* Posts by TonyJ

1595 publicly visible posts • joined 30 Dec 2010

Devuan adds third init option in sixth birthday release

TonyJ

Re: Naming conventions.

Interesting. I was always under the impression that Alpha = internal testing and Beta = public testing.

Microsoft issues emergency fix for Wi-Fi foul-up delivered hot and fresh on Patch Tuesday

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Joke

Re: We used to be able to choose when we update

"...Unplug the Ethernet, turn off the WiFi, take out the SIM card - although I still couldn't be 100% sure it wouldn't find a way to update..."

Yup.. it will just possess a neighbour's machine and get them from there. :-)

Dev creeped out after he fired up Ubuntu VM on Azure, was immediately approached by Canonical sales rep

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They aren't alone

I've had contact from numerous companies via linkedin, direct to corporate email despite it not being linked in any way to said email other than the usual note that's where I worked.

And these companies don't seem to grasp the creepiness of it "Hey I saw that you worked at <company x> on LinkedIn and I wanted to reach out to you / offer you / sell you / etc..."

Or another perennial favourite - recruiters. Not to try and recruit me but to ask me if I need someone.

Even worse - I have a note on there explicitly stating that I do not give anyone permission to use LinkedIn to try and guess my corporate email address and NOT to try to contact me this way. If it even gets read, it's simply ignored.

I don't keep it up to date anymore and haven't for years, so these emails go nowhere.

Salesforce: Forget the ping-pong and snacks, the 9-to-5 working day is just so 2019, it's over and done with

TonyJ

Re: WFHSS

Sadly I am divorced. But that was down to my ex finally coming to terms with her sexuality, so all good luck to her.

TonyJ

Re: WFHSS

I once worked from home for a straight 17 months and in that time, went into the office fewer than 6 times.

After spending the previous few years living a nomadic lifestyle it was, initially, blissful.

But I did eventually start to miss the social side of work - the actual face-to-face interactions with colleagues.

Since then I've tended to work a day or two at home here and there.

I did learn some valuable lessons:

If you can have a completely separate working space, do so. I was fortunate enough to have had an office built in the garden and it was both a lovely place to work (especially over the summer) but also meant that at the end of the working day, I physically closed work off. It makes a surprising mental difference.

Stick to your contracted hours. Obviously, there will be the odd time where things happen that push that out of the window, but again, per the above, it will do wonders for your mental health not trying to work all the hours in the day to prove you're valuable.

Be flexible and set expectations thus. If you have school runs (remember those?) then do them. If you need to hang the washing out, do it. You will find this again helps your mental health because it's a diversion from the grind. Before you start to feel guilty, remember that even at work in and office you have "dead time" - time spent at the watercooler, or otherwise chewing the fat.

Your IT is usually set up just how you want it and because you're not waiting for someone to open the dial-in conference bridge, work out how to get the big screen/projector working etc that meetings open - and close - much more efficiently. Not always, granted, but mostly.

Enjoy the fact that, if you're following the advice from point 1 and working contracted hours, you can even be flexible in your start and finish times because you're now not sitting in traffic for an hour or more each way to and from work getting worn out by it.

Set boundaries - both with colleagues and bosses but also with family. It took a while before my then wife understood that when I am working from home, I am working and no I can't just go shopping or for a long walk at the drop of a hat. Make sure your bosses and colleagues don't expect to be able to get a hold of you 24/7. Try to remember they do not own you. I had one boss who had a go at me because "...well I work 07:30 to 23:00 why don't you work longer?" he did not appreciate my response that I'm contracted for 40 hours, I am paid for 40 hours and they get 40 hours and I, like him, have a family. But unlike him, I am not a moron.

Remember to take a break occasionally and walk away from your desk. Again, you'd tend to do this at work, so do it working from home.

You will have bad days and good. Don't beat yourself up about it.

Mike Lynch extradition: Uncle Sam offered Autonomy founder $10m bail if he stood trial in the US

TonyJ

I've said similar many times.

Apotheker was warned by his CFO and his response was to threaten to fire her.

Given the sheer size of the deal, then surely the people in the firing line should be every company who was supposed to have performed an audit and done due diligence.

Surely once these companies have signed things off as being ok and above board the liability should fall into their laps.

Bonkers.

Faced with the sack, Nominet CEO half-apologizes for taking the 'wrong tone,' asks angry members to hear him out

TonyJ

Re: Too little, too late

This!

