* Posts by JimboSmith

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Internet connection now required for Windows 11 Pro Insider setup

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Thanks for the explanation, it looks like you had the wrong type of Windows 10 Home installation. You should have gone for Windows 10 Home instead of for Windows 10 Home S. That way you would have avoided all problems. A fresh installation with the correct version would have solved your problem.

Yeah well that’s what was supplied on the laptop and there wasn’t any supplied media, as is normal nowadays. Sadly life’s too short, I needed the laptop up and running asap and Mint seemed obvious as I had it on a memory stick.

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Wait, what? Can you explain further?

I am running Windows 10 here, typing this in Firefox with Thunderbird installed, and I haven't had to create a Microsoft account. Local login, with Firefox set as the default browser and Thunderbird tied to my Gmail inbox via POP3.

Not disbelieving you or anything, but I am puzzled!

Things have changed now thankfully but……………At the time I had bought my first Windows 10 laptop and was looking to install these Mozilla programs they were not available on the Windows Store. To be able to install programs that weren’t available on the aforementioned store you had to come out of ‘S mode’.

Switch out of S mode

To do this Microsoft requires you run something from the Microsoft Store first. This allowed you to do ditch S mode quite happily, but you had to have a Microsoft account to do so as you had to get it from the store and that app required an account to be downloaded.

Disable S mode without a Microsoft account not possible

I spent a while trying to circumvent this to no avail and became quite frustrated that I couldn’t.

Subsequently in June 2019 Thunderbird and then towards the start of November last year Firefox appeared in the Windows Store. As this post from Mozilla points out:

As of today, Firefox desktop is the first major browser to become available in the Windows Store for Windows 10 and Windows 11 users. Previously, if you were on Windows and wanted to use Firefox, you had to download it from the internet and go through a clunky process from Microsoft. Now that Microsoft has changed its Store policies, choosing Firefox as your desktop browser is even more seamless – and it comes with all the latest Firefox features.

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-the-first-major-browser-to-be-available-in-the-windows-store/

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I’m in the same camp but my issue was Windows 10 and the insistence on a Microsoft account to install Firefox and Thunderbird. I just didn’t want to give them the info they required to set a Windows account up. I would have stuck with the Windows 10 that came pre installed on the laptop. I just didn’t want a Microsoft account, although I was happy to give internet access when setting the machine up.

I’ve been using Windows for years and still do so at work with two computers at home still using it although not connected to anything (and one is dual boot). For me Windows 8 was where everything started to go wrong with the OS GUI. The red X tricking you into ‘upgrading’ to Windows 8. Once you were upgraded there were now two different places things could run not one. The TIFKAM screen for apps and the Desktop for programs. The lack of a hierarchical menu structure added to the problem. Microsoft seemed determined to make changes that would work in a touch environment whether you had a touchscreen or not. Sinofsky seemed to brush off all the criticism of the interface before and after it was released. The smart money was on the return to a traditional GUI with a start button in the next version. This then came to pass with Windows 10. They had a collection of apps built for Windows Phone which was touch, so it would have seemed sensible to make Win. 8 compatible with those apps. They didn’t and we all know what happened to the phone division. I still have a Windows phone, a 1033 which I use for the rather good camera.

I’m all for Microsoft but they make these decisions seemingly without checking to see how popular they’ll be. Years ago I was installing some software and you had register/authenticate this on the internet. They however realised that you might not ever have/nor want this machine connected to the web. Therefore they had a system that allowed for this and you copied the codes over manually. Yes it was a little bit of extra work but on an airgapped machine it solved a lot of problems.

File suffixes: Who needs them? Well, this guy did

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Re: file extensions

I felt sorry for the guy at the end of the day because he was doing what was supposed to be a day trip to the UK. Red eye flight from the US in economy, straight to work after landing and supposed to fly back that evening. That’s not my idea of a fun day.

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Re: At JimboSmith, re: buggy software.

I can’t name the firm as I signed an NDA but I can say it wasn’t Microsoft.

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Re: file extensions

Once had a nice chap of German descent at our offices trying to install a new version of their software for me to Beta test. He’d arrived that morning from the USA with his laptop, a few CD Roms and assorted cables. He also brought with him a bad case of Jetlag and an attitude to match when things started to go wrong.

