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417 posts • joined 16 Dec 2009

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Muslim American woman sues US border cops: Gimme back my seized iPhone's data!

peter_dtm
Flame

Re: "[T]he Trump administration was cracking down on Muslim people traveling into the States."

What ?

Pardon ?

You do realise that that particular example was about keeping people IN a country before murdering. Similar to Cambodia (Pohl Pott); China (Culteral Revolution) assorted genocides in Russia/USSR.

So a country reserves the right to examine you at the border - most Arab states (Saudi of course reserves the right to examine every storage device; and no encryption is allowed); most African; a lot of American states (including the big one in the northern part) oh and most European states do exactly that.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HELL OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM

However you may like to research what happened to the refuges from that period who were refused entry into all sorts of surprising countries; um; you could start with the Exodus - refugee ship.

You obviously failed to understand anything taught to you in history

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Microsoft CEO wades into ICE outcry: Cool it, we only do legacy mail

peter_dtm

What about the employees ?

If I were a shareholder I would be demanding some scalps. It is called bringing the company into disrepute; it may even qualify as moral turpitude- both tend to be instant dismal offences.

If you as an employee don’t like what your employer is doing you have a couple of options

1 tell your boss you will not work on certain contracts

2 resign and get a job with an employer with whose morals/ethics/politics you can live with

That’s it for a public company; same for a government department

Of course option 1 may lead to your early termination; but that wouldn’t worry you because how on earth could you work for such a revolting organisation?

Like so many other issues now days; it is all about virtue signaling - zero risk to self; as after all you couldn’t be expected to actually DO something could you ?

(And no; it is not whistle blowing either; as the contracts are a matter of public record)

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peter_dtm

Re: Avoidance

LeahroyNake

Whataboutism is strong in you

What the settlers did back then was legal at the time

Like Africans selling slaves to Arabs who then sold slaves to Europeans was legal then.

Nothing whatsoever to do with the application of the law (how ever harsh it may seem) that is current.

What would I do ? Try either obeying the law; or not bitching when caught breaking the law.

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I see a satellite of a man ... Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, that's now 4 sats fit to go

peter_dtm

So the EU agricultural tariffs don’t exist ?

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peter_dtm

If it was all about nostalgia why does it prosper ?

And the proposal is to work with the Commonwealth which inter alia would perhaps include trade agreements, beneficial to both parties, perhaps by reducing food tariffs, while extending the science & technical co-operation that is currently crippled by EU tariffs and rules explicitly designed to impose unfavourable trade conditions on our once favoured trading partners of the Commonwealth.

We did this before ( although we were promised that this would not happen), changed our trading focus, last time we swapped a global based market for a local continentally bound closed custom union which had/has the belief it should be a state. This time we can leave a customs union and rejoin a global market place, resolving the dichotomy caused by the wish of the EU governing (un-elected) bodies for ever closer union compared to the apparent wish of the British NOT to be part of a centrally governed super state

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Growing markets ( because time hasn’t stood still)

We have a negative trade balance with a shrinking market.

And yes, when we left the Commonwealth trade block and joined a customs union it was indeed a moment of national madness, the lies told then were as bad as the lies told now.

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India

Pakistan

Bangladesh

South Africa

Australia

New Zealand

Canada

Zambia

Caribbean nations

Pacific nations

Growing market unlike the shrinking EU.

How many people in the Space faring, aircraft carrier, nuclear nation that is India ?

With a growing market ?

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peter_dtm

Um, having GAINED independence the Commonwealth countries VOLUNTEERED to join the Commonwealth. It is so well thought of that non Empire countries ask (& are allowed) to join.

Perhaps not everyone is aware of what the Commonwealth is ? (& does)

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Hmm, the down votes I presume are for pointing out that the Commonwealth is larger and more diverse (& tolerant & a far larger market & mostly lacking in ant-Democratic edicts and directives)

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We should just take our toys now, get with the Commonwealth and create a decent Newton constellation- after all, the Commonwealth is global and very diverse, unlike some other local small minded wannabe super states

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Brit ISPs get their marker pens out: Speed advertising's about to change

peter_dtm

Re: I have Virgin Media 350mb and get .....

I have 200MB package

I have a fing box that cracks every 4 hours (+/~ 30 minutes)

Weeks average 216.4/12.7

5GHz WiFi to iThings >120Mb REGARDLESS of other users on the 5GHz network (4 phones 5 tablets).

