* Posts by Trevor_Pott

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White? Male? You work in tech? Let us guess ... Twitter? We KNEW it!

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Re: Odd

The stats that need comparing are company make-up vs the total appropriately qualified populations, not simply graduate population make-up.

T,FTFY.

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Re: A Better Question

So you only use graduates as your comparison barometer? Why? Why not the totality of the industry, including those who have been working in it for some time? The demographics of current graduates probably look nothing like the industry as a whole.

Also, we have to look beyond just the tech industry. CxOs don't have to have tech backgrounds to run a tech company. Same with secretaries, janitorial, marketing, etc...

I'd say your proposed means to answer my questions demonstrates a great deal of bias on your part, almost like you have a predetermined conclusion you'd like to discuss, but need a way to twist facts or narrow the discussion so that the your point seems valid.

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Question 1: how does the % of $_minority in $_company compare to the % of $_minority within the general population?

Question 2: is a company bad/evil/racist/etc because it has the same % of $_minority as in the general population, but not the same % of $_minority as there are whites/males/etc?

Question 3: Question 1: how does the % of $_minority in $_company compare to the % of $_minority trained to do tasks relevant to the company within the general population?

Question 4: is a company bad/evil/racist/etc because it has the same % of $_minority as are trained to do the tasks relevant to the company, but not the same % of $_minority as there are whites/males/etc?

Question 5: are such audits actually about equality at all?

Question 5a: how/how not?

Mozilla fixes CRITICAL security holes in Firefox, urges v31 upgrade

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Re: firefox ESR updated too

Two reasons:

1) Firefox's new look is a horrible, mutated, awful mess of fuckery compared to Chrome's fairly smooth interface. It's "like chrome" in the same way that AOL is like Windows 8.

2) Chrome has a task manager that has increasingly proven useful.

Given that Chrome has finally almost reached plugin parity (on plugins that matter) with Firefox, Mozilla has to actually compete on merit. If you betray me by changing the GUI without giving me a simple option to return to the previous GUI then I will abandon you. Pure and simple. Give me choice or get right fucked.

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Re: firefox ESR updated too

Damned straight. I started converting most of my sites to Chrome or Opera after the UI change. They didn't have a "stop sucking" button in the browser, and I don't particularly enjoy being Microsofted. So fuck 'em, I've got better things to do than try to contort 50 plugins into shape just to make the bloody thing look normal.

UK government officially adopts Open Document Format

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Re: Yay!

That's fine. You love the ribbon. I loathe it. The difference between you and me is that you seem perfectly okay with removing from me the choice to use one or the other. I don't care if you have the ribbon. Ribbon it all up. But give me the choice to disable it and re-enable my menus.

Your way isn't the only way.

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Re: Yay!

Once, not so long ago, I to was one of the loudest Microsoft evangelists. I still believe that they employ many of the best and brightest our planet has to offer and that they have some of the best tech.

But I no longer believe in the company, it's leadership, or it's direction. I don't trust Microsoft. Considering how much I once did, that should say rather a lot right there.

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Re: Yay!

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Re: Yay!

I don't know. A format is just a format. Microsoft still make an office package that has some powerful evangelists. That takes time to chip away at. For Microsoft to lose they'd have to basically piss off the very people who have helped them build an empire over the past 30 years while producing products that the majority of individuals hate.

Surely Microsoft is too smart for that. Look how much their executives get paid! Obviously anyone who makes that much money is incapable of making the kinds of mistakes that could be easily predicted by a commenttard on an internet site.

Even if they were to do the above, is that enough to overcome "incentivization" of the "decision makers" in positions of power? Oracle's still around...

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Re: Better but still a bit of a pigs ear

Have you seen the horror Word produces when you save as HTML?

Microsoft confirms secret Surface will never see the light of day

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Microsoft decides not to ship form factor that has been proven by iPad mini, Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire is eschewed in order to double down on the existing models that don't sell particularly well.

