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2067 posts • joined 24 Oct 2011

UK's Just Eat faces probe after woman tweets chat-up texts from 'delivery guy'

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Re: A single case of a creepy...

"Fire the delivery dude and report him. Case closed."

That sounds simple and common sense. Surely that cant be an acceptable answer.

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Re: I'm failing to see how this is Just Eat's fault

@ Loyal Commenter

"What this does highlight is that JE clearly have no procedures in place to control that information once it has been passed onto the restaurant. They should at the very least, be able to ensure that the restaurant deletes it once they have finished with it (i.e. once the delivery has been made), this includes use, and retention, by employees of the restaurant, such as the delivery driver."

This is surely an impossibility unless JE literally handles all the SMS stuff themselves and bans the restaurant from direct contact with the customer except the delivery itself. This ridiculous interference is a bad idea. When did people stop thinking for themselves? Contact the restaurant and if you dont like their response then dont use them again. If you have an issue with JE dont use it. If enough people dont like the service then JE will vanish, otherwise it can go on serving many happy people and those who dont like it can contact restaurants themselves.

The delivery guy is at fault. The course of action is up to the restaurant. JE has no authority over the restaurant so at most can remove them from its offerings.

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UK taxman told to go easy on transformation with Brexit in headlights

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Re: My question would be, if three quarters of British farms are financially untenable,

@AC

"You mean those countries where:"

Oh god then I hope you never bought any clothing or IT gear from the poor countries who make much of them. Or go to the hospital as they buy from poorer countries who produce varying qualities of scalpel for surgery. Oh god nooooo how do we cope in this world outside the EU's borders of quality control and unicorn farts? Oh yeah its quality control. And we do it for a great deal of what we get regardless of where it is from.

Even while in the EU we have had a few issues of contamination, but we know of these issues due to... quality control.

Dont fear the world AC. Embrace it. There is a lot of it and we cant just hide away because of some scare stories.

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Re: My question would be, if three quarters of British farms are financially untenable,

@ John Smith 19

"Part of that process is the fact that (at present) the UK is inside the "tariff wall" around Europe. So if UK prices are competitive with the rest of the EU they will sell into the EU.

Put them on the outside of the tariff wall and then cut their support and hey presto they're uneconomic."

Aka protectionist. Aka it is uneconomic. Aka costs far more than its value. This is why one of the arguments to leave is the price of food will fall because it is kept over inflated by being in the cartel using subsidies and tariffs.

Everyone needs to eat so it would benefit the poor and everyone else as a stimulus to the economy (people will effectively have a pay rise as their expenses fall). It would also mean we wouldnt have to keep out food from those pesky coloured people in those poor countries where they are dying if they cant work.

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The HMRC thinks brexit will be hard on them but not so hard as to undertake projects unlikely to succeed at the same time. Do they also sing while drinking water?

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Facebook settles landmark revenge porn case with UK teen for undisclosed sum

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Is this particularly FB's fault? Yes they could do with making sure the image doesnt go back up within reasonable grounds of making sure they dont bugger up FB. But whoever posted it up in the first place is surely to blame and the police seem to have failed on that one.

I feel sorry for the teen and hopefully she wont be shamed for it but supported that everyone screws up and how much of a screw up it is is subjective. Help her deal with it and cope with it but the blame stops at the poster.

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Worst-case Brexit could kill 92,000 science, tech jobs across UK – report

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Doctor Syntax

Why? Is he unable to look at the employment figures? Or the fact that the EU is still increasing QE and their prediction of holding it in 2018? I assumed some competence of being able to look those things up. Are you saying he isnt?

In 2 days I have referenced a law 3 people told me did not exist and 1 still didnt believe and referenced his own source (which agreed with me). I can be pretty certain that 1 will continue to repeat their lie, 1 will likely and the other I dont think I know well enough even after reference. I am not asking him to find a specific report from a specific bias, I am asking him to look at the actual factual from wherever he prefers to look. The reason I can do that is because he asked for tangible figures, and these are. Not some bias weighted 2030 chicken bones prediction but actual factual tangible. Not leaver. Not remainer. Not UK, gov, EU, Russian.

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@AC

"Brexit is going to be a godawful catastrophe for the UK economy and anyone who disagrees with this, is a moron"

Thats a bad position to take as Euro supporters found.

