* Posts by Robert Helpmann??

2583 publicly visible posts • joined 31 May 2011

Earth's noggin took quite a clockin' back in the day: Now a second meteorite crater spotted under Greenland ice

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Boffin

Re: The cratered Earth

the late heavy bombardment peppered the planet quite thoroughly but in 3-4 billion years since then most of the crust has been recycled except for a few places like Greenland.

Not so much. The world as a whole bears plenty of evidence of meteor strikes. To quote someone who knows a lot more about it than I:

"If you didn’t know better, you’d suspect meteors were targeting Australia, North America and Europe. It’s not that there are so many craters there, it’s that there are so many geologists there, plus countries affluent enough to do detailed geologic mapping."

- Steven Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin – Green Bay

There is also evidence there are craters under Antarctic ice, but it's not the most hospitable environment to go looking.

REF: https://malagabay.wordpress.com/2013/06/05/tektites-4-primary-and-secondary-impact-craters/

Accused hacker Lauri Love tries to retrieve Fujitsu lappie and other gear from Britain's FBI in court

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Paris Hilton

Re: "Britain's FBI"

I did a search for "Britain's FBI". All the top results were for UK sites. I am not sure who it is being aimed at though I think there is some need for compensation being implied by the phrase.

Hungover this morning? Thought 'beer before wine and you'll be fine'? Boffins prove old adage just isn't true

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Childcatcher

Re: Indeed

The issue with the idea that a hangover is tied to learning not to overindulge, drink a particular thing or whatever is that it is too far removed from a particular behavior. In order to make the connection strong enough to matter, the hangover would have to start very soon after drinking. Obviously, this is not the case on any level. Puking is more likely to cause an individual to learn they've done a very bad thing to their body (via the Garcia effect), but they are much more likely to recall that connection when they are drunk enough that it is too late rather than at the beginning of a potential binge.

Only plebs use Office 2019 over Office 365, says Microsoft's weird new ad campaign

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Childcatcher

Re: Nothing like having your work day extended a few more hours because 'The Cloud' is unavailable.

If you're going to install a local client and work on local files, why would you want to pay for a subscription cloud service instead of just paying once for the actual local client?

I agree with the sentiment, but my college student child got the cloud version pre-installed on her school supplied laptop, but stores everything locally because she often works from locations with no connectivity. Choice is good, even in cases that may only make sense for a small percentage of a user base.

London's Met police confess: We made just one successful collar in latest facial recog trial

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Big Brother

Re: Bodycam?

"Acting suspiciously" is a wonderfully versatile phrase that can be used to harass or detain pretty much anyone within sight as it would seem to rely entirely on the judgement of the officer assessing the situation. No-one is above suspicion although some are more worthy of it than others.

Boffin suggests Trappist monk approach for Spectre-Meltdown-grade processor flaws, other security holes: Don't say anything public – zip it

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FAIL

Re: You don't say

"The professor handwaves your point in his original post".

He addresses it, just not in a convincing manner. We already have plenty of examples of a variety of approaches, from immediate full disclosure to reporting directly to vendors with no public disclosure and we have seen plenty of responses ranging from completely inadequate to robust. We have enough data to make up our minds which approach works best in most cases and that's really what's important. More to the point, what the professor proposes simply flies in the face of real world evidence.

Also, having the public's anxieties ratchet up is necessary in as much as if there is no anxiety about security flaws, there will be no patches deployed or fixes made. Complacency is the enemy of security!

Mobile network Three UK's customer details exposed in homepage blunder

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Just to spell it out – if anyone from Three with any influence is reading these comments – there are broadly two ways to respond to incidents like this:

(1) 'Oh this is all a silly load of fuss about nothing really...

The vast majority of people are going to accept this and move on.

(2) 'We experienced a problem with a software upgrade...

That same group of people, if you hit them with this will have their eyes roll up in their heads and start frothing if it goes on for too long.I try to educate friends and family concerning these issues, but it is truly an uphill battle.

Musk shows off the latest power plant for Starship, replaces Tesla CFO with a millennial

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Boffin

Re: Pedantry: thrust units.

I think you mean 19619 Norris.