Things went wrong rather quickly because the freshly burned CD Roms were not allowing him to install his software in my test PC. He blamed my computer and then to demonstrate got his laptop out and tried it on that. That didn’t work either which he was seriously unhappy about and lead to more grumbling. He said he’d have to contact the office in the USA to see what was going wrong but no one would be there till after lunch in the UK.

I suggested having lunch and then worrying about contacting those across the pond afterwards. He reluctantly agreed and asked about where he could buy it. I mentioned there were a few sandwich bars nearby, a few restaurants and we also had a staff canteen where I was going. He didn’t seem keen on leaving the building but had questions about the canteen.

“Do they sell Sandwiches?” - Yes

“Do they have non carbonated beverages?” - Yes

“Can lunch be bought for under £5” - Yes

“Do they supply receipts?” - Yes I believe so

“Are there places to sit down?” - Yes

Those answered we ventured to the staff eatery for lunch. He explained that his company has a $10 meal allowance for lunch when “on the road”. He needed the receipt to be able to reclaim this from the firm. Furthermore because nothing was installing and he hadn’t identified the issue, he was likely to be here overnight. This was an issue because he was booked on a flight back that night to the USA. He had to get authorisation to change that and find + book a cheap hotel room for the night. Buy some underwear and a toothbrush as he hadn’t brought any clothes/wash kit with him On top of all of that he had to explain to his wife that he wouldn’t be back that night - hardest one to do.

He talked to head office after lunch and got his authorisation. His wife was quite unhappy given the shouting coming out of his cellphone. Sadly staff at headquarters didn’t have a clue as to why it wasn’t working. I said I had to go to a meeting and left him with the IT department phone number and another member of staff as a chaperone. When I got back he had installed everything and was just customising the system for us. I asked what had been wrong and he muttered something about truncated file names. It turned out that one file name was missing a digit at the end which had been truncated on the CD Roms. This stopped the installer as it checked all the files early on in the process and stopped when it couldn’t find one.

On the plus side as this was now a two day trip he had a further $20 in expenses, to spend on dinner. He said that he needed to buy his wife a nice souvenir to placate, her so was off to Harrods. The software was described beautifully by a colleague of mine as “Not even a Beta version at the moment, who wrote this buggy piece of crap”.

India's Reserve Bank deputy governor calls for crypto ban

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Then again there is apparently evidence that at least some of the hackers raids on Crypto companies were perpetrated by the North Koreans funding their missile program etc. which is good to know it’s not being misused on things like food for the starving population https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-60281129

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Re: The nub of the matter:

Ah thus creating a bubble which will eventually burst.

Journalist won't be prosecuted for pressing 'view source'

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Re: The State changed its tune

This has echoes of the Sunncomm Rootkit scandal which you may if you’re old enough remember from SonyBMG CDs.…..

And for completeness here is how this esteemed website covered the story:

https://www.theregister.com/2003/10/08/shift_key_breaks_latest_cd/

https://www.theregister.com/2003/10/09/sunncomm_to_sue_shift_key/

Of course, legal action was a possibility Halderman was well aware of when he published his paper. "I hardly think that telling people to push shift constitutes trafficking in a (copy-protection technology) circumvention device," Halderman yesterday told US newswires. "I'm not very worried." ®

And a follow up story on Sunncomm

https://www.theregister.com/2004/09/27/sunncomm_death_or_glorry/

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Re: The State changed its tune

This has echoes of the Sunncomm Rootkit scandal which you may if you’re old enough remember from SonyBMG CDs. Basically if you put a “copy protected” CD from SonyBMG into your Windows computer it would load a rootkit This was designed to stop you from ripping the contents of the CD and sharing it online, using it in an MP3 player etc. A Princeton graduate pointed out publicly that if you prevented the disc from autoplaying by pressing the shift key whilst you inserted the disc the rootkit wasn’t able to load. The people at Sunncomm were unimpressed by his pointing out a perfectly legitimate feature of Windows and looked at legal action.

https://web.archive.org/web/20031012225424/http://news.com.com/2100-1025_3-5089168.html?tag=nefd_top

This came to naught in the end I believe and SonyBMG faced a huge backlash for the rootkit scandal. As a colleague said at the time, his personal website told people to hold down the shift key when inserting a CD. He joked that he was just waiting for the letter from the lawyers, as his website was hosted in the USA. He said it would be telling him to cease and desist promoting methods that would allow users to circumvent copy protection from running, citing the DCMA etc. The rootkit code was then exploited by others for more malicious purposes later on I seem to recall.

