* Posts by codejunky

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US commerce bosses view EU rules as threat to its clouds

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Re: "ensure that non-EU suppliers cannot access the EU market on an equal footing"

@John Brown (no body)

"Fog in The Channel. Europe cut off!"

I am amused at how often this is brought up. That the holy land cant seem to do any wrong no matter what.

"Maybe it's not the EU that is cutting itself off from the US, but the actions and refusal to act on privacy that is gradually isolating the US from the rest of the world."

Possibly but- "The statement filed by 13 industry associations, including the US Chamber of Commerce, Japan’s Association of New Economy, and the Latin American Internet Association"

"But at least it shows the US is isn't a homogenous nation of data gatherers."

To be honest I consider it a strength that the US isnt homogeneous but each state being able to play to its strengths.

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@stiine

"I suggest that the EU is just adding a new law to the existing list."

I didnt say it wasnt. Only responding to how the EU is cutting itself off more and more.

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@Adair

"Feel free to take up the argument with Lars on a private thread."

Why? My suggestion was so you look less of a twit. Take the advice or leave it.

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@Adair

"You comparing apples to oranges: EU ~ China"

But a valid criteria based on the criteria as I understood it. Look at the response from Lars and my further response.

"The OP compared the US and EU pops, where clearly other socio-economic factors are broadly similar."

I would prefer clarification from Lars (which he has added below) as he knows what he is trying to explain to me.

"It's a very destructive form of arguing, usually described as being 'obtuse', or 'wilfully missing the point'."

If you have nothing to add I would suggest you butt out or have your own train of thought for discussion. I dont know how Lars feels about it but I dont think he needs your hand up his arse pretending you are the one doing the speaking.

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Re: Oh noes! So we may have to get our own cloud services up and running...

@mpi

"...thus kickstarting a domestic cloud industry"

That wouldnt be able to compete with the outside world. Either more expensive, less capable, worse service, etc.

"creating god-knows-how-many jobs"

Who could be doing other things that are productive. Maybe on a more competitive CLOUD provider.

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@Lars

"And no I did not equate population with status but with business, with money."

It seems your point wasnt clear or I missed it. Either way population size does not determine businesses with money (see China/India example). Or that the EU is a shrinking portion of the worlds wealth as there is more growth to be had outside of it. To more people.

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@heyrick

"Downvote because, no, it's not reasonable that you take information that I have provided to you (for supplying your service to me) and sell it to any third party"

Why? There was an interesting argument a while back about how facebook should pay the users for their data. Turned out the data was practically worthless individually, its the seriously huge dataset and then being able to process over such a large dataset that has value. The same applies in medicine when dealing with rare issues in which sample size of a country may not even be enough.

I would say it is more about balance and that balance is not something in stone and identical per country (or in the US even state).

"And that is that information placed into "the cloud" can no longer be considered private."

I do agree. I am not a 'cloud' fan but others have managed success based on cloud tech. Especially for those of limited means needing to rent larger resources.

"If you were a company making widgets, and all your designs were CAD files and PDFs held on a server that happened to be located in America, how do you know this stuff wasn't copied into a USB key and handed to a local competitor?"

That would be the same scenario as outsourcing to China. Where they copied designs and ideas etc. And through sheer determination they only recently managed to manufacture the nib of a ball point pen.

"Couple this with a regime generally hostile to the concept of personal privacy and all the secrecy of The Patriot Act"

UK anti terror legislation went too far too. The idea that European countries are not spying is amusing. Germany got in a tizz over NSA spying only when the NSA listened to Merkels calls, after helping the NSA access the infrastructure!

"This isn't the EUs problem to fix, it's America's. Get ready for Schrems III."

That is one belief. I just wonder if the EU is going to be cutting itself off as it has a lot more to lose.

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@Adair

"Oh boy, with a response like that you merely confirm everyone's suspicions; not that there isn't overwhelming evidence already. [sigh]"

I have absolutely no idea what you are on about. Lars for some reason seemed (unless I misunderstood) to be equating population with status. I was responding to that. I could use India as an example too. What is your issue?