That's right on a number of levels. I hear Musk's next project will be cloning Chuck Norris and then having the clones all stand in a carefully calculated formation from which they can simultaneously punch an enormous rocket into space. That could definitely work!

I'm a crime-fighter, says FamilyTreeDNA boss after being caught giving folks' DNA data to FBI

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Childcatcher

Re: "who wish to locate birth parents but are prevented from being given by the information by law"

Right now, the information may be used by law enforcement for identifying suspects based on DNA evidence. That's now. What about when this information slips out into the wild because of some hack or sloppiness on the part of the government? Is it possible that it might, even if still controlled by the company and accessed by law enforcement, be used for other purposes (political, for example) or to enforce laws that we do not have yet and may not be to the benefit of the customers of this service?

There are certain areas where medical professionals are legally bound to work with law enforcement. This is not one of them. Until it is and everyone is aware of it, then FamilyTreeDNA is violating what most would consider ethical behavior and should be sanctioned.

Want a bit of privacy? Got a USB stick? Welcome to TAILS 3.12

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Childcatcher

Re: frozen-RAM attacks

How often does that get used in practice?

Keeping the machine powered on is Computer Forensics 101. If there is an opportunity to do this, it will typically be done. I find myself yelling at TV crime shows that depict law enforcement turning machines off after having just caught their suspect in the act because that is just how basic a step that is.

Ca-caw-caw: Pigeon poops on tot's face as tempers fray at siege of Lincoln flats

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Childcatcher

All the usual ooptions

Shoot them, trap them, scare them, block their perches and nesting areas, release raptors to snack on them, use drones to harass them - all of these have been done with varying degrees of success for similar problems elsewhere. What is called for here is something a bit different... something unique. To that end, please vote on the following or suggest your own solution that may in some way have a connection to the issue (or not).

1) Microwave blasts to fry the flying beasts while in the air. Not as far-fetched as you might think. Radar will accomplish this if used (in)correctly.

2) Declare war on the bastards! I know declaring war on things is more of an American thing, but it has worked fairly well for us. Stage a WWII re-enactment themed fumigation the entire area. There must be some vintage aircraft that could be used to drop gas canisters onto the benighted area.

3) Open the town as a cat sanctuary while running a simultaneous campaign to encourage cat ladies from all over the world to bring their pussies to have a good time. If only one or two decide to do this, the problem of roaming cats will quickly displace that of dive-bombing pigeons. Dogs next, followed by goats, cows and horses.

Q. What do you call an IT admin for 20-plus young children? A. A teacher

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Childcatcher

Re: "Young students, for example, cannot be expected to remember and enter a password. "

The problem with school IT is usually more with the teachers than the students....

My wife is an early years teacher. She has a passion for it. She does not have a passion for IT security, and neither has she been taught how to deal with it. And neither have her bosses.

I humbly submit the problem as you describe it is not with the teachers, either. IT security is not a requirement for teachers to do their primary job. Same as for school admins. There are people who can be brought in to set this up, explain it to the various customers (teachers, children, school administrators, parents) and keep it going. The issue is with the public not seeing this as a need to be addressed and then providing the resources with which to do it. The people who should be taking this to the public to explain the need, request funds and whatever else it takes are the local school boards and state and federal departments of education, at least in the US. This is a matter of policy and budget, not something local school administrators should be expected to deal with.

Florida man's deadliest catch forces police to evacuate Taco Bell

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Childcatcher

Taco Bell Shut Down!

The man was performing a public service.

The lighter side of HMRC: We want your money, but we also want to make you laugh

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Childcatcher

Re: you have the Channel.

The Romans tried a couple of walls in the area. Perhaps they could be relocated a bit to the west to save on materials costs.

Build the wall... around your DNS settings, US govt IT staff urged by Homeland Security amid domain hijackings

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Childcatcher

There are a lot of odd things that have resulted from the US government shutdown. For instance, the network of shuttle buses that government employees routinely use to get from one location to another are non-essential. This means that those folks still at work who routinely use public transport have to find a different way to get between work locations than they are used to. This may include taking their own vehicles to work (extra costs for parking and driving) or using a taxi service (more extra costs). This is additional pain for those not getting paid at this time but are obliged to work.