During the dot com boom (the first one) there was a startup e-commerce site we found. The adage we used back then was that if it’s showing as available next day/day after, then the website had stock in the warehouse. Any longer and it was doubtless coming from a supplier on demand and they had no physical stock. All of their items were listed as several days for delivery and they were obviously just listing goods they were able to get from suppliers. In the source code of the page however (we were bored and curious) it listed the SKU (Stock Keeping Unit) and then avseries of numbers that weren’t displayed on the viewable page. Someone worked out that this was the supplier/cost price/delivery lead time/UNKNOWN

We never worked out what the UNKNOWN bit was, nor could we accurately identify the suppliers (we did get one of them though). Interesting to see the markup that they were adding on and very handy when looking at other sites selling the same product.

Dido Harding's appointment to English public health body ruled unlawful

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Re: Guilty of not doing a equality report

Heard from someone recently in the NHS who said Kate Bingham was a really good appointment whatever her connections. She was part of the reason we were doing so well with vaccines in this country. Don’t remember Private Eye having a go at her either. Baroness (Dido) Hardup on the other hand……..

Reality check: We should not expect our communications to remain private

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Re: "Saying if you don't want it on the internet, don't put it up there is too trite a response"

The problem is that encryption of data whizzing across the internet is normal now. This very website uses HTTPS and so my communication with it is encrypted. The messages I post are available for all to see though. What amazed me was at Christmas was I met someone who was uneducated in what was encrypted. He was dead set against end to end encryption because of the potential for misuse “Think of the Children” However he said yes to doing his banking and shopping online and seemed oblivious to the fact that those used end to end encryption.. Oddly though he thought email did, but that you had to “register” for that so it was known who you were if necessary. I told him the oft repeated phrase Don’t write anything in an email that you wouldn’t write and send on a postcard. He had no idea and sent his card details, CVV, address and all via email.

You can’t ban encryption over the internet because so much of what we do depends on it. However what Snowden did was make the job of the security services that much harder. If I know that a particular application or program has been compromised or the encryption broken then I probably won’t use it. The same is doubtless true of miscreants, and we’ve seen them with their own messaging apps such as Encrochat which is in the news today. I don’t expect my communications to remain private for ever because with ever increasing computing power it seems less likely. If I communicate with one member of my extended family then (for reasons i won’t go into here) there’s a good chance it’s being read by the security services. If the fact that she’s was asking around last night via WhatsApp for light blue darning wool is of interest to them, then great.

Apple emits emergency fix for exploited-in-the-wild WebKit vulnerability

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Re: Thomas!

Archbishop of Canterbury…….If you’ve seen Four Weddings and a Funeral you may have missed a future Archbishop whilst watching it. It’s in the wedding involving Bernard & Lydia which the delightful Roman Atkinson presides over. There are two priests in the scene, and as well as Rowan Atkinson there’s also a certain Rowan Williams who later went on to become……..the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Toshiba reveals 30TB disk drive to arrive by 2024

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I remember an article from the distant past in the mainstream press where they called a 500MB hard drive a company had installed “bloody big.”.

I also remember when we got a 1TB storage array at work. It was the size of 19” rack cabinet and weighed a massive amount. We were using it for one project and worried we wouldn’t fill it, at first. Then we worried that it wasn’t large enough.

UK.gov threatens to make adults give credit card details for access to Facebook or TikTok

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Re: Dead Cat

How things change. Back when I was of school age it was all about who looked old enough to score a four-pack of kestrel from the local offy.

At my school he was a lanky kid called Antony and his speciality was Pron. It wasn’t through choice I don’t think, it was more that the local off-licence actually checked IDs very carefully. Think they’d been caught before by the local plod/trading standards etc.

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Re: Dead Cat

Have you ever met your average Daily Mail middle England reader? I have and it scared me.

Not as much as some other newspapers admittedly but still.