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Re: "ensure that non-EU suppliers cannot access the EU market on an equal footing"

@Adair

Not sure why you think I am disingenuous, I entirely agree with your comment. That sounds very much like the market approach and real world approach we all use day to day.

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@Roland6

"Good luck trying to enforce that one."

About as successful as policing GDPR I would expect.

"Remember the US companies are merely complaining that someone else is setting the rules and that complying with them will cost them money - life is so unfair..."

That is true, I do agree. It is the trade off of tighter regulation vs freedom to grow. The more money, complexity and restriction of an activity reduces exploration in that activity. Growth comes from increased activity. But the very valid flip side as you and others are mentioning is the protection of the people. It depends where countries (and the EU) are willing to make that cut.

"If the kid wants to sell their product in the market then they will need to comply with the regulations. Bureaucracy only gets involved when that requires filling out lots of pointless forms, waiting on bureaucrats and jumping through hoops - ie. what the UK government created when it proposed the Brexit NI protocol...."

No argument with any of that. I agree

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@Lars

"One can actually point out that Europe is about twice to the USA in population."

China's population is larger than Europes. Even when they were mostly in poverty and isolating with the Communist bloc's

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Re: "ensure that non-EU suppliers cannot access the EU market on an equal footing"

@ThatOne

"I think that if I give you (codejunky) my PI because you offer me a service requiring it, I have a reasonable expectation that you don't resell it to world & dog"

Kind of but not necessarily. It is reasonable that it is not sold on for illegal purposes. Using the data to personalise a service (e.g. adverts) sounds reasonable. An attempt to show more of what you are interested in (some success and failure in this). I might offer a service but you dont need to take the service I offer, and often there are alternatives available.

"People can't be expected to hire a lawyer each time they need to create an online account."

That is very true. Just as to provide a service shouldnt be so buried in legalese to offer. The kid churning out his idea shouldnt be squashed by the weight of bureaucracy.

"This article somehow assumes that Europe did at some point have competitors to Facebook, Twitter et al."

Actually it states (early on) that the document notes Europe doesnt have such companies and attempts to deliver by policy has failed. I think it was the mobile market it focused on the EU having then losing.

"Well, I'm not aware of any EU attempts to create a competitor to Facebook or Twitter, so protectionism isn't really required here, is it."

I can understand not hearing about them but thats due to a lack of success-

https://crast.net/45799/the-european-union-already-has-its-own-version-of-twitter-and-youtube/

"They don't have a lot of things other countries might have, ancient pyramids for instance... :-p"

Dont give them ideas :)

"(Didn't downvote you once again.)"

Dont worry about it. I aint downvoting yours either. Just people unwilling or unable to join the discussion. I appreciate your discussion though

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@ThatOne

"Seriously, your argument is disingenuous at best. It's colonialism to say those countries should actually feel honored we bother stealing their resources"

I dont think my argument is disingenuous, I think you misunderstand the situation. You say stealing. Who is stealing? First nobody is being deprived of their information and second people freely choose if they wish to share it or not. If you choose to give me your name I have not stolen it from you and also you choose to give me your name. Just as you can choose not to.

"Cutting yourself off Facebook and Twitter might be a service to humanity."

Very possibly. But the green eyes of the EU is not a secret and their recent flop didnt go well- https://gizmodo.com/metaverse-eu-virtual-party-avatars-1849840311

*didnt downvote you either

I expect it is the continuation of isolating itself in protectionism. Hoping they can make an equivalent successful business to rival the US businesses. Personally I think it foolish as continuing to copy US successes when people should be left to find future success.

https://www.aei.org/technology-and-innovation/the-eus-failed-innovation-policy-offers-lessons-for-the-us/

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Re: "ensure that non-EU suppliers cannot access the EU market on an equal footing"

@Pascal Monett

"No, they are designed to ensure that EU data stays in the EU.

If you don't like it, tough. That's the way the ball is rolling now and you're not going to stop it."

Roll on the new iron curtain. The EU cutting itself off from the world one bit at a time.