Microsoft's tone deaf approach to comprehending markets continues unhindered. Why would it want to ship a model that actually is usable with one hand and comfortable for the majority of individuals?

vBlock user says EMC bug slipped through VCE's matrix

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None if this would ever have happened if he weren't using some fly-by-night high-risk startup. Proper enterprise vendors with proper enterprise support is what's needed to prevent these sort of things from happening!

You know...I can't even type that with a straight face anymore. I am going to print this article, roll it into a tube and beat the next person who talks about how Nutanix SimliVity or Maxta aren't "proper" vendors to within a micron of their cognitive capacity.

World Solar Challenge contender claims new speed record

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Please do tell UNSW that all future record attempts are invalid unless a playmonaut observer is included on the trip to verify events for Vulture Central.

(Also: good job those guys!)

Comcast bosses: THAT pushy sales rep was only obeying orders

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"a great sales organization always listens to the customer, first and foremost."

Now, it's been a while for me, but based on the actions of American corporations I am pretty sure those words count as treason under US law. I presume the fellow in question will be hanged soon?

Yorkshire cops fail to grasp principle behind BT Fon Wi-Fi network

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Re: Not wanting to defend plod, but

"So while plod might come around to ask if you saw someone doing a four fingered shuffle in your garden, you yourself would not be under suspicion of any crime."

They'd find a crime to suit, or just make one up. You used the internet. You're a terrorist and a pedophile.

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Re: Not wanting to defend plod, but

"You'll get your computers, tablets, laptops etc back eventually...."

Really? Because I know some folk who are damned well innocent who've not gotten their stuff back after two years. Besides, the way laws are structured it's virtually impossible for any of us to be innocent of everything. Our lives are on those machines. Search them hard enough, you'll find something to jail them for, even if it's not what was on the original search warrant.

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Re: Not wanting to defend plod, but

"No actually, in court the police and CPS would have to prove it was you, which would be impossible."

Since when? The US and UK moved to "guilty until proven more guilty" ages ago. When it comes to the internet, presumption of innocence was ejected. It's not going to be returning.

Nadella: Apps must run on ALL WINDOWS – PCs, slabs and mobes

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Re: Remember 'universal' Windows apps for PCs, slabs and mobes? Microsoft's Nadella does

Actually, you know the really horrifying part? I've being doing commercial content creation for startups for long enough that - when there's a need to - I actually can speak the lingo. It makes my skin crawl. I have achieved a state of actually being able to understand these folks and even converse in their twisted dialect.

It's horrifying.

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But the first - and only - true "Cloud OS" (in the sense that it runs virtually nothing locally and is designed for mobile and cloud apps exclusively) is Chrome OS. So is Microsoft's "mobile first, cloud first" (customer last) approach in fact a ringing endorsement that Google is the future?

Enquiring minds want to know...

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Re: "...developers are targeting not just Windows Phone customers..."

"Metro feels like that nasty multi-tasking add-on you used to be able to add to DOS. Just looks nicer."

Geoworks Ensemble 2.0: Metro before it was cool.

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You know, I had a great deal of respect for Nadella. When I met him he seemed to have his head glued on and understood the plight of his customers. But this apparently all changed when he took the CEO's seat.

What was a brilliant engineer that looked towards creating products that businesses of all sizes needed for prices they could actually afford has become twisted into merely carrying the banner forth with different verbiage. Nadella is banging the "cloud" drum as loud as he can, not realising that it will never be an option for many of us, and won't be an option for most of us until he accepts that we don't move on three-year refresh cycles. The cloud has to be cheaper than 5 year refresh cycles for the commercial midmarket and 10 year refresh cycles for the smallest businesses.

That's before we get into data sovereignty concerns or what Microsoft laughingly terms "support" for both Office 365 and Azure. What is on the table today is not okay, and it's not the the foundation of a stable, mass market future.

