* Posts by Stoneshop

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OpenVMS on x86-64 reaches production status with v9.2

Stoneshop
Boffin

Re: MicroVAX

Most systems that claim to need 3-phase power actually just need several circuits, as their power draw would exceed what the average single circuit can supply. And if you're designing a system's power input and need it to use more than one circuit you may as well expect it to sit in a computer room or a data center, and go 3-phase as that is what data center floor managers prefer. Vastly.

But even if such a system has a bunch of hefty power supplies, sitting on separate phases, what comes out is DC and as long as their inputs can draw what they need it's extremely rare for them to actually care which of the phases they're on.

Fans, if they're hefty squirrel-cage ones like the 11/78x had, may care about getting supplied from a real 3-phase feed, but that can be faked using a properly dimensioned capacitor or a motor speed controller meant to run 3-phase motors on a single-phase feed.

Stoneshop

This is why DEC nearly went under, AIUI, and Compaq saved them.

"Save" is rather charitable. "Plundered" is more like it, as Compaq wanted DEC for its services and got the hardware side to go with it that it didn't know what to do with. Which in turn made Compaq a nice morsel for HP.

Also, the VAX9000 happened late in the 1980s; I was still with DEC FS and got sent to Galway for a month of training. Two years later Alpha was everywhere, along with the 6xxx and 7xxx as the biggest VAXen, and the few 9xxx that had been installed (about a dozen in the whole of NL) were about to be scrapped if they hadn't been already.

Compaq only came along after several years of Bob <spit> Palmer, close to Y2K.

Stoneshop

Re: Public clusters?

Of course, there are cluster filesystems on Linux. These are typically aimed at wider area sharing - so have different tradeoffs - and do not (mostly) include a distributed lock manager (such things also exist separately as well, of course).

There are at least three different clustering models to use with Linux, and you'll have to pay your dues to Ken, Dennis and the ghost of Brian to help choose the right one for your situation.

Stoneshop

Re: I wonder how many people still remember how to use it?

Firstly, you have to realise this was before on-demand printing so even the logistics were impressive. Estimates of product sales determined initial print runs for manuals - and indeed the number of distribution tapes for the software itself. Inventory had to be warehoused. Update pages had to be distributed periodically to relevant customers.

When I started at DEC I was assigned as site engineer for DEC's Nijmegen (JGO) site[0]. Housed in a former Singer[1] plant, about half of it was repair and parts stock, the other half was documentation which was nearly all stock with maybe three or four VAXen running the inventory housekeeping (repair had a far bigger bunch of VAXen plus a few PDPs, but they were basically the network and parts hub for all of Northern Europe). During the years I was there repair got a separate building that was designed around cleanrooms, not cleanrooms sitting in a former and notsoclean warehouse. And I saw the documentation group installing a serious Kodak laser printer so that they could now do on-demand printing of manuals.

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[0] the Philips, now NXP, chip bakery that looks like a DIL package was next door.

[1] Yes, the sewing machine company. They had a division that made papertape-controlled typewriters that could even do bits of arithmetic using a box full of relays and the guts of an actual mechanical calculator with solenoids pushing the buttons. This gave you a bit of business automation, in the 1950s.

Stoneshop

the 11/780, 750 and 730 were all designed by different teams but didn't have the range of price/performance that could really justify three separate manufacturing lines and inventory.

Not when you consider the machines themselves, but if you add their operating environment you can see why a customer would buy an 11/750 or an 11/730 where they could not have justified an 11/78x.

11/78x: needs 3-phase power, drawing 3kW minimum, and is the size of a decent wardrobe[0][1]

11/750: half as high, half as wide, single phase power, you could run it from a wall socket provided you didn't have a toaster or a kettle on that circuit too, and a standard domestic aircon unit could manage the cooling. Storage still needed at least one extra cabinet.

11/730: standard-width 3ft high cab that had room for a disk unit as well and it didn't object to sitting in a corner of an office area (but defensive and offensive anti-cleaner options were never offered). The 11/725 was essentially a repackaged 11/730 explicitly meant to sit next to someone's desk, like the BA23 and BA123 packaged mVAXes appearing a little later.

[0] I know of someone who had an 11/780 in his bedroom, and built his bed on top of it. I suspect he didn't run it when we wanted to sleep.

[1] one time I was asked to gut a decommissioned 11/780 so that it could be turned into a bookcase for the Orange Wall.

Stoneshop
Boffin

Re: Aah, the memories...

Although DECnet was never going to scale beyond a few hundred or a thousand nodes

Um? Within DEC they had a sufficiently high number of nodes that they had to increase the number of hidden areas to accommodate all the systems. DECnet IV addresses consist of a 6 bit area and a 10 bit node number, with the possibility to make area 63 'hidden'. Nodes in that area could not be reached directly from systems in other areas, only through the area router so that you had to use commands like COPY 18.271::63.119::USERS:[WHOEVER]FILE.EXT []DESTINATION.EXT , with 18.271 the hidden area router and 63.119 the hidden node that you needed to get a file from (of course you would actually use names instead of numerical addresses). Similar when going the other way. With a lot of handwaving you can think of it as somewhat like private IPv4 ranges.

