* Posts by Kiwi

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Giga-hurts radio: Terrorists build Wi-Fi bombs to dodge cops' cellphone jammers

Kiwi
Gimp

Re: Re:have a machine with a 4G module just poll a random Reddit page

To think that the average terrorist not only knows how to make a bomb without killing himself and, on top of that, also has the hardware and software skills to program something that goes and "polls a random Reddit page" is frankly pushing the bar.

RasperryPi, little bit of python to grab the page, little more python to set one of the GPIO pins high (or low) triggering a relay, or any number of other triggers (GPIO works on 3.3v IIRC, but with a simple transistor across the 5v rail you can boost that to 5v). It'd probably take me longer to find my last program to talk to GPIO than it would to modify it to download and grep a page. Or download a page and compare with the previous one.

Finally, and most importantly, that 4G polling is a signal saying "I'm here !" to anyone who knows how to look for it. I'm sure that broadcasting the bomb's position is not a very intelligent way to go about bombing a place.

Depends on the location. In a city where 4g or wifi signals are rare, sure. But if the device is hardwired, or in a location where cell signals/wifi are common, it's much harder... Any number of house alarm. "home automation", car alarm, weather station, sewer monitoring, person monitoring, laptop/tablet/phone/PC etc units going off within a few miles of me. Finding what is looking for a specific signal?

Oh, that Pi is also plenty powerful enough to tag in a VPN client as well. It could also perhaps be updating a page for another bomb in the sequence... You could even spread several of them out where they all talk to each other (through garbage posts - AMFM1 anyone?? :) ) and if one goes silent the next one explodes, triggering the 3rd after a few minutes and so on.

A dozen machines, all polling each other, all waiting till one explodes to set the rest off... Sounds like some of my scout kamps....

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Kiwi

Re: Ctrl-C Ctrl-V

<blockquoteI run a piece of software called synergy, which allows me to control multiple machines from one keyboard and mouse, but different screens.</blockquote>

Yup, love that program and have installed it for other people as well. Even have it working right now between the laptop I am doing some work on and the desktop I am typing this on. Works seamlessly and can handle several machines (up to 15, laid out so the screens are in 3x 5 rows). I've only had it on 3 machines at once but I did do it on Lin, Mac and Win just for the fun of it.

Tesla driver killed after smashing into truck had just enabled Autopilot – US crash watchdog

Kiwi

Tesla steering-wheels do not have a capacitive ability similar to smartphone screens.

I'm pretty sure there's a number of ways such a system could be implemented without noticeably affecting the design aesthetics of the steering wheel.

As I mentioned earlier, there's devices that are able to not only tell if someone is in contact with the wheel but could even keep a watch on their heartbeat. I know a guy who has a pocket-sized ECG device that he uses to monitor his heart health.

Fit one so if the driver takes hands off, car starts to look to stop (however a voice sensor listening for indications the driver is wanting to get away in a hurry could be implemented). And to be really fancy, if the car detects a driver having a heart attack, it could call emergency services, find a safe place to stop, and actually save lives instead of taking them.

But this is Tesla.. there's probably some part of the aesthetic design that might be messed up by a micrometer, or some finely balanced weight that would be put out by a few ounces, therefore life-saving tech cannot be fitted.

Kiwi
Paris Hilton

Re: Still called Autopilot

Tesla should sue the drivers for being incompetent working on your way of thinking.

Just out of interest... You're not one of Tesla's software engineers are you?

Your defence of their terrible practices and your seemingly taking the criticism of their software rather personally, plus your failure to grasp how we humans parse certain words or phrases (and the Latin( or whatever) root of those words...

Well, I just have to wonder if this is your baby we're all pissed off about? It would explain a few things about your posts if so.

Kiwi

Re: Warm human skin, please

Itvshoukd not be up to manufactures to baby sit drivers

I agree with most of your post, and even this to a degree. However, manufacturers (especially Tesla) are working hard to fill their cars with all sorts of gadgetry and other utterly rediculous and even dangerous stuff.

How many cars these days have the "entertainment" and "climate control" systems on touch-screen displays? Not so bad perhaps if you have steering wheel controls, very bad if you must ALWAYS take your eyes off the road to operate them.

My car - hand on gear lever outstretch index+middle finger, there's the volume control for the radio (also press that for mute). Move hand to the left a little and there's the controls for skipping the next track or radio station. Slide my fingers up gently and I'll find the SOURCE button to change from tuner to USB to bluetooth. All else I don't need while I am driving, and can stop and look. Oh, skip buttons also has the call answer and hang up should I receive a call while driving AND have actually turned BT on the phone on plus paired it.

Heater controls are similar - reach for the middle of the dash and then move hand depending on what I feel. Sliders or dials and physical buttons it all works the same, feel for what you need then twist/slide/press as necessary.

Putting these things into touch screens means I need to move my eyes away from the road, read the screen to determine what I am looking for, then tap the buttons. I am switching my brain from looking at the road to reading text, and it is going to take several seconds to adjust especially if I need to remind myself how to change modes or something else on the screen is a bit off.

It's not long ago that car makers were putting HUDs in (at least with speed) to help lessen the need for the driver to look away from the road. Now they're adding stuff that increases the likelihood of the driver's attention being diverted. While the driver should (if it is possible) chose another car, the manufacturers are still culpable for coming up with these designs.

Kiwi
WTF?