Google frees nifty ML image-compression model... but it's for JPEG-XL

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@Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells

"Bloody hell, I know El Reg has shifted to the left, but the idea that jobs should be preserved at the expense of productivity is insane. What is this, 1811?"

I think they lost a lot when they lost Tim Worstall.

Elon Musk to abused Twitter users: Your tormentors are coming back

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@Mooseman

"No, stop doing your usual self-congratulatory guff."..."Yes it's been warmer in the UK in the past, and colder"

Dont have a strop, you were wrong thats all. It happens.

"To simply deny that things are happening by repeating the same tautological phrases is childish."

Who is denying things are happening? You made a statement not backed by relevant evidence and I called it out. Thats all. For it to upset you so much is unnecessary.

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@graeme leggett

"Incomplete temperature records are better than no records."

Did I say it wasnt? Trying to tell me what normal is based on an insignificant data set doesnt fly with me (which is the point I made to Mooseman before you stepped in).

"Such as those not left by Romans"

Damn so again the dataset is very limited. Thanks for reiterating my point.

"and since grapes were grown in UK in 19th century too that's a bit of a dent in the "it was OK in the past, so it'll be OK in the future" fallacy part of your statement."

Erm, derp. That I poked holes in the poor quality of data and you are poking holes in the low quality of data.... cmon you can get there!

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@graeme leggett

"So you're not very accurate yourself."

Erm, piecemeal records stitched together but not standardised nor necessarily nationwide. But go on with your not very accurate data...

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@Mooseman

"more extreme weather (40 C + in the UK is not "summer" for example)"

UK records starting in 1914. Little over 100 years of data to make an extreme claim. For example grapes were commonly grown in the south of England when the Romans used it for wine making.

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@DryBones

"Know what'd be better than and stop the hysterics?

Action. Actual, effective, decisive, action."

On what?

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@Elongated Muskrat

"I think you just proved my point about false equivalence"

I think you proved my point about bias. I said hysterics over climate change. I didnt say anything about the science.

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@Elongated Muskrat

"If you want to equate established peer-reviewed climate science with hysterical rhetoric from racists, you go right ahead."

Think you just proved their point on a lack of middle ground. Hysterics over climate and hysterics over immigration being hysterics regardless of your bias.

Britain has likely missed the boat for having a semiconductor industry

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Re: Add it to the pile

@anonymous boring coward

"Some specifics perhaps?"

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/happiness/European-union/

Also one of the least racist countries in the world. 6th largest economy. 9th largest per capita PPP-

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-per-capita-ppp

Top ranking universities competing with only the US until Switzerland ranks 11-

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking

"Your view goes against all statistics and expert knowledge."

Do go on

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@rg287

"No. They're not. The people want energy security and affordable housing"

Since when? People wanted green energy, which included not fracking for the gas we need and stopping nuclear from being developed. And who wants affordable housing? Its all about protecting the green belts and making things more restrictive and difficult i.e expensive.

"They want public transport."

Do they? Only if it is subsidised and not their problem, otherwise nope.

"British governments have withheld investment for all these things for decades"

Except the govs (labour and tory) have blown loads on energy investment into those glorious monuments to a sky god. People are complaining about housing not being up to higher spec's and wanting to attack the rental market, which of course pushes up the price. So on it goes.

"They have cut back healthcare, policing and social services."

By shoving more money at them? The NHS for example keeps being shoved money and they still complain. The UK pays about OECD average for healthcare and gets a worse result. But people want the NHS, they love the under-performing institution. Police are funded more than in 2010 before it started to come down a little bit before rising again. The department of health and social care has seen rising payments especially over covid.

"withheld the revenue power they needed to fund capital infrastructure."

Thurrock council takes exception to the infrastructure claim- https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/politics-isnt-a-good-way-to-do-things

"They were promised a better future"

They can be promised a unicorn it doesnt matter. This is why they need to be asked about what they propose and then honestly look at the trade offs. Such as when they all spout green credentials, you know we wont have energy. They promise to build more homes, will they be removing the regs that get in the way of house building? The commies promised a better future, you need to use your brains that their plans are insane and dont work.

