183 posts • joined 13 Feb 2012
Re: 4 Lane Privacy Highway
Apple don't need to sniff their customers' data but they are happy to in the pursuit of profits.
When promoting their iAD advertising platform, they bragged that they knew what apps customers use, how and when they use them.
Advertisers were able to target punters based on age, gender, location, income, previous advert engagement.
Re: Apples and Oranges
Erm, apple do data harvest.
They used to brag to prospective advertisers that-
"iAd is part of Apple, and we know Apple users, all 800 million of them.
We know what apps and other items content they downloaded and we know how and when they use it."
Apple and Google seem to forget that it was third party apps that made their devices desirable in the first place.
Ever noticed that the pre-release reviews are always more positive than those written when the products have arrived in the shops.
Apple only dole out pre-release products to news outlets on the understanding that they will be wasted 5 out of 5 stars.
The Guardian made the mistake of honestly reviewing an iPad, giving it 3.5 stars and have been blacklisted by Apple ever since.
Re: No, No... It's The Liquid Sensors
Not sure about their laptops but sometime ago 3M warned Apple that the liquid sensors in the iphone could give false positives when the weather is humid.
Apple decided that it was financially prudent to ignore the sensor manufacturer's advice.
Re: Oops...to late? I think Apple just burned the last bridge completely
Works OK but does not receive security updates...
Probably fine assuming that it doesn't have internet access...
Re: Er, this Doesn't Really Fix the Problem...
AFAIK, they will only repair Macs that are less than 4 years old and I imagine that they will find some way of weaseling out of many repairs- citing 3rd screen replacements or scratches on the lid, insisting that keyboard faults are constant rather than intermittent, etc.
You don't get to be the richest firm in the world by being good guys.
Re: Apple's never been an honest player
Actually Apple said that Macs couldn't get PC viruses. You are correct though, they have a history of telling porkies and intentionally misleading people. They continued the virus BS until the ASA slapped them down for saying that Gatekeeper kept users safe from harm. The ASA pointed out that it had falled to protect some 600,000 Mac users from the Flashback drive by.
Apple promptly replaced the word safe with safer.
Re: I think Apple will fix this
On the face of it did sound reasonable but according to the BBC Apple have been going to great lengths to charge customers for unrelated or even imaginary "damage".
Re: Useless Apple
"There is still an elegance in the offerings from the Church of Jobs but having ascended to meet his own maker, the money-lenders entered the temple and now there is no one to cast them out."
Jesus wept- are you really blaming it on a Zionist conspiracy? Personally I see it as little more than the Reality Distortion field being weaker since Jobs kicked the bucket.
"Apple makes much of the fact that its business model doesn't require it to aggregate personal data as Google does"
Or- Apple makes healthy enough profits to negate the need to sniff customers' data but is so fecking greedy that they do it for fun.
What was iAds? Apple bragged that they knew what apps punters used, when they used them and how they used them. They even let advertisers target ifans based upon the muzak that they listened to.
Apple might not be as intrusive as Google or MS but they are the kings of sleight of hand and mass bullshit.
I am waiting for them to release the iSofa. A 2.252 person seater that syphons away the lose change that falls out of your pockets each night.
But Apple invented the smartphone...
Qualcomm r bias.
Apple invented the touchscreen smartphone, hell, they even told the courts that when they first sued Samesung for stealing their revolutionary rectangle with rounded corners.
"Apple revolutionized the telecommunications industry in 2007 when it introduced
the wildly popular iPhone... Before the iPhone, cell phones were utilitarian devices with key pads for dialing and small, passive display screens that did not allow for touch control. The iPhone was radically different."
Page 2 line 8 https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/373840-apple-v-samsung-complaint.html
And NO I don't want anyone to tell me that the firm that repeatedly tells us that pay every cent of tax owed and only set up shop in Jersey because they love the potatoes would tell porkies.
Knowing that you are innocent is no guarantee that you won't end up with a criminal record which might potentially ruin your life.
I hope that he sues them. It must have been incredibly stressful.
Re: "Cupertino idiot-tax operation"
"Poor journalism supported by bad editorship. Brings El Reg down to the level of The Sun, The Star, or The Daily Mail."
I think that you will find that the Sun, Star and Mail would never mock Apple for fear of being blacklisted by Cupertino.
The Guardian have been blacklisted ever since they gave the ipad mini 3 out of 5 stars.
Computer Bild since they showed how easy it was to fold the bendy iPhone in half.
The Reg? It was suggested that their crime was taking the piss out of Jobs' receding hairline.
Perhaps some of the memes are tired but at least this organ is consistent in their refusal to treat any tech firm as a cult.
Oh, so "patent trolls" are bad, firms with very deep pockets that patent the obvious are good?
