Re: am I the only one wondering....
Linus gave all Gmail users a favour, simple as that.
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I agree with your comment. And yes "What the hell is the pocket thing?". I use Linux since 97 or 98, not sure. In the beginning there wasn't that much but the shell and KDE, Gnome and I spent time on linuxconf and stuff like that. I quite liked that period. To day it just works.
Changes for for what the hell, I do agree there too. But as a programmer I also know that quite often when you delivered a new version containing mostly bug fixes, stuff related to speed, security, memory usage and all the important stuff. Then, invoice in your hand, please sign here Mr Boss. This new version has less shit in it than the previous shit you paid for. That doesn't sound too good, does it. Those bosses newer touch "bread and butter" systems, so you have to do some makeup to make it look new. Those bosses will then ask the girls if it's OK, and they will say, yes it's new (and consequently good).
Car manufacturers do exactly the same thing, beneath the paint there could be something worth it but it has to look new too, and that is really all that matters.
I knew a bunch of guys who were experts in MB makeup. Customers brought their 4 to 5 years old cars and with some welding and new headlights and stuff like that those customers proudly farting parked their "new" MB cars on the street. And along that street, all those now suddenly unhappy wives would turn to their soon unhappy husbands and say, "look that prat has a new car, what about us. Then all those unhappy men would find some excuse to get very drunk with their unhappy neighbours in the nearest pub. Stop it now Lars, or you will start writing about tits.
A firefox user, tried everything also Opera, how are they doing to day and why are they mentioned so seldom. Opere mini was a damned good product too.
But then there is this question, should we trust more in a declining power than in one confident about the future. I would trust Ericsson and Nokia more, but then again there is this geographical position of my arse in this world. When Tricy Dick went to China he told his cowboys not to try to fool them, as they are more intelligent than we are, anyway. Did he have a point or did he not. On vacation with my icon.
I live by the Baltic Sea, It's polluted, I remmber what I could see as a kid and now I cannot. Just a fact. boffins agree, the shit you find in the fish is just a fact. Nobody denies anything about the damn simple fact that the Baltic is polluted. Efforts, are slow, perhas too slow, but it would be hard to find anybody who would claim adding to the pollution is the way to go. How surprising is that.
Why do we give idiots like Bill O'Reilly, a guy who doesn't know why the tide comes in and out, this handle to argue about man made or not.
Is polluting the air a good thing or not, I would think very few people would dissagree, it just cannot be a good thing. Why do we force idiots to think of ice bears and complicated stuff. If we cannot deal with idiots we have become idiots too.
And there are good reasons to point out that Nokia had problems before Elop. And as Trevor points out he came, as far as we can understand, to Nokia to get the ship on course again.
But what happened next, Elop opened his mouth twice. Great mistake. Then he started to dump out the window everything that could have kept Nokia floating during the transition.
Like a car dealer who pushes all cars out the back door forgetting perhaps a few lying around. And when a customer steps in and asks about those cars he will say - "Oh that is rubbish, come again in a year or two, there will be a long queue of people then eagerly waiting to bye our new cars".
Then there was the N92, quite a good phone I was told. But that phone was marketed only in a very limited market. Finland, Norway and perhaps Sweden and Denmark not sure. What kind of CEO refuses to sell a good product, was that Elop's decision or was Microsoft behind it.
Then there was the fact that he moved to Nokia Finland but left his family in Canada and that seemed to indicate he had no long time plans with Nokia. His CV is all about short stints too.
The problem "conspiracy people" have with this is that they refuse to believe it was all about stupidity and nothing else. A bit like with the assassination o JFK, some refuse to believe it was all about one lonely guy (I doubt it too). The book written about all this doesn't claim any conspiracy but calls him a "tomppeli/tollo/tompelo" which isn't a mean word, a guy who stumbles around walking into walls and similar, mostly slightly obese too. There is another ghost in this "saga" and that is Ballmer. Ballmer went to Finland several times to meet with Ollila the CEO then to persuade Nokia to build WinPhones. It was no thanks each time. Did Ballmer become obsessed with wanting to bye or destroy Nokia's phone division. Who knows, I don't.
All the same, Elop is in my books a huge flop in the history of modern industry.
Trevor's article is a nice one about the peron and I can appreciate that, while my comment is not, as I can find no reason to write one when it comes to Elop's stint at Nokia.
Last time I heard him speak was when he was asked why he deserved all those extra millions when fucking off of Nokia. Divorcing can be very expensive was his answer, more meh meh.
