128 posts • joined 20 Jan 2011
Re: recursive obscurity
> Neural nets are like people, "I don't know how I came up with it, I just did" is an intrinsic characteristic of both.
Not quite true - if you ask someone how they came up with the idea for a song or a novel, you might get that answer. But if you ask a doctor why they made a particular diagnosis (for example), they will be able to explain their reasoning. For a lot of the classification type tasks AI is being used for, explaining their reasoning is very useful.
You aren't wrong that the programmer doesn't necessarily need to code a loop, but I think you might have picked up downvotes because none of the examples provided actually makes the intent nearly as obvious as the original code. And certainly nowhere near as obvious as the COBOL snippets in some of the other comments. All of the "no loop" examples require a certain amount of thinking time to unpick.
Why HAVE you written your COMMENT in SUCH a S H O U T Y way?
Re: Not ready for prime time
Except learner drivers are usually accompanied by an experienced instructor with dual controls, * who is paying attention because he isn't expected to be doing paperwork while instructing *
Re: State of pedestrian irrelevant
I couldn't agree more with you.
This: "Toxicology results showed she [the pedestrian] tested positive for methamphetamine and marijuana." seems completely irrelevant in view of the fact that she was run over by a vehicle that had plenty of time to stop. But the cynic in me says Uber will at some point try to spin this information to deflect public approbation away from them.
They have form in this area: https://gizmodo.com/uber-settles-lawsuit-alleging-it-obtained-rape-victim-i-1821156541
The Facebook app is a resource hogging PITA. I went back to using the mobile version of the website about a year before I finally quit using FB completely. There are very few mobile apps that couldn't be simply replaced by a decent website, and then you don't have to play security bingo while you try to work out whether all the permissions being requested are actually reasonable.
Re: On curves, and being behind them.
> They've never done fark-awl about securing Zucklandia against exploitation, and now the shoes are well and firmly on the wrong feet. And, to switch back to the original metaphor, the curve is so far ahead of them they can't even see the rise. Couldn't happen to a more deserving enterprise, IMHO.
All of which kind of assumes that Facebook cares in the slightest about 3rd parties exploiting their data. History shows they only ever care rather belatedly, when someone gets caught doing it and there's an uproar. Otherwise, the system appears to be working exactly as intended.
Re: White Hysteria?
> Gee, sounds like something straight out of a Goebbels speech about how oppress and ignored Germans > were after WWI.
I invoke Godwin's law. You lose.
El Reg commentators are generally a pretty reasonable bunch, but there's something about this stuff that sends a lot of them into a frothing rage. My middle-aged whiteness here won't protected me from being punished with downvotes for saying this, but:
1) The point of diversity initiatives is not to "punish you for the sins of your ancestors" as one commentard below has said. It really is an attempt to level the playing field, a playing field that white heterosexual men (like me!) barely ever recognise as actually being tilted. Sometimes these efforts can be pretty ham-fisted, and if it tips into open discrimination against white folks, well, that is also wrong.
2) Somebody below complained that they literally "could not be heard" because they were white and middle aged. Well, that doesn't seem very fair, but welcome to the world as perceived by most women, which is even worse if you are any colour of woman other than white.
3) The term Social Justice Warrior really irritates me. It seems some of the people chucking it around really are "snowflakes" to pick up another pejorative term which started out with the alt-right. They pick up their ball and go off in a huff whenever anyone points out that large parts of the world of work are still overwhelmingly run by and for white men.
4) White privilege is becoming a problematic term. I think MacPherson's formulation of "institutional racism" in his report into the botched Stephen Lawrence enquiry is a much more precise and accurate way of defining the problem. It also allows us to admit that institutional racism is not something only practiced by white people, but can also be found alive and kicking in many Asian countries. It also doesn't imply that all white people are privileged in other ways, which clearly many are not.
Oh, and Paris Hilton because I thought something decorative on this post might lesson the rage of some readers. OK guys, I don't mind your downvotes but at least try to keep your replies civil.
This is one of those cases where you wish everyone involved could lose. It's a crap joke that does little to help understand abort(), and Stallman makes himself look ridiculous by going to such lengths to defend it. Claiming it's really offensive and will "trigger" people is also ridiculous. Some people might find it mildly offensive, but the average twitter stream will contain far worse.