Patents have a value, why shouldn't they be sold by the holder to third parties, regardless of whether those third parties are trolls or not? In the case of patent trolls, they are simply trying to grab a slice of someone else's profit. Isn't that preferable to firms that try to use patents as an excuse to prevent other firms from actually selling products.
Surely the crux of the problem is the ease with which firms can gain patents when they are obvious or where the applicant decides to ignore prior art?
An example that springs to mind is "slide to unlock". Apple persisted to use it as a stick to beat competitors with even though they would have been aware that the Neonode NM1 had it years before.
It is difficult to sympathise with apple given their frequent and repeated abuses of the patent system. Lets not forget that they are currently using Qualcomm's IP and refusing to pay a single bean even though they had previously agreed the terms.
"Targeted advertising should be banned and the advertising industry can go to hell"
Erm ever heard of iAd, Apple used to brag to advertisers that only knew what apps users had, how they used them, what music they listen to, their ages, gender, and so on.
They have now given up on iAd but they still sniff your data to sell App Store advertising.
Whilst I applaud Apple for tackling the cookie issue, they are being hypocritical. You can only take the higher moral ground once you stop spying on your own customers, refusing to let other people make money out of your cash cows is far from being virtuous.
And yes, Google and MS are just as bad.
Apple have been storing Chinese customers' data in China for years. In an effort to appease the Chinese government they migrated customer data over to state owned China Telecom long before it was a legal requirement.
spot the difference-
"The addition of this data centre will allow us to improve the speed and reliability of our products and services" Apple 2017
"We have added China Telecom to our list of data center providers to increase bandwidth and improve performance for our customers" Apple 2014
Re: They actually respect user's privacy.
Oh, so they introduced the iAD platform just because they wanted to make sure that their customers received a better class of targeted adverts?
In an effort to monetize their customers, Apple bragged to advertisers that they knew more about their customers than anyone else, knowing what apps they have, how and when they used them and allowed them to be targeted by age, gender, income and even the music that they listen to.
Google's business model is dependant on spying on customers. Google provide free services and make their customers the product. Apple charge their customers a premium, and then make them the product.
Sure, Apple have given up on iAd but they are now focusing on app store advertising.
If only Ikea's AR app showed you the hidden shortcuts in their stores...
Re: Smartphones are approaching the threshold PCs had been in about a decade earlier
The Note 7 didn't catch fire because of the processor speed or iris scanner. It had a battery design flaw.
Re: Time enough to find another phone to video the first ?
She was with her boyfriend. I would imagine that his phone was used to film the burning iphone.
Re: Click Bait.
Any media outlook that uses the term thickness to describe the depth of an iPhone is unlikely to get much Cupertino love.
The approved term is "thinness", as in 6.9mm thin.
Re: Click Bait.
I guess that the staff from the Reg and the Graun can find a pub in London and have a pint whilst they stream the footage of the launch.
Re: Some men just want to watch the world burn...
"The vast majority of cracks flag false positives on anti-virus softwares. I've never had a single issue with cracks, and each one triggered the anti virus."
I suspect that Adobe/MS/whoever pay the AV firms to flag crack and serial number generators as being malware.
Much like they refused to flag and remove the porn/gambling related Micro Bill System hi-jackware. In the early days, the AV vendors were worried that flagging it would result in them being sued by MBS (AKA Platte Media).
From memory, the only off the shelf AV package that would remove MBS was the paid for version of Prevx.
Re: Does using metal instead of plastic actually make sense?
My Vaio Z11 was more expensive than a MacBook Pro and it was made out of plastic.
Admittedly, it was carbon fibre rater than recycled coke cans.
Re: How many of you do this sort of weekly maintenance??
I have never owned a phone that needs a protective cover.
I have never owned an iPhone.
Re: Why do people buy non-Apple products?
Other than pinch to zoom, what could you do on an iphone that you couldn't already do on something like the 5" HTC Athena?
Nothing. In fact you could do far more on the HTC.
And seriously.. Karta Sutanto's post is bollocks.
"The iphone was the first phone with a big screen?"- It had a 3.5" screen, I had a 3.5" HTC Blue Angel in 2004, in Feb 2007 I had a 5" screen.
"It was the first phone with bundled data"- my 5" HTC had unlimited 3.5G data. The iPhone was GPRS.
All Karta is right about is multi-touch, but how often do people actually rotate images. I suspect that swiping and double tap to zoom are the most frequently used gestures, and both of those existed before tha iphone.
Re: Why do people buy non-Apple products?
Sure, no one had ever used a grid'o'icons before Apple...
It is true that the iPhone was the first to use multitouch, however it was not the first to support finger gestures such as swiping and double tapping.