The only positive thing about that time that comes to my mind was the fact that Nokia helped people who lost their jobs to find new ones and assisted people in creating startup's like Jolla. If Elop had any part of that I don't know.
Nokia has always been more than just the cellphone division, and still is.
I believe people working for big firms elsewhere in the world should ask to be treated the same way.
Trevor mentions the sell to Microsoft as a positive thing, still there where people within Nokia who claim Google made an offer too but that offer was pushed under the rug for some reason.
Enough about history, I never worked for Nokia but I knew lots of them since 1969.
If a hospital board of doctors employs a plumber as a heart surgeon then they are crazy but should one not also question the plumber.
When the state takes care of the infrastucture, like roads and bridges and similar, they know that a large part of that money will return in the form of tax and VAT and from the profit those private companies involved will make not to mention that the anount of unemployment fees might decrease. I cannot see any reason why any of that could be privatised.
Rail tracks are probably similar. There is however a interesting point in this article "But if the state is that of another country, then this problem rather goes away.".
What annoyes me here is that there is not even a shy, very shy, sort of very shy thought that perhaps there could perhaps be some guys is that foreign country who are, well, just better at doing the job. Did Worstall ever think about such a damned possibility or did he, but decided not to be unkind towards his Brittish readers. (Downvotes and such).
Or did he just pick the first new buzzword available "foreign", an other country, a new solution.
Well, I don't know but I would have a lot more respect for "economists" if for once they would mention words like education.
It does not matter if something is private or not, run by idiots it will fail either way.
The thing that worries me much to day is that we seem to live in an illusion that when the country we live in is "educated" then our kids will inherit it in some automatic way. Education is like washing dishes, as soon as you stop for a while it's a complete mess. Forget it for a generaion and the next generation of kids will have uneducated teachers and then it will only get worse. And yes, I am looking at you Amercans "too".
Before any Amercan tells me - "but Lars we have more Nobels than anybody else and we have some of the best universities too". Which is very true, but the damned thing is that education for just the few has never worked and never will.
The damned thing is that education in the capitalist world is in decline. Not so in the third world.
In Sweden the word "education for profit" has become a bad word, perhaps not without good reasons.
Privatisation has risks too.
As for" The Purpose of Government, slightly leaning on JFK ... don't ask the governmen... I would add, "just educate all those fucking kids regardles of parents and what ever then let us build this fucking society the way we want it to be".
What ever we have to day, in this world, is the sum of education and lack of it, it has allways been like that and will allways remain that way.
The day an economist starts his tirade witth the word education I will have more respect for him.
@ 1980s_coder
Those phones (long ago) with the disk you turned with your finger where different in the Anglo-American world and Europe. The shortest distance to turn the disk was 9 in the Anglo-American world and 0 in Europe. Fast and easy to find even in the dark. Or was it the oppiset way, damn if I can remember. The reason for silly differences like these I think is in inflated egos.
The US date format is dumb as hell, at least for a programmer who has to sort dates. Some dumb programming tasks come to my mind around the year 00 with systems that had only two digits for the year.
I have no answers to that but while Nokia is now back to networks and phones are such a great part of that why should they not keep those guys educated, at work, happy and up to date in that respect. Nokia's problems where never a engineering problem, the rot hit the head of the company.
"aca Land Rover, of the past"". Forgive me for saying it but sometimes it seems to me that there is nothing like the past in the English soul. So I give you something from the past, French as this article is about a French car, Jay Leno because he is able to speak about cars as cars without fucking himself up with dumb nationalistic shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzW_ERSgFRY
I think he had something else too. So now look, boys are boys and it doesn't get any better with age. There we have a guy a long way from home among all those good locking women thinking about how to make his point for the more important part of his trip. Rather bald, close to eighty years old but alone for the night and with a point he makes his call. I fall i love and they all fall in love with me. Not such a bad start, I have heard worse. Give him a break, boys are boys and that damned point won't leave us alone.
Have mercy.
@ Lost all faith...
I am not taking part in the "should MS use Linux or not" but I would like to point out that you don't have to give Linux away for free at all. You can charge as much as you want, the free is not free as in beer. I think you know that very well. As I recall Linus suggested about 15 years ago that Microsoft could sell Windows with a Linux kernel. I don't think they will but they could and who knows, perhaps they should, but that is all up to them.
That would not become a Linux desktop but Windows with a Linux kernel.
@ Lost all faith...Please don't, but you are the first to "swallow hook, line, and sinker" regarding that one sentence. Stuff was built for the love of God and the Farao. Still I have a slight feeling it might have been more about the fear of God, the priests and the Farao.
