1130 posts • joined 12 May 2010
Re: things like VPN's and the like are banned in the name of protecting the children.
"And banning / supervising one by one, "extremist content", "pirated content", now "filthy content" "
Don't forget the most damaging banned category of all; esoteric content.
It was under Camerons watch that the list of things-to-be-banned was first created and the contents of that list has not really changed much since. Esoteric is a very broad category of things, roughly defined as things that are not in the mainstream, but it allows for the blocking of websites of all kinds; alternative religions, conspiracy sites, BDSM discussion forums, and, perhaps most importantly, alternative political views. Pretty much its carte blanche to ban any website on the basis of "we don't like this because its not our version of 'normal'".
Re: Oh, go on then
"And they say that no man can ever truly appreciate the pain of childbirth..."
Sure they can, and much worse. Go ask someone to kick you in the crown jewels. I garuntee you won't want to go back for a second kick. On the other hand, I know a lot of women who want, or have, second or even third children. Clearly, therefore, the kick in the nuts must be worse.
Re: As you might expect...
"The problem with the Dutch is that they always make tea of boiled water"
Your Dutch colleague is quite right; you shouldn't use boiling water on some tea because it will scald the leaves and ruin the flavour.
"The best temperature for brewing tea depends on its type. Teas that have little or no oxidation period, such as a green or white tea, are best brewed at lower temperatures between 60 °C and 85 °C (140-185 °F), while teas with longer oxidation periods should be brewed at higher temperatures around 100 °C (212 °F). The higher temperatures are required to extract the large, complex, flavorful phenolic molecules found in fermented tea, although boiling the water reduces the amount of dissolved oxygen in the water."
Re: I'm shocked...
Anita Sarkeesian is a man-hating, narcissistic, money-grubbing, self-promoting liar of the first order. She is the Katie Hopkins of feminism, and will stoop to any levels to push her made-up illogical and poorly researched agenda down the throats of stupid people worldwide.
Change my mind.
"I have more solutions, if you need them..."
Oh, and you should look up the term "Cruel and Unusual Punishment". Oh, and definition of the word "Torture". In a non-US dictionary.
" When the 'shock factor' wears off, they'll just dwindle into a very small number of fringe kooks, unable to accomplish anything because nobody pays attention to them any more."
I note, however, that you're still here.
Re: Stop mirroring the media
" When in reality, his [Trumps] approval within the USA is steadily rising."
A swift google search clearly shows that the vast majority of polling and media companies consider Trumps approval ratings to be between 35% and 40% depending on the methods used.
Of course, Breitbart and Fox are claiming the precise opposite and if you get your news solely from them, then it would explain how you may have been misled.
Here's my search results:
Re: A gun is involved in every single mass shooting.
"FACT: if one has to wait for the Police to show up on average 18 people are killed, a CCW carrier and the death rate drops to 2."
Re: A gun is involved in every single mass shooting.
"You're right that sick people are the root cause"
Yep. The sick people who make weapons and ammunition then sell them for profit.
You want the shootings to stop? Stop making weapons for profit.
Re: @Timmy B -- A gun is involved in every single mass shooting.
"The whole point is that it was a check on tyranny."
Yeah.. ...so how's that working out for you?
A gun is involved in every single mass shooting
GOP: We can't have gun regulations, they just won't work!
Also GOP: Let's ban abortion, gay marriage, and, what the hell, Muslims.
If guns were as hard to get in the US as abortions, there would be a lot less guns.
Re: Gender bias in advertising
"Really? The OECD would beg to differ"
The OECD commit the same fallacy that everyone else does; they don't take age demographics into account. In some age ranges (over 30's IIRC) there is pay gap (probably due to long term and outdated employment contracts). If you look at the pay gap for people under 30, you'll find that not only is it far, far more equal, but in some areas and roles, women now earn more than men.
I do not deny that there is a pay gap, and from this report you can see that, in full time employees, there is as much as a 9.4% gap in favour of men, but the same report also highlights that the rate at which pay rises are applied favour female staff by around 7% per year. The times are a-changing, and we need to recognize that its not the 1970's anymore.
I see your OECD and raise you the ONS report:
Re: Is it discrimination
Here's another link that will be useful to anyone discussing this situation in the UK. It's the law, clearly explained, by the Citizens Advice Bureau. It lays out precisely what is and is not discrimination. Take special note of the illegality of provision of services based on gender and the fact that Positive Discrimination is still discrimination.