Plus smart speakers/Doorbell/Hive/homebridge hub on an RPi and smartlights all running on 2.5GHz

Plus the wired Fing box & AppleTV

Damn system is as solid as a rock - apart from the Hive kit; just don’t get Hive, it is seriously crap & messes up the rest of the smart home kit.

I actually set up 5 TV streams on 5GHz plus the AppleTV & all ran smoothly - one of the phones used smart speakers for 2 speaker sound as well

Mind you, their hell desk is only marginally more useful than a politician. Absolutely the worst experience of my ‘call help desk’ life

When other providers offer comparable experience/speeds I will ditch VM solely because of their hell desk.

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Supreme Court to dig into Google's very cosy $8.5m deal with lawyers over web search leak

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Since when did the cost of disbursement ever worry a lawyer

The court shouldn’t care less how much it costs the loser to pay out the damages (note to USA-ians it is could not care less not your totally wrong headed could care less...).

In fact wouldn’t that be part of their punishment part of the findings.

I have NEVER found any legal person who wouldn’t chase 4c that was owed to them; even if it cost the debtor a million bucks to pay; they ALWAYS get their pound of flesh; and then some.

Sounds like all the class action ‘winners’ should take a class action against the courts and this corrupt practice

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Sysadmin’s worst client was … his mother! Until his sister called for help

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Obsolescence : free with chrome/Windows/Android

The Apple ones are predicable - to which the answer is "They don't have a usb port - or headphone socket".

To which the reply is

For the jack socket : Why do you want 19th century technology on your nice modern kit ?

As for the USB port, what do you need that for ? I actually have a USB to lightening memory stick. Can’t remember when I last needed it though, files, Dropbox, OneDrive. Airdrop. Email, iMessage etc etc etc all just work.

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peter_dtm

That’s telegraphese

Long before txt spk was invented we had telegraphese or telex (tlx) or morse or shorthand.

Nrmly done by drpng vowels

Important as tlgrms charged by the ltr & usng no vwls cud save a fortne

Nw fangld txt spk is less obvs & cn b v obscr

There was life before txt, complx rich & jst as bzar

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Happy 100th birthday to the Royal Air Force

peter_dtm
Pint

Re: sod the technology

@ledswinger properly understated rant old chap

do have a pint or 5

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Google to 'forget me' man: Have you forgotten what you said earlier?

peter_dtm

Re: "It was legal to kill Jews in WWII Germany. Does not make it right."

@LDS

All nations practiced slavery UNTIL the British Royal Navy attempted to stop slavery.

Yes, until the end of the 19th century when Britain made slavery illegal every tribe/group/nation engaged in slavery and slave trading.

The British through the Royal Navy’s Anti Slavey Patrol went against the entire rest of the world in the first ever attempt to stop the practice.

Unfortunately slaveyi s still practiced (and approved of) by some nations and some religions.

The African branch of the Arab Salve trade bought from willing African suppliers. The trade to the east coast (and on to the Persian Gulf and India) was far larger and far more brutal then that trade with the west coast of Africa that supplied the American trade.

What is it with this ignorance of history, any one would think it was discrimination the way ONLY the American slave trade is ever discussed and held up as an example of moral wrong doing. The ONLY good guys in the history of international slavery were the British Empire who were the first to try and stop it.

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It's Pi day: Care to stuff a brand new Raspberry one in your wallet?

peter_dtm
Mushroom

Re: ISO 8601

Well there’s the problem(s) straight away

www.loca.gov

goverment ! USAian gov at that.

The Radio people sorted this out back in the early part of the 20th centuary !

Day starts at 00:00:00 and ends at 23:59:59

Binary - two digits - 0 to 1 NOT 2; octal 0 to 7 NOT 8; deneray 10 digits 0 to 9 NOT 0 to 10; hex - well you should get thge point by now. How on earth can you have hour 24 a 24 hour system ?

Monday 23:59:58 tic Monday 23:59:59 tic TUESDAY 00:00:00 tic Tuesday 00:00:01...

There is no such time as 24:00 (or 24:00:00)

ANY attempt to go to 24:00:00 is patently barking mad

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peter_dtm

Re: Dates

@mike moyle

That very sensible convention was invented by WHO (the drs; as inb World Health Organisation; not The Dr.)