In the Nordic countries the kings decided the peasants had to build roads for free for the love of the king.
So one can assume they went to work happily singing, praising God and the king. One of those roads went from Stockholm to Saint Petersburg in Russia. It's called the Kings road for some odd reason, However those ungrateful bastards where able to write and it turned out it was all a great pain in the arse, surprise, surprise.
Then there are those who look at all those splendid building, steam engines and such and "sort of" claim we can't build stuff like that any more. In reality there is nothing in the past we could not build to day.
Every Mall every Mac Donald could be built like Taj Mahal, every train station like the Buckingham Palace. We could build much bigger pyramids and steam engines a longer wall than the wall of China, (insert country to surround here).
But we don't and that is because nobody is prepared to pay for that amount of labour.
It's very nice that things from the past are restored and kept for us to enjoy.
Every time there is a vid about London it starts with the glass dick in the sky. What would Joseph Bazalgette or Isambard Brunel think about that building, we don't know but would it not be possible that they might have gone something like - "that's fantastic, I want to build something even bigger".
But the thing is. they wouldn't be able to build it then. The type of steel and glass did not exist in those days, just to mention two problems.
We use modern materials and methods, concrete, steel and glass. Some of it looks like shit but take the Sidney Opera it's built with modern materials and looks OK to me.
As for the "looting" hook, I actually thought it was one of the many Norse words like Law the jury system and things like that but it seems to be much older. Very very old.
Before cotinuing, I belive my kids don't have to answear for my sins, poor kids, I think they belive it too, if you get my drift.
One story that comes to my mind is about a Brittish woman who went to Africa to study Chimpanzees, our closest living relatives. To her mild horror those lovely chimps looted foreign families and ate their babies. I used to tell hardcore vegetarians that perhaps our history tells us we might actually need some meat once in a while. But I gave up, there was all that cabbage thrown at me. Looting is old indeed.
As for the comment "I'm also unsure that at the period in question Britain was living on "looted wealth". The height of the Empire was some way in the future."
Sure, I am no expert on that and I don't have a clue about how much foreign aid was sent to India after they had their referendum and decided to join the Empire.
Ah shut up Lars, and no more fishing for some time.
Please Flatpackhamster, you have to remember that workers where paid hardly nothing in those days and Britain was living on looted welth. There is another thing I find rather amusing with articles like these.
Soon as guy of inportance is English that will be mentioned but for some odd reason, take Brunel, for instance, not a word about the fact he was French, went to the USA and then came to England.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/04/geeks_guide_brunel_museum/
Joseph Bazalgette was the grandson of a French Protestant immigrant.
No reason to commit suicide, but when we look at all those fantastic things like pyramids and huge chatedrals lets not forget that most of it was built by "slave" labor.
" having absorbed the Siemens and Motorola sub divisions" I think you ment Siemens and Alcatel-Lucent.
There are Ericsson (since the beginning of time), Nokia networks and the new kid in town, Huawei, and in that order. Nokia made modems long before cell phones existed. And I believe it's better with three than with one or two.
Volvo, yes why not, had two good ones, but Volvo is owned by the Chinese now. They wated to join Reault but the Swedish owners did not see the sign on the wall, and after more dump decisions they had to sell out to the Chinese. To make a long and dumb journey short.
He tries to make cheep money and came to the US as he knows there are more gullible people in the US than anywhere else in the English speaking part of the world. And it's all taxfree. Start taxing all that shit Americans. When the rest of the world stopped, more or less, to create new gods and religions the Americans just continued. The fuckwit is the American education system.
And among the Ameican politicans there are more fuckwit religious twats than anywhere else in the western world.
@Phil Lord
Yes, thanks for mentioning the "anything it touches", it's one of the more "successful" FUDs from Microsoft's "Get the Facts" era. And of course we have a communist comment by now. A word that seems to work so well in the USA for reasons I don't get. Not any un-american comments yet.
Funny stuff really, should we not call Apple things like that as they produce most of their ithings in communist countries in a very un-american way.
To be more serious lots of companies who use a Linux kernel do their "secret" stuff in "user space". If you modifie the "kernel space" then stick to the rules regarding the kernel.
@thames
Here is that origial Linux birth sertificate, long format (Finnish standard).
"1991-08-25
Hello everybody out there using minix -
I'm doing a (free) operating system (just a hobby, won't be big and
professional like gnu) for 386(486) AT clones. This has been brewing
since april, and is starting to get ready. I'd like any feedback on
things people like/dislike in minix, as my OS resembles it somewhat
(same physical layout of the file-system (due to practical reasons)
among other things).