Yes, there will always be a niche group of businesses - mostly those that are developer heavy and/or cloud evangelists that would use the cloud even at thrice the price - that will eat whatever is put in front of them without asking nasty questions about value for dollar. Yes, for certain workloads cloud computing makes good sense for enterprises...especially those that massively overpay for their IT as it is.

But the cloud isn't going to build tomorrow's sysadmins. An MSDN account no individual can afford (and most SMBs won't buy) isn't a replacement for Technet. Ever increasing SPLA prices aren't going to keep service providers and the channel alive, and "one app development style to rule them all" won't help your developers if everyone loathes Metro and refuses to uses Metro apps.

Microsoft under Nadella is accelerating the decay that it was experiencing under Ballmer. Ballmer was making bets on Metro, the Cloud, Mobile and so forth...but he wasn't busily sawing off his traditional markets, products and services like Nadella.

Now, maybe I'm horribly, completely, world-endingly wrong. Maybe I am the last hold out of a dying past and the world actually wants this cloudy, subscription-based, US law applies to your data and you have no rights world. Maybe everyone in every other part of the world has the ability to "just charge more" whenever Microsoft decides to turn the knobs on their pricing and maybe the whole world is okay with Microsoft having so much control over monthly business IT costs that they have a knob that gives them tangible effect on the global economy.

If, however, I'm not completely batshit bananas here then many - if not most - businesses agree with me that we have yet to be convinced that this is the future we want to buy into. If that's the case, then Microsoft under Nadella is taking a gigantic risk. Killing off their partner and channel ecosystem by pieces, telling the sysadmins and technologists who supported Microsoft for decades to fuck off and kicking non-niche SMBs and the commercial midmarket to the curb.

They are betting on the cloud - and mobile - to the point that they are willing to simply throw away all previous segments and businesses, and along with it any hope of being viewed by the general public, sysadmins, or people who sign the cheques as different (let alone better) than Oracle.

They are prepared to bet reputation, goodwill and market share all on cloud and mobile. If they are wrong, they are done. They are actively pruning and eliminating their backup plans.

I am willing to admit I could be the crazy one here. I don't get paid billions, Nadella does. But if there is a coherent strategy here that is something other than "wildly gambling with the jobs of 100,000+ people" I honestly can't see it.

Microsoft feels to me like Sony did in the 90s. I looked to Sony's actions and said "you can't keep making these proprietary formats, or putting rootkits on your CDs or charging 3x what everyone else does for electronics, etc." Everyone said I was mad then; Sony was a legacy. Sony would endure.

Well, Sony hasn't fared well. And in large part it's because of the overwhelming contempt with which they've treated their customers. Microsoft, on the other hand, seems prepared to add partners, developers and staff to the list of groups they treat with contempt, which makes me less than positive about their long-term outlook.

Hybrid upstart Tintri: Legacy vendors? We're eating their lunch

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Can't say I disagree, but I do believe they have recognized some of this and are working towards making those changes. That's part of what the hiring is about. A lot of it is wrapped up in making sure they have SEs available to train clients, partners, etc. They're not perfect - oh, not by a long shot - but they're a lot easier to deal with than most startups. Or, for that matter, most of the majors.

They'll work it out. Of all the companies out there, I think they have the tech and the talent to do so. Even when it requires introspection and change. Would that I could cast that capability upon Microsoft or VMware...

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I agree. They have been light on sales for some time. That said, they have gone on a big sales hiring spree and have recruited some very good names into the pool. They are capable of recognizing their weaknesses and adapting. Something that - quite frankly - seems to be beyond the big egos of a lot of silicon valley startups.

Microsoft bags more CASH – but profit's flat as Nadella waves axe

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Enterprise and consumer are two of four markets. You - like bloody everyone - have completely neglected the commercial midmarket and the small biz markets. MS has no strategy there either...but it used to own those markets. Sad.

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I would feel sorry for him, except that he's continuously pushing Metro apps and subscription everything as the future. Both are bad for, well, everyone.

Mobile first, cloud first, but customers, developers, partners and staff all come last. That's a bit bass ackwards.