The concept was simple

Month - Roman

Day - one or two digits

Year - always 4 digits

12 VII 2018 or 2018 12 VII or VII 2018 12

It is ALWAYS un-ambiguous; never understood why it didn’t catch on

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peter_dtm
Happy

Re: Dates

oh Charles 9 you forgot about the time zone letter notation - where J would indicate Z+10 hours.

Which puts the nearest bit of the US at V and very sensibly does not allow for the barking mad concept of time zones on half hours; or the equally barking mad concept of DST - 12:00z mid day at Greenwich; so to try and claim 12:00 BST is mid day is demonstrably delusional I know it is hard to prove in the grey cloudy days that make up UK weather; but occasionally the sun shines on the centre of the known universe and it is then easy to show that the sun is overhead in Greenwich at 12:00Z not at 12:00A

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Beware the looming Google Chrome HTTPS certificate apocalypse!

peter_dtm

Re: Two way street

It is a mystery to me why Security people allow the normal corporate user to use google.com (.co.uk /.za etc). Meta data from what is being searched MUST give Google a massive clue as to what any specific (large) business is focusing on.

I am amazed that the otherwise sensibly paranoid security wonks let any un-anomanised search engine be used. I would have expected them to insist on using the likes of DuckDuckGo and to have blocked google and forbidden Chrome as being totally unacceptable risks to IP

It really is a glaring hole

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Apple's top-secret iBoot firmware source code spills onto GitHub for some insane reason

peter_dtm
FAIL

Re: My device - I'll jail break it if I want to ...

Um; no.

Apple’s AppStore - Apple’s rules.

Nothing to stop you (or anyone else) writing Apple Hardware based Apps and offering them for sale/giveaway. Just Apple won’t let you do it through their Apple AppStore

Of course you may have non disclosure issues if you write for the real Apple AppStore; so you may have to make a decision to either play in APPLE’s AppStore under their T&C - or play in some one else’s AppStore. You may have problems getting any ‘Footfall’ though & you may find no one wants to play in your AppStore - especially if you can not/will not warrant your apps as malicious code free

Your device - jail break it; run it over; feed it to a great white shark - whatever floats your boat. But don’t claim Apple stops you - or prevents you from downloading any old piece of dodgy code if you leave their rather safer walled garden. You just won’t be allowed to use APPLE utilities/web sites/AppStores to do so. But then that is the point you appear to be missing - Apple OWN the infrastructure; you can play - or not - if you want to. See what happens if you get any piece of equipment modified by no approved ‘fixers’ if you then complain to the OEM that it is bust

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Forget cyber crims, it's time to start worrying about GPS jammers – UK.gov report

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Re: Raynet

Di dah dit Dah di dit Dah dah Di dah dit

Or yes - but being pushed to DMR and other non resilient solutions

The USN have re-introduced morse. But that’s about it; every thing else is just getting more and more whiz-bang. But then if we are reduced to morse & basic crystal receivers; then it probably won’t matter....

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peter_dtm
Flame

Re: Well timestamps at a µs level...

And the US Military reserve the right (and do) to reduce the accuracy of the GPS system; or even deform the signal - they exercise with this from time to time; and use it when their troops are ‘hot’ as they also have decode for the changes made; so your GPS will be 10s/100s of metres out; theirs will still be spot on (>>1 metre)

On time stamps we did of course used to have real time signals on BBC radio stations (better than mS accuracy anywhere in the world you could get a signal) plus Rugby Radio (MSF) which was one of 3 international standard frequency and Time Signal stations (WWV and WWVH being the other two). A bit of decent kit; a knowledge of propagation and uS accuracy was almost achievable.

MSF is of course deceased; some criminals shut it down as they didn’t understand it; or its use; ditto the BBC no longer bother to ensure the pips are correct. Ignorant bastards

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peter_dtm
Mushroom

Re: Didn't we have such a system?

Gee was nicked from the Germans (OBOE) and developed by the DECCA Company.

DECCA was developed & deployed worldwide (oh apart from part of N America; but they used the Canadian chain anyway - because it wasn’t invented there).

Accuracy a couple of metres to a few 10s of metres IFF you truly understood the system. You RENTED DECCA boxes; never sold.

Then there was HiFix DECCA - accurate to better than 1 metre.

Then someone copied DECCA onto a lower base frequency system and thus we got LORAN - if you were lucky you could get Kilometre level accuracy.