"As a protocol for providing relatively unimpeded goods and services across member states, it was brilliant but the creeping evolution towards some sort of superstate has caused all of the issues"

However this is the reason I quoted your comment. Hell yes. The only good thing I have heard of from the EU's existence is the single market. But unfortunately all the rest of the rubbish is the cost of this one thing and the cost has kept increasing without benefit. The question is if the EU will fix this problem or be consumed by it.

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Loyal Commenter

"Extremist (aka nationalist) politics is on the rise globally"

4 of your 5 examples are EU. And Farage isnt nationalist he is globalist. Bit different.

"There's pretty good evidence to suggest that our government's policy of ideological austerity extended the recession in this country, at a time when other European countries were already recovering. Do your research."

Actually I will be amused as you try to show that. The EU/Eurozone is economically behind and had to fight deflation. The UK bounced out of recession. Also there was no austerity although the label was used for reducing the pissing away of money. Of course I am sure you can demonstrate limited successful countries in the EU but only at the sacrifice of countries in the EU. Our growth was a little under the US (as usual) and the US pissed money (started by Bush continued by Obama) so the difference it would have made is questionable.

"Part of living in a world that has other countries means making deals with those countries."

We cant. The EU takes that role.

"Very few (if any) countries have completely closed borders."

What has that to do with the price of fish?

"It wasn't inflicted on us by the EU. It was a choice made by our own duplicitous politicians."

As was joining the EU. As was selling us out to the EU.

"a skillset that doesn't currently exist in this country due to there not being a need for it, since our trade deals are currently negotiated on behalf of the entire trading bloc (which carries a lot more clout than one nation)."

So much clout it can negotiate with the big boys- US: failed, China- maybe eventually? You say we dont have the skill set as the EU does it for us, but the EU is slow and looks for its own interests not ours. On voting leave China wanted a trade deal with us, hence it would probably happen here before the EU. Yes we will have to renegotiate any trade deals we are interested in, for the UK not the EU. The idea people wont trade with us because we are not in the EU is a very isolationist view.

Sovereignty- I suggest you google the word if your not sure what it means.

"Have a slightly more authoritative source on whether the EU has rules on 'bendy bananas', the EU itself"

First line "Yes & No.". So the answer as proven by your source is yes. When doing your research and finding you are wrong dont try to make out you were right. Nor try claiming I want sub standard produce because you are wrong.

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Salestard

"Oh, and please don't bother with the dream of a painless, skilfully negotiated, masterstroke agreement - this *is* David Davis we're talking about here."

I think that possibility would require more than a miracle too dont worry.

"Here we are, arguing on a thread about published report on a probable downside of leaving the EU. You say that I'm ignorant of the alternative case - which may indeed be the case. So, show me the published reports on a probable upside of departure."

I like this leap. You move from having no clue why brexit could be positive to show me wild predictions of a distant point in future to give whatever the reports bias should show. This is why remain reports are shot down when they claim we will suffer badly, but not for such a long time as not to be predictable. Why would I put stock in such reports for leave if I dont trust such for remain?

Instead I prefer more factual and as you call it "tangible stuff". So lets start with the remain campaign Osborne and Carney claiming leave will cause the currency to fall, inflation to go up and house prices to stall. Surely you remember the claim? As we know the currency fell, inflation rises and the base rate is ready to increase which puts a drag on the housing market. A good prediction! One that Osborne and Carney said would be doom, but lets look at facts instead. The UK has been pumping out QE and dropping the base rate to do exactly this (dont believe me? Mervyn King also made a point of this). So our economy is factually returning back to a normal state. Feel free to try and refute it.

It is also fact that the UK is in the WTO and that in the EU we must impose tariffs dictated from the EU. So it is a fact that we can leave and reduce the trade tariffs. We would be free to join other trade blocks or make trade agreements world wide, 2 things we cannot do while in the EU.

Do you remember claims that we are sovereign and the EU doenst make our laws? The squealing about the gov being able to strike EU laws shows different, but yes if we leave the EU the choice of laws would be made in this country. For example the French offer our financial sector not to ramp up tax's on them for a yr if they move, vs the UK not pushing away the financial sector.

We have the factual employment rates between the EU/Eurozone/UK as well as factually how the US/UK/EU central banks dealt with the problems and the economic situations for each.

All of this is factual, tangible and pure X leading to Y equalling Z. As I pointed out with this study, if it is talking worst case then surely it must account for the EU breaking up as has been mentioned by its presidents and such. Fantasy reports have these problems. What if we do brexit and ramp up tariffs? vs low tariffs? low immigration vs high? Global cooperation instead of just the EU? Where are these reports?