Re: Public Misconception

<blockquoteThey should be prosecuted for working a machine they not learnt to use.</blockquote>

It's a car, not an aircraft. There may be features that can take some getting used to, but a normal person should be able to hop into the damned thing and drive it without any more training than they've already had. The controls you need to be familiar with are brakes, steering, gears (where they are/which pattern if manual, where Drive, Neutral and Rerverse are if AUTO), clutch (if it has one) and accelerator - and in that order. Quirks (like a bit of a pull to the left) shouldn't take much to deal with.

Auto pilot is a driving aid it very clear how it should be use the press maje up stories about musk and Tesla because they are being paid to by the big motor corps

Does Musk/Tesla call it "AUTO" (self operating) "PILOT" (driver/operator)? If they call it a "self operating driver ('AUTO PILOT' for short), then it's a bit of a stretch to claim that the press are being made to make up stories', no? If your car has an AUTOmatic gearbox, you don't need to think about changing gears, it does it on AUTO.

Kiwi

(skirts)

USA has lots of decent engineers. They could easily deal with rough terrain.

There's a rather a high cost involved with that though, some of which is in removing some of the bits that actually help keep people awake!

You'll also have to fix every driveway (those that need it), every farm race, every railway crossing (this is the US, if that crossing had never had a crash then some twit decides to race a train and dies trying, those who made it a better and much safer crossing will be getting sued because obviously they messed up the crossing...), re-grade the tops of many hills and many intersections. Even just the camber of many small roads can be concerning. Maybe they should've been built better, maybe there's good reason for them.

Of course the use of smaller "feeder" trucks could be used to cover those areas and move goods to a larger depot or (my own personal preference) a railway depot - get the trucks off the road as much as possible.

There's a cheaper option. Drivers pay attention to the road. Bring back the idea that it's a bad thing to keep pushing yourself. Leave with sufficient time, pay attention, or go to prison. There is absolutely no excuse for poor driving behaviour - and yes I have done stupid things on the road and have made simple mistakes (including paying attention to the wrong hazard). I've also saved myself and others from being in a bad smash from doing the right thing.

And I've lost friends due to people making mistakes. There's a world of difference between someone crossing the centreline due to a moment's distraction and a drunk taking out a couple of boys walking to school.

Kiwi
Coat

Re: What's the point?

I mean we are in a thread about Tesla's "auto" safety systems. Discussing a "full stop" may not be the most appropriate under the circumstances!

There's a fair chance a colon is involved as well in matters requiring car safety systems.

What about for those who've had some bowel resectioning done?

Kiwi

Re: What's the point?

I mean really... How many stationary trucks have you seen in the middle of a highway waiting for cars to smash into the trailer bed at high speed?

I drive out in the countryside fairly often, and often through dairy country (lots of large milk tankers crossing highways). They are not stationery across the road but they are in the same circumstances as this incident - a truck slowly crossing the road.

Then there's tractors and other farm machinery travelling at 10-15mph on 60mph roads. They may be at the end of a long straight where you have plenty of visibility, and they may be just around the corner where you don't.

On any trip of more than 50 miles through dairy country? Almost certainly will see at least one tractor and one tanker or other truck pulling in to or out of a driveway.

By knowing this is a possibility in a rural area, and by driving to the conditions (including stopping distance and visible clear road) I can easily avoid these vehicles having an impact on my day. If for some reason I was so impaired that I could not see them, I would not drive.

Kiwi

Re: What's the point?

"Sliding under the truck as opposed to crashing into the side barriers seems unlikely to produce a different result at 68 mph."

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It might have given the safety system something to detect.

Perhaps. Perhaps the "safety system" failed in that had it not existed, said driver would still be alive and said truck driver wouldn't be dealing with that sort of trauma.

perhaps the "safety system' could have been designed to do a quick check of the map - is there a bridge here? No? Then it's probably better to assume it's a truck. Is it moving? Probably not a bridge. Or if it is a bridge, it may be in a state of collapse.

And as this is not the first time a Tesla driver has died in this way, they need to do something to fix it. One death is more than enough but I get that we can't always think of all issues that could affect us - if the people responsible for this routine only drive in areas with skirts on trucks they probably had no reason to think of that, but now they do there should be efforts to get the car to actually measure the range to the object and measure the height of it. Hell, put a bloody sensor in the roof of the car that simply looks straight ahead - if that detects something lower than the top of the car start slowing down.

Not all areas can have trucks that have these side skirts. It'd take a significant change in the way we do things if that was to become fully mandatory. And there will be other times an obstruction occurs that is lower than the height of the car but not necessarily at ground level.

If Tesla are going to market their cars as self driving (they do simply by using the term "AUTO PILOT") then they need to make it see things that could cause problems and avoid hitting them. If their car cannot see a large object lower than the height of the car they need to shut the thing down.

Kiwi
Pint

Re: What's the point?

If I need to slow down or take other action to prevent injury, then I'll happily slow down

Thanks. I appreciate people driving to the conditions :)

You may want to wait a while though before your next drive - too many of these apparently doesn't help the brain keep the car on the road! -->

Kiwi

Re: What's the point?

Drum brakes.

I always wondered if the "drum" in drum brakes more referred to the drum-roll heard at circuses and other places when someone was psyching themselves up to perform a rather dangerous (at least to the audience) stunt. And with many of the vehicles I've driven with drum brakes, at the delay they seem to have, I do think it's quite an apt definition! :)

Kiwi
Pint

Re: What's the point?