Multitouch, pinch to zoom, etc had been demonstrated by Jeff Han a year earlier and Jazz Mutant were selling their Lemur multitouch music controller two or three years before the iphone was released.
Other than mutlitouch iOS the iphone wasn't all that different to the other touchscreen phones back in 2007.
Indeed, one has to wonder to what extent the jury were swayed by Apple's whopping porkie-pie about being the first to release a touchscreen smartphone.
Re: If Sammy stole round corners from Apple, who did Apple steal straight sides from???
The 2003 HP TC1100 tablet had rounded corners as well
TBF to Apple, they did cite it as prior art in one of their patent applications.
Re: Rounded corners
Sorry but the rounded corners also applied to the shape of the device.
"The iPhone is radically different from the devices that preceded it. It has a
distinctive shape and appearance—a flat rectangular shape with rounded corners, a metallic edge,
a large display screen bordered at the top and bottom with substantial black segments, and a
selection of colorful square icons with rounded corners that mirror the rounded corners of the
iPhone itself, and which are the embodiment of Apple’s innovative iPhone user interface"
It is true that Samsung used rounded corners on their icons but those corners were much less rounded. Apple argued that many of the samsung icons looked like Apple's, eg the use of a handset at a 45 degree angle for the phone app and the use of a cog for the settings app. IIRC they also complained about the boxes that Samsung sold their devices in and the use of "rubber banding" when you scroll to the end of a page.
I suspect that Apple fell for their own marketing, they even told the court that they had invented touchscreen smartphones.
"Before the iPhone, cell phones were utilitarian devices with key pads for dialing and
small, passive display screens that did not allow for touch control."
Re: Weigh the coins
"Interestingly, the subway booth attendants in NY could and would reject attempts to pay in large numbers of coins back in '84. Not sure how that worked, and private businesses always have the right to reject payment when the payee is buggering about"
Here in the Uk the ticket machines on the tube will reject your payment if you try to use more than 20(?) coins. I believe that it is a function of the escrow hopper tray being inadequately small.
"Fentem created the multitouch technology essential to modern touchscreen interfaces"
Fentem tells us that the was working on multi-touch back in 2002. He provides a link to a video from 2007 in which he demonstrates his 2003/2004 multi-touch prototype music controller.
Although I have no reason to doubt Mr Fentem, according to other pioneers, such as Bill Buxton, Fentem failed to publish anything that demonstrated his early work.
If Buxton is correct, then how can Fentem have influenced the development of early multi-touch devices?
AFAIK the first commercial product to offer 10 point multi-touch support was the 2003/4 JazzMutant Lemur music controller.
Did Fentem work with JazzMutant, did JazzMutant have access to Fentem's work?
Re: IIRC, it was Cisco
Indeed, Cisco still owns the rights to the names iPhone and iOS (in the USA).
Re: Apple invented everything...
"The weak spot for Microsoft was that it decided to run telephony in the application layer. This meant that any problem with the OS would result in telephony being lost....
Symbian provided a telephone which could function as a computer. The telephony was a low-level service and even if the OS crashed completely you could still make and receive calls. Apple adopted the same architecture, interface and telephony are low level services which are difficult to kill."
Sorry, but if iOS (or symbian) crashes you cannot make calls.
In what capacity were you evaluating phones in 2002?
I cannot recall ever seeing a Windows Mobile blue screen.It would hang from time to time, but it never blue screened.
Re: Invention of iPhone
"The fixed price data tariff was - to me - the biggest innovation".
In my experience, the iphone killed the "all you can eat" fixed price data tariffs
I purchased a HTC Athena (T-Mobile Ameo) on a T-Mobile-Web and Walk contract in Feb 2007. I had unlimited 3.5G access (including tethering) and fixed call minutes/texts.
When it was time to upgrade, I was told that iphone 3G users were using too much data and that T-Mobile were no longer offering unlimited internet access.
Re: did much the same in the US
Contrary to the tone of the article. Here in the UK, if you go to someone like the CarPhone Warehouse and purchase a handset, more often than not, it will network independent, even if you purchased it as a contract phone. The iPhone will lock itself to the first SIM card that is inserted.
Yeah, Apple really stuck two fingers up to the networks.
And how long did it take apple to allow the iPhone to tether?
I had tethering back in 2002- on a Nokia
"I think the biggest single point is that Apple saw the "phone" as a computer that made calls, while most others saw it as a phone that could do the odd bit of computer work. As Andrew pointed out, the main "customers" of Nokia, etc, were the mobile networks and they were adverse to anything that would *use* those networks to any useful degree and with poor bit rates we had WAP to make it usable, but that was really a misery to use."
The iPhone was yet another in a line of PDAs with phone functions.
Vodafone sold VDA touchscreen smartphones.
O2 sold XDA touchscreen smartphones.