Re: Is it discrimination
"It is not illegal to limit the job ad reach according to locality. It is illegal to limit the job ad reach according to gender."
Mmhm. Quite so. Perhaps then you can explain these businesses and their hiring policy?
http://www.femalebuilders.co.uk/index.html (Female only builders)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/10786110/White-van-women-Men-shout-at-us-for-being-sexist-were-a-girls-only-removal-firm.html (Female only logistics)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-42997068 (We only publish female writers)
http://worldscreen.com/tveurope/2018/01/31/new-london-based-all-female-production-company-launches/ (Women only theatrical production/promotion company)
or, how about all these jobs that are advertised as female only? Granted, some of them should be (female models, gym instructors, carers etc.) but some should not (modelling agent, Sales assistant, early years practitioner etc.).
If people want equality then they need to practice equality. The Law should be applied equally to all, and opportunity should be open to all.
And yes, these companies are breaking the law.
Re: Obamacare === Medicare? Not!!
"Being told that we have to buy something is anathema"
You ever heard of taxation?
You pay an amount of taxes, decided upon by someone else, democratically elected. Some of those taxes go into a defence budget that is then used to maintain a military to keep all Americans safe from things that might harm them.
Try replacing the words "Defence" and "Military" with the words "Healthcare" and "Medical service".
Or do you think that being forced to pay for a military that may never defend you is a similar waste of your money? After all, some of that defence may be used to defend people who can't afford to defend themselves, and you're clearly being forced to pay for that. Perhaps the defence budget should be scrapped and every American should decide what level of defence they want for themselves, then source it and finance it independently, and if someone can't afford it then that's their problem. You'll only defend yourself if and when someone attacks your country, right?
Perhaps education should be the same? Or civil infrastructure?
Your argument doesn't hold water.
Re: The cost of theft
Being a bully, either personally or internationally, does not make one great.
Re: "socialism ultimately fails because it runs out of "other people's money"
Well said, Terry 6. A nice description of the distinctions between political philosophies, but please, allow me to simplify it for some of the more hard of thinking types we have screaming about their freedumbs…
Dear Trump Voter:
Capitalism = Put the money first, above and beyond everything else, including people, collectively known as society.
Socialism = Put society, the people, first, above and beyond everything else, including the creation of wealth, known as capital.
Money, sat in a bank, holds no power in and of itself. Only when money is used to benefit society, does its true power become manifest.
Re: What could possibly go wrong,..
"are the Govt sure their very own ministers aren't going to end up with egg on their faces here?"
Yeah, easy. They'll make themselves exempt from the laws like they have done with all of the other surveillance measures they've put in place so far.
Re: Foreboding Forecast?
Thanks for the superb answer to my hypothesis; you have many valid points and observations there. The only area I'd take some issue with is this:
"You can't externalise a jail term...  ...For example here in the UK, management are personally criminally liable for health and safety failings, in sufficiently severe cases"
It's rare, if ever, that this is the case. The underlying concept of a Public Liability Company (PLC, LLC in the US, as defined in the Incorporation Act 1926) is to remove/mitigate the personal liability of individual investors, owners and employees of a company and make the company as a whole liable. The intended effect is that, with less at risk, investors will invest more capital making corporations stronger and better.
A PLC doesn't need to externalize a jail term, because, being non-corporeal, it will never face one - only fines. This, alongside financial externalization, means its nearly impossible to actually punish a PLC as a whole and even harder to hold a CEO accountable for the actions of the company itself.
Only since 2014 has the law begun to really consider personal liability of individual employees, under something called Deferred Prosecution Agreements, but these can be used as a form of externalization in and of themselves allowing a PLC to say "Oh! that wasn't us that did the Bad Thing, it was this specific employee, the bastard! Let us hand them over to you...." - A good example of this was the LIBOR fraud a few years back where specific employees were identified by the banks involved and handed over to the law.
Judge this as you will, but murky waters it certainly is.
You just can't trust...
You just can't trust Google, Facebook or Twitter, so make sure you unsubscribe from those services.
Then switch back to Fox news for the Real American Truth.
[May contain sarcasm]
Re: Sheryl Sandberg was/is considering a run for President
" what makes anyone suitable for president".
Selection by the illuminati, CFR and the Federal Reserve. Secondary approval by The Bilderberg group and performance monitoring by our Alien Lizard Overlords.
" how many past holders of that post (never mind the present one) have been qualified?"
All of them. Except JFK. He failed his probation period.