I can't be the only person who saw the headlines about CA shutting up shop today and thought "They'll be back in a month under a different name". Turns out they haven't even waited a month.
If foreign businesses want to collect money from customers in the EU, they have to have some sort of presence here to collect said money. For example Facebook could presumably retreat completely from Europe, but then they'd have no way of making money on advertising to EU customers. And that's a lot of money, even for Facebook. So they either behave or do without the business.
> Streaming is a young person's game.
> The over 50s have no interest.
Speak for yourself. I still have a very good quality vinyl system, which is enjoyable to listen to in ways digital isn't, but I wouldn't claim it is more accurate - just that the kind of distortion analogue delivers sounds euphonious and pleasant to the human ear. But most of the time, it's streaming all the way for me.
Re: Streaming? Nah!
> There is an audiophile streaming service that just streams a stream of '0' so they can bask in how low the noise is on their system
Yes, but the only track they offer is 4'33' by John Cage.
> What baffles me about the current Facebook news stories is the fact that people have been so oblivious to the fact that Facebook has been offering a service but never asked for a penny in return for using it.
I dunno. People probably thought something along the lines of "ITV, ABC, C4 etc have run huge TV organisations for years by selling a few adverts, so Facebook are selling adverts, so what?"
And indeed, most people wouldn't have had a problem with that, or even with some targeting based on their profiles. What people are belatedly angry about is that their data was treated in such cavalier fashion and handed over to more or less anyone who asked for it.
GDPR can't come soon enough; a fine of 4% of global revenue for such wilful GDPR breaches would be enough to make even Facebook reconsider the way it does things. It's a shame that the UK will be leaving such protections behind in a year's time.
' “Cambridge Analytica licensed data for no more than 30 million people from GSR, as is clearly stated in our contract with the research company. We did not receive more data than this.”
The statement also says: “We did not use any GSR data in the work we did in the 2016 US presidential election." '
Does anyone believe a word CA says after they explained nicely to the Channel 4 reporter on camera the depths to which they would sink to help a client win an election?
Re: Of all places
Carrying a knife in a public place without a lawful reason is already outlawed in the UK. "I'm carrying it to defend myself" is not considered a lawful reason. It is an offence to sell a knife to anyone under 18. There are also plans to restrict the availability of corrosive substances like acids to make it harder to use it for criminal purposes - in much the same way that sale of poisons has been regulated since, I believe, Victorian times.
And before anyone says "Cars kill and injure loads of people....", yes they do, but every vehicle is licensed and registered to its owner. Making motor vehicles more tightly controlled even in the US, than, errr, guns.
On that basis, we wouldn't allow anyone to store thousands of gallons of petrol in busy urban centres either.
That's even nastier stuff when it goes up.
Cambridge Analytica 'privatised colonising operation', not a 'legitimate business', says whistleblower
Re: The BBC
> Persuading people of a political view is not "cheating" its "winning."
> Persuading people of a political view does not invalidate an election.
There are ways of persuading that are not cheating under our rules, and there are ways of persuading that are. If it turns out that the different Leave campaigns were co-ordinating their activity, and had a joint spend over the limits set by the electoral commission, that is not only cheating, it is also against the law. If this turns out to be the case, there is a very strong argument that the referendum result is not valid and should be set aside. Then whatever the illiberal elite of the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph claim, the result cannot be said to be the "will of the people", because the people were not involved in a fair contest.
Uber's disturbing fatal self-driving car crash, a new common sense challenge for AI, and Facebook's evil algorithms
> There is no way I'm going to give up the right to drive, even if it means ripping out or disabling any AV tech supplied by our overlords.....
Big talk for someone who posted as "anonymous coward"
> Uber may not have broken the law, but they certainly have not performed due diligence for operating prototype vehicles with prototype control systems in public areas.
It's Uber. If they haven't broken the law, or at least ignored some regulations, it will probably be a first.
Re: Why didn't the woman see an approaching car, which was traveling <40 mph with headlights on
She might have assumed that if she could see the car, the driver could see her, and would slow down while she crossed the road. Or maybe she wasn't attentive and didn't see the car. It's a very reasonable principle of road use that the entity in control of 1.5 tonnes of metal moving at speed has to be more attentive to their surroundings than the 70Kg meat bag moving at walking pace.