Instead we get various levels of being in the EU (which the EU claim isnt an option unless they have changed their minds) in 2030. These reports assume the EU to be a good. They dont look at positive actions just that the EU is good and leaving is expensive (by 2030 honest). How is that tangible or X leading to Y equalling Z?

If you want real reports to read go look at the actual tangible figures instead of remain/leave propaganda sheets.

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Dr_N

"Quoting Mr Worstall's (suck up) opinion doesn't make you bendy banana myth any less mythic."

His opinion. Which surrounds the law quoted in the text with the source link to the law. I am sorry but if the factual text of the law isnt good enough for you and you consider the text of the law to be mythic I must ask why facts are false but your opinion with zero fact backing it up is true?

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Loyal Commenter

Politics- The EU has done a fantastic campaign for extremist political parties left and right. Their support throughout Europe has increased thanks to offering an alternative to slavishly being in the EU. The EU has shown difficulty with the acceptance of democratically elected parties they disagree with. With brexit there are again suggestions of pushing with the ever closer union and leaving behind anyone who doesnt commit completely. The Scots and even the north complain London is too far away to from the people to represent them adequately. The EU is much further removed than London.

Economics- 2008 global financial crash. US and UK bounce out of recession, the EU do nothing. US and UK recovering, the EU panics about deflation. The US is unwinding QE, the UK now ready to raise the base rate, the EU still years behind recovery all a decade on. The pound fell (the BoE and treasury have been aiming for this since 2008) employment, inflation and growth is positive (the BoE and treasury have been aiming for this since 2008). The EU has stunning growth, as it not only should have but requires due to its failure to handle the financial crash. Economically the UK is reaching its aims since voting leave.

"We will have to pay tens of billions of pounds to sever the obligations we have to the EU"

A total lie that wont be true no matter how it is repeated. The EU is entitled to nothing. Not a damn thing. They can negotiate and we can pay our past part of the EU's spending but that is up to us and negotiation. The EU refuses to negotiate they are entitled to nothing- no money, no Irish border, no citizen rights within the bounds of international law. It would be at our discretion.

Immigration- You seem to have a racism/xenophobia thing going on in that comment but that is an assumption. OpenEU (I think it was) found it wasnt the primary reason for voting leave. You say we can control our borders but only within the confines of the EU's dictation (as they are trying to dictate in negotiations now) which means by definition we cannot control our borders. And as immigration is good (I dont argue) why is the EU better than the rest of the world? Why do they get it easy (and easier to get jobs because of it) while my american, russian and asian friends must go through actual border controls? Why do you think people in the EU are better than those in the rest of the world? That is what it amounts to.

Trade- We leave and instantly we are able to drop tariffs we must impose due to the EU. That means the EU makes some things more expensive. So yes the BMW will possibly be more expensive but food can and should be cheaper. Which would help the poor in this country? Which would help the economy of this country? Which would benefit the most people in this country? We all eat dont we? And why dont we trade with countries around the world on shared terms instead of the EU's? The EU is neither quick nor apparently competent at trade deals so why should we be stopped from trade if it doesn't suit the EU?

Sovereignty- Erm read above. If we dont have control of our borders, law nor trade then by definition we have lost it.

"Bonus point - the bendy banana thing?"

This is pretty lazy of you. I proved its existence only 4 hrs ago and yesterday to 2 separate people who at least have the excuse to be on different threads. Sorry to tell you but you are wrong unless you are talking about something other than the EU law on bananas.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/#b8013286fc9a

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Salestard

"I think, old chap, that we'll have to agree to differ on this whole thing, rather than churn up more internet going round in circles."

No. Your statement "Because I'll be buggered if I can think of a decent, tangible, objective, reason why it's happening." and "There's been plenty of reasons put forward by Remain" means you are either ignorant or misinformed. I am offering you a direct answer to correct this lack of knowledge which seems to be a problem for you.

If this was some poor attempt to make it seem like there are reasons to remain but none for leave then yes we can leave it there. If you are truly so uninformed about reasons to leave and due to that honestly believe it to be suicidal then I am here to help you. Pick a topic- politics, economics, immigration, trade, sovereignty. All reasons to leave.

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Salestard

"Because I'll be buggered if I can think of a decent, tangible, objective, reason why it's happening."

