Re: Mad Mike IBM does have details about Power8 in its public roadmap and has for two years
"Really? Is that because IBM and Oracle can't do it?"
Nope. Because nobody in their right minds runs electrical isolation anymore unless something like military. It simply isn't necessary and isn't economic. By the way......nPARs aren't really fully electrically isolated as some components are still shared. Not many I'll grant. Oracle can actually do it as Domains on their current m-Series are electrically isolated as much as nPARs are. However, that's why Oracle are moving away from them. They simply don't make sense anymore.
"But then the image sizes are constrained by the boundaries of the individual servers. The hp npar technology allows you to make smaller or larger partitions withint eh same frame. On the Superdome2 the size of an npar is based on the multiples of the four-socket cellboard, and you can alter them as requirements change. You simply can't do that with individual servers."
I agree. But then, if you're that bad at sizing your servers and predicting future growth, you deserve the extra cost and aggravation. The very fact that nPARs are based around multiples of 4 processors (potentially 32 cores) is one reason they're useless. Even in my FTSE 30 company, that is simply too big. The granularity is hopeless.
"I suggest you go back to troll school and actually learn about the hp tech before you make yourself look any more ignorant."
Standard from someone who can't answer the points. Simply insult the intelligence of someone with arguments and claim their 'knowledge' is poor. Absolute rubbish.
"No they couldn't, they had common electrical components that meant an electrical issue on one partition of a mainframe could take down another partition. I suggest you read something other than the IBM FUD guide."
For your information, I used to work on a mainframe that was (at one point) divided into two electrically isolated partitions. We're talking around the 1986-88 timeframe. It was actually a Hitachi MVS mainframe called a XL70 I think (if memory working). Suggest you go look it up.
"Because IBM couldn't do them? It seems hp made them both technically viable and sold plenty of them, which suggest your just mouthing off sour grapes because IBM didn't manage it."
No, because they are not granular enough and cannot donate processor to another partition when this nPAR doesn't want it. If you want to run with the utilisation levels of a windows x86 server, then fine, but you'll be paying well over the odds. HP may have made them technically work, but I've spoken with HP salesmen about this and very few companies actually used them. Most prefered vPARs or IVMs. This was also reflected at a series of seminars I attended in Bracknell. So, very few actually wanted nPARs.
"Wow, you actually said something factual! Even if it doesn't have anything to do with npars. I see you also forgot about IVM and hp9000 Containers, but then expecting you to know anything more than the IBM FUD soundbites about hp's tech is obviously a bit too much."
Slagging off again, showing no argument to make. For your information, I know plenty about Integrity as I've done in-depth technical analysis of ALL Unix vendors for my company.
"I evidently am. In mine, I work on enterprise systems that require real processing power. You seem to only work on IBM mainframe sales pitches, and using very old FUD for that. I suggest you ask Jesper for help, he at least knows something exists outside the IBM bubble."
Well, either you're a troll (probably true) or your employer is wasting one hell of a lot of money. I work for a FTSE 30 company that requires enterprise scale Unix computing and nobody round here would ever touch nPARs. They are simply too inflexible. I'm perfectly aware of stuff outside the IBM bubble and we run Solaris as well. Of course, that will just feed your rants as your insistence nobody knows anything outside of IBM or Oracle and your continual slagging of these companies and people using them hides your apparent poor choice in the past. We're running big end p-Series servers at 80-90% continual utilisation. We've had them running at 100% for extended periods before without any issues. That's real bang per buck. What's the best you've achieved with nPARs? Bet you struggle to get above 20-30%. All that wasted processing power......now that's efficient!!