Re: No oxygen
Who ever dresses their eyes?
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This would be the same US (along with those "longing for a deal" Canada, Australia, India, China, New Zealand etc.) who are now suing us over the brexit damage we're causing them? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/australia-brexit-trade-disruption-eu-wto-news-a9205496.html
As for "leave means leave", you said there were no discussions on any conditions attached to a leave vote. Those links I posted show that there is.
Sigh, there are many fact checking sites out there, and even then, it's easy to research further, and not trust them blindly, and I know you're not a moron, so why are you continuing to push daily mail/express fibbing-points that you know are untrue?
Leave just means leave, eh? You keep forgetting (you've been reminded before):
This is what the leave campaign said at the time, straight from the horses mouths:
Boris Johnson said we'd stay in the single-market: https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-single-market-brexit-campaign-customs-union-2018-1?r=US&IR=T
As did Farage, and MANY others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY
As did MEP Dan Hannan: "Nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market": https://www.voteleavewatch.org.uk/leaving_the_single_market_is_not_an_option
Andrea Leadsom said we will have the same access to the single market http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noK4OJOjmVk
Gerard Batten (UKIP leader) "A trade deal with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee"
Boris Johnson: "There is no plan for no deal because we are going to get a great deal"
And Liam Fox promised that the 40 trade deals we'd lose access to after leaving the EU will all be replicated or improved on immediately after Britain leaves. How many of the 40 has he improved on..... **ZERO** Well, OK, how many has he replicated? **A BIG FAT ZERO** (Update: 22nd July 2019: 12 deals have been made - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47213842)
Liam Fox: "The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history"
John Redwood and Rees-Mogg said a second referendum would be a good idea once a deal has been finalised: https://infacts.org/rees-mogg-history-backing-second-eu-referendums/
Dominic Raab: I hadn't quite understood the full extent of this but... we are particularly reliant on the Dover-Calais crossing"
Sorry for the delay - only just saw your post.
Finally, someone who gets it! :-)
Damn.. You nailed it.. Of course! The interface I am using is bascially "mouse emulation of touchscreen" - I should have described it that way in the first place!
And yeah, of course!! - What I need to start looking for is mouse-aware touchscreen interfaces.
Thanks, your reply has helped a lot. I've been approaching this the wrong way.
And thanks also for the firefox/chrome info, though I haven't managed to get it to work like that on chromium-freebsd or chrome-chromebox. Maybe there's a setting somewhere...
What would really be the game changer is an xterm that works that way 'terminal emulator' by jackpal on android and the ability to scroll quickly and easily through previous work is so much easier!
"touch-drag scroll, and hold-to-copy" - just as nature intended!
I owe you many pints!
P.S. I can't get any of the x-servers to work on android either, but the vnc solution using this free vnc product (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.realvnc.viewer.android) is pretty good if you don't need hardware accelerated graphics
Apologies for the delay - only just seen your reply.
Yes, that's how I have to scroll when using an x11 interface. I agree with both your points:
1) A scroll wheel is much easier.
2) It's fiddly with lots of content using the scroll bar.
I can't currently use a mouse with a scroll wheel, so I'm forced to use the scrollbar method as you describe.
However, with android and a mouse, I suppose the best way to think about it is that it emulates a touchscreen - holding the left button down, moving the mouse is like dragging your finger along the screen at that point.
So with android, I can quickly scroll any window just by click/hold the mouse anywhere on the window (even if not the active one), and also "fling" it (i.e a quick swipe action) to scroll quickly when navigating something big... doing a one click ("single touchscreen tap") to stop it. It's the best way I've ever experienced for navigating through a large page.
If you have an android device, plug a usb mouse in and you'll see :-) - it's all "plug and play"
It's far superior to scrollbars. Without a mouse-wheel, I'm not going to go back to "the old way!"
cheers
Mouse events are handled and interpreted by the X11 client that currently has pointer focus - that can be the window manager or an application
Yes, I realise that, which is why I asked earlier in the thread if anyone knew of an environment for x11 that gives that functionality.
When he suggested "android-x86" my reply "ideally I want the mouse interface native to the unix os." was somewhat clumsy. I meant that I want to have this functionailty on a desktop on my unix os of choice (FreeBSD), not install something else (android-x86) to achieve it - that solution would be "accessing remote ssh and X sessions on FreeBSD over a desktop android", which is what I do already (albeit android-arm64)
You could write a window manager that intercepts all mouse events, translates them as you prefer, and then forwards them to the window with pointer focus
No, *I* couldn't! :-)
As for X, I've been using it since about 1992ish. I've used the "default behaviors" from CDE and openwindows on HP and Sun systems, to all sorts of window managers on FreeBSD, but if I find something that works *better* (which I did), then I'm going to want to use that! The default method works ok with a scroll-wheel, but for other reasons, I can't currently use one of them.