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Re: Dead Cat

"share it around possibly for a small fee" - Ah, encouraging the future entrepeneurs.

Even Richard Desmond was young once and had to start somewhere. For those not in the know, the Daily Express publisher Mr Desmond also used to publish such works as Asian Babes, Readers Wives etc.

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Re: Dead Cat

At one party I was at it came up that I was quite good with technology. One of the other people in the group I was talking to told me that the modern world with the internet was the reason for the world “Going to Hell in a handcart!” I said I know what you mean and I said I saw some offensive things on seemingly the most innocent of websites. I then read out a selection of bylines from a supposedly tame website. I asked people to guess where they came from. I had

“Megan Fox sets pulses racing as she showcases her ample cleavage in low-cut sheer dress for the Jimmy Choo X Mugler event in LA”*

and

“Bebe Rexha stuns in pink lace teddy as she takes on Celine Dion Challenge”*

Also a piece about immigration. One lady there said that’s precisely the sort of thing that pollutes the internet and makes me sick. Her husband was smiling and I thought I knew why. I said to her was this is the sort of thing that she was on about? She said yes this was just the tip of the iceberg though was it necessary to put pictures like that up? These sites were like a gateway to stronger stuff and the internet is full of that etc.

I told her I agreed totally and that all of it was from the Daily Mail website including the immigration piece from Katie Hopkins. She looked at my phone in horror as her husband burst out laughing.

*Those are on the Daily Mail website today.

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Re: Dead Cat

Yup I've met many Daily Mail readers and also many Guardian readers and it's the Guardian readers that tend to froth. Mainly because it's all wrong and it's all someone elses fault. I'm guessing your a Guardian reader :-)

Nope I don’t read the newspapers, nor support any political parties. I do read the rather excellent Private Eye and El Reg though.

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Re: Would a debit card work this sort of verification?

You can get them in the UK but there would be another problem with their use for Pron Age Verification. The numbers at the start of the card identfy the issuer, the network (Visa, Mastercard etc.) and the type of card is also possible to determine. So using a prepaid one will normally flag up as such.

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Re: Dead Cat

Yes because one of them asked what the name of his mate’s device was.

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Re: Dead Cat

Have you ever met your average Daily Mail middle England reader? I have and it scared me.

Just realised I would have been the most popular kid in my school…….and not Antony who looks like he might be 18 and so his local newsagents sells him the stuff.

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Re: Teenagers

FAIL

I expect the average 15 y.o. teenageris more tech savvy than their parents, and will get around this easily - not that some parents don't give a shit about their kids anyway on the Internet anyway.

Plus it will become a challenge for the teens to do so anyway.

You may or may not remember but the topless babe on a couch type channels had harder siblings on other freeview channels. These were ‘protected’ by a page that required you to enter a code you had to call a premium rate number to receive. You entered the unique code you saw on screen using your phone and the unlock code would be provided. The problem was that the system used for generating the codes was extremely weak. This is may be down to the fact that it was all done in MHEG, don’t know. Anyway code generators soon appeared which allowed you to bypass the premium rate phone number step.

If you actually looked into this though there wasn’t actually any encryption on the Pron being broadcast. The video and audio stream were broadcast unencrypted on the same multiplex. The average receiver/television wouldn’t let you tune to this though because the data stream lacked an LCN (Logical Channel Number). Once you entered your code however the MHEG switched you to the stream. A bit like how the BBC red button works on some TV’s. If you had certain receivers or a DVB-T USB stick and appropriate software however……..You just scanned the multiplex, found the otherwise unfindable channel(s) and then you had access. When a concerned parent (not me I don’t have kids) complained to Ofcom their response was “Meh”

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Re: Dead Cat

This is a fine example of Daily Mail politics: Take a subject that the DM have got their readers in a froth about. Introduce a law where you ban or encourage or restrict whatever the DM don't like/like. Distract the voters/Get more votes/hide some other piece of legislation as a result. Doesn't matter if the whole thing is dumb and unworkable.