Then you must only be reading comments from remainers. Pick a topic- politics, economics, immigration, trade, sovereignty. All reasons to leave.

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Salestard

"I wasn't being serious. The clue was the reference to the long dead John Mills, unemployment being compulsory, etc."

You may want to use a joke icon. Have you been reading remainers on the reg?

"However, my point remains quite serious; much of the Leave crowd seem to have this dream of returning to some long lost past national glory"

As I have refuted, it is the remain crowd who seem unable to move on. They seem to fear the world, fear being the US's poodle. Fear another WW with Europe. One even fears being on an island which cannot provide enough food for itself! These people have been threatened with hyper inflation and isolationism and some even encroach on godwins law in the sheer fear and panic of change.

"Essentially, a self-invented partial myth fed by the post-war output of Ealing Studios."

What about the myth of the EU? Sold as a socialist and capitalist paradise. Their massive failures brushed off as someone elses fault. How many of these people still think the banana law is a lie? I am still having to explain to these people the level of interference the EU pushes and one commenter even claimed it was a myth! These are the people voting remain and dreaming of a utopia that doesnt exist and fearing the outside world beyond cartel borders.

"I have no love for the EU, but I do believe that the vast majority of the 17.whatever million have been sold an absolute pup."

I would expand on that and say even more have been sold a pup. The few leave voters wanting isolationism and the remain voters who think its the end of the world to leave. Both official campaigns were embarrassing and portrayed a childishness I still see in sore loser comments (and I am sure it would be the other way around if remain won the vote). What irritates me most is the continued propaganda campaign for remain long after the vote and still trying to derail brexit. If the outward looking remain and leave got together we could push for an outward looking UK. Instead some remainers want the EU or burn and are saying similar things to the racists and xenophobes (look for remain comments about throwing people out of the country and pulling up the drawbridge).

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Re: Amsterdam

@ Bill M

"but I do have bad vibes about countries / economic areas becoming introverted."

I get that. I am hoping the UK doesnt and it would be nice if the EU didnt but its up to them. That is why I suggested going before the EU potentially lock themselves down. I dont think the EU can be considered good and introverted but if you can reconcile the two (or accept their potential introversion) you probably should try to get to the place you like.

Something I find pretty irritating is we have the EU we must open our borders for yet I have friends from the US, Russia, Asia as well as Europe and yet those outside the EU have such a hard time. Hard workers who need to figure out visa restrictions competing with people who can come here with relatively no hassle. I would like to see a more even approach but also to be more accepting world wide not just for the EU.

"Being stuck on a small island that does not produce enough food to feed its population would be inconvenient."

If you have such skills why would you be stuck? And this country cant produce enough food, it hasnt for a long time. Yet if food is your concern you might want to know that the high cost of food is due to being in the EU locking out poorer countries from trade (keeping them poor).

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Re: @ Pen-y-gors

@ Triggerfish

"You do realise there's a reason for standards don't you?"

Yes, But we are not talking about standards (they already existed). What we are discussing is law. Law and standards are 2 different things. The standards existed without force of law because a government is not capable of micromanaging everything and when they try it turns out badly. Since it is not even a national issue why is the curve of a banana a supranational issue which requires the force of law (jail and/or fine)?

"And that things like bananas weren't banned for curve shape?"

Now that will require some proving since it is written in law and potential jail/fine, it is hard to argue such law doesnt exist. I did have a similar discussion with phuzz on another thread. Here is the link I gave him-

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/#b8013286fc9a

"And that a lot of the appearance of fruit and veg in stores is dictated by a mix of what the consumer wants to see and what the retailers think we want to see?"

This is a different topic. If you want to discuss standards fine, if you want to discuss law fine, if you want to discuss the produce section of the supermarket fine but you must pick one or accept the boundaries between them.

"Which is why some of the classifications of things like fruit came about."

Yup in the standards. Not the law, the standards.

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Re: @ Pen-y-gors

@ Dr_N

"At the lying and myth propagation again codejunky?"

Please for my continued amusement do tell me which part you consider myth? But before you do please do check you wont look stupid for being wrong again.

"Maybe you can blame it all on the Turks again, hey?"

Shame you didnt check before writing that though.

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@ Warm Braw

"The point is that there's nothing stopping us having partnerships with the US or China right now"

True. Except of course this is the chicken bones and crystal ball of up to 2030 which China has made stunning leaps forward and we have a fair chance of a trade deal with them before the EU do. Being more outward looking and less EU dependent could easily make a difference.