A car like a Tesla could probably stop from those speeds in less than 8 seconds. I should take my old POS with crappy brakes out on a quiet stretch of highway sometime soon and see what time it takes to bring her to a complete stop from those speeds.

Just take your foot off the accelerator and check how much your speed has dropped from 70mph (115 km/h) in those 8 seconds

I know - I often take the foot off the gas and cover the brake pedal when I see a potential hazard ahead (eg kids/animals on the side of the road). The first thing this does is give me a little more time to respond by the car slowing, second is it increases my reaction time, 3rd is it "reprograms" my brain into being more alert to hazards - I can respond much more quickly if things change. This has saved me from 3 incidents I can think of, 2 of which involved kids darting out onto the road.

The fun thing is, the more you slow the more time you have to deal with things. The better you are at progressive braking the faster you can stop as well (ABS helps a lot here for most drivers - not as good as well-practiced progressive braking but much better than the average bear). I always recommend get out to a car park or other quiet safe area every few weeks and practice putting your vehicle through emergency manoeuvres. That way you don't have to think about what to do when you have to change direction in a heartbeat, and you know what your car will do (eg will it pull to the left).

Kiwi
Coat

I agree that you have to be pretty nutty to go through all those on screen warnings to then ignore them all.

"Clickthrough" - the bane of EULAs, the love of malware authors, and the nemesis of computer security types the world over.

If people wouldn't even pause long enough to see if the words on screen were a warning or what before clicking "make this go away and stop nagging", what makes you think Tesla's warnings (if any) would be of any use?

No. AP systems need to assume the driver is incapacitated 1/2 a second after turning them on. A spike (ala Mr Garrison's monocycle) should be erected to firmly hold them in place, then the car should pull over and stop at the first safe opportunity. And lock all the doors till emergency services arrive, to prevent any one taking advantage of the driver's incapacitated state.

I'm sure a few reports of Tesla's autopilot fucking up someone's day in a different way will make people think twice about turning it on. Cept those who get turned on by such things...

Kiwi
FAIL

Re: Stop blaming tesla

The driver dies because he collided with a trailer that had no side safety equipment prevent a car going underneath the flat bed, how thus is allowed is beyond me, it's time trailer design was changed there us no need for trailer to be so high off the road surface.

Yes, the driver is at fault however the matketing that it is an "AUTO pilot" plays a very large role in that.

All trucks have a safety device that should prevent cars from going under the decks regardless of whether or not they have side rails (which, at 70MPH, would NOT save your life!) - and that safety device is THEY'RE BLOODY BIG THINGS THAT YOU CAN SEE FROM MILES AWAY!. If you can't see a truck in time to avoid it you shouldn't be driving (with the obvious exception where a truck suddenly crosses the centreline).

The design of the trailer height is NOT something that has just happened by accident or negligence or anything like that. First, the height, width and length relate to load capacity as well as stability. We don't want to wait for stuff to come in by rail or boat, so we need trucks. We don't grow our own veggies or visit smaller stores, we need big super markets and they need lots of big trucks. Our society either gets lots of big trucks or gets lots of big changes - and the changes wouldn't be popular today even if they'd make everyone's life better.

Next is the issue of the size of the truck. Both the height of the deck and the lack of skirts are common in trucks that have to go over rougher terrain. Park your car next to a trailer some time, so your entire car fits between the front and back wheels of the trailer. Notice how much longer than your piddly little car the truck is. When you go over a slight hill (eg a number of driveways, railway crossings, small humps in the road - or even the peak of a great many large hills) your wheels are close enough together that your entire car is pretty much on the same plain. With a truck however, it is quite possible for the front to be past the downhill side before the back has even started the uphill side, with the middle of the truck being across the hill/hump/whatever. Truck then becomes stranded if it is built too low.

Teach people not to drive under trucks. We don't need side skirts in NZ to prevent drivers doing things like that, most of our drivers know full well that if you see a truck across your path you stop or take action to avoid it. Demanding a change to the design of trucks that would also make them less useful is the same as demanding all cars get fitted with current-quality Tesla autopilots - it's a poor substitute for proper driving skills and attitudes.

if you're driving in such a way that you might not see a truck, then stop bloody driving - one way or the other.

Kiwi
Coat

Re: Public Misconception

They should really be providing some hands-on training with these automation systems at the point of retail as understanding their shortcomings isn’t obvious to those who don’t understand how they work and assume it’s like having a chauffeur.

Just change the button to "Kill Driver" and that should help some.

Kiwi
Facepalm

Re: Worst option

You want the pilot and co-pilot to get drunk, make party with flight attendants while autopilot is engaged?

Most people are not pilots (>99% of the population - is even 1 in 1,000 a properly trained pilot?)

Most people watch movies.

Most people have seen movies or "documentaries" where A/P allows the plane to fly for considerable amounts of time without input (and in reality, with enough separation, planes can do just that) - or others where the plane is completely able to fly by itself (after all, we're well past August 1994 - didn't that fella design a chip that could make planes fly with a "perfect operational record"? - I think Arnie had one implanted in his head or something).

Most people don't realise that the sky isn't the same as a motorway, and has a teency bit less traffic.

Ergo, most people believe "auto pilot" means "completely controls itself" and doesn't need any pilot etc input.