I too have no knowledge of Wayland, but would be willing to use it if I could get it to do what I want, and it still has the X functionality I find useful!
Cheers for the reply.. I upvoted. I guess your downvote was from a wayland fan :-)
Well, that's something I've used, but ideally I want the mouse interface native to the unix os.
I've hacked up my arm android tv box to have a fuller unix experience, but it's not android I want, it's the interface!
And to the downvoter, please respond to why you downvoted a question. I'd love to know where I've gone wrong - how else can I improve myself for you in future? I know... never mention downvotes!
Thanks for he reply. I'm just talking about the mouse action. I've used all sorts of desktops on X since CDE on sun and HP boxes, but I've not found any that allow you to hold down the left button, and then use the "mouse" to scroll. I tend to use an "airmouse keyboard" so on android, just by holding the left mouse button, I can scroll through the page just by moving the keyboard.
Every x system I've used treats this operation as copy (with middle button as paste)
On android, if you do want to copy, you hold the mouse buton down for a second without moving the mouse, and then it flicks into copy mode.
It's so intuitive, I hate going back to X - copy/paste is used too infrequently to operate using such "prime" controls?
Help me out here! i'm a freebsd diehard, but currently use an android desktop as my main system - I mostly use ssh in a terminal to the freebsd boxes, or can vnc to them if i want a freebsd desktop.
And why? ...
Any x11 unix desktops that have the option to ditch silly sidebar scrolling, instead using left mouse button - drag as scroll, with a long press left button to activate copy mode instead?
This is the "android way" (plug a mouse into your android box)
We don't all like mouse scroll wheels.
chromeOS still works the "x11" way, except under android mode, which does it the "android" way. I'm hoping they'll integrate the android way into the main os.
To "unlock" it, you select the relevent "developer" option on boot-up. The system is then yours to do what you want with.
If you cock up, or want support, you simply select the rebuild option which will automatically factory reset the device, and install the latest chromeOS software, making it all like new again. Of course, at this point you can again choose the "developer" option.
A shame, then, that you are too stupid to be able to chose a menu option if you want google to do it for you.... I expect they'd laugh at you, but if you know any 5 year olds, they'll be able to help you out.
I managed to get back an expired domain I'd lost, and started getting email from stripe.com about payments received. I went to the site, it had a "reset my password via email" link that I clicked, and subsequently received a password-reset token url.
I didn't precede further, but contacted them, explaining the situation, and they said they couldn't alter the email address as I wasn't the account holder, and besides, they couldn't remove an address - just replace it with a different one, and as I had no knowledge of their new email address, nothing could be done.
A few mails back and fore, I finally lost patience and said they should contact their sysadmin, and PR, and legal department for a solution, because if it transpired that they knew someone had unauthorised access to someone elses account, and decided to withdraw the few hundred dollars that were going in, it wouldn't go down well.
I was assured by reply that the email address had subsequently been disabled. It hadn't. I just ended up bouncing mail sent to that address, but checking the logs now, they still appeared for about 6 months (up until September)
This app has been reported to Google for GPL violations, and nothing has been done about it, years later:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vmlite.vncserver
See: https://github.com/oNaiPs/droidVncServer/issues/110
and: http://www.vmlite.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=20&id=17819
Hmmm, that's a bit short-sighted of them, in my opinion. Not only would the charge be easily disputed, it will mean more hassle for the bank as more people cancel cards completely!
Doesn't surprise me though...
Cheers for the reply
Me neither. And when I read this article, I assumed it wasn't active on my account, but I checked the link ("Peterl" posted it above, https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/settings/your-devices/ref=atv_set_your-devices) and I had 5 android devices linked! Not any more!
I totally agree about Amazon becoming a third party scammers site. Disgusting. They should be fined heavily for all the shite they allow to be adverised through them.
Also, the number of times I've had to tell people who are being fobbed off: "You bought from Amazon. You paid Amazon. Your contract is with Amazon. It's Amazons problem, and they do have to abide by EU consumer law."
I gave up yesterday trying to find a simple statement on paypal (Remember when the site used to actually have useful functionality? Every time I go on there these days, it seems to be getting dumber and dumber, with functionality replaced by big round buttons and lots of white space)
Anyone know how? It showed me my current balance, it showed me my recent transaction. I wanted to know my balance at a certain point a few days ago (I had a few combinations of payments in and payments out around the same time, and wanted to see whether any crossed)
You'd expect the statement to show "balance" after every transaction. It did at one time. I guess they thought there were too many confusing numbers.
I tried the android app. It's even less functional than the brain dead website... And don't get me started on the general trend of sites getting dumber and dumber and removing functionality, or changing things to make them crappier (Looking at you, Google) - Youtube on android has recently changed the way of having the video running in a small thumbnail to taking up a quarter of the damn screen.. No option to revert to previous behaviour of course... Fortunately I archive all old apps automatically, but how long an older version will continue to work, I don't know...) Damn... you got me started!
