ask is why were the flood defences inadequate. Was it because they had deteriorated and were not fixed? That would be one thing. Or is it because they are temporary defences, put in place as-needed and this was not done as well as last time? But it could also be because the defences were in designed to deal with a certain level or severity of flooding and this flooding exceeded the normal extent known from previous events.

So the fact that a bunch of people think inadequate preparations caused the flooding speaks more to the average quality of persons available to survey than it does to any underlying truth about the event itself - whatever that truth may be!

What do China, FBI and UK have in common? All three want backdoors in Western technology

dan1980

Re: It's the New World Order!

@ecofeco

No more so than I have a problem with Corporate Corrupt Cronyist Capitalism, consumer.

: )

dan1980

Boo hoo.

"Western businesses criticized the policies as protectionist . . ."

So? Sovereign nations are ALLOWED to be protectionist. And that's not inherently a bad thing. "Protectionism" means that you are protecting your own national interests, which would seem to be the very point of having a government in the first place.

This is coming in the midst of the TPP shambles where the US is actively trying to weaken the ability of sovereign nations to set their own trade rules in order to benefit their corporations. There is, therefore, a small, vindictive, pleasure in seeing an even more powerful nation (so far as being a desirable market they want access to) simply refuse to allow a similar weakening of their own sovereignty and instead make the US jump through hoops.

But this actually shows the real problem with the US and their ideological exaltation of 'free trade'. Their bullying way of doing things has seen them continually push through agreements that end up benefiting their corporations over those of the less-powerful nations they strike their deals with.

Against China, they simply can't do this, but their corporations are able to setup show in China anyway. So what you have is, instead of goods manufactured in the US - supporting US workers, who pay US taxes and loan money from US banks and buy food and goods from US stores - and then exporting them to China, what you have is US corporations setting up shop over there and producing locally. (Paying Chinese workers, etc...)

There are many US brands in China but most of of that product does not come from US factories! They are exporting US knowledge to China by dint of them operating there, thus reducing any competitive advantage they might have had if they manufactured on home soil.

Even more than that, however, because these corporations are setup in China, much of their manufacturing is done there as it is so much faster and often cheaper, thus reducing the manufacturing capability of the US. Apple might be a great US success story and poster child for US know-how and technical excellence but every iPad and iPhone bought by Americans (and everyone else) is imported from China and comes brim-full of technology sourced and manufactured in Asia.

What the US (like Australia) does export to China is raw materials like iron ore, wheat, coal and surprisingly, soybeans (for pig feed). Also, like Australia, they tend to export lower-value un-processed versions of the above which then gets processed after shipping. Iron is a big one - the steel itself is manufactured in China.

In fact, the top two US exports to China last year were soybeans and scrap (fe, al, cu + paper) - which are raw materials, whereas the top two exports from China to the US were computer and communications equipment - high-value, finished goods.

Indeed, the 2012 trade deficit with China in 'high-tech' equipment was $119bn (overall deficit to China was $318bn).

Free from the ideological tunnel vision of 'free trade' and unencumbered by the corporate corruption that runs rife in the US, what motivation is there for China to make it easy for US companies sell to them?

It seems that the US's response is to sob: "it's not fair - they won't play by our rules like everyone else!"

Boo hoo - I guess 'free trade' only works when you you get your own way all the time. Nice to know the US has at least some idea of how their one-sided 'partnerships' feel to the rest of us.

dan1980

Re: Communication equipment

@P.Lee

As Schneier says, we can make secure systems, or we can make insecure systems but we can't make a secure system which can only be snooped by the "good guys."

And even if you could, there's no clear way to tell exactly who the "good guys" are. Nor to ensure that they are always operating for the good of the people.

Trust us - our secret court approved a secret (blanket) request, made in secret, about secret targets, with secret criteria, for a secret duration and with secret aims. So don't worry, okay?

Let's be clear, everyone: DON'T BLOCK Wi-Fi, DUH – FCC official ruling

dan1980

@Pirate Dave

Thanks but even you, in your apparent agreement with me have misunderstood my post!