Kiwi

Re: Stop this sort of accident

Please fit side impact bars on your semi trucks, see photo. SFW

Strangely, we don't have these on our trucks in NZ that often, nor do we have these sorts of accidents. We do have terrain that would make them an issue for a lot of trucks.

Kiwi
Mushroom

Re: For a start, stop calling it Autopilot

Something like Urban/Road Driver-Enabled Automated Defences?

--> Could even be equipped with a friendly icon to remind you what it does...

Kiwi

Re: What Tesla need to say is...

If the great and shiny future is fully automated and auto-piloted cars, then what's the real issue if a few dumb meatsacks sacrifice themselves on that altar for a few more grains of knowledge to make it happen.

One of, if not the biggest factor in ending a long-distance truckie's career is when someone dies in an accident with their vehicle. Hell, sometimes even with coming across a bad crash too often (which, given the distances and times these people operate, is quite likely).

I knew a train driver who'd been driving for 20+ years before someone decided the warnings were there to be ignored. He was never the same afterwards. Became much of a shut-in, struggled with all sorts of "survivors guilt" wondering if there was any way he could've prevented their deaths (he was on schedule, good driving conditions, working signals - car driver totally at fault). These sorts of accidents can take quite a toll on the drivers of the other vehicles, and on those who help out at the scene.

Also, when these cars crash they don't crash in a vacuum. There is potential for other innocent people to be involved.

Kiwi

Also terrible that in the US, trailer rigs aren't required to have bars between rear wheels to prevent exactly this type of accident with cars going under (such bars are obligatory in Europe)

Personally, I don't give a damn about the skirts on the side of trucks (not mandatory here, sometimes a problem due to the rougher terrain our trucks are more likely to traverse). The one simple feature that should be mandatory that would prevent these and most[1] other accidents is an attentive driver in a reasonably maintained vehicle. Punishments for inattention should fit the crime, and the crime is damned near "attempted manslaughter" (not quite the same as "attempted murder". Cop sees someone texting while driving? That should be that for their freedom for at least a couple of years. Sorry, hate prison but until people realise that not paying attention while driving comes with serious consequences, make some bloody examples of people. The sort that has your kids crying in terror (or laughing with glee depending on your parenting skills) because the parent who is driving is likely to be locked up for a few years. Make it career-ending, your boss won't want you doing it and if you're seen by anyone at your firm or any customer you're without work and without income for yourself (support your family but let you starve - fostering your kids out to decent carers might help).

And where it's a car's console or computer that's at fault, make damned sure the company and especially the upper exces feel it. I often turn the radio off (if it's on) when I am in trickier situations. I have a big knob that I can easily reach for, but many modern radios only have touch screens where you have to look away from the road to have a hope of operating it. They also do this for heater etc controls. Alternatively, link it to the GPS so the controls cannot be changed while the vehicle is moving.

If it distracts the driver, get rid of it (including any assistance that reduces driver attention (not counting stuff that aids when the driver is impaired (momentarily or otherwise). If the distraction is a factor in a crash, punish the execs as well.

[1] Mechanical failure can be hard to predict, as can landslides and various other things - but in more than 99% of the time it is the driver who fails - either failing to see what is going on, failing to stay in the correct place, of failing to take appropriate action when things go wrong!

Kiwi
Holmes

Re: "Neither the human driver nor the AI-powered Autopilot were paying any attention."

This is disturbingly common in rural Texas, with e.g. crossings on 70MPH roads just past hills.

We have the same here in NZ as well - sometimes a blind corner just before a junction or driveway or hill or bridge or....

The strange trick is to be driving at such a speed that you can stop within the range of the road you can see ahead. Or, on a narrow single-lane road, to stop in 1/2 the distance of what you can see ahead.

Kiwi

Re: Autopilot and driver's attention

Common usage of the autopilot is in the plane. Ask the passenger if they think the pilot and co-pilot can get pissed and make party with the flight attendants while having auto-pilot enabled.

The passengers won't be amused by that.

Long long long ago passengers (usually children) used to be invited in to see the cockpit of airliners.

I was one such fortunate on an international flight (NZ-AUS, some time 1989-1992 - can't recall which trip). The crew were chatting with me, attendants and each other. There was no active control of the plane. I am certain had something become an issue they would've been on the ball at once, but for those few minutes I was there they weren't flying or even watching (though at cruising speed, another plane would go from tiny spec to sharing your exact airspace in like .3/sec).

Pretty sure none of the passengers gave a damn, except those who didn't get invited forward. Most probably assumed the plane had been on autopilot almost the entire trip and the only reason there was a person in the cockpit is they need someone to be able to say "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking.....".

Kiwi
Coat

Re: What's the point?

May I recommend to you, sir, the use of the Full Stop to separate sentences? It is a marvellous piece of basic punctuation.

Is a full stop appropriate?

I mean we are in a thread about Tesla's "auto" safety systems. Discussing a "full stop" may not be the most appropriate under the circumstances!

Kiwi
WTF?

Re: What's the point?

Hitting the barrier at 68mph gives the crumple zones a chance to work, while swiping underneath rips your head straight off.

Hitting something that solid at 70Mph is seldom a recipe for survival. At the moment of impact (under these circumstances) your brain is still travelling at 70mph. The airbags may not be the same as your brain suddenly stopping, but there's a pretty good chance that you'll at best suffer some serious brain damage if not death - instant or later.

