Re: And the choice is ?
@Captain DaFt
I'd like to give you more than one upvote for that shout-out to tilde~club, good call :)
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Association != Prejudice (although you could argue it implies it of course).
A lot depends on the actual questions. For example:
Q - Which of the following names do you think is a footballer?
A:Gary B:Deborah B:Constantinople
If you answered
A: Then you are prejudiced against female Romans
B: You are prejudiced against football
C: You are prejudiced against rational thought
Even on Win7 it can take an age to load up and run Outlook (for example).
I do recall the days when my workplace ran win3.11FWG and Pine as the email app.
Considering how much less power the machine that was running that setup was, it's even more amazing that pretty much the exact same function, 20 years later on massively more powerful machines, TAKES A LOT LONGER FFS!!
I was at the dentist the other day and noticed their system was running on Win10.
What assurances do I have that my medical records are not currently being shown on some screen in Redmond, and how is it that this *ISN'T TOTALLY ILLEGAL !!*??
"Are they going to listen now to the calls to delay this nonsense for 6 months?"
I have two words for you that will answer that question: Cognitive Dissonance.
For those that aren't aware of what this means: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
People who have invested a lot (time/money/reputation) on a particular course of action will do just about anything *except* admit they were wrong. They will just dig the hole even deeper (i.e. they will roll this out to the private sector next year).
There will be lots of pain and tears before this policy is actually shot through the head and buried.
"Eh? The point I'm making is that permies don't have the flexibility of contractors to spend their own money as they see fit "
I believe the AC who responded to you by suggesting that you try it out by becoming a freelance contractor - that way you will have the freedoms and benefits you are referring to.
Whilst we can (and should) pay ourselves sick pay from the company coffers, if we aren't working then those coffers dry up pretty quickly. Getting paid sick leave from as part of a salaried job doesn't run out in quite the same way.
What happens when you unlock your laptop and give it to them to copy/infest or whatever and there are large numbers of encrypted files on there?
Can they force you to unlock the files?
What about if the reason the files are encrypted is because it is sensitive data that is subject to strict handling rules (rules determined by a US organisation for example).
Which law has the most clout?
"Atm, not sure if wiser to secure yourself, or attempt to get lost in the noise."
If we're talking about serious TLA's then hiding yourself in the noise is reasonable, but since we are now talking about people having access to your details and selling the info then I would go secure.
Personally, I'm not going to go to the bother of VPN's outside my country (I prefer the speed benefits of local connections) so the spooks/law can still get my data if they think it's necessary for some reason, but the bottom feeders won't be getting my details.
@AC You could do that with Enterprise kit, but with home routers you are best off doing it with multiple devices.
For example, have a single ADSL router that connects to your ISP.
Inside that you have two routers, one which will create VPN#1 and the other will create VPN#2.
Everything you want to go via VPN#1 you send to the IP for that device, same with VPN#2.
Bobsherunkle!
#"You take on someone to do work without needing to make them a permanent employee with all the constraints that brings to getting rid of them when things get tight."
As a long time contractor now, can anyone tell me whether I would be entitled to employment privileges the moment I am found inside IR35?
For example, if I contract somewhere more than two years, can I claim redundancy or unfair dismissal if I am suddenly asked to leave without any prior warning?*
*Which ,as a contractor, I expect to potentially happen at any time which is why I structure my accounts accordingly. My takehome pay is *not* the same as my company income - far, far from it.
El Reg: What's the point of fighting for the governments right to scan your brain, when they can't scan your brain?
Francis: It is symbolic of their struggle against freedom.
El Reg: It's symbolic of their struggle against reality.
Apologies to Monty Python for the paraphrasing :)
"This is just ageist bollocks. I'm over the age of 70. I've been using computers for nearly 50 of those years starting with FORTRAN "
Do you consider yourself 'typical' in this regard? Do you also have a long-standing career in an entirely different field under your belt as well?
It was clearly a general-ism and not intended to be 'ageist'. I refer the honorable gentleman to the following court extract on this very subject..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VgwxKW0J6I
Think yourself lucky, when learned my trade we had to be able to set up all of those odd little protocols etc. Decnet/Banyan Vines/Appletalk/ IPX/SPX etc. etc.
So much easier now it's all just IP - you'd think they'd be able to focus their efforts and reduce the number of vulnerabilities. Personally I would like to see *one*department dedicated to simplifying an existing (reasonable) feature-set, rather than trying to stick bits on here, there and everywhere all the time.
I recently read a white paper (with perforations) on how our brains store an image map of all the file names on our computers (so that we know where to find them, natch). If you delete the files you can apparently induce the brain to re-produce this image map by flashing an 100000lux light directly onto each retina in 1ms pulses. Apparently the image map will form on the wall behind the persons skull, so be ready with that photo insensitive paper to record it! (You won't get a second chance, because once the retina is incinerated it can't be used to transfer all that light to the brain anymore).
I'm sure the paper used more technical terms, I've paraphrased it for the management types.
"Permanent workers get job security!"
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one. Overall I've had more job security as a consultant that I ever had as a permie. Coupled with the problem that as a permie I *thought* I had job security - when the hammer falls with little notice you aren't prepared for it.