Orange sold SPV touchscreen smartphones.
T-Mobile sold MDA touchscreen smartphones.
Everyone of those Windows Mobile devices had (data hungry) HTML browsers (WM never had a native WAP browser)...
And let's not forget that iOS did not start outselling Windows Mobile until late 2009 (and within a year Android was outselling iOS).
Orlowski- have you been possessed by Charles Arthur?
I recall him writing a similar article when he was the Vicar and Defender of the Faith at the Guardian.
He too tried to argue that the iphone was a democratising force for good. And he too decided to overlook the contribution of the likes of Windows Mobile and Palm. I guess that it is difficult to acknowledge their existence when trying to argue that the iPhone was unique and super high spec.
The uncomfortable truth was that it wasn't as simple as the iPhone Vs WAP devices. Windows Mobile never even had a WAP browser, it shipped with Internet Explorer and by the time the iphone was released, there were 5" phones with Opera's tabbed HTML browser and much higher specifications than the iphone. HTC had already developed TouchFlo which allowed users to scroll, tap and swipe with their fingers.
We are asked to believe that the Telcos didn't want people using data greedy devices but here in the UK, O2 offered the XDA range, Orange the SPV and T-Mobile the MDA.. 4 months before the iPhone was released T-Mobile offered the 5" T-Mobile Ameo for £118 on a £45pm contract that included unlimited 3G access (with tethering). IIRC the only firm that didn't offer unlimited access was O2 who introduced their service in Oct 2007.
However within a couple of years, about the same time as the iphone was becoming popular, all of the networks (bar 3) dropped unlimited access.I, for one, could now no longer stream Hulu (Flash) to my phone with impunity.
I get that you like the iPhone but please stop with the revisionism.
Re: OK Google, what's the closing time of nearest supermarket?
I once asked an American waitress for "another beer please" and was given an empty plate...
Re: Of course they didnt invent it, but made is so much better
"What Apple did is instantly obsolete all the "special web page" stuff that had been previously required. "Pinch to zoom" with the multi-touch capacitive screen was the game-changer. And Apple had to have that so you could connect to the various WiFi networks that were starting to become available."
My 5" HTC Athena shipped with Opera's multi-tabbed HTML browser (and even had Flash support). Oh and my earlier HTCs had WiFi back in 2004.
Windows Mobile didn't support multi-touch but it did support double tap to zoom and swiping before the iPhone was released.
Re: I am puzzled by the premise of this article
"The only time I've ever seen reference to Apple having invented the smartphone, is people saying "You know Apple didn't invent the smartphone right?!""-
Erm, Apple told the courts that they invented touch screen smartphones...
"Before the iPhone, cell phones were utilitarian devices with key pads for dialing and
small, passive display screens that did not allow for touch control."
- source https://www.apple.com/pr/pdf/110415samsungcomplaint.pdf
Lack of detail
Why is there mention of the fact that Nokia recently acquired some of the patents from Alcatel-Lucent.and Nokia Siemens Networks?
How do you know that Android and Windows makers are not already paying licence fees?
Re: How is Nokia a patent troll?
Erm, the iPhone has 4 physical buttons.
I suspect that you are suggesting that the iPhone was the first to ditch dedicated physical dial/hang up buttons. It wasn't.
My 5" HTC Athena didn't have them on the phone's body and IIRC the Neonide N1 didn't either.
Mass market uptake?
The iPhone didn't start outselling Windows Mobile until early 2009.
I have always wondered if Apple used the iTunes VAT as a bargaining chip.
For years, all iTunes purchases throughout europe carried the higher 23% Irish VAT.
In the meantime the likes of MS and Google applied the VAT rate applicable in the country of purchase.
"I can't help thinking that if these women have fingernails that mean they can't select a date from the sliders they are likely to face wider problems than that with any capacitive touch screen device unless they use some kind of stylus."
Some of the Nokia Lumias had super sensitive screens that would allow you to use a finger nail rather than the fleshy part of your finger. They even worked with standard gloves.
I do wish someone would ask Cook why iTunes, registered in the pseudo tax haven of Luxembourg used to charge all EU customers the higher Irish VAT rate of 23%. Doubtless he would say that the servers were based in Ireland.
However if I buy something from the MS or Google store, I am taxed UK VAT and AFAIK their servers are based in Ireland as well.
I wonder if they used all of that lovely VAT to sway the Irish Taxman.
Re: Comparison Off
AFAIK the chip was only required for communication, not charging.
It would be illegal for a 3rd party to design their own chip. They have to licence them from Apple.So yes anyone is free to make accessories, provided that they pay Apple. So it ain't free..
My leads were only used for charging and there is no evidence that they were dangerous.
Re: The Garden Walls Keep Me Out Anyway