Far too little, far too late.

Funny how the prospect of losing his cushy little dictatorship has suddenly focused his attention on the need to communicate yet it was fine and dandy to close down the mechanism that was previously used.

As others have said - Nominet exists for two purposes only. Run a domain registrar and give back to the community/charity.

Anything and everything outside of that mandate is not only a distraction, but has been proven time and again that there are other companies already doing these other services better. Or that they're simply not needed.

And perhaps it is bias on my part but even his "apology" seems to drip with insincerity.

The Linux box that runs the exec carpark gate is down! A chance for PostgreSQL Man to show his quality

TonyJ

Device Isolation

I never mix my work and personal machines/data other than I will have a VM for work on my personal machine.

I don't use my personal Onedrive/Seafile accounts on those machines and when the role is over, it's archived to backup and removed from my laptop. If it's particularly sensitive then it's wiped outright.

And because I use Hyper-V as it is good enough for my needs, I get the added bonus of no camera passthrough so when I am asked to "turn your camera on please" in MS Teams meetings I can politely decline as the machines doesn't have one and no lies are being told.

Likewise if I have to use a customer-supplied laptop I will take an image of it on delivery and re-deploy said image prior to returning it, with an archive of files placed on their for their perusal should they so wish.

I've found this works well even from the perspective that there are no random pictures/emails etc from friends on there. Complete isolation.

LibreOffice 7.1 Community released with user-interface picker, other bits and bytes

TonyJ

Re: Lacks the Polish?

I've worked for global companies such as WBA. It is incredibly rare to be shuffling the type of multi-language content around that you mentioned.

Maybe your businesses are structured differently and it does sound like a nightmare - is it fixed by adding the correct language packs? Genuine question.

Search - Ctrl + F. Search and Replace - Ctrl + H - as it's been literally forever. Or View - Check Navigation Pane. Also where it's been since Word 2007.

Not sure why you get such different styles - you do have the option to match the source destination or destination formatting or just keep the text. But... I won't argue that Word does get it wrong catastrophically sometimes and then it becomes a pain (or a macro) to fix and neither should be the case.

I do also concede that the anchoring is a fucking nightmare and always has been. That is definitely something they need to improve.

In terms of version compatibility - I've got colleagues who use Office for Mac and the last few versions have had no such issues. Ditto earlier versions of Windows versions of Office.

I would also flip the argument around because everyone is so focussed on the perceived problems with MS Office - what about the issues and bugs that in LO? Including some long term ones that probably won't get fixed (one was mentioned earlier in the thread)?

How does LO handle all of your mixed languages and versions you mentioned above?

TonyJ

Re: Lacks the Polish?

"...@TonyJ

And you can downvote that as much as you want, but my direct experience will always be that Trump is your imagined problem but very great person I like.

^FTFY

MAGA!..."

That brought nothing to the discussion. Grow up and take your medicine again.

For one thing I'm a Brit. For another anyone with half a brain found and finds Trump loathsome.

Don't you have a bridge you should be under?

TonyJ

Re: Lacks the Polish?

However if you read my first post you would realise that I said MS cocked up by allowing the ribbon to become as cluttered as the original menus they were trying to move away from, hence the big push to simplify it again. I am far from an MS fanboy and I will call them out on here (see recently my comments about their cock up allowing Defender services to be stopped, for example).

I do feel very strongly about this for a few reasons. As I say, I have literally 10's of thousands of users migrated without any notable complaining about the ribbon.

If it were such an obvious failure, why have LO incorporated it? I notice no one ever seems to answer this one.

You're right - the user base here is anything but the average worker drone and I would even go so far as to say the concept of a power user here is nothing like the average office power user.

There is almost always the same comment about the ribbon on here - Office 2007 was when I stopped using Office... fine. No one is/was forcing you to use it (unlike the majority of office users again who don't get any say). This is another thread that is apparent on some of the commentards here - "My choice is good. Any other choice is bad"

Likewise the folks saying about compatiblity - for chuckles, a little while ago. I fired up a very old copy of my CV that was done in Word 2000, in .DOC format and has quite of bit of heavy styling. Opened fine. No issues whatsoever.

Also...clippy? It's as relevant as Bob - different times with different concepts of how to make a product useful to the untrained masses but says more about where your mind is with Office as opposed to where Office itself is today.