Then the idiots who wouldn’t allow DECCA in their country; made an even lower base frequency version called OMEGA (pronounced OH ME GAA) which was so crap; that sat in Portsmouth Polly with all the relevant updates and correction tables (5 or 7 BIG thick manulals plus addendums) and the very latest over the air updates (changed HOURLY) we still managed to get one fix in Scarpa Flo; one fix somewhere near Paris; and one on the Dogger Bank. The OMEGA readings were taken on 3 consecutive minutes. yup; ideal conditions and it was still crap.

Or there was your trusty chronometer (rated against MSF/WWV/WWVH/BBC0 and a sextant with some spherical trig tables and a star/plant/moon or Sun.

eLoran; well it was better than LORAN but no sane navigator relied on it with in 50 nautical miles of the coast.

That reference triggered a few memories - Hyperbolic Radio Navigation Aids; DECCA was amazing; Loran not so much; and OMIGA was/is just ridiculous- basic radio propagation theory suggested it would never work; quite correctly.

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Julian Assange to UK court: Put an end to my unwarranted Ecuadorean couch-surf

peter_dtm

The Venezuelan socialists are already working hard to ensure there’s no more oil, they’l probably succeed long before it gets out of the embassy, so the oil is a moot point.

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User stepped on mouse, complained pedal wasn’t making PC go faster

peter_dtm

Re: Can I just leave this thought with you?

@ Andy A

But the modern incompetent web page slingers-together (who claim to be web page designers) have never bothered themselves to set up tabs in the page, so when you tab you go to some pseudo random field, NEVER the next logical field.

Of course, this is just one of the many indicators of their total inability to design anything, or their testers to comprehend any one else’s expectations

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peter_dtm

Re: Reminds me of a story

@boltar

So, explain the utube video(s) showing a clueless youngster totally failing to use a rotary dial phone.

By your apparent judgemental standards, it just proves how thick youngsters are, totally incapable of using the most basic tech in existence

Wonder how you’d manage a Waldo for instance ?

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peter_dtm

Re: Reminds me of a story

@David Nash

actually you "tap'' of “Press” or “Long Press” or maybe “Force Touch” - another incorrect instruction to the user

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Biker nerfed by robo Chevy in San Francisco now lobs sueball at GM

peter_dtm

Re: I think the cyclist is at fault#2

If Bikers would only think - IF you can not see the drivers eyes in his mirror then he probably can not see you - get out of his blind spot

And if he is a dick & hasn’t adjusted his mirrors so you can’t find that sweet spot; then you know he never uses his mirror anyway - so now you know & can take suitable avoiding action.

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peter_dtm
WTF?

Re: I think the cyclist is at fault.

Especially when you watch cars ahead manoeuvring to ‘close the gate’ - sometimes quite late & aggressively; so that the poor sod on the bike suddenly as nowhere to go..

On the other hand; why are there no ‘Bikers THINK Car’ (maybe the ‘Car’ is an overstatement). Don’t bloody well hide in my blind spot(s) - or tail gate me; etc etc - I suspect that the car drivers who ‘close the gate’ are just pee’d off with some of the more stupid bikers

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peter_dtm
Stop

Re: @kain preacher

In South Africa; if you didn’t move out of the way; you used to get done for ‘Depriving the State of Income’ and get hit for at least DOUBLE the speeding fine they thought they would have got if you hadn’t slowed the other car up !

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Everything running smoothly at the plant? *Whips out mobile phone* Wait. Nooo...

peter_dtm

Re: Industrial automation tends to be conservative --

Ah yes

DCS - life expectancy 15 to 20 YEARS

Yes; that is YEARS - not days or months.

Which is why there are plants still running on NT4

If IT can not provide sufficient stability to allow factories to have proper investment in decent kit you will get what we have now.

It should be trivial to maintain support for older kit; even mechanics can manage this with pre microprocessor controlled unrepairable cars; and most civil servants seem to survive doing things the same way as their great grandfathers did (badly; inefficiently; and with as much disruption to the tax payer as possible :-) )

So when you are spending a couple of million quid to build your infrastructure (factory) then if you don’t want the social justice idiots whinging about ‘excess’ profits; then you need to be able to write that investment off over a decently long period.

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Mushroom

Re: Industrial automation tends to be conservative --

And this is not helped by the IT wallahs pontificating from absolute ignorance about what Industrial Automation and Process Control systems actually do; and the constraints under which they operate.

It would have been so nice if the IT crowd did not run a mile every time Automation and Process people ask for help; or the odd ones who do respond seem to think they are playing with some trivial office network not a Critical Control Network.