Re: You've missed the scariest parts
Human beings are a bit crap as drivers. But the best information I could find suggests that they manage to drive about 10 times as far before having an accident as driverless vehicles. And that's across all weather and traffic condtions. Autonomous vehicles aren't yet (as far as I know) trying to cope with a rain and poorv visibility during the London rush hour. Autonomous vehicles are very safe as long as condtions are like the ones they've trained on. And they don't encounter something different they haven't seen before. Under those circumstances, humans still wipe the floor with them. Even when listening to The Archers.
Re: LiDAR doesn't work in the dark? WTF?
> No way would a human behind the wheel have changed the outcome.
I strongly disagree. Even in the low-res video you can clearly see "something" before the cyclist comes into view, but there's no indication that the vehicle starts to slow even at that point. Here in Berkshire, we have many suicide cyclists who ride around in the dark, dressed in black with no lights. One night driving down an unlit road, I could see ?fireflies? twinkling in the distance. I worked out that they were the reflectors on a pair of pedals going up and down and was able to slow down enough to avoid the cyclist *before* I ran him over.
AI is not intelligent because it still only understands what it's seen before, and doesn't yet appear able to put together a hypothesis like the one that enabled me not to kill a cycilst. Personally, given that self-driving cars still can't cope in the relatively benign environments they are being trained in, I think we are decades away from genuinely autonomous vehicles.
That long-awaited Mark Zuckerberg response: Everything's fine! Mostly fixed! Facebook's great! All good in the hoodie!
Re: I have nothing to hide
I wish I could give you more than one upvote. I'm really tired of the stupidity of people who say "they have nothing to hide". Even if you don't have anything to hide, it's nobody else's business unless you want it to be.
Re: Facebook is Angry
That's not fair, it makes them sound greedy. They knew all about the exfiltration of friends' data for a long time before they decided to close that particular door.
No, they're angry because they've been caught red-handed, and because they couldn't bully the people carrying the story into silence.
Re: Not useful
I think it's fair to say that if we lived like the Amish, Reg readers would be employed doing something different to whatever it is they do now. Unemployment is unlikely to be a thing if you have to grow all your food and manufacture all your goods using 17th century technology.
Hey - how about dropping the obsession with ever thinner phones and producing ones that have:
user changeable battery
... and a 3.5 mm headphone socket
I'd buy one of those.
Re: Getting tired of this "blame the messenger" campaign...
We can blame the messenger because they are not a purely neutral conduit. They have algorithms which promote some videos so that more people see them, hence amplifying their influence. It is Google's choice to hand over the task of promoting these videos to an opaque algorithm they refuse to explain the workings of.
The rest of us are quite entitled to say "it's your platform, you control what is promoted on it, stop hiding behind the now very stale excuse of 'oh dear, it was the algorithm what dunnit' ". If you can't fix the algorithm, then you are going to have to spend some of your massive profits on human oversight of what it does.
Re: Does that mean...
Five upvotes, five downvotes. That's what you get for trying to be nuanced.
Re: Virtual Monopoly?
A World War seems like an unnecessarily destructive way to deal with something that could be better handled through regulation and taxes.
Re: AMD not vulnerable
Like tobacco manufacturers, they probably like to catch them young.
Re: Can't we get rid of May?
Blair might have dragged us into an illegal war, but at least he didn't completely stuff the country like Cameron and now May have done. A pointless referendum on a stupid question that is going to damage our prosperity and possibly break up the union, all because the Tory party can't sort out their internal issues. At least Major had the guts to face down his rebels.
The EU has had some success in constraining the behaviour of the large tech companies. Thankfully we in the UK will soon have no part of that nonsense and can continue an uninterrupted journey to the bottom as a low-regulation, low-tax billionaires' paradise.
Re: "Year 6 children, or 10-year-olds, routinely use WhatsApp groups
So because your kids are bigger/stronger than everyone else's, they can thump anyone who teases them? Well, I suppose it might work for you and for them, but it doesn't sound like a scalable solution to a widespread problem. Still, you must be terribly proud.
"manufacturers aren't offering users the features they want"
I can believe this. The drive to make phones ever thinner means we have lost features users do want. Like being able to replace the battery when it starts to perform poorly, as it inevitably will. It's deliberately built-in obsolescence. It's good to see that we are all starting to push back against it.