TonyJ

Re: Lacks the Polish?

"...Weird that that "ton of user research" failed to spot the spectacular drop in productivity when they introduced it, something that I experienced myself - they induced a prolonged "where the flying f*ck did they stick that now" period of mining for things that used to be easy to find or lived under an easy shortcut. That was actually the point I totally dropped MS Office 365 and only have it on a machine somewhere to "translate"..."

So... hit any Alt + combination and even now, W365 will give you shortcuts to legacy key combos.

As for the spectacular drop - in all of my time working in EUC I witnessed very little of it. Mostly in finance teams because they had incompatible plugins.

What about the flip side you so conveniently overlook? People like myself that have to write endless documents in Word and have since back in the day of Office 2003? My productivity increased because I suddenly had easy and fast access to things I knew were there but had to dig around for them because it might not be something I used that often?

If you include the beta versions of Office 2007, the ribbon has been around since 2006. Pushing 15 years. If it was as horrible to use on a day-to-day basis as the vocal minority on here claim, then MS would have been forced to roll it back and LO would have continued to completely ignore it. So - even if you claim that MS were mulish sticking to it, LO still didn't have to adopt a version of it, did they?

And.. there are an awful lot of people who've grown up with it.

I can guarantee for every Linux user on here that hates anything that MS do with a passion and will denigrate any changes as change for change's sake, that I can show you at least the same number - probably more - of "ordinary" or even somewhere between "ordinary" and "power user" (like me) of Office that found the ribbon to be a massive productivity boon.

I work in the EUC space. I've migrated tens of thousands of users from various versions of Office to newer ones over the years on all flavours of Windows including Server Based Computing and into the latest versions of 365 and as above I can count on one hand the people who didn't like the ribbon and I'd say zero since at least 2010 if not before.

And you can downvote that as much as you want, but my direct experience will always trump your imagined problems and very real personal dislike.

TonyJ

Re: Lacks the Polish?

"...LO is far superior to MS Office 2003 in GUI and Writer works better than Word. The mistake is to use doc or docx for saving. Only use them to import or export. Use Styles properly. The undocked Style and Navigation windows are superior to MS Word 2007..."

Or... as a business user, just use Word. You know it's compatible and you're not messing around with different formats to save or to export. You may be happy to do this but your average user doesn't want extra steps just to do their day job.

And here's an oft-overlooked point with regards to the ribbon in Office 2007.

MS did a ton of user research into the next features for Office.

And found out that a huge percentage of them were actually already available but users didn't know and/or couldn't find them.

So the aim of the original ribbon was to simplify that mess of sub-menus.

Which worked. For a time. But if you look at the last few releases of O365 you'll notice that MS are once again working hard to simplify the ribbon because like the original menus it's become cluttered and far less than intuitive to find things anymore, utterly defeating the whole object of having it in the first place.

I work in the EUC space. If you ask users, then the ribbon never comes up as being an issue for them except perhaps where some addon to e.g. Outlook or Excel has failed to put their icon onto it.

Rather than the ribbon, personally I find one of the areas where Word in particular is still ropy is collaborative working. Once a document gets above about 100 or so pages, it becomes a mess. Changes not saving or disappearing when someone edits a completely different part of the document. Corruption etc. That really is something they need to sort out properly because it's tedious as fuck working on an online copy and having to save a local backup just in case it decides to shit on the online one.

Virtual cycling service bans riders for doping – doping their data, that is

TonyJ

Re: How sad do you have to be ...

Funnily enough when my biddy and I dive, the talk is, as you'd expect about the dive we've planned (unless we're at somewhere we know for practice/skills reminders). But, shock, horror, we also chew the fat about other topics from work, the weather, kids, other halves, sport, science, IT - you name it we will chat about it.

We chat online the same. If we're planning a particularly challenging dive we plan it - gas mixes, planned deco, bailout regimes and so on.

I can only imagine that some of you commenting the way you have must lead very lonely lives.

Synology to enforce use of validated disks in enterprise NAS boxes. And guess what? Only its own disks exceed 4TB

TonyJ

Re: Humm

"...My HP server whilst preferring HP branded drives, will (for the most part, we don't talk about that one NetApp drive) take drives from anyone. It just complains that it can't update the firmware but otherwise behaves as expected..."

Depends on the server (and I believe firmware version) and the disk itself.