"The EU has always made research funding a priority,"

So why would the UK scientists be excluded if that is the case? Dont the EU work with countries outside the EU for science or is research not that much of a priority?

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Re: But the good old days!

@ Salestard

"It'll all be worth it, as the Daily Heil crowd gleefully pitch us back to the 1950s. Come with me, as we return to the halcyon days!"

Sorry to burst your bubble but you do know the EU is designed for the cold war of high tariffs and hiding within trade blocks? You do know that the EU is designed on the older world that doesnt exist any more? Maybe you prefer the olden days but a cartel block is backward.

"The Gold Standard!"

That makes no sense. The UK and the US reacted to the global financial crisis and bounced out of a recession using FIAT currency. The EU did nothing. The US is unwinding QE, the UK (now voting leave) is looking to restore the interest rate. The EU ended up in a panic fight to avoid its currencies deflation and is years behind in recovery. In fact the EU is in such a bad position that people boast about its magnificent growth but forget to mention that it is still trying to catch up to years ago unlike the US and UK.

"Compulsory unemployment for anyone who didn't go to public school!"

Actually our employment state is much better than the EU, particularly those allowed to be severely damaged by the EU currency.

"Being used as an aircraft carrier by our friends and allies, and paying for the privilege!"

Same as things are now. And after we bought all those useless eurofighters that cost so much and do so little to try and buy our PM at the time (blair's) presidency to the EU.

"total loss of what little international influence we had left"

You mean like not being able to set our own trade terms as a member of the EU?

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Re: Amsterdam

@ Bill M

"I think the EU is good, others may have different viewpoints.

I have globally transportable skills, have seen some opportunities in Amsterdam and am investigating moving there to live and work.

I am a free person and currently still have the right to vote with my feet - Next year I may not."

That is a respectable view except why cant you next year? Do the EU not want you? Obviously you support the EU in your desire to consider moving there to live and work. You claim to have globally transportable skills so why wont the EU want someone skilled? Maybe you should consider going before next year if your afraid the EU will be childish and exclude people from outside the EU?

I hope your wrong about the EU and I hope the UK doesnt turn into the isolationist place you think the EU will.

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@ Pen-y-gors

How curvy is a banana? Or cucumber?(did they retract that one for being too pedantic?). Or what can be called jam? Or apparently the size of a drink in a pub?

Good job the EU doesnt have any crisis going on (Currency, Economics, Migration, Political, Democratic).

Just because I really need to say this to anyone who asks- what's wrong with a 'near-socialist' approach IT HAS NEVER WORKED. The only successful example of such is N.Korea. So I really hope you dont mean near-actual socialism approach.

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@ Pen-y-gors

"It's called 'planning' - one makes a range of assumptions based on a reasoned analysis of the plausible scenarios and then models the likely results of those assumptions."

That sounds a good plan. So the EU in its financial mess and its presidents making excuses for its breakup while they plot how to vastly change the EU into a very different structure that would likely leave us out anyway (or forced to the Euro). A reasonable assumption is an unrecognisable EU. I also recall Osborne and Carney making their unreasonable assumptions such as everything they have been trying to do to recover from the financial crisis suddenly meaning the end of the country (because voting leave was expected and has been fixing it). Or daft WTO assumptions that we would use the maximum tariffs against imports.

"better than assuming a brigade of the 5th Cavalry mounted on flying unicorns will turn up at the last minute and save you from your stupidity."

If we could get the staunch remain fantasists to accept we are leaving instead of some last minute prayer that democracy will be ditched in favour of 'the right' answer predetermined by those who assume to be betters.

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@ Voland's right hand

"USA, China? Funding UK Science?"

Why is it UK science? Surely it is science conducted with participation from the UK? Since China is looking to advance their capacity in innovation and the US doesnt necessarily trust China there may be opportunities as well as the UK and US working together. Should we be looking at it for outcomes or getting other countries to give money to our Scientists? And once knowledge is out there it is out there and monetising it is hard.

"The report paid specific attention to two areas which will be hit most in the case of hard Brexit."