I saw something reported in NZ recently where the car manufacturers have stated that at any speed over 80kph (~50mph) you're dead. There's nothing their systems can do to save you at those speeds (that said, that may have been for a head-on at those speeds).

Of course, if you were to treat "autopilot" as "I must be focused on the road, this thing may save me if I screw up buy may also kill me" and keep focused, you'd see the great big truck pulling out in front of you and have oodles of time to think about whether you should slow, stop, swerve, have chicken of beef for tea, engage in that affair with the office secretary, go on a second honeymoon with the wife instead, maybe take the bosses wife along for "research purposes", should you get a new car, and oh yes that's right the truck lemme see I guess I could slow down a little and veer left but no rush still got 5 seconds.......

Kiwi
Pint

Re: What's the point?

I don't know if it would have done any good, but I would have engaged the brakes instead of the autopilot 10 seconds prior to the crash.

I can't think of any land vehicle that would've come to grief under those circumstances with 8 seconds warning.

You'd not have to fully apply the brakes, just slow some so the truck had time to cross (don't whinge about your rights, you can move a lot easier than a truck can and you'll also whinge should your delivery not arrive on time - cut the heavy vehicle drivers some slack or grow/make/collect all your own food and goods![*]), and/or change lanes and get around the truck.

A car like a Tesla could probably stop from those speeds in less than 8 seconds. I should take my old POS with crappy brakes out on a quiet stretch of highway sometime soon and see what time it takes to bring her to a complete stop from those speeds.

[*] Not aimed at Char Gar Gothakon, unless CGG is one of those who whinges just because a truck caused them to briefly slow by 3kph or change lane

Kiwi

Re: what does a plane autopilot do?

Autopilots were not programmable in their early years.

No, but pilots are.

Kiwi
Pint

Re: What's the point?

(a) Tesla, stop calling your effing advanced driving assist 'Autopilot'. It isn't.

Except, what does a plane autopilot do? Takes you to assigned altitude, direction and airspeed.

Why do people think that an "autopilot" in a car should do more?

The answer to that is really, really very simple. The vast majority of us are NOT pilots. Not even 1% of the general population has so much as used a flight simulator game let alone been trained to fly a real aircraft.

Modern airliners do, BTW, have a "auto land" feature which can be used in low-visibility situations. Something I didn't actually know till today. (Well, "know" depends on the accuracy of the material I read - which may of course not be so accurate).

I've played "realistic" WWII flight sim games where I can put the plane on autopilot and instead of just flying straight and level it will fly to waypoints, attack targets it meets along the way, fly to other waypoints and eventually land (complete with reducing airspeed, lining up some miles out, setting flaps, lowering gear, landing, taxiing to the hanger and shutting down the engine). I've seen movies where aircraft do all sorts of amazing stuff on AP. And of course there is the name itself, which means "self drive".

TL;DR : Unless we see a very big increase in the attendance at pilot training programs, don't expect the rest of us to know that "autopilot" doesn't mean "automatic pilot".

Kiwi

Re: What's the point?

In which case there is zero need for "driver aids"

I partially disagree.

I've driven in traffic where some twit pretty much rides the brake. It is difficult to tell if this time they're using the pedal as a foot rest or if they're slowing gently, or braking hard. After a few thousand times of them not actually slowing down, you automatically distrust their brake lights. A tool that uses methods other than my eyes to alert me to how rapidly the car ahead is braking would be helpful.

I tend to give myself enough distance but a moment's distraction (eg checking the mirror/blindspots to see if it's safe to change lane) at the wrong time can quickly lead to disaster.

We humans have at least a 1 second reaction time, and often it is slower. Anything that can be on the brakes before us is helpful. Something that beeps and gently applies the brakes is going to significantly reduce emergency stopping distances as by the time I am ready to respond, there is already some loading of the front wheels and my sudden stab at the brake pedal is going to work better with this than without.

And one of the best aids I have is the GPS. Despite nearly 30 years in this area there are still many roads I simply haven't learned, and I also often travel to places I have seldom been, or never been before. The GPS audibly tells me where I need to go, and sometimes I can glance at the screen to get an idea when I need to be looking for a different lane or for other road information. No, I do not rely on the GPS to tell me what the road is doing - that is the job of my eyes, ears and nose (yes, as a motorcyclist my nose is an important tool in telling me about the road conditions) - but it saves me having to take my eyes off the road for a map or to look at street signs.

Not all aids are bad, but some should be quietly taken out the back and shot. Followed by their designer.

Kiwi
Thumb Up

Re: Driver Aid

...or the back seat.

...we're going to need a longer spike

Or a shorter one, butt, well let's just say "in a more intimate position".

Kiwi
Facepalm

Time for Musk and the next level or few of managers/CxOs etc to face some real prison time. A day in prison for every day a person spends injured, and 5 years for every person killed.

At the first few incidents it could be seen to be teething problems, even if tragically someone died. But given there was an almost identical fatality fatality and I believe several more similar incidents far enough back for it to be a known problem, that they let it ship puts them up there in the culpable homicide/negligence leading to death/manslaughter area. Not quite murder but I think many juries would happily find them guilty of that.

As said by myself and others, calling it "auto pilot" is a big part of the issue as the general public equates "auto pilot" with "automatic driving" ie "fully self driving". No, we're not airline pilots - we're people who watch movies and "documentatires" telling us that autopilot systems can fully control and even land a plane.