On the DL380 Gen8, for example, you tend to get the behaviour you mention if it's a SATA SSD, though I may have just got lucky with the one I lobbed in at the time.

On many HDD's though, it cannot read the temperature properly. And having done this, immediately ramps all the fans up to 100% where they then sit. The damn things sound like jet engines when that happens.

I will caveat that with this specific server being my test lab/home server so it has a) been a couple of years since I last added disks and b) hasn't had any recent firmware updates (I don't know what level everything is at, off-hand but I did run the SUM when I installed it which was in 2018).

Europe considers making it law that your boss can’t bug you outside of office hours

TonyJ

Re: Been there, done that.

Ugh. Fingers and brain disconnected! Obviously I meant three months LATER!

TonyJ

Re: Been there, done that.

The thing is, though, that's a fair response for when she is actually meant to be on call. But that shouldn't be 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

I had a role as a principal architect. I was the go-to for the people reporting into me, the directors above, the sales staff alongside me and customers.

I'd be getting calls at 2am sometimes when something went wrong.

I did the maths and worked out what a piss-poor hourly rate it translated to because whenever I brought the topic up, I was told some bullshit about a blended salary yada yada yada.

Genuinely when I put the figures for utilisatioon into the company spreadsheet (we had to be able to justify new hires so this was standard) I was actually coming in at somewhere not much North of minimum wage.

I therefore decided to do my homework some more. I went and checked out the market and to add insult to injury I was underpaid for an architect role, let alone principal.

So armed with all the details - copies of the jobs listings and my utilisation etc, I sat down with my boss to discuss. And got told there was no money for any kind of raise.

I left three months earlier and went back to my unwritten rule of work is for work.

For the last decade I've always made it clear. Contacting me out of normal hours is the exception. Overtime is the exception and is paid for. I am contracted to work 37.5/40 hours a week (whichever it is) and ok, if I am working away then I don't mind doing extra hours Mon-Thurs but that's on the understanding that I am out of there on a Friday morning.

I still get random calls at 9pm or later. They don't get answered. If it's urgent they'll leave a VM but surprise, surprise, it's rarely that urgent that they don't leave one and just move onto someone that does answer.

My holidays. My family time. My weekends. They are mine.

Must 'completely free' mean 'hard to install'? Newbie gripe sparks some soul-searching among Debian community

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Re: RE: doing things behind the curtain

"...Isn't it still a bit sad though, that Windows doesn't have the power of the sysinternals tools available as built in commands and instead has to rely on some very outdated-looking tools...

I would absolutely agree with this. And given that Sysinterals is owned by MS and the aforementioned tools are tiny in size, there's really no excuse for it.

With Linux you also get an army of system monitoring tools for seeing applications using CPU, RAM, I/O etc. Plus, of course the awesome /proc and /sys filesystems.

Things are improving very, very, slowly on Windows Server as powershell gets a few more useful tools (ironically with aliases to their UNIX/Linux counterparts such as 'curl') but it still feels like I've had my hands chopped off when diagnosing Windows problems.

A year or so back I had to look into a problem on a Windows box which turned out to be a bug in the antivirus causing exhaustion of ephemeral TCP ports (i.e the random port number used for replies to outgoing requests). I found a powershell command that would show me all open connections and the owning process (similar to 'netstat -tunl' on Linux), only it didn't show the process column no matter what I tried.

You really don't need convoluted PowerShell to see the process using a specific port. Just use netstat -ab from an administrative command prompt.

With Linux you also get an army of system monitoring tools for seeing applications using CPU, RAM, I/O etc....

You get these built into Windows and have for a very long time. If you can't glean what you need to know from Task Manager at a glance then there is a rather good performance monitor built in.

I also forget to mention before that I do agree that MS have made some crappy UI choices since the introduction of Win10. e.g. have a Control Panel or have Settings screens but don't have both. And whilst they do seem to have slowed down the rate of change, they do still keep moving things for no apparent benefit!