Without being rude, I think you should be banned from spamming deauth. You are interfering with the operation of a wireless network and that should not be allowed and I never EVER said that I think it should be.

If your employer has decided that students aren't to use personal 'hotspots' in their dorms then put it in the student agreement and set down penalties for anyone found to be doing so. How you actually enforce that is another matter but just because enforcing a ban is difficult, that doesn't mean it's now suddenly okay to forcible block something.

If your concern is confusion, then that's relatively straight-forward to deal with. You write into the agreement that use of wireless networks are allowed but prohibit open networks and the broadcasting of SSIDs. You then do random sweeps with a laptop or tablet running Kismet or NetStumbler (or whatever) and you're away.

If you want to ban something then ban it and deal with the consequences. Don't break it silently, not least of all because it's illegal (now confirmed), but also because it's not sending a good sign to the students.

(BTW - it wasn't me who down-voted you.)

dan1980

@James O'Shea

No shit!!

Did you even READ my comment? I said exactly what you did - Marriott can put it in their terms and deal with the fallout from people who decide to say: "fuck you; we'll go elsewhere".

You are wrong, however, when you suggest that if they do this then that gives them the right to block signals. No, they can't. Blocking those signals is illegal, end of story - it doesn't matter what the T&Cs say, no agreement allows Marriott to break the law.

My post was to say that the author's assertion that the FCC have told Marriott they are not allowed to "ban" hotspots cannot be true because that would infringe upon the right that Marriott have, as a private company, to dictate the terms of entry to their own private premises. The only real restriction to this right is where discrimination is involved - they can't prevent Jewish people from entering or Russian people, or people with disabilities and they can't prevent legitimate, registered assistance animals, such as guide dogs*.

They can't block the public frequencies used by mobile hotspots but they CAN ban people from using the equipment that accesses them. And yes, you can ban the use of specific functionality of a device, such as allowing phones but banning their use as cameras.

* - The only places that can, generally, are Zoos and other areas with specific quarantine requirements.

dan1980

@Dropbear

But that's the point!!!

As it is PRIVATE property, they have the right to ask you to leave if you are doing something they don't want you to do.

If you walk into an art gallery that bans flash photography and then snap away with the flash going then they are within their rights to tell you to stop. They can't MAKE you stop but they CAN then ask you to leave.

That's what I am saying - Hotels are PERFECTLY within their rights to say that you cannot use mobile hotspots in their convention rooms. They can't actually stop you using one or block the public frequencies (which I never said they could or should do) but they CAN ask you to leave if they find you doing and that is what I am saying.

My post said this:

* The article says the FCC informed hotels they can't "ban" hotspots.

* I questioned whether that was correct because "banning" something is very different from forcibly blocking it through technological means.

* Banning things is a right of private enterprises on their own private grounds - be a theatre banning mobile phone usage or a gallery banning flash photography or a bar banning open footwear and shorts or a library banning people listen to music through speakers or a bus company banning open drinks or a church banning 'offensive' clothing or a Zoo banning people from wearing animal costumes (no joke) or a theme part banning people from skateboarding or a music festival or venue banning 'selfie sticks' (again, no joke) or a foot ball stadium banning musical instruments like trumpets and drums and horns like the vuvuzela, or a water-park/pool banning certain swimwear they deem inappropriate, or CD shop banning school kids from bringing in school bags, or a restaurant banning use of laptops at the table.

Private companies can ban pretty much any activity or objects on their own private premises and can evict or prohibit entry to anyone on those or any other (non-discriminatory) grounds.

I swear some times the readers on this site just get their heckles so high up that they flail away at anything that even looks like it might be against their point of view, failing to pick up or deliberately misunderstanding the subtle but rather important difference between banning some activity and employing questionable (illegal) technological means to block it.

The former in within the rights of any private company operating on private premises; the later is not.

dan1980

To anyone of the 7 people (thus far) who have downvoted my comment, would you car to explain why?

dan1980

US watchdog the FCC has ruled that no one – not even hotels and other commercial outfits – can block or ban personal Wi-Fi hotspots."