Wow, fancy that. Web ad giant Google to block ad-blockers in Chrome. For safety, apparently

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Childcatcher

Re: Google are cunts

...cue the lawyers. Its a slam dunk anti-trust class action lawsuit waiting to happen.

I was wondering how long it would be until Google got caught out abusing its monopoly. When it was announced that Microsoft was going to switch to using Chromium, I thought we had hit the tipping point. This confirms my suspicion.

Looks like Uncle Sam has pulled its finger out and appointed a Privacy Shield ombudsperson

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Coat

Re: :-) What say you?

A promising start.

Lead with stream of consciousness,

nonsense ensuing.

Mine's the one with Haiku for Complete Idiots in the pocket.

Stalk my pals on social media and you'll know that the next words out of my mouth will be banana hammock

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Boffin

Re: Gadzooks!

Exactly! Statistical significance is not the same thing as real world utility.

RIP 2019-2019: The first plant to grow on the Moon? Yeah, it's dead already, Chinese admit

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Childcatcher

Re: Bad planning

Impossible to kill and really has no use.

Kudzu has plenty of uses, which is why it is established as an invasive species in the US. It is great for controlling erosion, has a number of uses as food and animal fodder, and is a source of fiber for use in textiles and paper. The problem isn't the plant lacking utility so much as that few in the US make use of it.

Iran satellite fails: ICBM test drive or microsat test? Opinion is divided...

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Childcatcher

Re: Why the false distinction?

...if we don't want to kill each other it won't matter if we know how.

That, unfortunately, is a caveat that is unlikely to hold..

Huawei's horror show 2019 continues as Taiwanese research institute joins banhammer club

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Childcatcher

Re: China Futures ...... in Special AIDerivative Ventures

Bring key developers in-house to develop international product for vendors ...

I tried to run this through...

1) unsuck-it.com - nothing coherent

2) English to Klingon (yes, I know there are differences between Martians and Klingons, but I hoped for some mutual roots in their linguistic set) - it simply lacked the vocabulary.

3) Running it through various online translators going back and forth between one language and another and got this:

"Bringing the main internal developers to develop international products for publishers to sell as genuine Chinese and the bursting of the earth will cost nothing when all billed is still given to the Chinese SMARTR AIMarkets command and control with their virtual product sourcing."

If I squint at this and turn my head sideways, I just make out I have had insufficient alcohol and am leaving work early to rectify this.

Computing boffins strip the fun out of satirical headlines

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Childcatcher

Re: What is funny in one culture or language may not even be transferable into another...

That is the reason why English speakers often find German speakers to lack humor...

It's not the language that causes this perception; it is definitely the culture. The researchers in the article are identified as being from a Swiss university and Microsoft. I cannot for the life of me think of a famous comedian that has come out of either environment.

Cops told: No, you can't have a warrant to force a big bunch of people to unlock their phones by fingerprint, face scans

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Childcatcher

If I remember correctly, if you have a safe with a key, the police can force you to give up the key; but if the safe has a combination, they cannot force you to reveal the combination...

Which feeds directly to my statement that biometrics should only be used to establish ID and not provide authentication for access and is at best used as part of 2FA. Fingerprint readers and facial recognition are indeed like a physical key in that they provide some security, but only against the casual interloper. If you want to have a shot at keeping out the unwanted, they are simply not enough against a more determined attempt.

Spektr-R goes quiet, Dragon splashes down and SpaceX lays off

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Childcatcher

Redundancy by email is undoubtedly the classy way to do it rather than an old-fashioned face-to-face meeting.

From other reporting, there was a company-wide meeting where President and COO Gwynne Shotwell and CEO Elon Musk made the announcement. The meeting was not mandatory, so there were some that first found out via email, but it was not the primary method for communicating the news to the company as a whole. It's still a crappy situation, though.

Here's an article that goes into a bit more depth on that aspect of the story:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/14/elon-musk-gwynne-shotwell-spacex-layoffs-announcement-detailed.html

Smartphones gateway drug to the Antichrist, says leader of Russian Orthodox Church

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Childcatcher

He knows when you are sleeping...

Every time you use your gadget, whether you like it or not, whether you turn on your location or not, somebody can find out exactly where you are, exactly what your interests are and exactly what you are scared of...