I've currently ported bash(1.08) and gcc(1.40), and things seem to work.
This implies that I'll get something practical within a few months, and
I'd like to know what features most people would want. Any suggestions
are welcome, but I won't promise I'll implement them :-)
Linus (torv...@kruuna.helsinki.fi)
PS. Yes - it's free of any minix code, and it has a multi-threaded fs.
It is NOT protable (uses 386 task switching etc), and it probably never
will support anything other than AT-harddisks, as that's all I have :-(. "
And there is more here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/comp.os.minix/4995SivOl9o/GwqLJlPSlCEJ
As for micro-kernels, start your engines, boys and girls, some day you might have a super computer running a micro-kernel.
It's up to you if you use GPL2 or GPL3 or whatever license. Linux is GPL2.
Years ago Linus wrote something like this - it's amazing how many words are needed just to express such a simple thing as - "use this code but if you distribute it tell the version number and if you change the code then show the changes (and let us see if we could use them).
Still more surprising is how much intentional shit and FUD there is regarding the GPL.
Perhaps even more surprising is the amount of companies and people involved in FOSS.
As for Linux on the desktop. Jobs knew very well that he had to build his own shops to compete with Windows. Computer shops gain nothing from selling Linux desktops. It's much easier with Windows, people expect problems (acts of God), reboot, format the damned thing, by a new sound card, anything goes.
If you want Linux on the desktop just install it, it's very easy to day, it was more "fun" years ago.
"will the Cuban government allow free software in?".
I wonder where you got that from?. As far as I remember Cuban hospitals started to use Linux about 15 years ago. I am more concerned about Cuba when they let Microsoft in.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2409808/microsoft-bullied-mps-over-government-switch-to-open-source-standards
Will the USA transform (again) Cuba into a brothel run by gangsters. Look out Cubans.
As for Stallman I have a slight feeling that Darren Pauli is not a great admirer of him as I think it would be hard to find anything more appalling a pic or video to represent him.
He deserves credit for things he did and has worked for, GPL, GNU and things like that, no reason to downplay his part.
It's an other thing that he's probably a bit bitter and perhaps the "looks" are not quite whatever.
But he is often right all the same.
The TTIP is worse than people understand. Companies have always been able to take governments to court but now the Americans want the court to be private, (run by very expensive lawyers) and in the USA.
A government that accepts TTIP hands it's laws and rights to a private court to do what ever money decides.
"They" will also tell you TTIP is old and normal in every trade agreement. But the background is old trade agreements made with "rough" third world countries where companies felt the legal system was non existing.
Now when this is demanded between the EU and the USA one has to assume the EU is considered a rough country (the way Sarah Palin considers Africa a country) or the USA considers itself a rough country, then again there are all those lawyers and perhaps some good businessmen who want to kill all stupid regulations in the EU or/and get some extra money for the effort. Oh, did I forget the money lobby.
"because it cannot meet (or be made to meet) new car emission rules from the European Council that kick in in 2020." (Five years from now!!!). What about emission rules in the USA in 2020.
Blame the EU, just kidding but then again "Remarkably, the vehicles are still put together largely by hand".
How remarkable you lost that industry.
As I remember Britain was the last country in Western Europe to stop using arsenic in paint because some lad had a mountain of it. Is something similar going on here.
I agree very much, there is however a artificial delay when you accelerate on most diesel cars, I suppose it adds something to the economy and I would feel happier without it. Funny how people who have never driven a good 2L turbodiesel have an opinion about it. A bit like kids who think they can beat a good automatic with a stick at the lights.
Ref. the Wiki link. There seems to be good reasons to mention the definition of "jocular" for some of you.
adjective: jocular
fond of or characterized by joking; humorous or playful.
"she sounded in a jocular mood"
synonyms: humorous, funny, witty, comic, comical, amusing, chucklesome, droll, entertaining, diverting, joking, jesting, hilarious, facetious, tongue-in-cheek;
You can fix fungus in a toenail by removing the legg but isn't that a rather sad way to do it. We can fine and imprisson all "uneducated" people but would it not be better to increase the education. Extremists in religion, who is the first to throw the stone. I cannot remember any religion without them, Budism perhaps, not an expert, I gave up religion a long time ago. Con business.
Have we forgotten that only education is what make us different to apes. Are we trying to prevent the ship from sinking by deciding water is against the law.
Have we started to run our society on a quarterly basis. What the hell are we up to.