People got what they wanted. Years and years into decades of what they wanted. If they dont like it they need to rethink their opinions. Government keeps spending more, we have high taxation, the public sector ever increases and people complain about how public services are run. It isnt correlation there its causation.

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@Elongated Muskrat

"China can start shipping their polluting industries back here again"

I thought polluting industries were supposed to be bad? That we were trying to eliminate them for the sake of the world? Are you suggesting the people were sold a lie and that these industries were just sent to other countries because we still want and need those products? Thats one way to upset the green movement.

And as this is about manufacturing the semiconductors we need are you saying that the US and EU with their 'chips' subsidies are encouraging polluting industries into their territories to the detriment of their people? As I said further up in the comments its a good job we dont go that route!

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@anonymous boring coward

"Do you even live in the UK?"

Yes

"And if so, have you been to the continent?"

Yes

"UK is famous for its poor standard of living. It's tiny damp houses. We even have slumlord caused deaths now. Friggin victorian."

Which is scary how much better that standard is than some of the other countries!

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@anonymous boring coward

"The problem is what little we get out of it. Piss-poor standard of living for a majority. Piss-poor infrastructure and amenities."

Really? Piss poor standard of living for a majority? Which country are you talking about? The infrastructure and amenities are what the people want.

"Seems that riches are siphoned off to some elite class -no?"

No

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The answer to the report should be "go away". The US is pumping money into fabs, the EU is too, Asia also. Sounds like grifters wanting money, not a sensible proposal.

UK cuts China from Sizewell nuclear project, takes joint stake

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Re: Green Madness?

@LionelB

"so you pleaded pedantry."

Not at all. There are some people who believe the earth is flat. There are those who believe the earth is round. There are those who believe it an ellipsoid. The problem with the climate change debate is the lumping of those who believe it is an ellipsoid with those who believe the world is flat because they dont say the world is a perfect sphere.

"And no, I don't wish to rehash an interminable, circular and unedifying debate we've already had."

Yet again you post to say you wont post. FYI it is as amusing as telling someone randomly that you are not talking to them. You could just not respond to me, especially if the experience was so bad.

"Why would I? Why would you, for that matter?"

I discuss to learn and inform. The exchange of views and information which increases my knowledge and hopefully increases others.

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Re: Green Madness?

@LionelB

"Disingenuous"

Why? He asked I answered. Does the climate change? Yes. I dont think you are going to deny the climate changes are you?

"Now let's talk about time scales of climate change, and drivers behind climate change (or rather, let's not... I seem to recall we've been there already)."

So to sum up your comment- *waaa waaa* lets discuss *waaa waaa* no lets not discuss. I guess you are confused

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Re: Green Madness?

@AC

I dont know why you would want to post that as a coward. Your comment seems somewhat reasonable enough to not be the usual troll.

"I guess that you are a climate change denier"

No. I accept the climate changes, it always has and for as long as there is one it will.

"I have invested in technology to keep my lights on in the event of these cuts. I can go off-grid for 2-3 days with ease. If I add in the power from my EV then that can be 7-10 days. I have 66kWh of home battery installed."

Good for you. Sounds like nice planning. I assume you are American so you wont be as affected as here in the UK but that might not be a bad set up here (although I wouldnt recommend an EV personally). We are looking at blackouts and high energy prices because of green madness where idiots stopped thinking (not climate change denying or anything) and decided not to build electricity generation but instead made monuments to a sky god.

Seriously. We have had a couple of decades of heavy green madness investment pushing up energy prices in the good times and now making them cripplingly bad. All for green madness. All of our prices have gone up for pretty much everything because of this expense and schools even consider doing only 3 day weeks. Because of green madness. No other excuse, it is entirely down to the lack of energy generation. A deliberate choice due to green madness. Not sensible decisions of generating energy yet considering the ideas of MMCC theory but instead making monuments.

That is completely insane.

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@Androgynous Cupboard

"I know how you just love to agree with the EU, but gas really, really is a fossil fuel."

The point is the misleading comment I responded to. Yes gas is a fossil fuel. But fossil fuels is not gas. Just because one has shot up in price does not mean all fossil fuels have quadrupled in price.