Re: Sheryl Sandberg was/is considering a run for President
"What makes Sheryl Sandberg qualified to be President?"
Maybe she's Authentic?
Re: Foreboding Forecast?
"Take the rap, pay the fines, and carry on? Sounds unlikely"
Not as unlikely as you may think. There is a common economic practice in business called "Managed Externalities". At its basic level it involves passing costs out of your business to some third party. For example, you might engage a courier to deliver all your internal mail as running the deliveries yourself is more costly (or you might outsource your IT call centre to a cheap, off-shore company...).
Externalities can, however, be used for much darker purposes, such as in the case of pollution where companies rely on environmental programs and charities to clean up their mess rather than pay for it themselves.
In one case a certain Airline had suffered a number of fatal crashes over a period of time and were hauled up by aviation authorities to explain themselves. It turned out that the airline had failed to install all of the safety equipment and perform the safety checks they should've. Their excuse was the cost involved vs the "low incident" of crashes. The Courts disagreed and set astronomical fines for each and every life lost or injury inflicted due to the failing of safety procedures - the idea was that the airline would find it cheaper to see to safety than to pay the fines.
Instead, the airline used externalization to solve the problem - they raised flight fares to cover the potential cost of paying the fines and blamed "new legislation" for the price hike.
Its entirely possible that FB and co. will simply raise their advertising rates for the same reason and thus externalize the entire problem. Given that they have already failed to externalize the moral issues to legal process and/or user behavior I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them take this path, or possibly even charging the users a nominal fee and covering it up as a "premium, no advertisements or unsolicited material" style account.
Re: But let's be clear....
"Start with the PPE graduates"
Oi! I'm a PPE undergrad (mature student and then some) and I'm absolutely not in favour of a surveillance police state. In fact, the reason I started studying PPE was to equip myself to the same standards as the muppets who are in charge so that I can challenge on the same terms.
On day one of year one our lecturer told us this; "You may come into this course expecting to learn 'good and right politics', but you'd be mistaken. You may enter as a socialist, a capitalist, a fascist or libertarian. I assure you, you will leave the course with your views reinforced and a stronger belief that ever before that you are in the right. I hope to challenge that by providing you with tools to challenge yourselves; but only you can present that challenge and most, sadly, choose not to."
So, that reinforces your maxim of API, APO. (arrogant pricks in, arrogant pricks out), but lets not assume that anyone who studies PPE needs to be horse-whipped.
Here's hoping I'm not an arrogant prick at the end of it.
Re: "With the rise of the far right,"
I was going to reply to your post, but really....it's not worth it if you've fallen for the anti-Semite nonsense being spread by right wing propagandists in order to detract from their own monstrosities and throw a smoke screen over the real evils they are committing daily. If you want a list, I'll provide it.
Perhaps its worth your time examining the number of actual cases of anti-Semitism, where people have been sacked from Labour to the number of sacking for Islamophobia in the Conservative party in the same time frame. Apparently the overwhelming number of such sackings has been insufficient to warrant the same demands that May steps down....
Also, please note: Criticism of the Israeli government and/or support for the people of Palestine is not Anti-Semitism - I hate trump and his mindless half-arsed, child-brained policies, and I think that US justice is a racist, capital led farce and their their "exporting of democracy" is just hateful propaganda but I don't hate all Americans in general just because they happened to be born there. Same horse right there.
NASA 'sextortionist' allegedly tricked women into revealing their password reset answers, stole their nude selfies
"For six of the women, according to the US government, Bauer did have nude pictures, which he obtained by hacking the victims' accounts with Facebook, Google, and other online services."
Good grief. Is there anyone who ISN'T keeping nude pictures of themselves online these days?!
" really dangerous people would simply look elsewhere for their internet service"
But its never been about surveilling the "bad guys", has it? It's about surveilling everyone so that the PtB can selectively remove or silence any threat to their wealth or power.
"For nudes, replace the word with something (digital) of yours that was private that you care about and didn't want publicised to the world."
It's not fine for any digital media to be hacked, copied/stolen etc. and I'm not going to bite at your strawman argument about people with differing opinions to me, but I will try an example of some other digital media that might be seen in the same way...
Celeb has a wedding in secret, much fuss is made of it in the media. Celeb refuses to give out pictures because privacy. After fuss dies down, Celeb does exclusive deal with tat magazine to release pictures. Later, pics are stolen by hacks and sold to lots of other magazines....