I posted a big post here, but cloudflare said my posting was blocked.
EDIT: I give up. It seems cloudflare is sensoring posts mentioning cloudflare :-)
Basically, see subject, or view following link:
Here's my post http://www.welshgit.net/misc/dns_blacklisting_is_not_how_the_IWF_blacklist_operates.html
Quit treating us like morons, and stop putting stupid stock images on articles in the first place.
If it's an article about someone in particular, sure, show a picture of them, but otherwise... you don't need a patronising tenuously linked image on every bloody article.
And no, you're not having your ball back.
Despite being a FreeBSD guy, "doing unix" professionally for over 25 years, and having used x11 since the days of CDE on Sun and HP hardware, I now tend to use android for my desktop!
I've "unixified" the command line, have added lots more native disk space, and NFS, can use vnc to my freebsd boxes if required, and usually have lots of terminals open to freebsd boxes.
But, until someone can tell me about another system that does left-mouse-button drag to scroll (rather than copy) I'm likely to keep it this way... Long press of left-mouse-button to enable copy mode is fine. Otherwise it should be scroll.
Side-bar scolling is annoying.
Well, we know how successful the apps stores have been in verifying apps, and not getting tricked by app updates.
The same thing will happen here. Whilst Joe-user has (slowly!) been conditioned not to install software from "untrusted sources", now it will all be ok, just because of some cursory check by apple beforehand.
Anything dodgy that manages to slip through the net will now be blindly trusted by users, whilst everything that actually fails testing should (without this system) also fail virus checks / OS security anyway.
Also, if a passed app is later found to be dodgy, is there a revoking mechanism?
Hmmm, the seeds were set in the way they've got users to accept their phones and tablets being tied down. It was only a matter of time before these "enhancements" crept to the desktops.
Oh, and both android and IOS/MacOS run on linux/free unix derivates, but that doesn't help the situation.
Thanks for the reply.
Most useful
My unauthorised devices which work fine are all built pre the date given, which is presumably why they still work.
As for the binaries, I had assumed they were freely distributable, as I thought google would want to get their stamp on every device out there. Obviously I was wrong.
I realise that I'm in the minority using android as a desktop, but it's so frustrating not being able to have a more powerful version of my current customised setup.
http://www.welshgit.net/misc/desktop-20190316.png
I even bought the highest spec asus chromebox 3 recently, and trying to reduce the dumbed down "everything in a browser" chromeos in preference for the android emulation has been a hassle, and not 100% successful.
My point is, I've only been able to do my setup on a chinese box. If google continues to restrict android, and then restrict more open android platform, they'll lose me as a customer.
Can someone PLEASE invent a nice window manager that isn't hobbled? I have no desire to copy text every time I left-click or scroll using a narrow scroll bar... x11 is a pain in the arse.
All I want is a decent powrful and unstripped unix system underneath (I'd prefer FreeBSD but will take Linux), with android compatibility, and an android-style mouse-interface (which works more or less like the touch interface), and I'm willing to pay!
Sorry, rant over... And I didn't mean to post the previous as anon!
Cheers
That's what gets me. The whole lot of them are a bunch of incompetent, self-serving, unprincipled liars... Our very own Trump administration.
Whatever you think of Corbyn or anyone else, I can't see how anyone would like to see any of this horrid mess anywhere other than prison.
And to add to your first point, I blame the EU for brexit. If there was no EU, we'd not be in it, therefore we'd not be leaving it!
Simple!
The ironic thing is that the "Muslims" they are referring to are generally from non-EU countries, who are already restricted by UK law (If a brexitter disagrees, ask them why so many try to sneak in via the chunnel or in the backs of lorries).
Post Brexit, the French won't have a duty to help is with this, so we are likely to get more coming in.
Coupled that with the EU- rules already mentioned above by "MuscleGuy" that we could remove EU nationals not pulling their weight, and the whole net effect of brexit on immigration will be to increase it.
That and the general mayhem that will effect brexitters first means the poor dears will not have a good time... They'll still blame the EU though.
I even had that stupid "lisbon treaty" bullshit sent to me on the weekend with the message "Did you know this?" - How can anyone for one second believe some of this shit is true? https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/
TL; DR "Aladdin Sane" is right
Yeah, that video was pretty rubbish. I at least expected a "before" shot!
Ah Morfa.. The old copper works... Swansea was apparently the copper capital of the world at one time (http://www.swanseamuseum.co.uk/whats-on/past-exhibitions/copperopolis). The copper works only closed in 1980 and the whole area had to go through a massive cleanup to get us to the roundabouts and housing estates of today!
The swansea valley stuff is quite interesting. The old canal is being restored further North (it's been completely built over city-side), and yeah, lots of old railway tracks, what with the coal from the valleys, the copper, and the docks... Swansea Museum has quite a bit on all that.