As for the EU, they have little choice. The green madness stands on natural gas. Without it the entire monuments to a sky god idea fails.

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@Fonant

"But batteries can be used more than once."

Thats fine but how does that help?

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@SkippyBing

"For natural gas no, it appears to be worse."

He didnt say for gas he said fossil fuels. And we do have natural gas under our feet we could extract should we wish (without saying we should or not).

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@Aitor 1

"We should have batteries for these cases, but of course that is expensive. Not as expensive as fossil fuels, but they aren't free."

Batteries are more expensive than fossil fuels

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@LionelB

"The point is that when the wind is blowing—which is much of the time in (various parts of) these isles—that gas back-up is not being used so much, meaning we need less of it, which saves us money. Even "unreliable" energy is useful."

Now lets test that 'theory' with reality. Before the war our focus on monuments instead of power generation resulted in ever increasing energy prices. The boon of cheaper energy and saving us money never happened, instead it cost us a lot more. Now the actual source of energy supply has gone up in price and limited in availability we are looking at blackouts and the price of everything shooting up. Seems the unreliable (you can skip the quotes around that) energy isnt so useful, its a cost.

"A broader point, though, is that, since our energy infrastructure is highly integrated and beholden to giant energy companies who (it seems) answer to no-one bar their shareholders, then at least at the consumer end if some fossil fuel (let's say gas) skyrockets in price, all energy costs, as we have seen, and regardless of the energy source, skyrocket with it."

Except that is not the case. Government interference to force their chosen solutions on us results in a lack of energy, extremely high prices and a load of monuments sitting around.

"Madness?"

Absolute and total

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@SkippyBing

"I don't think the answer to a quadrupling in the cost of fossil fuels is greater reliance on fossil fuels..."

But are fossil fuels quadrupling in price? And of course we get reliable energy, the thing we actually want. However we go about it we need to generate the energy we need. That part is non-negotiable. Monuments dont seem to be achieving it so rule themselves out as the answer unless someone can get them to work.

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On monday the National Grid came close to emergency blackouts thanks to low wind speeds. The concern is enough gas to supply the power those monuments dont. Of course it is a shock to see that the coal plants will remain open to provide the reliable energy we desperately need.

Yet still there will be some people under the influence of green madness!

Japanese convenience store chain opens outlet staffed by avatars and robots

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Re: "the company wants them to engage with customers rather than stay behind a cash register"

@Neil Barnes

"And if there are no other jobs suitable to the training and abilities of that person?"

I am amazed at how many people are too stupid and incapable of doing something else. For people with such disabilities we have a welfare system to protect them while most people can do other things.

Locked out of Horizon Europe, UK commits half a billion to post-Brexit research

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Re: "the UK remains open to association" @heyrick

@heyrick

"It's still always somebody else's fault."

When they did it yes. To say otherwise would be wrong. Didnt think that was difficult.

"Boris got elected to Get Brexit Done"

Which only shows how bad previous traitors were.

"He had at least six months he could have had pro Brexit people revise things"

Thats a stupid statement. So after May commits the UK to a bad agreement negotiated in bad faith and suffering severe interference from politicians with no right undermining negotiations you think brexiters should have revised that previous years of negotiations in 6 months. The only great material thing they could have done is bin the agreement from May. Very stupid statement.

"Soon, under the current plans, some four thousand bits of legislation may automatically be expired, with far too short a timeline to ensure there are equivalent rules for such minor things as employee rights."

Great. If there is too much legislation for the gov to process then there is too much legislation. Another layer of crap government on top does not improve things.

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Re: The brexit gift

@codejunky

Correction- "Just pointing to the smoke coming from your trousers but where did I say the EU DID steal vaccine?" should have said 'steal our vaccine' as per your claim

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Re: "the UK remains open to association" @heyrick

@gratou

"Which ones would that be exactly?"

May overruled the brexit negotiation team who were telling the EU where to stuff their stupid demands. After that point the negotiations were more 'flexible' to the crap we would accept. And Ireland is a great example of how that turned out.