I can't actually find any android phone that has all the features I valued in the Lumia 820 I bought four years ago: removable battery, wireless charging, Micro SD slot. Samsung have one or two phones with wireless charging, but only for rather more than I'm ready to spend on a phone.
Re: D I S R U P T I O N
As far as I know, AWS aren't engaged in the kind of systematic law breaking Uber have been. Only the corporate tax avoidance practiced by all the global tech elite. Seems harsh to say they're as bad as Uber.
Re: Look at structure...
"haphazard" rather ignores just how efficient evolution is at engineering good structures. Those random mutations which create small improvements become part of the gene pool, and those which don't get lost. The process is one of continual iterative improvement with ruthless whittling of functionality that doesn't help you survive long enough to have offspring - and long enough to help your offspring survive tool.
The fact is that we are nowhere near building machines which work as well as the thing you are describing as a "bodge". Good engineering is all about only building as much as you need; the information we throw away simply isn't needed most of the time. If we knew how the brain was so good at discarding the irrelevant to concentrate on the important, we might be able to build better machines.
With lots of effort we can optimize machines to perform specialized tasks far better than we can, but we are still an incredibly long way from creating anything as adaptable and smart as a human. Or even a cat.
Re: AM i THE ONLY PERSON...
A definite Turing test fail.
The point Mr Furber makes about power consumption is a very good one, and gives us a very good clue about just how far away we are from emulating human intelligence. It's something for all those people who expect to merge with the singularity to think about. Even with your big heavy meat body attached, you are about a 100,000 more times energy efficient than today's best technology, even if we knew how to upload you. A thousand fold improvement would get your energy cost down to 20Kw, so Sizewell B would be able to power 63,0000 people, about 3/4 of the population of Basingstoke.
Re: fast forward.
... and yet.. when researchers have gone looking for the "three generations of unemployed" so beloved of tabloid lore, they haven't actually been able to find them.
Re: fast forward.
Not true. UBI will stop you from starving or sleeping on the street. It would enable the young to try learning an income as a musician , author or artist (a function which the more generous supplementary/unemployment benefit we used to pay in this country a few decades provided). It wouldn't pay for the latest iPhone or whatever other piece of bling took your fancy. Most people would look for some kind of employment to boost their basic income; but the safety net would mean that employers couldn't just take the piss as they so often do now.
Re: Microsoft getting hacked
Sony got hacked and lots of juicy emails about directors, rows with celebrities, etc got leaked. Microsoft's bug database gets hacked, most journalists will barely understand why that might be important.
I can see why one interested the redtops and one didn't, and it's got nothing to do with Microsoft's power over the media.
Re: Your 'justice' system in the US is corrupt
It's a bit different - you can be sent a fine by the police, but you can appeal it in which case it has to be justified to a magistrate. And the system is public, so the police can't just vanish the money into their back pockets, which is what appears to be happening here. There was an idea that police should be able to march people to cash points and get them to cough up fines there and then, but that was rejected - by the police among others.
Re: How is it different
How long do you think "drone strikes aircraft" will remain a rare occurrence if lots of people decide to ignore the rules and fly their drones near airports? It's a rare occurrence compared to bird strikes because there are rules. If we could get birds to obey rules too, we'd do that as well.
Re: Force majeure!
It's safe to say that whatever influence the EU has with the US, a Brexited UK will have even less.
It's still possible to eavesdrop on a suspect - you compromise the device they use and you can read everything they do before it is sent. It's well known that intelligence services have a wide range of tools and exploits for compromising endpoints. But you can only do that in a targeted way (just as you only ever had the resources to wiretap a few people in the old days). What you can't do is read *everyone's* messages that way. Backdooring encryption remains a terrible idea for many, many reasons.
Re: 1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual.
You are right, we don't want governments controlling the news. We *DO* want them regulating Facebook, Twitter, Google, in the same way that they regulate old style broadcasters and newspapers. Want to complain that you don't like government policy, or you don't think they have provided good evidence for WMDs? That's fine. Want to promote stories saying that the secret Jewish World Government is behind the false flag operation that lead to the deaths of over 50 people in Las Vegas? Not fine.
As the article says, the internet giants monetize and then profit from such dangerously nonsense, and it's undermining the basis of a free democratic society. It's time they are reigned in. They'll just have to make do with much lower profits.