TonyJ

Re: RE: doing things behind the curtain

"...Windows often doesn't "just work". There are too many crappy software engineers and programmers out there that don't seem to understand what the user needs to do. I have had to deal with finding solutions to software that doesn't work for a standard user and the product tech support "team" solution is to have all users log in as an administrator. As for the crappy Microsoft brainchild of 'dll's, I once had to support a computer with only 4 applications on it. There were two which were incompatible with each other to the point if one were run, the other wouldn't work until the computer was rebooted because each manufacturer had a custom dll with the same name. Printer drivers can be troublesome as there is no standard way to install printers. And of course, Microsoft want to install WSD ports for printing, which constantly breaks the ability of certain printers to work. I switch to TCP/IP and a Microsoft update (or some other strange event) switches it back to a WSD port, once again breaking printing. Microsoft constantly changes the look and feel of Windows, deprecating things or moving them around so trying to debug an issue becomes an Easter egg hunt, except there isn't always an Easter egg to find. True, the more you understand of Linux, the faster you can solve problems, but the Linux community has solutions easier to find than most of the Windows issues I come across and seldom can I find the correct solution on the Microsoft website. The usual Microsoft solution is to reinstall Windows and that is seldom anywhere close to the real solution..."

Genuine question here. How many of the above issues are actually down to Windows and how many down to the applications?

As for troubleshooting applications, make your life a lot easier and use the Sysinternals tools. It makes tracking down things like registry and file permissions trivial and you can unlock the necessary bits rather than the oft-taken lazy approach of "make the user an admin".

TonyJ

Re: RE: doing things behind the curtain

Ok let's take some of your comments in turn:

Put a blank SSD in your Windows laptop. Grab a vanilla Windows 10 .iso image created via the Microsoft tool. Do this from nothing on the hard drive: keep a note of how many steps it takes.

Since this is effectively what I do with a new release of WIndows every so often anyway I can answer this.

Step 1 - Download the latest ISO from Microsoft.

Step 2 - Kick of the installer from USB to wipe the partitions.

Step 3 - Allow Windows to update drivers during install

Step 4 - Get the latest NVidia Driver

Total time on my Dell: Around 45 minutes start to finish.

Also note how many third party sets of drivers you need to get the graphics card working.

See above. 1

Everything else from sound, NIC and TPM for example were just found and the latest available drivers were installed.

Check how long it takes to download the sets of Windows updates when you then first go to Settings and run update and how many times you need to run settings to get up to date.

Well this depends but if you get the latest version of the ISO rather that using that one you have lying around from 2-3 years ago, the answer tends to not be too many and as above the upgrade to 20H2 was 45 mins start to finish, including updates.

And since as a consumer you can only usually download one version of Windows 10, which is the latest, I'd recommend everyone does it prior to any build/update.

You can do this more readily with (most) Linux distributions and a lower number of third party packages - and I install both OS fairly regularly from nothing, so have done this relatively recently with Windows 10.

For bonus points: install Linux first, then install Windows to make it dual boot (and then reverse the process). Which OS doesn't find the other?

For real fun: do this without a working mouse/trackpad (or use speech output to install the OS without a working screen.)

And yes, you can install Debian without any of the above though the screenless isntall is a bit slow because the speech output is verbose.

Hint: This thread is all about Debian and finding a single .iso image which will "just install" . If you include the firmware you need - and there is a step to do this manually even when using the fully free media - then the updates happen seamlessly during the install. For Intel/AMD - that's a <700M CD size download to get the unofficial media and then however long the net install takes.

The Debian folks are talking right now about building a better download page: most people seem happy in the original thread if the installer can be made to prompt the user once to install/not install firmware.

I can't comment on this because I don't dual boot. My machines with Linux (r/Pi, couple of laptops, few VM's) are purpose built and my use-cases mean I don't need to do this.

But - given the crux of this is, as you say, making a version of the ISO that someone can expect to just download and for it to work, I would ask how many consumer users would you also expect to be dual booting? I don't have an answer for that. But I wouldn't imagine it's a huge number.

TonyJ

Re: RE: doing things behind the curtain

"...Ah, so you freely admit that you did not install W10 yourself. So, you admit that all the hard work of matching the OS to the laptop hardware had already been done for you..."

So you chose to ignore or didn't see this bit then?

"... I always wipe and replace..."

TonyJ

Re: RE: doing things behind the curtain

"..Windows may give the appearance of just working if it get it preinstalled but installing from scratch can present all sorts of challenges about missing divers or hardware which just says 'not working' even with the right driver. And how many times have we all spent hours trawling dodgy-looking, malware-ridden 'drivers' sites in the hunt for that specific missing driver - sometimes it's for a cheap Chinese device but I've definitely had to do it for big brand hardware as well..."

Just wrong.