But DEC had sites where they needed to have >1023 nodes hidden. And of course you could have multiple areas 63 each behind their own hidden area router, but you would have to go via the hidden area routers if one of the nodes was in the 'other' area 63. Messy. So they tweaked DECnet to allow configuring areas 60 and up (not quite sure there) to be hidden, so that you could connect from 63,xyz to 62.abc without involving those hidden area routers.

This all from memory; it's been over a decade since we phased out DECnet at my current workplace, and we didn't have hidden areas anyway.

Stoneshop

Re: How clustering should be

Clustering started with CI interfaces, stubbornly stiff coax cables (four per system, two in, two out) and Star Couplers. Maximum cable length was 30m/100ft IIRC, so all supported systems (11/750 and up) basically had to be in the same computer room, or maybe ones on both sides of a corridor. LAVC allowed a bit more leeway, but that was primarily meant for workstations as a way to have them being served the storage from the big'uns down in the computer pen.

As various newer/faster interconnects appeared you could also cluster over DSSI, FDDI and SCSI, and for about a decade we had a cluster running over dedicated gbit Ethernet, with five nodes in three DCs 70km apart.

Stoneshop
Facepalm

You want a *what*?

and I regularly get approached on LinkedIn by people looking to recruit an experienced VMS greybeard on the cheap,

Just a few years after Y2K a recruiter called me to ask where he could find a junior VMS operator.. "I am not one, nor do I know of one. You're just not going to find someone today who's started working as a VMS operator recently enough that you could still rate them as junior. I wish you a good day, and good luck if you decide to keep on searching."

Stoneshop

Re: I wonder how many people still remember how to use it?

As an administrator?

I'm one. Although the systems are slated to be phased out, but that should have been over with six years ago already.

The main sticking point is that a lot of the programs that were running on them were written in Pascal, and the pool of competent developers with the right domain knowledge was getting rather dry. So stuff was rewritten in C on Linux, or turned into whatever it is that you feed into WebLogic or JBoss.

Oh well. Less than five years to retirement.

Switch off the mic if it makes you feel better – it'll make no difference

Stoneshop

Re: If you can turn almost anything into a speaker, then I have bad news for you...

Age eight or nine I once plugged a dynamic mic into the earphone socket of a portable radio (hey, both 3.5mm jacks), and was rather surprised that sound came out.

Stoneshop
Coat

Re: Four......

Or rummaging through some undergrowth looking for your balls.

Thinnet cables are no match for director's morning workout

Stoneshop

10b2 aka Thinnet

should not be used to bridge the couple of meters distance between two 10b5 cable ends, even if you have used the proper barrel-to-BNC adapters. It works just enough to convince one that it's OK, until you actually get more than just a little traffic on that network segment. It's even more of a problem if there's an AUI-10b2 converter involved, and one of the cable lengths between the converter's T and the 10b2-10b5 adapter was not even half of the minimum distance between taps on a 10b2 string.

I've also come across 75ohm coax (for video applications) mixed with the proper 50Ohm for 10b2.

Those were all classed as customer errors and thus not covered by their service contracts,

John Deere tractors 'bricked' after Russia steals machinery from Ukraine

Stoneshop
FAIL

Re: If I owned a piece of equipment?

doublelayer is talking about the general case.

Stoneshop

Re: And Ukraine might wish it could brick all Antonov aircraft used by Russia.

16k, against 18k+ for the An2, with the Beech Bonanza and two fighter planes in between

Stoneshop
Black Helicopters

Re: And Ukraine might wish it could brick all Antonov aircraft used by Russia.

Over time Russian jetliners will just brick themselves.

Quite a number of them are leased Airbuses, Boeings, Embraers and Bombardiers, and just expropriating them doesn't mean you can now get the spare parts you need to service them; the parts embargoea stay just the same.

And jets that are insufficiently serviced will stop flying one way or the other.

Stoneshop

Re: DRM and theft prevention

Not that I know of, but if Ukraine thinks it can build or improve them using JD parts they'll probably just do so.

Crafty buggers, they are. Just look at the videos of octocopters dropping antitank grenades meant to be just thrown by hand (for which they 3D-printed tail fins) right on top of tanks and armoured vehicles, and in one case I saw right through the open sunroof of a 4WD.

And even helicopters will look like a tank if you have an ATGM and are Ukrainian enough.

Stoneshop
Black Helicopters

And Ukraine might wish it could brick all Antonov aircraft used by Russia.

That's not likely to bring much relief; most Russian fighter aircraft are Sukhois and MiGs; the Antonovs[0][1] they have are transport aircraft, and those don't appear to be used a lot at the moment.

[0] I've had a flight in an Antonov 2A once. Fun. After some Cessna and Pipers, a number of WW2 fighters and the B24 it's the aircraft with the largest number manufactured as well as having the longest production run.

[1] The BASTARDS destroyed the AN-225, the one six-engined transport jet that has been used in earnest, and which I've seen take off from Münster-Osnabrück airport one day.

Stoneshop

Re: GPS & Automated Vehicles

Or you could take the pay to plant option

Russian bank and credit cards are blocked from making foreign payments.