I will be interested to see the changes in the financial industry as the EU have gone protectionist and making it difficult to access without being in the EU (something which caused some serious fall out with Switzerland I think it was) while the UK will impose no additional restrictions on EU financial businesses beyond the normal outside the UK rules. Add that we have the financial capital the EU drools over it would seem the EU does have something to lose. As for science the EU may decide not to give our contribution to our scientists, woo. And they might decide to be childish and take their ball home. So? And they might stomp their feet. (See where I am going)

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"by 2030"

Crystal ball? Chicken bones? Vision in a dream? And what situation will the world be in by then? If this is purely from the EU being capable of continuing what if the EU has broken up by then? (suggested by EU presidents and others 'because of brexit'). Does this account for any potential partnership with the US or China or the rest of the world or does it assume we are all lepers? Does this assume that the EU are complete arses and will work with Israel but not the UK? Does this assume the EU collapses under its numerous crises? Is this working on the assumption of the EU getting out of their financial mess or assuming we will follow their bad policies? How worst case are we talking?

Will we have flying cars by then? Or will a lack of them be blamed on brexit?

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MPs sceptical of plan for IT to save the day after UK quits customs union

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Re: Yes, but

@ Dr_N

"The latest demand is that the little crown be put back on pint glasses."

That is an odd thing I had never heard of. So I did a quick google search and I assume you mean the following?-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-425868/EU-stealing-crown-great-British-pint.html

If I understand this correctly it isnt so much about removing the crown which symbolises a pint. It is the law for laws sake of the EU trying to dictate what size glass a drink should be sold in. Even though this is a daily mail article it doesnt seem to argue against the CE mark as that already happens for making pint glasses in Czech. The complaint seems to be that the idle arses in the EU have nothing better to do than dictate measurements in a pub.

I am not sure I trust the above article for its absolute correctness (it is the daily mail and I trust it barely as much as the guardian) so if this is the issue have you got a better source for exactly what is going on? Or is it a different issue and do you have a link? If it is just some daft moaning it could be amusing to read.

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Re: Leaving EU != leaving Customs Union (or Single Market, for that matter)

@ Teiwaz

"Strangely nothing much to do with also leaving ECJ - we were told that wasn't on the agenda either...."

True. But since Cameron (the only one in position to do so) didnt negotiate what the alternative would be (because there was a set answer we were assumed to give, then threatened) there isnt much restraint over what brexit is. Blame the remainer PM.

"Well, that's a touchy subject, for the Irish - no one wants a border"

Except the EU. This is a biggie. The ones who want a border are the EU. Nobody wants a border except the EU. That is very defining. And as I have pointed out it is like Trumps wall. They want us to pay for their border that neither side want.

"Of course leave is blamed - they've rocked the rather fragile status quo"

That says a lot about the EU. Since the presidents have already made excuses for the EU breaking up because of brexit (instead of their stunning mismanagement) it would seem the EU is fragile. See above the EU wants a border neither side of Ireland want. And you claim we rocked the boat! And if you shoot yourself in the foot is that the fault of those telling you not to?

"Could be interesting though - cross border nightlife thrived in the 50's & 60's as alcohol was cheap and licencing laws more liberal south of the border"

To be honest I hoped our politicians would have the spine to tell the EU to put up their own border if they want it so badly. I would love to see no border as the Irish want as both north and south would gain huge benefits of being in and out of the EU. But the EU has to be protectionist or the cartel is worth nothing. Something they keep pointing out when they have to make us suffer and they must not give the UK a good deal. Of course we should take a hard brexit (if the EU refuses a trade deal) and if we continue on fine then others are bound to brave an exit too. Not because we are trying to make others leave or break up the EU, just because the EU doesnt have the support they seem to think they have.

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Re: ""it will be worth it to regain our sovereignty.""

@AC

"I was trying to make a joke, sorry if it didn't work."

Sorry I didnt realise. Probably would if you used the joke icon. Unfortunately some of the legitimate arguments to remain sound as ridiculous as that it is becoming harder and harder to see which ones are jokes and which are serious mental gymnastics.

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Re: Leaving EU != leaving Customs Union (or Single Market, for that matter)

@ Champ

"Why the fuck are the tories (amongst others) saying that leaving the EU must also mean leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Despite the fact that, during the referendum campaign, multiple Leavers were at pains to suggest this wouldn't happen?"

Because the EU's opening in negotiations was a bunch of non-negotiables we either agree (aka remain) or we must leave the single market. Oddly this lack of negotiating ability seems to have been blamed on the UK when it is the EU dictating this. Furthered by the misunderstanding that the EU is 'entitled' to anything and in fact no agreement means we leave and owe the EU nothing, zip and nowt.