My smart phone has been pwned by Santa?

What's 23 times the size of Earth, uncomfortably warm – and has astroboffins excited?

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Boffin

Re: Richard dear chap, what does "about three times Earth's size" mean?

Give us a clue please.

Fair enough. Here's your clue: you can find this information by clicking the embedded link:

https://exoplanets.nasa.gov/news/1542/nasas-tess-rounds-up-its-first-planets-snares-far-flung-supernovae/

... which will allow you to find a paper with the announcement for the newly discovered planet ...

https://arxiv.org/abs/1901.00051

... which in turn lists the size as 2.84+0.26−0.22 (R)

TLDR: About 2.84 times Earth's radius give or take a bit

Real-time OS: Ordnance Survey gets snuggly with Intel's Mobileye

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Childcatcher

Re: Real time tracking of...

Manhole covers?

Or bollards, apparently. I taught my two young nephews that word and had them say it every time we came across one while walking the national mall in DC. It drove their parents up the wall but kept the kids happy. They're never too young to be taught basic principles of security.

Y'know how you might look at someone and can't help but wonder if they have a genetic disorder? We've taught AI to do the same

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Joke

Re: Reading the learning sytem's mind...

Perhaps we could get another machine learning system to monitor the first and learn to provide explanations as to what basis it had for its output... and then another one to validate the results from the secondary system... I suspect if we repeat this enough times, we will find the underlying algorithm amounts to "Because I said so."

Welcome to 2019: Your Exchange server can be pwned by an email (and other bugs need fixing)

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Coffee/keyboard

Re: Give Adobe a break

A round of applause for Adobe, who didn't need to put out a single security fix for Flash today.

So they're ditching the whole thing?!?!?! Holy crap!

Instead, the internet's screen door will see a handful of performance and stability fixes

And I was soooo happy, if only for a fleeting moment.

Germany hacked: Angela Merkel's colleagues among mass data dump victims

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Headmaster

Say what?

How appropriate that the translation gem appeared at the end of the article, immediately above El Reg's own "Tips and corrections" link... similar to the ability Google Translate provides to allow users to give feedback on its output. If only someone made use of that ability...

You can blame laziness as much as greed for Apple's New Year shock

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Childcatcher

How the mighty have fallen

Cook has been a very exacting beancounter CEO, but in the long term Apple needs a diverse range of products and services – and that's a diversity that's missing right now. It isn't clear if a beancounter can deliver that.

No. It didn't work last time. It won't work next time. It seldom works anywhere with a competitive market that requires innovation to keep from going under. Even when it "works", it is often hard to tell from the outside the difference between long term profitability and short term financial maneuvering, much as the article alluded. A good CFO has a different skill set than a good CEO and the two should not be confused.

China's loose Chang'e: Probe lands on far side of the Moon in science first, says state media

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Unhappy

Re: CNSA has a nice logo

The Federation logo from Blake's 7...

I loved Blake's 7 and watched it religiously when I was younger. I tried going re-watching it recently... there are some things you just can't go back to. I wanted to at least like it, but could not manage even that.

Oz cops investigating screams of 'why don't you die?' find bloke in battle with spider

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Thumb Up

Re: Spiders: there is no "overkill"

Up-voted for the Schlock mercenary reference.

Racing at the speed of light, Sage superhero bursts through the door...

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Headmaster

Re: Not me...

Did I mention ... erm ... OK, yes I did.

real friend

[ree-uhl, reel] [frend]

noun Someone who has never heard that story before.

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Devil

Re: So his "2 minute jobs" make him loose a shirt regularly?

My current bugbear is seeing "lead" instead of "led"

Not to plumb the depths of your patients, but this truly must way on ewe.

What happens when a Royal Navy warship sees a NATO task force headed straight for it? A crash course in Morse

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Pint

Here's to a demanding job well done

Say what you like about foreign policy but the technical achievements of those who design, maintain and update the IT hardware and software that makes these things possible is to be admired.

Having provided support to the USCG, I can but offer a virtual beverage. I only saw the land side of the operation. Thanks for the article and providing a glimpse of the other side of that gig. They may be different forces with different missions, but the sea is the same.