The triumph of VVOL: Everyone's jumping into bed with VMware

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VVOLs and VASA are important standards for communicating capabilities between array and management software. The key here is to combine easy with obvious. The last thing we need to have happen is that VVOLs make it even easier to make so many LUNs you completely forget when you're hitting the arbitrary LUN limit of your array.

How the information is presented in the UI and whether or nor provisioning procedures/scripts/orchestration/automation are reworked to take advantage not only of the new ease of use, but the new information on limits is going to determine viability within a given organization.

Games industry set for $5 BILLION haircut, warn beancounters

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So what will you be playing in 2019?

I don't understand the question.

Kickstarter tin-rattlers offer reboot of '80s Integrated Space Plan megagraphic

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Re: Boots on Mars and break a leg

You are not going to lose that kind of bone density in three months. Especially when we have figured out how to do low-g resistance exercises, (thanks, ISS!). Also: Mars is far lower gravity than Earth. Just don't plan on coming home.

Experts gathered round corpse of PC market: It's ALIVE! Alive, we tell you

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Re: Reports of its death are greatly exaggerated

Uh...people talk about the demise of the OSX-based Mac market all the time. Will they/won't they? Mac Pro refresh wot? Etc ad nauseam.

Where the bagel have you been?

Microsoft's MCSE and MCSD will become HARDER to win

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Re: "In test for SQL certifications we ask you to actually create an SQL query"

When I want to get into that sort of stuff on Windows, I turn to Liquidware Labs. It isn't as easy as it is in *nix.

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Re: "In test for SQL certifications we ask you to actually create an SQL query"

The command you seek is secedit.

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I have an idea. It's outlandish, but there you go. Why not make the tests more relevant rather than "harder." An example of this might be testing fundamental concepts and/or working on the problem solving capabilities of the individuals taking the tests, rather than their ability to regurgitate propaganda or memorize "the shortest number of clicks" to find the place where Microsoft has most recently moved the control panel items necessary for actually administering a PC?

Microsoft exams are far too much "tell us how Microsoft views the world" and not enough "identify the category of problem and the various ways you might solve it." They are a lot of wrote memorization and virtually no actual problem solving.

The reason I make fun of MCSEs is that they can't format a floppy disk in order to update the BIOS but they can remember obscure powershell commands with exactly the right syntax in order to call up something that used to be two clicks away after login.

Another good one would be "describe and demonstrate understanding of the basic principles of the various common tools for detecting and recovering from a malware infection on a Microsoft PC, starting with Combofix and ending with DBAN." Oh, I could go on for ages and ages. Maybe we should create an El Reg Certified BOFH exam? If you pass without dying you get a Vulture pin and a cow prod?

Too many IT conferences to cover? MICROSOFT to the RESCUE!

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Re: So, let me get this straight...

Most SMBs without a dedicated sysadmin use an MSP. MSPs are a nice way to use a small number of sysadmins to support a large number of SMBs while still getting all the benefits of running your own infrastructure. Still way - way - cheaper than the public cloud. But hey, if you enjoy paying more for less, be my guest. It's not my money you're wasting.

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Re: So, let me get this straight...

If I say that I will buy one high-end, enterprise-class server to run a single workload then I can make Azure seem cost efficient. But the thing is, unless I'm a really small SMB, I'm never doing this. I run multiple workloads on a single server. (Thanks, virtualization that is over a decade old.)

The costs of a single workload get very small, very, very quickly. But Azure does not. Azure still costs $virgins for each and every workload. And it doesn't matter if you're using "the cloud" or not, you still need a sysadmin. Someone still has to manage and maintain that workload.

Sorry, but Azure is only most cost effective in niche cases, and it absolutely isn't cheaper for the majority of small businesses.

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So, let me get this straight...

Microsoft's strategy with the cutbacks seems to be "cut all departments, divisions, and marketing expenditures that our customers, partners and staff actually enjoy or which might make life easier for individuals who fall into one of those three groups." They are in turn going to reinvest in products, technologies and services that are of dubious value to the mass market, to non-Americans and to the channel that has built their empire for the past 30 years.