I had a brand new laptop in 2015 when Windows 10 was brand new out of the gate and it had a few missing driver issues.

Since then every one has had drivers available either via MS or the vendor.

I bought a spanking new Dell last year. It came with Home but I always wipe and replace with Pro. Didn't miss a beat despite again having brand new hardware.

I really do believe a lot of Linux commentary along these lines is from Windows XP ot earlier.

I've just done a 7 to 10 migration for a council. A mixed bag of hardware from years old to brand new. The configuration manager images were almost trivial to create. Over 4,000 machines.

You would expect a qualified electrician to wire a building to spec, right? Trust... but verify

TonyJ

Re: You would expect a qualified electrician to wire a building to spec, right?

You're spot on. I did an OND, HNC and Degree in electrical and electronics engineering.

I am more than capable of doing the odd bit of wiring, though were it something bigger like an full rewire, or when I had my garden and garden office wired in, just so that it could be certified for insurance purposes, I happily paid for someone else to do it.

One of the things that staggers me is how people who are not qualified a) fail to comprehend the potential (no pun intended) danger in mains electricity (UK here) and then failing that, "just have a go".

My ex-mother in law's partner called me once to say he was struggling to change a light. My heart fell when he uttered the words "there are just too many red wires up there". He'd taken out the entire ceiling rose without thinking to note where the wires went or to try to mark them in some way.

Luckily the outer sheath was grey for the loop and white for the switch so it was easy enough to troubleshoot visually but it beggars belief to me that having apparently looked at it, and having failed to understand what he was looking at, he proceeded to take it apart anyway and "just have a go and hope for the best" (I assume, anyway).

And don't get me started on things like instructables with Jacob's Ladders and Tesla Coils!

Scottish Environment Protection Agency refuses to pay ransomware crooks over 1.2GB of stolen data

TonyJ

Re: ...you never appear to have bothered...

Therein lies the issue. You didn't attack the beliefs. I'm done feeding you. You just want the attention.

TonyJ
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Re: ...you never appear to have bothered...

Angry little anonymous tosser, aren't you?

Every response you've made has dripped irony and you are too stupid to understand no one said you were trying to be ironic! I am going out on a limb and guessing you're an American. Probably still bitter at Trump losing,given the raging anger. You may want to actually follow that link to try and wrap your head around what irony actually means.

For anyone with half a brain, it clearly wasn't sympathy of any kind, you dull idiot - it was sarcasm. You really do need to grow up and grow a pair, anony-troll.

TonyJ

Re: ...you never appear to have bothered...

"...It's very childlike of you to believe that arguments in El Reg forums are taken seriously...

Or that they matter or make a difference to anything.

But I guess you can't stop yourself telling other people your opinion, regardless of whether they want to hear it..."

You might benefit from learning this, A/C

Also... you ok? Do you need a hug?

TonyJ

Re: ...you never appear to have bothered...

Reasonable response. I was typing in a hurry whilst trying to multitask. Never a good combination.

It just amuses me how people expect an argument to be taken seriously with silly name calling in it. Even where there may be a valid argument, it immediately detracts from that and makes it infantile and difficult to treat seriously.

TonyJ
FAIL

Re: Lemme guess running MSWindows

"

Lemme guess running MSWindows

If you run Microshat Windoze expect to get hacked.

Why is it that orgs havent even bothered to move to a a relatively safer desktop environment? Even Android and Chromebooks are probably better than Windblows..."

Probably for the same reasons that you never appear to have bothered to learn English properly: A combination of stupidity, laziness and until now - it got them by and they got away with it.

Microsoft SolarWinds analysis: Attackers hid inside Windows systems by wearing the skins of legit processes

TonyJ

Re: What?

Not sure about that - if you install say McAfee (don't... but I've worked at places that still use that abomination) it's then locked down to the extent that removing it/stopping processes requires a specific account.

Mangling the registry can require elevated rights and I'd have assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that this should be the case and you shouldn't be able to take ownership of the keys without again providing elevated credentials.

Which suggests to me (again I could be wrong) that the core compromised processes that spawned the attack were being run with elevated rights.

TonyJ

What?

"...Those techniques included editing the Windows registries of target machines to disable autostarting of security processes – and then waiting until the target machine was rebooted before moving in for the kill..."

Why the fuck is that possible, Microsoft? Other AV vendors etc don't allow the stopping of services or changing their registry startup state even by DA or EA so...

