Re: Inadequate approach to data adequacy
"The sooner we ditch that travesty the better."
Why haven't you done it then with all the time you have had.
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@Danny 2
Hello, we are apparently the only two left on this thread about "SAP".
The Wiki link you provided has awfully old data, like . "Finland was 100% dependent on a single supplier in gas, namely Russia" but that is regarding 2010.
If you look at 2020 stats here you find this
Natural Gas Imports 10805.00 Terajoule
Natural Gas Imports from Russia 2909.00 Terajoule
https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/imports-by-country
But it's inevitable that ending a trade relation will cost something for everyone who has any trade.
Anyway the Finnish government has made it's decision to end Russian imports of energy.
As for district heating you find it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating#Finland
My cousin married a nice lady from Scotland and when I had a chance I went to see her parents in Dundee in spring, long ago. Nice people, nothing to complain about in Scotland.
NATO has been a topic in Finland since it was founded.
I let a former Finnish PM explain that here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdnOm0HvLJc
All the best to you and nice of you to take care of orphans from Ukraine.
Lars
@Danny 2
First of all I studied in England and I, and my wife, have never been so cold in winter ever.
For us It was the single glass windows, some odd night heating, and not enough warm water for a single bathtube.
Warming homes with gas was skipped in the 50s in Finland.
I have an old house and oil is needed for warm water and heating (with warm water). My cottage in the archipelago is heated with electricity and the occasional wood stove. All my neighbours have similar systems some in addition with sunpower and air source heat pumps.
One neighbour got rid of his oil burning and has air source heat pumps and of course electricity.
One neighbour has a 90m deep hole in the granit and gets all the heat he needs that way.
Towns are maily heated by district heating, every second Finn live in a house/flat heated like that.
Then there is the question of howto heat all that water, and there is of course gas and oil and some peat and even trash.
And never stuff like this:
https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/microsoft_datacenter_finland/
The use of natural gas for energy in Finland is less than 6%. Nuclear +40%. Renewable +30%.
Then for that explanation you seem to need.
Think Lipton, no tea was grown in England, so what you do is to buy in bulk and then sell the refined products.
One company good at that is Neste.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neste
"It will be interesting to see how many Western businesses will dip a toe back into Russian waters once all this is over. ".
Each and everyone without any doubt if there is business to do, however, being dependent on Russia is a totally different matter and I think responsibility regarding that should lie with governments not companies alone.
I still think a great majority of Russians would like Russia to develop into a decent prosperous democracy, but I am also well aware of the Finnish experience with Russia during hundreds of years and the old saying - " a Russian is a Russian even if you fry him in butter".
Some knowledge of fried fish is needed to understand that.
Regarding the ridiculous finger pointing about Russian energy lets not forget that had it been the cheapest choice for say Britain then it would be used without any doubt.
"Finland discussing whether they join NATO, they get 90% of their gas from Russia. ".
Oil import will end this summer and luckily Finland is next only to France in the percentage of electricity from nuclear power they get.
PS. not that poor, Finns earn more per capita than poor Britain.
PPS. we all lose something due to the war, Finland for instance is a oil exporting country having no oil of its own. How that works you will for sure work out.
About the waste water heat at Olkiluoto in Finland.
"The waste heat, an output common to all thermal power plants, which heats the cooling water (at 13 °C) is utilized for small-scale agriculture before being pumped back to the sea. The power plant hosts the northernmost vineyard in the world, a 0.1 ha experimental plot that yields 850 kg Zilga grapes annually.[57] Another use is a pond for growing crabs, whitefish and sturgeon for caviar.[58]".
@Potemkine!
There are those here who don't know that the "swastika" was adopted by the Finnish air force long before the Nazi adopted it and that it came from Sweden, painted on a plane as a gift from Eric von Rosen in 1918.
It was used by the Vikings as a good luck charm, one has to assume, and found all around the world too.
It's use by the air force ended after the war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Air_Force
"the Finns were colonised first by the Swedes and later by the Russians after the 1809 war.".
That is rather silly, then again trying to tell the history of one country in one sentence is not possible.
The "colonisation" by the Swedes happened when there was no Finland and hardly no Sweden either.
It was more about Christianity moving north and north east in Europe.
Sweden had some 40 wars with both Norway and Denmark and a few with Russia but none with Finland.
Nor was the Russian much of an colonisation either in 1809.
Finland become Finland in 1809 with, for the first time, borders both with Sweden and Russia and a government.
But the Russians did loot the country much earlier, for instance, as described here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjFglWuwn6g&t=119s
Greater Wrath
When you behave like you do, what do you expect your neighbours to do.
The Finnish armed forces are more NATO "ready" than some NATO members and they take part in NATO exercises, something that has annoyed Putin for years.
Last poll was 62% for and 16% against NATO.
It has traditionally been about fifty/fifty between yes and don't know and no.
I think both Finland and Sweden should just join now as it's too late to postpone it, even if Putin should show some sanity eventually.
I also think we have to accept that there was a time when we in western Europe hoped and expected Russia to grow and move towards a democracy.
A quiet rant about unions.
What would have become of Europe without trade unions, what would have become of the Nordic countries without them, and what could have become of Britain if it was a "many party system" and not that ridiculous outdated two party system where anything trade union is associated with politics and the left.
Funny the name too, in the USA it's a labor union and of course it has to be something else in Britain, labour would not cut it, understandably.
It should be obvious for anybody that if pilots or seamen or firefighters or Postal workers or sheep farmers or carrot growers or ..... Then that is about people who have come together to achieve common goals, such as protecting the integrity of their trade, improving safety standards, and attaining better wages, benefits (such as vacation, health care, and retirement), and working conditions through the increased bargaining power wielded by solidarity among members and other unions.