I also mentioned that years back I had experience with exercise equipment that had the ability to measure your pulse via simple metalic plates placed in the hand grips - Tesla could make these types of things a stylish and functional addition to the steering wheel and if the car detects no pulse or situation where the driver is almost certainly unconscious (a "wrong" pulse rate) then the car can sound an alarm for a couple of seconds, start slowing down (instantly), and if no action is taken after 5 seconds start pulling over to the nearest safe stopping point. They are capable of doing this, they've chosen not to, they're culpable for these deaths and need to be dealt with effectively.

This stuff isn't hard. Tesla's engineers are way above me in levels of what they can think of and what experiences they've had. They're capable of coming up with this stuff, but someone said "no". They don't want a car that automatically comes to a safe and complete stop as soon as the driver stops responding, they want a car they can pretend requires the driver to be active and in reality can drive you to your destination while you read a book.

And they name their things with stupid names like "auto pilot". If they really don't believe the name matters, name it "Kill your children" or "Murder the Driver" or even the time-honoured "Murder Death Kill" which has its own catchy acronym.

Time for heads to roll. Not the little guy who is doing their best but limited by management, but the management who have decided that lives are expendable.

Prez Trump's trade war reshapes electronics supply chains as China production slows

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

"It's only pointless if you don't care about how well your local economy does."

And as I said, I dont.

You should.

Some years back I used to support a couple of kids. The wrecked economy of their land meant both parents (him a doctor and her a school teacher) working full time could not even match the paltry $10NZ I was contributing each week.

Look at the places that've had massive inflation. Think your car will keep running when you cannot afford to buy petrol? Or when expensive parts like spark plugs are each worth a few years of your salary?

As to healthy eating, if you have space grow your own food - as much as you can. It is something I can honestly say was life-changing for me - much less stress (when the missus pisses me off I can piss off out the back and do something creative, productive, fulfilling and de-stressing at whatever pace suits - not to mention tasty!), got me back into eating veges after a couple of decades of being a meatetarian (though I did eat plenty of delicious and healthy white bread...),

Certainly, when you food is produced locally you can bet it's fresher and less likely to have been exposed to pollution. Of course, you could also import your melaninmilk powder from China, but it might taste a bit odd and you might feel a bit funny for a while.

Being able to get stuff done locally is a lot more convenient for someone who has to work. Knowing your local tradie can get the job done and will do it well is much easier than hoping the cheap knock-off firm will not only send you the right parts, but also that the parts will actually work.

I purchased a "rotary tool" (wot we used to call 'Dremels") today, and spent some time talking with the people behind the counter to be sure the tool I brought and the accessories with it would do the job I wanted. Turns out there was some stuff that'd be really useful that's NOT in the standard kit. I could've sat at home and ordered it, but no matter what I got I'd have not had the expertise avaiaalble that got me a much better product for only a little more that is much more likely to do what I want, and with the best accessories for the job I will be doing this weekend as well. If I got it online, in a weeks time I'd get something that would turn out to maybe do the job, but not as easily as I'd like.

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

"If the US really believes that China is violating WTO rules, then there is an existing mechanism to handle that"

The existing mechanism is a joke and takes years to get anything done. Trump's method seems to be hitting the nail on the head much faster.

Only it's a screw, not a nail, and it's getting wrecked.

When you're bozo the groping clown everything looks like something you want to nail....

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

"It gets even stupider with the twits who go to Ali Express, Amazon etc rather than using local firms (from a Kiwi perspective)."

For everything I buy, I buy from the most local producer that I can. But there is a wide swath of things that there are no local producers at all for.

I'm much the same. Priortise on made near me, made in my country, made by a locally owned company, made by a NZ owned company, sold by a local/NZ owned company, sold by somewhere overseas.

Quality and price can come in to it - but there has to be a significant price difference or quality difference for me to choose non-local over local. I'm also quite happy to wait patiently for stuff. There really is very little I need "right now".

But I am one of these stupid people who will pay $70 and wait 3 weeks for a well-made part that I could get in an untested Chinese made version for $50 and wait one week off ebay. Then again, I have known people who've come to grief with the cheap Chinese stuff.

I do have bits of cheap Chinese stuff in my loaner and road toolboxes (so if it gets nicked so what? Serves them right if it snaps on them and hurts them!), but that was simply a matter of buying what I could afford at the time, and as I get better quality stuff I put the lower quality stuff into other boxes.

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

"None of the big-box "auto enthusiast" car parts stores sold them or even had staff who knew what they were"

Even if they did, the big-box stores are almost certainly buying them from Chinese manufacturers, so that doesn't count as buying from a local producer.

If it's made locally then buy locally. If not, at least by buying from a local store I have it immediately and I help someone to eat locally. Especially if the company is fully locally owned even if they import most of their wares.

As mentioned above, the stuff you need is not stocked by the bigger firms because it's not common. At least with some real knowledge they know what I want and can order it in if they don't stock it.

The big focus on cheapness and convenience will only make "Idiocracy" a documentary. We're already seeing scary amounts of that today :(

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

"As a matter of interest what do you anticipate the impact to be when part of your domestic market becomes part of your international market?"

It wont. This is why I am happy to ignore a lot of crying and toy throwing from the cradle because a fair amount of it is nothing more than hot air.

Seen that..

NZ will always have it's ability to service large ships as we're too remote to go anywhere else and.. Wait, why are you buggering off to Singapore? Why is that tanker being towed by a sea-going tug? Why are our passenger ferries being drawn off?