Windows Product Activation – or just how many numbers we could get a user to tell us down the telephone

TonyJ

Haha. Brilliant. Have an upvote.

And even then, David 123, your sentence made more sense than his!

TonyJ

"...The real crime is having to the Rejects of Redmond..."

No. It's that sentence...

TonyJ

There are advantages to the corporate/education users though, to be fair.

Compatibility. We've all seen businesses that run on spreadsheets. Yes, we all know it's wrong in the extreme but it happens. Still.

The ribbon. Yes, I know most people here loathe it with a passion but you have to remember it's been around for an awful long time now and it's what some people are just used to. Even LibreOffice gives you the option to have a ribbon now (caveat - it did. I assume it still does? Been a while since I checked)

OneDrive. Again, I know that there are options out there for hosting your own cloud storage such as Seafile but given the tight integration into Office, it makes life a lot simpler for some businesses. And it has all of the nice file rollback and version control built in - the former of which can actually become a real boon in the event of malware.

Easy collaboration. Ok again I happily admit that it is again far from perfect. The implementation of it seems to struggle with larger documents but it does help with the problem that we've all experienced where people are all working on their own offline copy of a file and some poor sod has to merge all of the changes. Sling it on OneDrive and share a link.

Outlook. I may be in a minority here but I quite like Outlook. It just tends to work.

Other hosted services. Such as Exchange Online. Makes life simpler for smaller businesses that can't afford dedicated teams to feed and water on premise resources.

Now I think it's worth pointing out that I am not trying to gloss over the inadequacies of the software/solutions, nor am I trying to suggest that there aren't viable alternatives to most of what I've just typed, but for most businesses / educational establishments, the ability to have all of the above features neatly packaged and accessible, and supported is a tempting offer for a few quid a month per user.

Except the ribbon. Whilst I personally like it, I know...

TonyJ

Or used hacked copies. I had several neighbours get arsey with me when they were told they needed a full reinstall because of nasties they'd picked up due to XP not updating because of the hacks.

The expectation always seemed to be that I'd "help them out" and they didn't seem to appreciate being told they either had to buy a licensed copy or scrap the lot and put Linux on.

Another of the many reasons I eventually refused to help non family members.

Samsung tones down sticky stuff in the Galaxy S21 series, simplifying repairs massively

TonyJ

Re: A revolutionary new idea

I am not sure how difficult that is to achieve but I suspect you're right and it's not technically that hard to do. I've got diving torches that can go down to 105m underwater and they have nothing more than a double o-ring sealing them.

For a phone that only has to generally survive being dropped in shallow water for a short period of time...?

Deloitte's Autonomy auditor 'lost objectivity' when looking at Brit software firm's disputed books, says regulator

TonyJ

You can argue to your hearts content but it still doesn't change the fact that even a cursory look at the books should have brought to light that there was hardware in the mix. Regardless of what you claim, you're trying to defend HP for not doing the job properly.

Your logic is flawed and you know it. In your example you were inflating profit by 7x and again, a quick look at the books would bring to light that that simply isn't true. In the case of BILLIONS then a few million really is negligible to the overall valuation of the company. In your made up example it's a huge factor in the valuation of the company.

And finally by your own argument the profits from hardware would make no major impact either way as the margins are so utterly thin - though bear in mind again that at that time Apothekar wanted to sell the x86 line because of that very reason - thin margins - whilst completely ignoring that at the time it generated HP billions in profit.

Sorry but you're flogging a dead horse and trying to compare apples to oranges.

Oh and of course the real detail is that to date no one has been charged with any fraud in the UK. If it was fraud to the level you seem to be claiming then why hasn't the SFO been arresting people?

TonyJ

"...

You don't see it?

What if I say I build houses for $100 000 and and sell them for $1 million each?

And then it comes out that my costs are actually $800 000 each? That's only lying about a few tens of millions of $$$ across a few dozen houses that were built. The difference in profit potential of my company, however, is dramatic.

Not that I want to defend HP, here... it was up to them to investigate before being parted from their money..."

That's the thing though.

Firstly you would be questioning that figure - such an order of magnitude of profit, whilst I wouldn't argue is impossible, is, however, very unlikely.

Hence you do due diligence. Proper due diligence. That you don't rush through because you want to give the investors a big showy acquisition and all the bells and whistles and "ooh aren't I smart?" accolades?