That says to me that Microsoft is trying for an Oracle-like high-margin play, preferably with recurring revenue (SA, Cloud), and to hell with popularity, mass market, etc. I see a few problems.

1) They historically suck at high margin plays.

2) Everyone in the entire tech industry, from startups to megaliths is trying for the exact same areas. Most of them have a head start, better tech, more evangelists and marketing that knows how to convince fortune 2000 companies that low value for dollar is actually high value for dollar.

3) Because everyone on the planet is trying to drain the high-margin money out of the fortune 2000 there is a massive opportunity in the midmarket that noone else is trying to exploit. This is where Microsoft made it's billions. It's also the very segment that Microsoft is busy alienating.

4) The SMB market has been entirely abandoned, and they aren't buying this "cloud" bullshit, because the value for dollar is basically nonexistant. Microsoft used to at least play here in a token fashion, and it earned them happy joy-joy fuzzies from the proletariat. Those goodfeels are now going elsewhere.

5) Unlike the SMB market, Microsoft hasn't abandoned the consumer market...they're just really, really bad at it. They aren't getting any of the required goodfeels from here.

3, 4 and 5 basically mean that mass market public opinion is doing a PlaysForSure(TM) on Microsoft; if their high -margin-or-bust play fails, they are utterly fucked. They've nothing to fall back on, because they're actively working to drive away customers in all other segments. I don't get it. It looks to me like Microsoft is making a hell of a gamble that they can do "high margin" better than those with decades of experience playing that game...and systematically annihilating any possible backup plans in the meantime.

I wrote a while ago that Microsoft will be hard to kill because it's got so many different segments on the go that it could afford to have several of them not work out. What I didn't count on would be that Microsoft would actively go out of it's way to start killing off as many of these segments as possible.

Microsoft looks hellbent on going from "strongly diversified damned-near unkillable colossus" to "desperately gambling one-trick cloudpony". It's absolutely irrational.

Lawyer reviewing terror laws and special powers: Definition of 'terrorism' is too broad

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Re: He must have missed the memo

"he's actually one of the good guys"

So why isn't he in jail yet?

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"MPs will be asked to "revisit" Blighty's current anti-terrorism law to address the broad definition problem."

It will be found to be insufficiently broad, as apparently it didn't prevent someone from questioning the previous definition. This will be rectified promptly.

THUD! WD plonks down SIX TERABYTE 'consumer NAS' fatboy

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"Is there a reason QNAP and Synology or another manufacturer's NAS owners wouldn't be interested in these drives?"

A) Migration is a bitch.

B) 6TB drives cost $virgins, so the chances you'll just march on out and buy 8 shiny new ones to refurb your extant Synology are basically zilch for a couple years yet.

Though this does mean the 3TB disks should start hitting "sweet spot" pricing, displacing the 2TB drives...

August Patch Tuesday to bring Windows bug fixes AND FEATURES – report

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Re: Microsoft, please don't add a start menu ....

Uh...what? Your solution to "make Microsoft suck less" is misandry? Awesome possum.

Put me in the category of "hire the best person for the job." Experience, knowledge and a willingness to solve the ongoing cultural issues is what matters.

Gender, OTOH, absolutely doesn't matter.

That said, I vote Mary Jo Foley for MS CEO. She'd do wonderfully.

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Re: Microsoft, please don't add a start menu ....

I'd like to say "nobody could be that tone deaf", but this is Microsoft. If there is a way to alienate customers, partners, developers or staff Microsoft will engage in that activity with gusto.

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Re: Microsoft, please don't add a start menu ....

I seriously doubt that an official Microsoft Start Menu will "kill" Classic Shell or Start8. Remember that the start menu is a part of explorer.exe. Worst case scenario is that you need to do a complete shellectomy and replace explorer.exe with something less asstastic.