At least we'll always have our airline service industry, one of the best and most respected in the world. Plus it's kind of a captive market, once they land if they need work they have to have it done here and.. Hey, where are all those planes going?

Oh well.. At least our local power infrastructure will be serviced by local companies, also world respected and.. What's this container load of imported switch gear doing in what used to be the factory floor?

NZ innovated very well and punched way above its weight because we had to. We were way too far from anywhere to get anything imported, so we either had to make it ourselves or make do with what we had. We had some of the best engineers and innovators, people used to taking a little and making it do a lot. We exported much of our technology and imported relatively little. We also had 0 unemployment and low crime rates.

But then shipping got cheaper and faster, and coms got much faster. We now have high unemployment, high crime, and most of our production has gone off-shore. Entire industries have disappeared from our shores and the products are now made in Chinese sweat shops. I saw a number of places suddenly sell up their local stake and ship all of their production to China. And as someone else pointed out, there was suddenly no reason to keep the head office here either. Oh, and the knowledgeful engineers and coders and the like? Well those who could speak Chinese got to stay on and train their replacements. Those who weren't able to train their replacements got an early redundancy package.

We do produce a surprising amount of "hot air" with our political aspirations and our "knowledge economy".

Used to be one person working 40 hours/week could easily feed a family of 5 and pay off the mortgage in 5-10 years. Now 2 people with no kids working full time and on >150K between them could just as well be sleeping in their car because they cannot find a place they can afford to rent.

If it can happen to a place as remote as NZ, there's a fair bet it can happen to your firm. Keep some spare boxes near your desk. Or do something to prevent following in our footsteps.

Kiwi

Re: Allow me to remind you

In the flooded basement scene, where the plumber says "If I ordered the part today.... which I wont..."

Oblig Dilbert

Kiwi
Pint

Re: Allow me to remind you

Oh how I am so nostalgic for the wistful remembering we used to get when I was young...

I don't think that's quite the word I was after, but it is somewhat reminiscent of it.... :)

Kiwi
Pint

Re: Allow me to remind you

The problem with buying locally for me is the lethargy of local suppliers....

There's your problem. You've done nothing to improve the local suppliers, instead you've dumped them altogether without even letting them know you exist.

What sort of work do you do? Do you rely on locals buying your product? Maybe they should all go overseas.

Have you tried to get decent knowledge on vehicle parts or other things recently? Last year I went hunting for valve lapping tools. None of the big-box "auto enthusiast" car parts stores sold them or even had staff who knew what they were, despite running adverts where they show someone who can tell you what car an oil filter fits just by the stain a used filter leaves on a sheet of paper (or something like that). A slightly more expensive but much much much much much more quality parts/tools etc seller that is also local (not nation-wide or international such as the big-box lot) had what I needed and also the appropriate compounds to go with it. And as it was my first go with a bike head we sat down over a coffee and chatted while I worked in their shop under their experienced eyes (though it was also their first go with a bike as well).

So talk to your locals. Let them know they've lost business thanks to being slow, and give them the chance to improve. Make them your first port of call.

I prefer to have bits in my hands and people I can talk with especially when I am doing something out-of-the-ordinary (hey, one of my bikes once was part Suzuki part Railway station so....[*]) The knowledge of experience and having someone to take stuff back to when it doesn't fit is invaluable. I have gone the ebay route sometimes, but either when stuff simply isn't available or - like in the case of Honda - stupidly expensive, eg another bike's gasket kit is $80 delivered from Ebay whereas from Honda local it's >$700 - but even the local dealers say "Don't buy Honda parts". OTOH, consumables and common parts are easier to obtain, I get to have a friendly chat with knowledgeable people, and I know it'll fit and if it doesn't I can have it back to them and swapped for the proper part inside an hour.

Or.. everyone can go to overseas firms (or Amazon et al) for their stuff. Just bear in mind what that will do to your local economy - your house prices, the options for and quality of food, and of course your own job which might disappear to one of those foreign firms you prefer. In the long run, buying from overseas isn't cheaper, but when you learn that it's far to late.

[*] A remodel of the station.. An item that was in the scrap pile that fitted exactly[2] what I needed to replace on the bike that, due to age, wasn't available as an OEM part'

[2] Well near enough to exactly. Only someone familiar with the bike would notice, if they looked hard enough.

Kiwi
Pint

Re: Allow me to remind you

Allow me to remind you that outsourcing manufacturing to cheaper countries is no different from outsourcing your high paid IT job to cheaper countries, it just affects different people.

It gets even stupider with the twits who go to Ali Express, Amazon etc rather than using local firms (from a Kiwi perspective).

Keep trying to get people to understand that if we all buy seemingly cheap stuff from overseas, then no one in our country will be generating any real income. The fewer people in NZ generating income, the fewer people spending with local businesses. The fewer spending locally, the less likely it is they will spend with your business.

When I was like 9 years old I selfishly drooled over the model trains I could more realistically buy with the massive reductions in trade tariffs/import duties that were going on around that time. I've grown up much since then, and seen many big employers and a hell of a lot of small employers close down or move overseas.

Horridly, that almost means I'm agreeing with Chump. I'll have to get myself checked into a mental health clinic forthwith to make sure there's nothing seriously wrong with me (well, nothing new anyway)

(--> El Reg - we need a "wistful remembering[*]" icon!)