All this will do is make the IT savvy kids the most popular ones in school. The ones who have their parents Age Verification password, know how to use a VPN etc. They then just share it around possibly for a small fee. A few years ago I was on the way to the post office just after kicking out time at the local Schools. On the bus ride there I was joined at the back of the upper deck by several spotty teenage youth in uniform. One of them had an impressively high resolution image of one lady and four men engaged in what I now understand is a position referred to as 'airtight'. His phone was filled with such images and films and as this was the latest addition he was bluetoothing or wifi sharing it to his mates sitting around him.

Labour reminds UK.gov that it's supposed to be reforming the Computer Misuse Act

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They appear to be targeting this because they don’t want to be seen to be attacking the Online Safety Bill. Also I see that the pointless Age Verification For Porn sites has popped up again in that bill.

No, I've not read the screen. Your software must be rubbish

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Re: What error message?

Ah you mean error messages like

”Core temperature CRITICAL without further action MELTDOWN IMMINENT. Do you URGENTLY want to increase coolant levels?”

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Re: Simples...

Yeah I’m e watched someone cancel a dialogue box because it annoyed them. In one case this was an important one about whether the user wished to run a particular report. This automatically popped up after changes were made to the database. It showed if your changes were correct in an easy to read way. If you didn’t do it you wouldn’t know what if anything was wrong.

After running, the dialogue appeared again asking if you wanted to run it again. In the same morning I saw a full hard drive because the same report was being run over and over. Someone had placed the edge of a file where it hit the enter key. As soon as the report was running it asked about running again and the enter key signalled yes.

Jeff Bezos adds some more overheads to his $485m yacht by taking down historic bridge

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Re: Meh

The running costs per year are normally 10% of the cost of the thing (according to a mate of mine who likes boats). That’s north of $50m a year which ain’t chump change although probably a drop in the ocean for Mr Bezos. Then there’s tax although there are schemes and the such like to help offset that. Register the thing as available for charter, so set it up as a business and VAT on supplies like fuel evaporates. Although it doesn’t actually need to be able to be chartered just registered as such. So you may find that the super rich list their yacht for charter, but you can’t actually hire it. Wall Street Journal Article

As the old saying goes a yacht will give you the two happiest days of your life: the day you buy it, and the day you sell it.

With apologies for the awful gags, mine’s the one with the book of dodgy nautical sayings in it.

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Re: Picture or it didn't happen

It's a monumentally dull looking yacht. Quite apt, I suppose, for an equally dull owner.

Whilst I agree it’s understated on the outside, it still looks better than this ”the Lady K” or this ”Saluzi”.

Brocade wrongly sacked award-winning salesman who depended on company insurance for cancer treatment

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Re: Hock Tan is a heartless asshole

Not met him but definitely met someone similar.

Whistleblower claims NSO offered 'bags of cash' for access to US phone networks

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Re: oops

I believe the modern nomenclature is "phat stax"

I’ll take your word for that as I suspect that’s a young person thing, and it’s been a while since I was called young.

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Re: oops

So someone downvoted the fact I didn’t take a bribe. You think I should have done!?!

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Re: oops

Live your life in such a way that you never have to have a spokesman say: “he has no recollection of using the phrase ‘bags of cash’, and believes he did not do so. However if those words were used, they will have been entirely in jest.”

If it were me I’d have no recollection of saying “bags of cash” either, much easier to use “sacks of cash” which would hold more and require less of them. Could be more environmentally friendly that way if we’re talking plastic bags/sacks.

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Re: oops

I was once offered money by a customer to do something unethical in relation to my job. I said “No” spoke to my manager about it and filed a written report. Customer couldn’t see the problem which wasn’t surprising given what I knew about them.

UK's new Brexit Freedom Bill promises already-slated GDPR reform, easier gene editing rules

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Re: Fingers crossed

Are you perhaps suggesting Nadine Dorries looking slightly the worse for wear as she's scribbling over whatever law she wants with her crayon set is perhaps not up to the standards one expects of a modern western democracy?

Ah you mean Nadine (I downed Lambs Testicle followed by Ostrich Anus) Dorries. The one who bunked off work as an MP to appear on I’m A Celebrity.