Now, that would be a lot more work than knocking together a new start menu, but it wouldn't be the first time complete replacement shells were created for Windows. They'd cost a big of money, but after some initial proliferation, the world would settle on a standard set of two or three.

We aren't beholden to Microsoft for the UI. Quite frankly, I think Microsoft should go ahead and continue screwing the UI up royally. If Windows 9 doesn't have a positive reception form the market either then there will be real effort put into new shells. The viability of sticking with Windows 7 once Windows 9 comes out is pretty small. But we aren't going to collectively accept the design decisions Microsoft tries to force on us unless we actually agree with those decisions.

What's more, Microsoft can no more lock down the ability to replace the shell than it can throw out it's military contracts, contracts with banks, etc. There are lots of instances in which full shell replacements are in use in critical areas. It's just time they made their way into the public consciousness.

iiNet says metadata retention means a great big tax on everything

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So add a line item to every subscriber's bill. "$5 surveillance tax." Your xenophobic, ultra-right-wing Aussie voter crowd will suddenly care.

Boffins discuss AI space program at hush-hush IARPA confab

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Re: Time

40 terawatt. 40 watts is just going to tickle.

It's FONDLEMANIA: Mobile devices outstrip PCs on China's internet

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Re: This is very interesting.

I'm not sure what you mean? China has made corruption a captial crime and is slowly altering both it's government structure and culture to cope with a nation that is both increasingly a mixed economy and has access to unlimited information.

Don't assume that just because China has the Great Firewall today that they will seek to censor information at the same level that they do now forever. Will they always censor some information? Probably; but so do all nations, including the US and UK. Will they forever censor information about Tienanmen? Likely not.

The goal of the Party is to stay in power. That means adapting to changing circumstances, not blindly ignoring them. The difference with them is that they have the time, the culture and the means to adapt at a pace that won't cause massive social upheaval or calls for the government's head.

They can push the really horrible stuff out of the public consciousness until it's so far in the past that it just won't matter to the average citizen. They can milk a gentle lessening of restrictions and increased "freedoms" for all the "we love our government" goodthink that is possible.

China is slowly but surely moving towards a mostly free - but still regulated - press and internet, from a restricted and locked down variant of the same. It's people will love the government for it. Western nations, on the other hand, are moving to a mostly free - but increasingly regulated - press and internet as well...but they're coming from a position of nearly absolute freedom. Their citizens will hate them for it.

China is not going to one day implode because it's citizens will have access to western schools of thought and then turn on their government in recognition that The West Was Always Right and that demand change and revolution. Far from it. China is cultivating a great deal of nationalism and pride in it's citizens who increasingly view the west as immoral, decadent, corrupt cowboys.

As much as we like to play up the people who leave China because they dislike conditions or the government, we don't seem to notice or care about those who leave our nations or culture behind for the same reasons. Every nation has those unhappy with the folks in power. What is hard to see is that people in other nations can actually be - and often are - quite happy with how things are.

The Chinese population is - by and large - quite happy with the government. They want things to be better, but who doesn't, in any nation? Similarly, it would surprise most westerners to know that Putin has massive support in Russia; their culture, beliefs and morality are actually that different. Like China, they view the west as a corrupting immorality that needs to be opposed.

So no, I really don't think China will fall because people have access to the internet. If anything, it will make them stronger, more educated, better able to collaborate and result in a more sophisticated and technologically advanced society. One that the west is going to have a lot of trouble keeping up with for the rest of this century.

US judge: Yes, cops or feds so can slurp an entire Gmail account

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Re: This makes sense

"Stop someone in the street for what used to be a non-arrestable offense and have an automatic warrant to search not only their person, all their computers but now any online account held anywhere in the world."

E-mailing while black is about to become a thing.

EU dons gloves, pokes Google's deals with Android mobe makers

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Android *IS* open source. Just like BSD is.

Google's proprietary applications are NOT open source. Just like OSX is not open source.

What's the fucking difference?