Amazing how often in the anglosphere this is associated with socialism and communism and what not, and it's even funnier when you realize that trade unions in those systems had power only against its own members. A type of trade union Bezos might dream of, should he be the one he seems to be.
And of course the "1970's in the UK" had to come up, but I would claim none of that would have become that "militant" with a coalition government of several parties and quite frankly the dear old lady was quite militant herself.
I had to copy this by a Brit, as I agree, although point 3 is a bit beyond me. (as a programmer you learn the value of copy/paste).
I'd say there are three elements of England's unusually entrenched exceptionalism:
1) failure to reform our electoral system in line with nearly every other advanced democracy:
2) failure to modernise practices and procedures in Westminster that basically date back to the 19th Century &
3) the over-prominence in the English psyche of the significance and status of monarchy.
It seems to me, and it's your own falt, both in the USA and Britain, that a two party system with a one party government will find it hard to achieve what many European countries have managed in accepting trade unions as part of the system. And that is simply because it's competition for a one party government unable to cooperate unless forced to.
Quoting the Wikipedia on the Nordic model:
"support for a universalist welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility, a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labour and employers negotiate wages, labour market policy is mediated by the government,[9] and a commitment to private ownership within a market-based mixed economy,".
I very much doubt we in all the Nordic countries would earn more per capita than the British without having accepted and understood the value of trade unions.
Sometimes listening to both Americans and Brits you get this feeling that they genuinely believe half, not my half, but that other half, have plans to destroy the whole country.
I think I know what deficiency of the system has created that illusion.
What took place at Amazon is a step in the right direction.
@bombastic bob
I think we have to accept the simple fact that China has understood the value of education for a very long time.
I doubt there are many universities in the world without Chinese students.
When I studied Computer Science in England long ago, of course there was one bright Chinese guy too.
This rant by Michio Kaku from almost 20 years ago tells it well, although I dislike his use of the word "genius".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrE9z1JFT1Y
I think we in the west should be deeply concerned with our educational systems.
Education for profit is not a good solution.
Something even the Soviets understood not giving up on STEM in education.
Going on about stealing and copying solves no problems, and there is always that feeling of "sour grapes" with it.
@Mike 137
Reassuring perhaps, but lets not forget the good guys, the Russians, took Berlin all the same.
And I am afraid the war about Ukraine is far from over, sadly.
I am not convinced Putin can afford to give up just yet.
There is a big difference between defending one's own home and country to running around in a foreign country with no great enthusiasm for any of it.
The Finn against the Russians in WW2 and why not the Americans in Vietnam prove it well.
A typical result when the big guy has problems is his willingness to go for the big guns and terror bombing.
We should try not look at this as an interesting computer game.
@Wellyboot
"You'll notice he never came remotely close to winning an MPs seat in the UK."
I assume you don't grasp that he won no MPs seat due to a very undemocratic "first past the post" in a two party system while he become a MEP in a very democratic system.
Yes I know it's hard to admit.
"and these languages have not been put out to pasture.".
Hasn't happened to you either one has to assume.
My first reaction was that it must be much older but instead it was quite young like I when we met the first time.
I newer had any greater conflicts with that language or any other as I accepted what the company I worked for used, how else.
@lglethal
Don't fool yourself, when was Britain run by some other party than either the Conservatives or Labour, and don't give me the Lib.dems, when did they run the country alone.
A country should never be run by a government of just one party, those systems are for countries like North Korea and China, and sadly for most English speaking countries due to the English.
A shame, Britain is the only west European country that is still a class society unable to get rid of a outdated ridiculous political system with idiotic undemocratic features like "fist past the post".
Democratic countries are run by coalition governments from several parties, 2/3 of the world.
The American system is slightly better in that both houses have power, and I suppose you cannot buy or inherent a "chair" in that "other house", but all the gerrymandering is there and nothing divides a country like a two party system.
OMG how can you not see it, or perhaps you can, but you cannot admit it.
Shit is shit even if it's one owns shit.
"now the EU considers nuclear green energy ".
Any link to that decision you could provide?.
I think that has not yet been voted on.
I would very much support it, but there is no good reason to play with words.
Nuclear energy doesn't pollute the way coal, oil and gas does and should be treated as other "green" energy forms economically.
Thirteen countries in the EU have nuclear plants. Some are cutting down and some are planning for more.
And Putin has indeed added to the discussion about nuclear energy.
I
"we lost out on at least as much as we gained whilst within the EU".
No, I don't think so. When Britain joined the British economy was behind not only Germany but France and Italy too.
And that changed due to membership of the EU.
Now with brexit we will see Britain falling behind France again.
No country can be good at everything and now Britain is destroying even the stronger parts like London.
It's damned hard to understand how you ended up in this mess. The two party system is no doubt one big reason but I think more or less everything can be explained by this one sentence by Nick Clegg from many years ago.
".. a misplaced sense of superiority, sustained by delusions of grandeur and a tenacious obsession with the last war".
@Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells
Proud about being average is of course something.
But these are some of the numbers and claiming that Britain is on par with Germany and France is simply not true, but you are more on par with the East European countries.
Death per 100K and #deaths
finland 49.3 2719
norway 32.8 1753
denmark 90.7 5280
sweden 173.8 17874
estonia 178.4 2367
france 210.7 141321
germany 151.5 125912
netherlands 128.9 22339
portugal 207.8 21342
spain 215.4 101416
italy 260.4 156997
ireland 134.0 6624
britain 244.6 163454
These numbers change but they will not drop.
Please don't take after Boris and Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/mapping-spread-new-coronavirus/?itid=hp_pandemic