Happy birthday, Windows Vista: Troubled teen hits 15

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Re: Vista Stumbled so 7 could Run

A principle that the dumb developers within Microsoft often break. Install Windows from scratch, congratulations you must assign a user who will be given administrator access by default. Install Microsoft SQL server and where are the data files stored by default? In the Program Files tree of course, which by Microsoft's own guidance should only ever be written to by an account with software installation rights and definitely never used for data or configuration. It was this last point that often caught out incompetent developers and why they usually stated "must have administrator rights to local system" because data files, log files and so on were incorrectly written into an area of the file system that should only ever be read-only. After all, it's only been in the Windows API since about 1995 to ask for and be provided with a suitable data path (1995-ish, mangled by the horrors of Microsoft insisting that Internet Explorer as part of the Operating System to try and justify them abusing their monopoly position with it).

One program the company I worked for used was did exactly that. It required those of us who had to use it, to have more rights than everyone else. It was pointed out that this broke company rules but it also wasn’t negotiable as the company had picked that software vendor. This was the software that one of our senior programmers described as “warped”. He asked if mind altering substances were in regular use there, because nobody but nobody structures databases like that - for a good reason.

I used my extra privileges to (amongst other things) change the awful compulsory we corporate desktop wallpaper to something a bit more pleasing on the eye.

New York Times outlays seven-figure sum for 1,900 lines of JavaScript – yes, we mean Wordle

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Best of luck to him, never played it but people tell me it’s really good but addictive.

Hands up who ISN'T piling in to help Epic Games appeal Apple App Store ruling

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Re: "allow an Office competitor to exist that users didn’t need to install"

You seem fixated on Office. I used Office as I said in my original post as an example of a Microsoft product. I could just as easily have put notepad and paint. Apple needed Office far more than Microsoft needed to sell it to Apple. Apple had a tiny market share back then and I read somewhere in connection with the antitrust case that their sales would have been “seriously” dented without Office. Indeed despite a very large investment in an office version just for Apple Bill Gates was threatening to kill it off. Of course with just shy of $7bn in cash or investments in 1996 Microsoft weren’t short of a bob or two. So it would have been chump change to them, but seriously damaged a competitor. Throwing money away is obviously something that Microsoft kept in the corporate playbook, given the vast amount blown on Nokia and Windows phone, remember those?

Back then if Microsoft saw what you did as a threat to their business they either tried to get you to stop producing the product or just tried to put you out of business. What they were worried about was a competitor who already had a lead in browsers. They were worried about the future potential of the browser so decided to use anticompetitive behaviour to kill their competitor off. The government won the case but it didn’t have much effect on Microsoft.

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Re: "allow an Office competitor to exist that users didn’t need to install"

Still, they never went far as Apple forbidding to install any other browser, pay for the privilege of installing software on its OS, and forcing developers to pay MS even when they could use a different toolset for development. From these beahaviours, one can understand why they are so cozy with China - same mindset.

I have no idea how old you are and what you remember of the mid to late 90s. However at the time Bill Gates was still firmly at Microsoft and a dominant figure in the tech industry.

The problem for Microsoft back then was that they saw almost everyone as a competitor and therefore a threat. For example they talked to Apple about QuickTime and tried to get them to drop the version for Windows. Then they changed things in Windows to stop QuickTime working on their OS. They did a similar thing to RealNetworks according to the Chief Exec Rob Glaser. Bill Gates doesn’t come out of that case looking anything other than a bit paranoid in my opinion based on the evidence presented.

They didn’t forbid the only other serious other browser out there at the time. They did their hardest to get the computer manufacturers not to pre-install Netscape Navigator. They gave AOL space on the win95 desktop in return for ditching Navigator. They tried their hardest to kill Navigator off completely. Wasn’t just forbidding it from their OS they also approached Apple about making Internet Explorer the default on their computers. Then baked it into the OS so it wasn’t avoidable if you owned a Windows computer.

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Re: "allow an Office competitor to exist that users didn’t need to install"

And? Was really the need to "install" an office suite the problem? Moreover back then the internet technology was even lamer than today and a usable web office was even less probable.

The real reason was probably they wanted to control the whole stack and be sure IE would sustain Windows/SQL Server sales and other products for developers.

Still, they never went far as Apple forbidding to install any other browser, pay for the privilege of installing software on its OS, and forcing developers to pay MS even when they could use a different toolset for development. From these beahaviours, one can understand why they are so cozy with China - same mindset.