Example - the insistence that it is more important to safeguard the office network than the Critical Control Network just for starters. Most factories/refineries/power stations/warehouses/ports etc can actually survive loss of office computer function and inter connectivity for several hours if not days or weeks. NO factory can afford to sit idle because the Critical Control Network is compromised and not working. If the factory is idle then there is no need for the IT department or any of their fancy toys.

Yet that is what I see in company after company; site after site.

This is the reality - no control system : no anything else; and yet we are lucky to get cast off rubbish with snide comments and pointless lectures.

Here is another reality - most Process Control and Automation engineers never wanted to be Network Engineers; hate having to be Windows Engineers and are fed up with the refusal by the IT crowd to try and understand what the issues are. So what do the IT crowd do ? Refuse to understand even the basics; treat the engineers like shit because they know little about IT especially what should be an obscure discipline called Network Security - whose proponents can not even manage to keep wannacry out of the world. Whose sheer inability to communicate with the real world means the IoT is a nasty horrible security nightmare. Who still haven’t done jack about securing household ADSL boxes SAFE OUT OF THE BOX. And of course know even less about Control systems than Process and Automation engineers know about general IT theory and practice.

So before the lot of you start moaning about the state of SCADA and DCS systems (and how many of you even know the difference; never mind what they do) I would suggest you look to your own house and start asking the Process and Automation engineers how you can HELP instead of running away whilst making snide comments.

As usual; the comments in this thread just reveal the IT sector’s total ignorance of what should be allied disciplines (yes Mr IT person; Process Control and Automation are two differnet things). </rant>

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Report: Women make up just 17% of IT workforce, paid 15% less than men

peter_dtm

SUMS UP MOST OF THIS BS

www.gocomics.com/peanuts/2017/12/03

IF YOU DON’T APPLY....

You don’t get the job

You can’t apply I if you don’t do the training......

You don’t get to do the training if you don’t do the work

Schools continue to drive kids away from the ‘hard’ subjects (only hard because they have absolute answers and do not rely upon teachers’ feelings to make a guess the right answer). Girls seem to be more likely to NOT do STEMS. This seems to be incalculated at primary school; where the vast majority of teachers are women

But there I go again;using white male logic; something that is inherently nasty and anti-women; deigned to deliberately disadvantage non males. Some strange concept of cause and effect. How noisome and sexist of me to bring such chauvinistic reasoning to the discussion

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10 years of the Kindle and the curious incident of a dog in the day-time

peter_dtm

Tried e-readers when they cam e out and was not impressed - complete Luddite mode from the Publishing mafia; no attempt to use technology to improve the product and slashing the price while improving margins massively !

Once I found Baen.com for sci-fi needs and BookBub for an endless supply (frequently resulting in purchase of other books by the same author; see also Baen.com regarding his free library) I then used MegaReader on my ithings- but have recently gone completely native & imported ALL my Baen.com purchases to iBooks.

Night reading - black paper; white text auto dimmed; so can read peacefully all night if the mood (or sleeplessness) takes me; & swmbo doesn’t moan & groan about the light being on.

No more hunting for books around the house bookcases/piles/loft (only to realize it’s at my sister’s place)

No more forgetting to pack current book(s) when off on a job/jolly

No more hunting for where I got to (don’t you DARE dog ear ny books) - because the bookmark dropped out/dust cover slipped (frequent occurrence in hotels).

Baen.com publishes in all formats; and you can download as many times in as many formats as you want. Any publisher/retailer not offering that service is only licensing you the ability to read and the book can never be yours.... Hmmm; don’t know about iBook & if you can export an iBook book.... I suspect Calibre will have the answer for that; but haven’t used it since i gave up on bespoke ebook readers.

Being really shortsighted; the iPhone is an incredible reader ! Don’t need my glasses/contact lens late at night..... and the iPad is great for when I have got my ‘eyes’ in/on (and iBooks synch as you would expect; I assume all ebook readers do nowadays ?)

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Re: Glad I am not the only one

Like we used to do in London in the 70s ? It took a while to learn not to do that in Manchester (may have been something to do with the endless chucking down of rain affecting brain cells and visibility)

I really hate those who engage brain only after the lights have changed; then their brain has to engage a forward gear; release handbrake; count to 10 in ancient Babylonian before finally moving off at 0.1 inch per sec squared.

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Vodafone, EE and Three overcharging customers after contracts expire

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Black Helicopters

Re: % APR?