"The Tories were always in power on a pro-Brexit agenda"

And yet this wasnt a party issue. The tories were split over brexit as was labour. Labours supporters were largely pro-brexit. The tories won on a pro-brexit agenda in the same way Blairs Labour won on a pro-referendum agenda (people seem to forget that).

"Exactly, the UK wants out of the Union but no borders."

Ok so we can agree on the UK's position.

"News flash: There can only be no borders if you're inside."

Actually even inside there was a border. Because ROI and NI are separate with their own laws.

"The current deal was the only one possible considering the Good Friday agreement"

And so if ROI under the direction of the EU wishes to inflict a hard border and that breaks the agreement then ROI is free to break the agreement if they wish. The UK of course being willing to sort out a trade deal but cant force it on ROI nor the EU.

"and the UK themselves inflicted the Irish sea border."

Which was the result of remain interference with the negotiations. There was no good to come from surrendering NI to the EU to inflict harm on them.

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Re: The brexit gift

@Dan 55

"So, apart from repeating your baseless shrill accusation that "nasty EU stole our vaccines" (hint: court found they didn't)"

Just pointing to the smoke coming from your trousers but where did I say the EU DID steal vaccine? They threatened to and the UK even agreed to share some of our allocation from a manufacturer in Holland.

"you're claiming that fewer people in the EU got vaccinated due to European leaders' propaganda (hint: there is increased clotting in certain age groups with the AZ vaccine)"

With the risk being less than the pill wasnt it? And wasnt Covid meant to be some world ending virus?

"however the the UK's vaccination level is hardly world beating"

Why must it be world beating? What is with the willy waving? But more to the point you dont seem to understand how irrelevant the 'level' of vaccination is since we allow for personal choice, it is the speed and availability that matters. Unless you suggest the UK become some authoritarian country dictating everyone gets the shot or gets shot?

"Also worth pointing out that EU countries continued to offer AZ targeted to safe age ranges"

Which is why the propaganda was so dangerous. AZ was on offer but being rejected and so wasted thanks to politicians.

"The UK did too, but as they put all their eggs in the AZ basket, other age ranges stalled while they found supplies of other vaccines."

At this point your trousers are in full blaze. The UK didnt put all its eggs in one basket, like others the UK funded a range of options being developed. Now if you do want to talk eggs in one basket there was the French imposed limit of 'other' vaccine could be bought depending on how much was ordered from Sanofi.

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@AC

"Stop deflecting."

In response to- "Stick your handle to your post and I will see if I have already answered this for you. Too many of you keep asking the same question no matter how many times it is answered. Otherwise you can go look through my post history and find the answers yourself."

Sounds like if I typed it out you still wouldnt understand it

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Re: The brexit gift

@AC

"So the CEO declaration that his company was likely in a breach of contract is EU screwing up?"

Thats a different set of words than the ones quoted by the CEO. I see why you posted as a coward

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Re: The brexit gift

@Lars

"As far as I know the "market" too the end of Truss and Kwarteng as a positive."

And so complaining about economic performance would be a good reason to dislike their removal.

"And seriously I don't think Britain has ever had anybody so empty headed as PM as Truss."

While not great she must clear the bar from some of our past examples.

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Re: The brexit gift

@R Soul

"We're the poorest performing economy in the G20 - apart from Russia."

Expected to be. Of course what actually happens will be shown months after it happened.

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=g20

Of course after the tory backstabbing to kick out Truss and Kwarteng we are bound to take a hit.

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Re: "the UK remains open to association"

@AC

"I'm still waiting for you to name one."..."Just name one benefit of Brexit."

Stick your handle to your post and I will see if I have already answered this for you. Too many of you keep asking the same question no matter how many times it is answered. Otherwise you can go look through my post history and find the answers yourself.

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Re: The brexit gift

@Richard 12

Damn. I made such a fantastic response to this moaning and its hidden-

"This post is hidden from public view because one of its ancestors has been deleted by a moderator."

I am disappointed

EU still getting its act together on European Chips Act funding

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Re: Les chips must be fabrique en France

@VoiceOfTruth

Sounds about right.