What was concerning is the misunderstanding of the 'Irish problem'. The EU wants a hard border, the Irish (both sides) dont. The Britain doesnt really seem to care. Yet somehow leave is blamed for this stupidity. Yet the parallel between the EU demanding a wall and Trump demanding one (and the other side will pay for it too!) is so similar yet seem to provoke different reactions.

The EU has no incapability of making a trade deal. They will happily bend and break their rules without a second thought if it suits them. The only reason for any difficulty is the EU being difficult which has been their approach from the start of brexit. And yet some people seem to blame leave and even think the EU is entitled to whatever they demand regardless.

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@AC

"Perhaps because we lost the only war we ever had with the Americans, but we've always beaten the Europeans."

So we should be under the EU because we have always been at war with Europe including last century in 2 of the worst wars (the war to end all wars... and the one after that) and although they have invaded us successfully plenty of times that is a reason to be under the EU?

"Much more acceptable to be pally with the losers than to accept control by the folks who whupped our collective arse back in 1780."

Conversely we should be afraid of the world especially the US who supported us in both world wars, we share a common language, a common culture and recently share our successful reaction to the global financial mess (unlike the previously mentioned EU). The US which has a similar view to us vs the EU we joined on the proviso of opt outs and stopping them from doing what they want with their project?

Also if the reason for remaining in the EU is anti-american why would we want to remain when thats apparently what the US under Obama wanted?

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@ John Smith 19

"The absolute right to do exactly as the American President de jour the British Parliament says."

I do find it amazing that people so desperate to be on their knees to please the EU assume the alternative is to be down their pleasuring the US. And then of course its racism and xenophobia and a desire to hide away that motivates the leave voters.

Seriously what have you got against the Americans? Or any other country in the world? What makes the EU population acceptable to you but not the population of the rest of the world?

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Re: "I dont think anyone has faith that the gov will do such a thing."

@ John Smith 19

"And yet you voted to leave anyway."

Yes

"Did you think you could disentangle a 42 long legal and trading relationship with no IT issues at all?"

Of course not. Why do you assume I have faith in this government to be able to find their arse with both hands and a map? That doesnt mean I want a supranational government who cant find their arse with both hands and a map above them.

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@ Martin Gregorie

"Quite, and as that was written in clear legible text in the gummint-issued booklet explaining the referendum, I call all the MPs who claim the referendum was binding to be blatant, deliberate liars."

That would be the prime minister at the time David Cameron.

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@ Mr Dogshit

"it will be worth it to regain our sovereignty."

I agree

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Hmm

Sceptical of gov not being able to deliver IT, must be a day ending in 'Y'. I dont think anyone has faith that the gov will do such a thing.

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'Repeal hate crime laws for free speech' petition passes 14k signatures

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@ Sir Runcible Spoon

They could be trained like the russian dogs were taught to run under tanks with a bomb strapped to them.

*For anyone not clear the russian dogs were taught with russian tanks so the plan didnt work very well in the battlefield.

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CCTV commish: Bring all surveillance systems under code of practice

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@ phuzz

"That Forbes article does have some good selective quoting going on, from the actual law which they link to:"

Can we just clarify first that you now accept there is a law? That your response was incorrect to claim the law didnt exist?

Second the selective quoting you complain about is the law you claimed didnt exist. The fact that there are other classes with different laws does not change the absolute fact that the law does exist. Your comment wasnt debating the laws specifics but your comment made clear that such a law didnt exist. You were wrong.

And then we return to the point of my comment that making law for laws sake is not a good thing which is in direct relation to the original comment "The government won't adopt any position unless it is forced to and the only body that could have forced them to just got voted out (EU)". Aka our government isnt very good so lets have another government above them (which I point out loves to micromanage).

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@ Intractable Potsherd

You should be directing your comment to phuzz who apparently doesnt believe it is real. Hard to debate relevance when someone thinks these things are a lie!

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Hmm

On one hand I seem to agree with what he is arguing against. Yet I cannot help being cynical and wondering if it is a power grab-

"as well as lobby for more resourcing for his office."

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@ phuzz

"Even after all these years, people still think the EU made a law concerning how bent a banana is allowed to be."