[*] - yeah, you know what I mean. Unfortunately the right word just ain't coming to my mind right now!

Guess what shrinks when it gets cold and then you shake it around a little? The Moon. We're talking about the Moon

Kiwi
Boffin

Re: Youve got it wrong

(funny they dont cause moonquakes - Nasa recorded only 28 since 1969).

They probably do, to a degree. What registers on the sensor however would be a function of the size of the meteorite, the speed of travel, and the proximity of the impact to the sensors.

Kiwi
Coat

Isn't the Moon grey? Who makes grey cheese?

Obviously you've never seen inside a student's fridge...

Kiwi

Re: Fascinating stuff

Tell me what you disagree with in the maths.

I'll put as much effort into that as you've put into seeing even just one way dust can be removed from (or not reach) a rock surface in an atmosphere-free environment.

For that matter, I haven't even seen any evidence of the alleged "dust-free rocks", but assuming you're right on the existence of the specific ones you refer to - well, I can think of a few methods which can make them free of dust. Got a link so I can see what it is of which you speak? I'd maybe be able to tell you with some specifics if I knew what you were actually referring to. If you're as capable of math as you imagine yourself to be, you surely should be able to come up with at least 3 methods by which the rock became or remained dust free.

Assuming it actually existed. Given your complaints elsewhere about the quality of the video, how can you be sure the dust was simply beyond the ability of the camera to capture it?

You've clearly not given any thought to this. Try again?

(PS, even after washing a rock on earth, it's still pretty difficult to find one that is truly "dust free" - it is actually easier for this to happen in space)

As to the Mythbusters episode - them at their worst was still better than anything I've seen from you on this topic. I don't watch much of their trash and only recall them doing stuff with life-sized things except maybe a re-creation of one of the photographs to show you can easily get multiple shadow directions with a number of objects strewn about a non-flat terrain from a singular light source (something anyone who has used a camera can quickly figure out)... Perhaps you can try again to debunk their debunking of your claims? Thought not.

Kiwi
Facepalm

Re: Fascinating stuff

Wow, so you are anti-maths now.

Trust me.. It's not us who are wrong. To quote one of our less-wise posters here, "Ignorance is fine, as long as you keep it to yourself."

Watch some TV. Maybe Mythbuster's episode on trying to "fake" the landings like your weird lot claim.

(BTW, with a little thought (if you're capable of that much?) would show you a few ways that you can get "dust-free" rocks in an atmosphere-free environment - and you may also find you're wrong on whether or not said rocks actually were "dust free").

Kiwi
Boffin

Re: Hmmm...

There was this one guy who made predictions.. Unfortunately they're about as MrReal's guff.

Actually more real - his predictions are 100% accurate. The problem is the predictions are "you're more likely to get a significant earthquake within 2 weeks before or 2 weeks after a full moon than at any other time".

Kiwi

Re: Fascinating stuff

A successful hoax on that scale would probably be as difficult to accomplish as an actual moon landing, though in a different way.

And of course there's that saying about if NASA had faked that, why haven't they faked any other significant achievements?

Anyway, we all know the moon is now a holographic projection made by Queen Victoria when she accidentally queefed in the original Moon's general direction and blew it out of orbit.

How much open source is too much when it's in Microsoft's clutches? Eclipse Foundation boss sounds note of alarm

Kiwi
Mushroom

Can MicroSoft do more damage to Linux than Lennart Poettering has?

Best thing is to go BOFH-style on them. Lock mickey$loth and pottything in a room together, half-bricks on the table in front of them. Whoever does the most damage to the other gets to live to go on to the next round.

Which is where we nuke them from orbit - it's the only way to be sure.

Tractors, not phones, will (maybe) get America a right-to-repair law at this rate: Bernie slams 'truly insane' situation

Kiwi

Re: "When"

I would like to pre-empt you by saying that there is no moral way to implement socialism, because it bases itself on theft.

And yet, the early Christians did exactly that. You sold your property, gave the money (as much as you wanted anyway) to the commune for the benefit of all, and lived there with the others prospering or failing with everyone else. No one owned any property, everyone worked for the community not the self.

Kiwi
Flame

It's not just JD of course. I recall opening the service manual for a 2002 VW Polo to work out how to replace a light bulbs. The service book literally said "Light bulbs are not user replaceable, please contact your local dealer".

Just this week came across that in a Toyota van a friend was wanting to upgrade the headlights in. "Take to authorised service centre". So if you're on a dark desert/mountain highway at dusk, miles from any shelter, and your headlights fail..... (unlikely but not impossible for both to fail at the same time - or one to have been dead a wee while and the other fails)

So the bulbs will cost $20/pair, but the installation will be over $100/pair, at the very least $80 (minimum service rates 'n all that).

Kiwi
Thumb Up

"It's not desirable for farmers to fix their own tractors"

Every single farmer that I have ever known has worked on all of their own equipment.

Indeed. I started learning stuff by being given the task of fixing a MF 35 when I was around 14 or 15.

Had to fix it myself coz I was the one wot broke it, and I was in a field a long way from home - or shelter.

Was also a jury-rigged "get me home" fix - but I got to learn very quickly the importance of doing roadside fixes well enough to last till the job is done right (and for that matter, the annoyance of doing them well enough to last a long time - disincentive to replace the duct-tape covering the hole with a new section of air hose or.....)