The Great British Curry: Put down the takeaway, you're cooking tonight

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Childcatcher

Re: Post-Pub Nosh Neckfiller

shurely there's a demand for this thread to be resurrected ?

Yes! I very much miss this series. I was hooked from the very first article (the great Bacon Sarnie) and always want more. Please bring it back.

2018 ain't done yet... Amazon sent Alexa recordings of man and girlfriend to stranger

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Childcatcher

Re: More questions than answers...

I don't understand what all the hand-wringing is about. Just kill the damn things already. The companies that produced these devices have a long history of giving you something they tell you is free or at a reasonable-ish price and then using it to gather as much information as possible in order to make a return on their investment. Any challenges to this model have been met with their best efforts to get past them no matter what. They have demonstrated a clear pattern of behavior and an unwillingness to change. The only way to prevent this behavior is to ban their products.

London Gatwick Airport reopens but drone chaos perps still not found

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Facepalm

Don't just do something! Stand there!

There are already penalties in place for anyone who disrupts or endangers air operations. No special case should be needed if they use a drone to do it with.

In the event that Something Bad™ happens, there will be cries from the voting public for politicians to Do Something™. As politicians have only one tool with which to Do Something™ (i.e. they can legislate), they use that and claim to Do Something™ even if it is completely redundant or utterly fails to address Something Bad™. If Something Bad™ continues, they will pass increasingly tough and thorough measures aimed in its general direction, being careful to note that any failure to alleviate the issue is simply an indicator its severity. In fact, it is beneficial to said pols that Something Bad™ be nebulous enough that it can be defined as an ongoing war, something that never goes away, thus providing them many election cycles where they can repeatedly Do Something™. That's the way to do it!

London's Gatwick airport suspends all flights after 'multiple' reports of drones

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Joke

Re: Wow, blundering around like freshly castrated cattle.

If you are trying to blind the drone, you're doing it wrong. See for example US Navy's new drone-killing laser. My original post obviously was in jest; allowing people with a record of such behavior to do exactly the same thing as caused problems before does not strike me as particularly constructive.

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Black Helicopters

Re: Wow, blundering around like freshly castrated cattle.

Perhaps we could let anyone convicted of pointing lasers at planes have a go at these drones as a way to do some community service and work off some of their sentences.

Icon because it is the closest thing to a laser warning sign El Reg provides.

On the first day of Christmas, Microsoft gave to me... an emergency out-of-band security patch for IE

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Childcatcher

Re: Really?

It's pronounced "Internet Exploder"

I would have corrected you in times past that it is instead "Internet Exploiter" but as the main competition is Chrome, I think IE has been surpassed in that capacity.

Oh Deer! Poacher sentenced to 12 months of regular Bambi screenings in the cooler

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Childcatcher

Re: 'Murica never ceases...

I've been camping with shooters nearby lamping. Shining a light around, shooting at anything that reflects the light. Not safe, no idea if it was in season.

What would the advice be? I hear tell of having a gun for self defence, but I'm not sure I'd be comfortable firing a long gun at another person if they were just being dangerous, and not actually trying to kill me.

Interesting. In the US, lamping is called spotlighting and is illegal in all cases that I am aware of. There may be some place that hunting at night is allowed, but I don't know of any.

While I get the idea of having a gun for self defense, the situation you describe is definitely not one where that would work. My advice is to remove yourself and anyone with you from danger as rapidly as possible and then to call the cops. Personally, if I feel that I might be headed toward a situation where I need a gun for defense, I am going to start looking for another place to be. I am fine with gun use for hunting and sport, but I don't want to be in an area where there is even the perceived need for their use against another person.

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Childcatcher

Re: 'Murica never ceases...

What happens on private land? So assuming a large enough chunk of land to support a deer herd, would culling be a matter for the land owner, or would that still be permitted/regulated? I'm assuming a sensible landowner who understands why there are closed & open seasons.