Celeb goes to court to sue hack and other magazines....because privacy!
Can we not see the hypocrisy involved? Happy to get naked for cash on screen, but "embarrassed" when pics emerge elsewhere having been pirated like any other digital media.
In order to make legal purchases from Amazon, you need to provide them with a credit or debit account identified by a series of numbers that are issued/protected (in theory) by a registered banking institution.
How does that compare to taking a nude selfie and storing it? You don't *need* to do that for any reason, do you?
The comparison is surely invalid?
[Footnote: If I did have to provide nudes in order to make purchases online, my credit rating wouldn't be good at all.]
Google keeps tracking you even when you specifically tell it not to: Maps, Search won't take no for an answer
Re: Stuff Like This Should Be Illegal
"Can't that be countered by simply learning EVEN MORE about that facet than him"
Yes indeed, providing your facts stand up to better scrutiny than the opposition brings to the table...
...of course, you also have to be prepared to be called a conspiracy theorist yourself just for understanding the subject and questions put forth, and also be ready to be left with some questions that are difficult, if not impossible, to answer. Also, you'll be dismissed out of hand by a lot of smug people who think that they know the Truth, regardless of whether they are pro- or anti-conspiracy and don't bother to ask questions of themselves, only others.
You're doing the right thing though - Question everything.
Re: Stuff Like This Should Be Illegal
"BTW, I was one of your upvoters, you made a good point"
Thank you! I consider myself a sceptic, or if you are familiar with the concept or term, a Fortean Sceptic. Unless I am presented with evidence to support a claim, I treat the claim with scepticism. I make no distinction between sources only between verifiable evidence; I ask questions and expect the experts on the subject to be able, and willing, to answer. I also expect the answer to be clear and intelligible.
By way of example, I gave a lot of consideration to the suggestion that we, as a species, had not really visited the moon and that the footage was fake. I made a list of all the available claims that people had made against the landings, put a line through each claim that offered no evidence, found a metric ton of evidence we've been there and foiled nearly each and every claim where some evidence was offered, but I was left with a question or two that are yet to be answered. I also found some evidence to suggest that not everything may be as obvious as we may think. Let me be clear; this does not mean that I think we didn't go to the moon, we clearly did, but that doesn't mean that every single question has been answered or that all contrary evidence is invalid.
My own current belief, on this particular subject, is that the Apollo missions took place as recorded, but were possibly embellished in order to reinforce the propaganda value of the missions; Additional pictures may have been created for newspaper circulation because the original pictures may not have been of a suitable standard, or the US wanted to convince the USSR that the technology employed was vastly superior to anything they might have had access to, and there is some evidence to support that notion.
I try to apply this method of thinking to all theory and I get frustrated when otherwise intelligent people fall back to logical fallacies to defend their point of view.
Re: Stuff Like This Should Be Illegal
"you're a nutjob, and if you don't turn around, I guarantee you'll soon believe that..."
Your one downvote is from me, because your statement above irritates me. Just because someone might have questions about one event, it does not follow that they will swallow any and all conspiracy theory. For instance, you might believe that the rapture is about to happen but completely reject the idea of UFO abduction. You may think that we never went to the moon, but reject the flat earth nonsense.
Millions of people all over the world believe in a sky-fairy for which they have no proof, tentative or otherwise, but we don't assume they all believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Stop conflating things to make your argument, it's a weak standpoint.
If someone says we didn't go to the moon then ask for their evidence (which should be extraordinary) and then work towards countering that evidence with rational argument and research. Just dismissing it out of hand doesn't educate anyone or inform the argument. If all we did was dismiss such notions, we'd still think that mountain gorillas were fictional, that Watergate never happened because surely the president of the USA is beyond reproach, or that the Iran-Contra affair never happened. These were all conspiracy theories, remember, until evidence and debate were presented. If you want a more topical example, take a look at the WMD claims in the Iraq Conflict.
It is foolish to assume that everything we are told by TPTB is accurate, truthful and beyond question, and equally foolish to assume that because someone believes in X they will also believe in Y.
After all, Google have clearly told us that they aren't doing anything dodgy at all, and we're just conspiracy theorists claiming that they're tracking us for their own purposes all the time, even when we don't want them to!
Conspiracy theorists fall down when they refuse to accept the answers and evidence provided to them. Anti-Conspiracists fall down by not questioning "official" accounts of events.
Good point.... will Facebook now delete posts made by Fox News? Most of their news is biased, fake and designed to introduce division and polarizing of opinion.