Quoting from a very good book about the antitrust case against Microsoft U.S. vs Microsoft- Joel Brinkley and Steve Lohr ISBN 0-07-135588-x

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At the heart of this competition-and central to the case-are browsing programs used to navigate the Internet’s World Wide Web. Netscape got an early lead in the market with its Navigator browser. What frightened Microsoft was that navigator could be used as a “platform,” a layer of software on which other programs can run. This is the main function of an operating system, a market in which Microsoft has a monopoly with Windows.

They (Microsoft) had a go at anyone who was producing anything software like.

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After a meeting with Mr. Gates in 1996, an executive with America Online, the nation’s largest on-line service, wrote to other executives in his company: “Gates delivered a characteristically blunt query: ‘How much do we need to pay you?’ “ he asked, to damage Netscape. “ ‘This is your lucky day’ “

In another case, the memos indicated that Microsoft threatened to stop selling the Apple Computer Co. a version of Microsoft's Office software suite, which holds more than 90 percent of that market -- unless Apple stopped supporting Netscape.

A central argument in the government's suit is that Microsoft has bundled its Web browser with Windows as a tactic in its war with Netscape. For the last year, at least, Microsoft has argued that the browser was added to Windows only for the benefit of customers.

In court Monday, however, the Justice Department displayed numerous internal memos indicating that the bundling was indeed a tactical decision.

This bit is particularly interesting

The memos showed that Microsoft's leaders first wanted to sell Interent Explorer and expected to earn $120 million a year from the sales. Then, when the plan to push Netscape out of competition with Microsoft failed, the company's leaders decided to bundle the browser with Windows instead as a means of helping it gain a majority share of the market.

Nothing wrong there then!

In one memo, written in December 1995 -- in the thick of Microsoft's effort to push Netscape out of the market -- Gates wrote a memo to others in the company acknowledging that Netscape was designing browser software "far better than we are."

In an interview a few months later, displayed in court Monday, Gates said: "Our business model works even if the Internet Explorer software is free. We are still selling operating systems. What's Netscape's business model look like in that case? Not very good."

The government also proffered several memos from computer manufacturers complaining bitterly about Microsoft's licensing restriction that prohibited them from offering Netscape if they wanted to offer Windows.

"We're very disappointed," Hewlett Packard wrote to Microsoft last year. "This will cause significant, costly problems. From a consumer perspective, it is hurting our industry.

"If we had another choice of another supplier, based on your actions here, we would take it."

Intel had produced some multimedia software for Windows 3.1 called N.S.P which stood for native signal processing. Microsoft was not keen with Mr Gates calling it low-quality. The enthusiastic OEMs learning of Microsoft’s dislike of the software backed away and Intel dropped it.

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“Tensions in the Intel-Microsoft relationship continued over Internet Software. For example, Intel felt that Sun Microsystems’ Java, an Internet programming language was destined to become an industry standard. So Intel had technical programs to support Java which could theoretically become a threat to the dominance of Windows someday. After a meeting with Paul Maritz, a Microsoft executive, Frank Gill an Intel executive wrote in an internal email, “Java remains a major controversy.” Intel’s support for Java, Mr Gill wrote, was viewed by Microsoft as “supporting their mortal enemy.”

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Re: Apple is getting shafted by very guilty parties

I can’t avoid the company given my employer is quite heavily tied into Microsoft ecosystem.

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Re: Apple is getting shafted by very guilty parties

They are pulling a strategy straight out of the Internet Explorer days. If you can't sell a product profitably you give it away hoping that if you can do that long enough you drive the other guy out of business. Bye bye Netscape.

Do you know why Microsoft were so worried about Netscape? It wasn’t so much because Netscape was a threat to sales of Internet Explorer. It was more because they were worried about being able to run programs in the browser. They were concerned that this would allow an Office competitor (for example) to exist that users didn’t need to install. Somewhat ironic therefore that they now have apps designed for use via a browser. I hate Office/Outlook for the web with a passion.

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Re: Apple is getting shafted by very guilty parties

It’s not just the revenue slicing that Apple have a stranglehold on. For example if you want to have a browser on IOS it has to use Apple’s WebKit as the engine. So if a bug is found in that engine then you’re screwed. You therefore can’t switch to another browser to avoid the bug. It makes no difference if it’s Firefox, Opera, Brave, Chrome, Edge or Safari on IOS.