Now, as a contractor, I have 6 months money in the bank and I am always trying to improve my skill base (not just technical) to ensure I remain competitive (which was harder to do in a permanent position as it's easy to forget you're living on a knife edge).
The worst type risks are the ones you haven't accounted for. Once you know the risks, and account for them, then I find contracting a lot more secure (yes, partly because I have to work harder to make sure I am - but that's what helps me keep my edge).
Ok, I get that HMRC will get additional revenue from employer contributions for a permie, they might even add up to the difference in tax receipts from the freelancer, but what about all that lovely VAT we collect for the government?
If I were on £400/day (5 days a week, 48 weeks in the year) then the government gets a tidy little sum of over £16k/year in VAT receipts. That would all go if I went permie. It's a lose-lose situation.
"Really, where's that? I've been in security as a perm for ~15 years and I can only think of one contractor I've worked alongside in that time (over five employers)"
These days I tend to work for large multi-national suppliers who have large multi-national clients (think companies > 10000 employees).
The team I'm currently working with is about 15 strong now (up from 1 about 3 years ago :) ) and only 3 of them are permie. The supplier just can't seem to find enough good people for these consultancy gigs who are permanent workers. To be honest they struggle to get decent contractors as well - especially on the account I work on - it isn't an easy customer :)
They asked me if I would be interested in a permie role about 2 years ago, and when I expressed my starting price I didn't hear anything back. However, they did keep me on for another two years on my day rate (which has gone up several times due to all the extra value I bring). Based on what I originally asked for they would have made an absolute packet out of the client had they taken me on as a permie back then.
"Perhaps this is why I can't afford to run a car when everyone else in infosec seems to be rolling in money... :S"
Too many variables to comment on that, I have no idea what kind of area you work in and for what type of clients, but if I told you that the technical aspect of my job, whilst still challenging on occasion, is only about 25% of what I actually do it might give you some idea of where to focus. If you would class yourself as a 'techie' then you're missing out on a huge market that wants people with a broad range of people/admin/management skills on top of being technical. That's when the rates start to shift up a gear or two.
I might be expensive, but I'm good *value*. ;)
"how does that calculate as an increase in any way, shape or form?"
"Because the permie's pre-tax income is a fraction of the contractor's, even accounting for employer-borne costs."
You're going to have to run that one past me again mate, because your response doesn't make sense.
I'm saying that if I'm 'encouraged' to go permie, then HMRC loses out to the tune of over £6k/year, and you say that's an increase to HMRC because the permie job pays less?
You're an idiot.
"Contractors pay way, way less tax than anyone else doing equivalent work."
Get fucked you numpty, what do you know about it?
A permie doing my job would pay about £24k/year in tax. I pay over £30k/year (that's including the benefit of paying myself a basic salary to lower my NIC).
If I go permie, HMRC loses £6k+ a year in tax receipts - how does that calculate as an increase in any way, shape or form?
re: Gary Smith vs Pimlico Plumbers
"In this case, the Tribunal found that the Claimant was not an employee, but because the company maintained some control over the way in which the Claimant worked, he was considered to have been a worker."
I have no idea what the difference between a 'worker' and an 'employee' actually is :/
edit: https://www.gov.uk/employment-status/overview
They haven't thought this through.
Sure, there will be some who just hike their rates to cover the extra tax, and there will be some who head abroad, but I reckon a lot will just go permie and at least have the comfort of sick pay and paid holidays, medical care, pension contributions etc.
Trouble is, permie work pays less, so there's less overall tax for HMRC.
Net result: Lower tax receipts, loss of skilled consultants, huge impact to workforce flexibility - inability for companies to hire on a project (ie revenue) basis - increasing risk all round.
The field I work in, Network Security, is comprised of about 80% freelance, 20% permie. Is that really an area where the government wants to reduce effectiveness?
Depending on how Brexit pans out for foreign workers (I should also mention that it's probably about 10-20% native Brits in my field as well, almost everyone I work with is from another country) we could end up with a perfect storm in which we red-tape ourselves to death :(
The NHS is a long way from perfect, it's wasteful and underfunded at the same time and the working conditions are crap.
However, it is a *lot* better than nothing I can assure you. I wish I had the power to improve it and cut down on waste etc. (and idiots turning up to A&E with a broken nail but that's another story).
If you've done something stupid and injured yourself, yes you will be on the receiving end of some very unsympathetic arsehole in a white coat and have to wait 5 hours to be treated, but they *will* treat you.
You can criticize the NHS when your country has something better that we can all look to for inspiration.
I once took a contract at BT and it was a fairly boiler plate affair (pre ir35) but it clearly stated that I was agreeing to random drug tests.
Since I don't do drugs (tests) I had them remove that clause - it surprised them only because no-one had ever even asked before (why was I not surprised).
It isn't like they ever actually *had* random drugs tests though, I was just making a point. Used to be good fun winding up my contractor colleagues who had been raving and sitting in a chillout tent the weekend before by telling them that they were conducting tests on the first floor and that they would be doing our section later that day - everyone except for me of course ;)