"I certainly don't need FB for _MY_ news, nor google for my searches. Or whatever."
Nah, you've got Fox to tell you all you need to know, eh?
Re: Just Saying ...... Are they men or mice?
"UKGBNI Government "
UK == Scotland, Northern Ireland, England & Wales
GB == Scotland, England & Wales
NI == Northern Ireland
British Isles == Scotland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland & assoc. islands.
Notice the redundancy in your preferred acronym.
...Is it all its quacked up to be?
Indictment bombshell: 'Kremlin intel agents' hacked, leaked Hillary's emails same day Trump asked Russia for help
Re: Society Seems To Be Fragmeting or Declining in Standards
"the £350million per week not going to the EU, everyone knew it was metaphorical."
Bullshit was it. It was a direct statement of alleged fact that had no basis in reality. In any other sphere that would be false advertising at best and fraud at worst. I'll call it what it was; bullshit propaganda and lies.
"People in the UK were either severely affected by the EU policies"
Care to name one that's actually factual, or are you going to go on about the shape of bananas, the colour of your passport or how lenient we have to be on prison inmates? All of which are bullshit lies too.
"People wanted change - and they voted accordingly."
Yeah, that's right, democracy at work! The people voted for Boaty McBoatface too and they didn't get that because....drum roll...it was a referendum, advisory and not politically binding.
"For Brexit, the brexit bus could have said everyone gets a free corn fed chicken at Christmas, and people will still have voted to leave"
This much is true, because stupid is as stupid does. Also, I hope you look forward to your corn-fed chicken coming freshly bleached from the U.S.
Re: Smartphone pouches
"You don't need pouches, just turn off location when you are not on company business."
Not necessarily sufficient to turn off location reporting these days:
So, have I got this right....?
Provider pushes out an update that causes all your pictures to be sent, via MMS, to a random contact. Provider denies they did any such thing. Provider bills people for vast number of MMS sent at premium rates.
Not a bad scam.
Re: Entering New Zealand
"best collective noun..."
It could be a despair of managers, or perhaps a misunderstanding of managers, but I think I'll go for a gawp of managers as my entry.
Re: Made it here first!
"Drugs are bad. Mmmmkay?"
Are you including alcohol in that sweeping statement?
"Ah, I specifically said 'your family' for a reason, because I knew both of those were going to turn up"
You've come to the wrong forum if you're going to lean on semantics for the core of your argument.
"Perhaps we should just leave this EU single market thingy."
Last night, the Commons voted to transfer all EU law into UK law in a very short period of time. Once that exercise is complete, those laws can then be "amended" to suit the UK governments vision of Things to Come.
It'd be nice to think that they'd spot this particular one and throw it out, saying "we won't stand for our nations internet users uploads being spot checked for....ahem...copyright infringement! That's against our nations strong stance on freedom of speech and expression."
But, if I thought, for even one second that they are actually going to something like that, I might just find some worth in Brexit after all.
I believe that this particular issue may be a real red flag for anyone who believe in the "taking back sovereignty" slogan.
Does anyone else notice how, throughout this technical and complicated international discussion about the future of border security, intelligence sharing and anti-terrorist initiatives that there is zero mention of things such as public safety, effective policing or common defence?
Anyone would think that the PtB aren't concerned with such things really and that this is just another dick-measuring contest as they try to grab power over each other.
People may think that they've expressed their will and that Brexit is now the implementation of that will, but they'd be wrong. Its just a vehicle for realigning power to suit those that wield power.
It's not about us at all.
"..worked with our European colleagues to share *illegally gathered data on our citizens* to protect our *failing regime and political system*"
Re: Good Luck
" You comment would be better suited if applied to all politicians of all colours. particularly Tony Bliar."
A salient lesson
Never put down to conspiracy what can be explained by incompetence.
Re: Suggestive, but nothing more
"humans on Mars with deep drilling rigs to dig right down into known ice deposits "
Do you want to awaken dormant sci-fi monsters? Because that's how you awaken dormant sci-fi monsters.
So, you want to be able to shoot down drones over US airspace if you have suspicions about the intention of the operator. Ok. And to reinforce your argument, you showed footage of a drone, operated by ISIS, dropping a hand-grenade? Ok, good.
Where was that footage obtained? Was it in the US? How many ISIS cells are currently buying drones and hand-grenades in the US? How many times has ISIS undertaken any operation on the US mainland?
What do you think the range of one of these drones actually is?