Wouldn’t be quite so bad if there hadn’t been a serious bug disclosed recently in that engine. One that Apple dragged their heels over bothering to create a fix for. https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2022/01/21/apple_safari_webkit_indexeddb/

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Re: Apple is getting shafted by very guilty parties

Microsoft's brief chooses to compare Apple's conduct to that of AT&T before it was broken up in 1982 after an eight-year legal battle with the US Justice Departmen

Actually AT&T were long in the sights of one arm of the US Government who favoured break up of the telecoms giant. However the Department of Defence and the intelligence arms (CIA, NSA etc.) opposed this and were successful. The reason they were so against breaking up AT&T was because the company was so important to the national security and defence.

Bouncing cheques or a bouncy landing? All in a day's work for the expert pilot

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Re: Serial to VGA? All you need is an adapter!

I knew someone who took that a step further and actually wired up the mains plug, then plugged it in. It was for his DECT phone base, which unsurprisingly never worked again.

Can’t remember the brand but it might be BT who have an odd power supply plug going into the base station. It looks like an RJ10 but has the top retaining clip to one side not in the centre. It’s also coloured red as is the port on the base station it’s supposed to fit into. However this also acts as a red rag to a bull in some cases.

I was asked to go round and help a friend of my parents who was having difficulty with her new cordless phone. I inspected the device, the power cord and spotted the retaining clip on the red power connector was broken off. She confessed she’d broken it off because it didn’t fit into the “hole” on the base station. So having plugged the power into the phone cable port it hadn’t worked and the power cord unsurprisingly fell straight out.

I told her in future red to red on the cables and never to alter the plugs in any way if they didn’t fit. Also said that this base station was probably buggered. It certainly didn’t work for connection to the phone network after that. I said she shouldn’t use it just in case it had damaged something that caused a fire later on. Told her to buy a new phone with base station and another charger station too. Then she could have another phone elsewhere in the house.

Internet Society condemns UK's Online Safety Bill for demonising encryption using 'think of the children' tactic

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Re: So, 0.2% eh ?

Back when BSB and their Squariel was a thing they had a messaging system that was to be built into their box. So for example the company could wish an individual subscriber a Happy Birthday on their special day. As the Independent Broadcasting Authority licensee for direct to home satellite broadcasting the company was invited to ‘submit’ their equipment to GCHQ for review.

GCHQ said that the BSB encryption was too good and would prevent interception of these messages by their good selves. So it was weakened I believe because BSB being the licensee they had to comply and couldn’t just say no.

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Re: If THEY have nothing to hide

I preferred it when politicians were using pagers the messages for those were/are broadcast unencrypted. https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/unforgivable-the-privacy-breach-that-exposed-sensitive-details-of-wa-s-virus-fight-20200720-p55dsm.html

Even better they have to be broadcast everywhere in the because the pagers* were just receivers and had no return path. So to guarantee that the recipient got the message wherever they were it had to be broadcast nationwide. So somebody in Birmingham could receive (with a very limited amount of equipment) messages sent to MPs at their conference in Brighton.

UK Home Secretary Priti Patel green-lights Mike Lynch's extradition to US to face Autonomy fraud charges

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Re: It seems simple to me

He should hire Assange’s solicitors.

or

He should consider getting temporary dementia as somebody ot other did a couple of decades or so ago. Can’t remember his name or trial case but it may have been the Guinness thing. It’s Friday, am in the pub and can’ be arsed to look it up.

Ernest Saunders is the bloke you’re thinking of I believe and yes that was the Guinness share manipulation scheme. He served under a year of his sentence because he was “suffering from Alzheimer’s. Weirdly he made a full recovery from this normally 100% fatal disease.

HPE has 'substantially succeeded' in its £3.3bn fraud trial against Autonomy's Mike Lynch – judge

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Re: Absolutely ourageous

I still remember an auditor's request: "You bought a DEC Fortran compiler this year. Show it to me."

I was asked to show the auditor the many ”Delboxvend” listed on the stock report. Not very impressed to find out that referred to Delivery Box from Vendor and the whole load were at the warehouse. She also didn’t like that they were listed as zero cost and asked why we kept the bloody things anyway.