It may also be that you're not an expert in that field but others around you - let's suggest a financial director/CFO here, is an expert. And let's postulate that said director is stating that this isn't / can't be right and that the purchase of this company doesn't fit with yours anyway - you'd be daft not to listen, right? You may decide to still go ahead with the purchase, but you would surely have to give that person air time and seriously consider what is being said, no? Or would you threaten to fire them?

And finally - a few million/tens of million in your scenario is a huge percentage of the overall valuation. In the case of what HP paid for Autonomy, it's a rounding error and they've probably shelled out more a month on redundancy payments.

As Uncle Sam continues to clamp down on Big Tech, Apple pelted with more and more complaints from third-party App Store devs

TonyJ

Re: Has Big Tech gotten too big?

"...I read that in the voice of the closing narrator from Dangermouse..."

Weirdly, so did I. But even weirder - until I read your post I didn't actually realise I was doing it!

TonyJ
Joke

Re: You don't enter into a relationship with Apple...

"...and....grammar! :-p..."

Not that you'd ever notice, these days...!

Wanna know a semi-secret? Samsung's semi-rugged Galaxy XCover Pro is more than a semi-industrial curiosity

TonyJ

Funnily enough...

...I was looking at one of these for my son just before Christmas. In the end though, I decided it just didn't look quite robust enough and went for an el-cheapo ruggedised unit at a much lower cost.

Server won't boot? Forgot to make that backup? Have no fear, just blame Microsoft

TonyJ

Re: A hard lesson...

"...File systems are software too but nevermind..."

Lars - not sure who keep aiming this at but I was specifically talking about hardware in this case - things like dried out electrolytic capacitors in power supplies springing to mind that are fine when running but can't cope with a sudden inrush when the power is removed and turned back on, or dry (cold for left pondians) solder joints that again were ok when warmed up but fail after a power cycle...or any of a number of other things.

TonyJ

Re: A hard lesson...

No I am talking about hardware.

TonyJ

A hard lesson...

...that everyone has learned at some point: Ageing hardware that hasn't been power-cycled for yonks tends to give up and die when it finally gets turned off and back on.

Elon Musk says he tried to sell Tesla to Apple, which didn’t bite and wouldn't even meet

TonyJ

There's a fair amount to like about Musk, in fairness. Amongst them seems to be a willingness to get the right people in the right jobs to begin to realise his dreams.

SpaceX is arguably a romping triumph.

But I still struggle with the other sides of him - the one that calls rescue divers paedophiles and gets away with it. The one that behaves like a spoiled child when he can't get his own way or someone slights him in some way.

TonyJ

Re: Apple Car

"...

"... No steering wheel, gestures instead. ... "

I think I was following one of those recently"

..."

No, I think they are called BMW's.. ;-)

TonyJ

Re: Apple Car

@Mage...I wish I could upvote this more than once.

TonyJ
Joke

"...If Apple go into the car biz, I dread to think of the price and maintenance lock in that will go with it.

Apple workshops, PFY mechanics and less ability to self maintain than a John Deere tractor.."

Not to mention "you're driving it wrong"

UK firm NOW: Pensions tells some customers a 'service partner' leaked their data all over 'public software forum'

TonyJ
Joke

Re: Off with their heads

"...I'll sharpen my favourite axe...

No... leave it blunt for these cases!

TonyJ

2%...

Great... only 2%... how about coming clean and putting a number on that? 2% of 2,000,000 records is still a lot of people to expose.

Windows might have frozen – but at least my feet are toasty

TonyJ

Re: Site services...

"...I plugged my PC back in and flicked the (hardware) power switch. BANG a 12" long spark shot out the back of the PSU and everything went dead! Unfortunately, I had turned the PC on first, not the dodgy old monitor I wanted replacing... Hey ho..."

Nope, sorry.

I don't argue that it maybe flashed and went bang as well as made you jump and in your own mind it would've seemed like it did what you describe, but really...it didn't. To create an arc isn't actually that easy over anything other than small gaps and tends to require a combination of high voltage and/or high frequency.

Besides, trying to work through your 90 degree change suggests L and N were switched which wouldn't cause a bang. L to E should've tripped an RCD (they've been a thing for a long time now) but in this case the E from the supply was going to the L of the PC so I am really struggling to fact check this one but it feels like it's grown in your mind over the years, sorry.

Happy to be corrected, here.