Google have made zero attempts to restrict third-party android. They only restrict use of Google's proprietary apps and trademarks. Want to build an Android without the Googliness? Go hard and do so.

Amazon, Nokia and Cynaogen have all made very popular Android forks. Yes, they had to put effort into taking base Android and making it usable. But by the same token, if you want something that newbs can use, you have to do the same thing to BSD. OSX isn't FLOSS for you to run on any device you want. But you're perfectly free to use BSD and slap your own UI on it. Go hard.

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@Orlowski

But there is nothing in Google's Android contracts that prevent you from building an Android-derivative smartphone/tablet/etc if you want. Go right ahead and do so, and put as many services as you want on it, and brand it yourself. Amazon's done it just fine.

You just can't use Google's proprietary services and applications and Google's trademarks unless you use them as a package. I don't see what's wrong with that. Where is this "preventing competition"? How is this preventing competition?

There are decent alternatives for everything Google makes. If you want to ship an Android Smartphone with your custom map software, but not Google Maps, then do so. Go get an alternative version of the rest of the Google stack - Play, Hangouts, etc - and install them alongside your maps software. Brand it under your name and then compete.

If Ford can say "though shalt not use the term Model E unless we say so" then what the merry hell is the problem with Google saying "thou shalt not use our trademarks and branding unless you agree to our terms?"

Apple can say "thou shalt not install OSX on non-Apple PCs" and there's apparently no problem with that. Your media chums can tell me what I can and can't do with the media I purchase, where I can watch it, on what sized screen and with how many friends and that's apparently totally groovy.

But Google saying "use our entire stack of apps and the UI we designed or you can't use our trademarks" is somehow preventing competition? Please explain this to me using little words, because apparently I'm just to stupid to get why this is a problem.

Google doesn't have a monopoly. Apple is a massive competitor in the Smartphone space and it dominates the tablet space. Microsoft is even almost relevant in these spaces. You don't have to use Android if you want a "free" OS for your devices, there are many others. From Android forks to Tizen to open source Android with services like AppBrain.

So this isn't a "Google is a monopoly thing". It isn't really a "Google is doing something completely different than others". It is - sort of - a bundling thing, but in exactly the same way as "OSX on Mac only" and is more closely related to branding and trademark disputes than any "attempt to use a monopoly in one area to create a monopoly in another." Google's monopoly on search is not something anyone has presented any evidence that they have tried to leverage to push companies to accept the "all or nothing" clause for Google's app stack on Android.

So I am going to have to go with "this is about people who don't like Google" more than "something Google is doing that is morally or legally bad". Unless, of course, you can explain to me the issue in terms small enough for my pathetically minute comprehensive capabilities.

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I think you're incorrect.

Embrace, Extend, Monetize is the Silicon Valley way. It's Seattle's bizarre rain-soaked hooligans that change "monetize" to "extinguish."

Consider, for a moment, Apple. They embraced a BSD distro. They extended into OSX and eventually iOS. They then raked in eleventy squillion souls dollars.

Google hopes to do the same with the Linux kernel, and many of the other core Linux packages. The results are Android, ChromeOS, and the handful of internal distros used to run their datacenters.

What about this is "extinguishing"? They're not pulling an ADHD Redmondian "embrace, extend, PlaysForSure, restart entire project with a new standard under a different name". And, unlike Seattle majors, Google gives a metric holycrap back to the open source community. When was the last time you saw more than token code filter out of Amazon, for example?

Different cultures, man. Different cultures.

Seagate chances ARM with NAS boxes for the SOHO crowd

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Re: DOA

Streaming an .mkv of 1080p and streaming an uncompressed blu-ray are two totally different things. I can just barely squeak by with a 720p .mkv and light office work on my 411j. But try to stream that .mkv and run a backup from my notebook? Pffffft.

The 413j has a nice CPU - especially when compared to the 411j - but it's still pretty weedy for an SMB.

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Re: @Trevor

Never played with a Blackarmour...at least, I don't think I have. Sad that they weren't good.