They're not allowed to ban personal hotspots?

That doesn't sound right at all and if so then it would appear to be a MASSIVE overreach by the FCC because I can't see how they could possibly have the authority to tell a commercial organisation what they can and cannot ban inside their own private property.

I don't think hotels should ban personal hotspots but I very much think that as a commercial enterprise they should have the right to do so. If they want to then that is their decision and they have to deal with the consequences as both conference delegates and, more importantly, organisers complain and look for alternate venues.

I suspect, that the word 'ban' is actually a mistake here. At least I hope so.

If so, I just don't understand why this is really a problem for Marriott - just ban personal hotspots inside their conference/convention rooms*. It's easy - every conference venue has terms & conditions and contracts that are signed by organisers so you just make sure the 'ban' is spelled-out in there and then make it a condition of entry for delegates that they are not allowed to operate a mobile hotspot inside the specified rooms.

There's bound to be backlash but that's their choice. Blocking it is cowardly - if they want it stopped they should outright tell people so they (the attendees and organisers) know what is going to happen and factor that into their decisions.

* - To be clear, they are fine with use in rooms (and in common areas like the bar and lobby) by guests.

Is it humanly possible to watch Gigli and Battlefield Earth back-to-back?

dan1980

Re: I reckon that I have something...

Dark City?

Whatever you think of the plot, the design, the morality or anything else, it has Jennifer Connelly in it. And no movie with Jennifer Connelly in it can be justly called unwatchable

Not even Inkheart or Noah* and especially not pre-2000 Jennifer Connelly, when she still qualified as 'voluptuous'. Winter's Tale has received particularly poor reviews but, with not only Jennifer Connelly but Jessica Brown Findlay in it, I can't imagine it even approaches unwatchable, however bad it is.

Wash your mouth out, sir. (Or perhaps your eyes.)

* - I still have next to no idea what was going on there.

Excitement in boffinry circles as GIGANTIC ALIEN RING BLOTS OUT SUN

dan1980

Re: if our world was ground up small and put into orbit

It'd solve more than a few of my problems. Only way to be sure, I reckon.

The other day I had a magnificent hangover and if you'd given me the option of having the world transported 30 quintillion lg away, ground up, then distributed across 540 quintillion nW, I would have been hard-pressed to refuse.

Australian spookhaus ASIO could retain private data FOREVER

dan1980

"Dr Thom also offers a veiled warning to the telecommunications industry: whatever data carriers collect about their customers can be swept up in a spook request. If carriers “do retain more than the minimum required then whatever information they retain, so long as it is not content, will be able to be accessed”, she writes."

Which is EXACTLY why companies shouldn't collect any more data than ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY and destroy it AS SOON as possible.

This is the big problem with all those wonderful privacy policies we click through when signing up to things - maybe they promise they will never sell your data or even use it for commercial purposes (and maybe they even mean it!) but even best-intentioned companies still MUST hand it over when subject to a correct legal request.

They also can't guarantee that it won't be pilfered due to a system breach or carelessness.

dan1980

Forgotten?

FTC to Internet of Stuff: Security, motherf****r, do you speak it?

dan1980

Re: Because trusting the corporation always works, right?

@ecofreco

"Disabling the connection will become a crime."

In the medium term, no. Far more likely that most, if not all, features of a device would be dependent on a connection. Not things like toasters, but TVs and Blu-ray players and so on. I can certainly see a world where TVs must be connect to the Internet to be useful for much beyond playing local content and even then, the devices used to play that content would need connectivity too.

There would be no need there to disable a connection -just don't connect it. In the far further future, however, I can see something like this. Not a 'crime' but certainly having it so that any attempt to disable connectivity rendered the device inoperable and in breach of license conditions. Though I suppose that could be a crime to do with trying to disable copy protection.

Still, that level of horror would require a genuinely pervasive wireless network that could be relied on by the device and that is the part that's realistically a fair way away.