Laws for private landowners typically are regulated by whatever jurisdiction they are in although there may be additional restrictions or allowances compared to hunting on public lands. Also, it should be noted that hunting wild animals is different in many locales than hunting in a game park for animals raised for the purpose. I am unfamiliar with which laws apply in those cases as I have never dealt with them, but I am aware they are not necessarily the same as for hunting wild animals. I know that in some areas, landowners are allowed extra permits specifically to be used on their property in addition to any used on public lands. Also, where friction often occurs is between farmers who are not pleased with wild animals raiding their crops and the state which claims the ability to dictate who can dispose of which animals.

I should note for those who are unfamiliar with animal populations in the US in general, and especially deer, we have plenty of wildlife that encroaches into urban areas. I work in the Washington DC area and have found deer in my front yard (I live in a townhouse community) and have even seen them along the beltway which is well within a very built-up urban area. As noted elsewhere, the lack of animal predators have allowed some species to flourish. That is not to say that there have not been efforts to bring back those predators. For example, there has been a successful* program to re-establish the black bear in Louisiana.

* The definition of "successful" depending on how you feel about a large omnivore living in proximity to humans.

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Childcatcher

Re: 'Murica never ceases...

That's where legal hunting vs poaching comes in.

In this case, it is not simply that the asshat was hunting out of season and trespassing (typical poaching, in other words), it was that he was just taking heads and leaving the rest to rot. It is illegal to do that even if you have proper license and are hunting in season on land you are permitted to be on. And with good reason! Whatever one's view on consumption of meat, hunting or firearms, it shouldn't be hard to understand that killing an animal simply for the sake of doing so and then wasting the meat is wrong.

In the US, there are a variety of laws concerning what can be hunted and when due to the variety of jurisdictions. The most important components are state and tribal laws though there are some areas where federal and local jurisdictions have their say. Same for fishing, though that doesn't seem to evoke the same sort of sentiments against the practice as hunting even though they seem morally equivalent to me. The crims in this case were previously convicted of poaching fish. Also, it does not mention this in either the El Reg article or the linked one, but items used in the commission of a crime are subject to forfeiture. These individuals may have also lost their weapons, vehicles and possibly other things depending on the circumstances of their many crimes.

Astroboffins spy a rare exoplanet evaporating before their eyes

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Boffin

Wales and Sheep inna Vacuum

Wales is for area, not volume and why bring sheep into it at all? That's just wrong! In proper El Reg units of measure, that's about 2381 KiloJubs and in improper El Reg units of measure, 1149441 Adult Badgers, 11231 Great White Sharks, 6667 Skateboarding Rhinoceri or 222 Austrailian Trams, give or take.

REF: https://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/page/reg-standards-converter.html

Stop us if you've heard this one: Facebook apologizes for bug leaking private photos

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Childcatcher

Re: "Data gathering biz still having trouble keeping data secure"

Their whole business model depends on your data NOT being secure

FB: What in the world do you mean by "your data"?

Roll a diplomacy check to win the election: Vote tie resolved by a D20

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Childcatcher

Re: It came in a box?

...but prior to that was plain old D&D; Basic, Intermediate and Advanced sets, which all came in boxes. Red, Blue and Black if I recall correctly.

And before that there was a single box set with some truly terrible cover art and no dice, just chits to cut out from near the back of the book instead of dice. There were editions before that, too, but I'm speaking from personal experience and too lazy on a Monday to bother using Google.

UK white hats blacklisted by Cisco Talos after smart security code stumbles

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Childcatcher

Re: In case your comment was serious, I'd like to point out that...

That works, @Mephisto, although the reason we use those terms today probably has more to do with the use of black and white hats in old films. It's become industry terminology but, as mentioned, has nothing to with race. If you prefer, you might substitute Red Team and Blue Team, but these have slightly different connotations.

Bulk surveillance is always bad, say human rights orgs appealing against top Euro court

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Childcatcher

Not sure about the logic

If I follow properly, the two points that are being argued don't track very well. It seems that conflating intelligence sharing with bulk surveillance does not accurately define what each is. It also seems that positing that bulk surveillance can never be lawful is like saying that there is an absolute right to privacy, which there isn't.

The biggest issues I see with any surveillance program are lack of oversight and transparency which have lead to a variety of abuses. I know that doesn't present much as to how to address shortcomings, and the rewards may not justify the investment, but getting such programs dragged out into the sunlight would seem to stand a better chance of happening than getting governments to stop spying altogether.