Even after all these years and the fact being proven over and over with a punishment of fine and/or up to 6 months in jail some people still think the EU didnt make a law concerning the curvature of a banana.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/05/12/to-properly-explain-the-eus-bendy-bananas-rules-yes-theyre-real/#b8013286fc9a

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@AC

"The government won't adopt any position unless it is forced to and the only body that could have forced them to just got voted out (EU), the other body (Electorate) that could force it to don't care."

Good. The last thing we want is a political organisation making the rules just to justify their existence. Better a law is made with reason, otherwise we get banana and jam laws.

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And we return to Munich's migration back to Windows - it's going to cost what now?! €100m!

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ha

"Those supporting the anti-Linux cause claim Windows 10 will solve perceived compatibility issues with applications and hardware drivers."

I am guessing by people who have never used it? I am specifically ragging on windows 10 here as its automatic updates have caused a number of concerning issues I have encountered (not my machine. I do have win7 for games) my favourites being-

>Printer visible but not accessible. Resolved by reverting to pre-update, uninstall printer, update, reinstall printer.

>Network inaccessible. For a week talking someone through resetting the network stack through command line.

I am not particularly ragging on windows, just windows 10. I have upgraded a few people to linux mint since windows 8 but windows 10 seemed to be the last straw for some people.

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UK.gov admits porn age checks could harm small ISPs and encourage risky online behaviour

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So the gov intends to cost us (because it is the customer who will be paying) for a 'feature' that we dont want because some people are apparently too incompetent to parent? I hope parents are offended at the suggestion that they are too incompetent to look after their child and oppose this idea. What is concerning is that 46% of people consulted didnt outright reject the idea as stupid.

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@AC

"Nor do the politicians of the non-EU countries with whom Britain hopes to negotiate post-BREXIT trade deals."

Nor do politicians of the EU who have so far decided we must be punished or be made to suffer for leaving. In short all politicians dont care about anyone but themselves. Unfortunately the further away from the electorate they are the less they care.

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Then they will have to get the IT projects done or ditch them. If they cannot make the projects work then the project will probably need simplifying to something reasonable and doable by them. Its amazing how having less overhead and more freedom is somehow more difficult to implement.

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Irony's lost on old Pope Francis: Pontiff decrees fake news a 'serious sin'

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Hah

Excellent article. Love the title too

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UKIP appeals against ICO request for info on Brexit data dealings

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@ Roland6

"Just another example of how out of touch with the real world and hypocritical the leaders of the Leave campaign were and are..."

Really? Assuming we are both looking at the link you posted it sounds about right. What is wrong with it? This is a bad deal and no deal would be better, we owe the EU nothing. I am amused that the presenters think a self imposed bill is something Farage should have warned us all about.

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@ Voland's right hand

"UKIP and principles go together almost as well as Farage living without connecting his finances directly to the Eu wallet."

A politician arguing to end his job. I keep hearing the claim that the EU is democratic which would make sense for him to be there to represent us who disagree with the EU. And then there are idiots like Junker who asked why he was still there. Because we are still trapped in the freaking EU and it is supposed to be a democracy (the muppet).

"Isn't it lovely how he lambastes Eu civil servant pensions in the few moment his mouth is free and off the suckling on the Eu tit. Not a lot of those moments though."

I am fairly sure he doesnt bother doing the sucking and just calls them out for their stupidities regardless of the money going to him. Now there is plenty of sucking which involves telling us how bad the EU is but we must remain to fix it (not possible). Or Camerons stupidity of 'I will be against remaining if I dont get my demands', waters his demands to a damp squib, doesnt get an agreement on it (not that the EU considers its word binding) and still campaigns to remain. This could all have been sorted out with an initial vote- do we join. But since that didnt happen change had to come from the inside (just not how some remainers would like)

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Hmm

Not being the type of party to shy away from being accused of petulance, a UKIP spokesperson said that it was "perfectly happy" to work with the ICO, but "not under threat". It added that the ICO had been "less than clear as to what it is that they wish us to provide".

I think I will wait for more information before jumping to conclusions. Especially since UKIP cant trust the political bodies not to abuse them.

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UK border at risk of exposure post Brexit, warn MPs

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@ Haku

"I would like to ask those who voted leave because they wanted to close the borders to foreigners"

I worry about those people too. What I dont understand is how some remainers can side with them at the idea of closing the borders just because we left the EU. If those who voted leave to join the world and those voting remain because of trade concerns were to work together then we surely outnumber the racists and self-destructive?

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