I don’t understand why this is not fraud.

They entered into a time limited agreement with you. And failed to stop it; knowingly.

Shirley that is fraud ?

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Neglected Pure Connect speaker app silenced in iOS 11's war on 32-bit

peter_dtm

Re: Twats.

Pure are the Rayners of the audio world ?

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I love disruptive computer jargon. It's so very William Burroughs

peter_dtm

North North Americans surely

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Google and its terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week in full

peter_dtm

Re: Now you see

He also failed to read the IMTERNAL memo as well; as if he had done he would have noticed the table about right wing behaviour as well. Unbalanced reporting by the reg does not help anyone. The man went out of his way to balance the memo sp as to be politically neutral and referenced Avery single paper he used to determine his stance. Not liking the conclusion of a peer reviewed paper does not make it extreme or stupid - ask any climate scientist

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UK to block Kodi pirates in real-time: Saturday kick-off

peter_dtm

Re: I discern a few more things from this.

Round the start of paid subscription TV in South Africa MNet sold sports packages - Soccer, Rugby, Cricket - that is you paid to watch a sport not a naff channel pumping feetsball (thanks !) or cretinball regardless of the fact that I ONLY want cricket and rugby (and sailing but who the hell shows that). MNet did rather well with that outrageous concept !

I refuse to pay for cretinactorball - it is over priced cheating and you'd have to go to Hollywood to see worse acting.

I want a box that allows me to pay for services from companies NETT of their sponsorship tax fiddles. Why the hell does my car insurance premium; or bank charges; or broadband costs provide money to crap I have no interest in ?

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Thought your data was safe outside America after the Microsoft ruling? Think again

peter_dtm

@Mephistro

don't forget the converse

US also considers its citizens to be under USA jurisdiction regardless where they are in the world; and based on apparently being a US citizen because one of your parents were; even if you never took up the right to claim US nationality - at least theat is waht the US taxman appears to be able to enforce

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God save the Queen... from Donald Trump. So say 1 million Britons

peter_dtm
Alert

Re: Still climbing

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=171928

http://petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=178844

one of these has a smoother distribution than the other.

One is for the visit ; the other is against

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peter_dtm

@ Dr Mouse

quote

It was calling for all Muslim countries to change, while ignoring the vast swathes of America where being openly gay will get you "cast out" of the community and potentially attacked. A great many fundamental religious types think being gay is a sin, and sins should be illegal.

/quote

Seriously ? you are comparing a community breach of the federal law/state law with the ACTUAL Sharia Law in those states ? It is not an offence of any sort to throw a gay off a building; stone a woman to death; kill all converts from Islam - it is the LAW that these things be done.

In one instance a community chooses to not observe the law of the land and express its dislike of behaviour it disagrees with by non lethal (yes yes there is the odd nutcase - but it is still against the law) methods

In the other instance the community is obeying the law by killing people - and those who object frequently die as well. No nutcases required.

The Koran is very clear on the following

Law comes from the Koran

Government comes from the Koran (and democracy is not an acceptable form of government)

The punishment for apostasy

The punishment for homosexuality (not just the practice of homosexual sex either)

The punishment for women guilty of adultery (which can include being raped being seen as an act of adultery)

I suspect you need to revisit the relative differences in these cultures; they are non-trivial.

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peter_dtm

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/

counter petition here

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844/

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peter_dtm
Pirate

@ac

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I really don't see what this has to do with Trump -who is basically torturing innocent travellers based on their birthplace and/or religion.

/quote

TORTURING - you must be out of your mind - their entry to the USA is DELAYED by up to 60 days while the US Immigration system is reviewed. That is torture - my god you must be the most pathetic snowflake out there if you think that is torture (a dictionary (book full of the meanings of words) may come in handy; there are plenty on line too)

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peter_dtm
Pirate

@adair

but it was predicated on a non elected 2nd chamber to bring some thing a bit more - um make that considerably less unpleasant than the vote catching swamp that is democracy in action

(though that is the least worst option compared to everything else - especially perhaps those having elected heads of state)

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peter_dtm
Pirate

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

yup

sure does

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/178844

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Doomsday Clock moves to 150 seconds before midnight. Thanks, Trump

peter_dtm

and all the people in fear of Trump can go to Venezuela ?

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@ P.Lee

that's the way the EU does business (see for instance the Ukraine; reaction to any Referendum that goes against them; Brexit)

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