Stoneshop
Devil

Re: Apologies

D'ye ken Vladimir is a complete dick?

Пу́тин (khuylo) is the word you want to use, even though it doesn't rhyme.

And apropos of nothing, the diminuitive of Vladimir is Volodja, not Vlad as I too often see.

Stoneshop
FAIL

Re: About the only way to "brick" a piece of heavy equipment

I'd hate to be that russian that tried to drive a multi-tonne vehicle back to mama russia

It'll be driven there by way of a flatbed truck.

Stoneshop

Re: They can be completely bricked, sadly

I once did a job where we had to use a fairly large scissor lift, working height 10m/30ft. Movement (including driving[0]) was entirely controlled[1] from a box with a joystick and a couple of switches and indicator lights. Fully electrically wired. It too was GPS tracked, and while you can only drive it at a little over walking pace no-one is going to question a flatbed driver with some transport company's livery on the cab moving the lift onto the flatbed.

[0] Fun fact: where in a car your steering more or less self-centers when on a level road, so that when you let go of the steering wheel you end up going straight ahead again, steering a scissor lift requires that you actively have to center; tell the steering to make a turn and it will continue the turn until you use the joystick to find the 'straight ahead' steering position again. That ... takes some getting used to.

[1] Those machines have some controls on the engine panel, but it's the aforementioned box on the work platform which has the joystick. You can do a few things from the engine panel such as controlling the leveling jacks and raise/lower the platform so you can raise it to "out of reach level" when you leave for the night. For driving and obviously working at height the ignition key needs to be in the platform box, disabling the engine panel controls, but in case of an emergency there is a lever someone on the ground can pull, opening a valve to lower the platform. During the time we were working on that project there was the King's birthday, which means Amsterdam is even more filled with drunken yobbos that it is otherwise. Half a dozen of them had managed to activate a cherrypicker-type lift (not ours, but the same manufacturer), raised it and constantly blared the horn. Which is FSCKING LOUD. They refused to stop and get back down, and in the end the police had to call in the fire brigade to get a platform engine next to the louts and teargas them at height. Had we known about the problem (we happened to be a couple of streets over, even), we could have shown them the lever to pull.

Stoneshop
Flame

Re: Deere me

(that and if you want to REALLY fix the Ukraine-Russia war without escalating it into WW3, stalrt prloducing domestic oil inside the USA until the prices get so low that Pootie cannot AFFORD TO STAY THERE and leaves)

Russia's foothold in the energy sector is gas, not oil. Supplies of oil are pretty interchangeable, and while you need to adjust your refinery processes for the various grades of crude, a lot comes in via tankers and it's for a large part immaterial whether those bring in Saudi, Nigerian, Venezuelan or Brazilian oil. Over half of Russia's oil is consumed locally, and for the part that is exported it's not too difficult to get it from alternative sources.

Gas is quite different. Most of it comes into Europe via pipelines, and for instance German and Italian industry would be in serious trouble if supplies from Russia were to be cut off. Same for domestic use in Austria, Bulgaria and several other European countries.

But that is also Putin's Achilles heel. Changing to renewables has been kicked into high gear, but unfortunately that's not going to produce results overnight.

And one upside is that Ukraine receives transport fees for gas; 80% of Russian gas exports to Europe transit Ukraine.

Don't hate on cryptomining, hate the power stations, say Bitcoin super-fans

Stoneshop
Mushroom

"Bitcoin miners have no emissions whatsoever"

On the contrary, they do spew out a load of hot air themselves.

Although they will argue that for getting rid of the literal hot air they "just purchase the electricity" to run their aircons.

The other form of hot air they hork up also needlessly takes energy to counter.

Meetings in the metaverse: Are your Mikes on?

Stoneshop

Re: Wifi-- NEVER!

Surprisingly, not a single compatibility problem with any of the above!

The only naff bit was trying to wrestle the laptop to a) drive 3 screens (its own plus 2 27" Eizos) and b) to get it to do so with all three of them as one extended desktop, not with one of the Eizos just a clone of the laptop's own screen. This situation was finally reached after 783 or 784 times (I lost count) changing the screen config and its subsequently required reboot to see if the setting had now stuck.

Stoneshop
Boffin

Re: Wifi-- NEVER!

It is.

The blathering was probably to try to convince me that WiFi was sufficiently secure rather than more secure than wired, but it was presented as if it was the non-plus-ultra in security with nothing else coming close. Which would likely convince the average MSOffice wrangler, but falls down flat when you're involved with the nuts and bolts[0] of IT. And anyway, the data between the laptop and whatever it connects to at the office is encrypted anyway whatever connection method is used for the last couple of meters.

[0] and the duct tape, chewing gum and baling wire.

Stoneshop

Re: Wifi-- NEVER!

Cannot say the same for my coworkers who choose to use wifi.

The newest batch of our W10 work laptops doesn't even have an RJ45 port. Mentioning the lack of this essential bit of connectivity I got a load of waffle about security[0], and only after being able to get a word in sideways could I explain that due to the layout of the house, the location of the access point and the stuff between that AP and my room a wifi link would be outperformed by a 56k modem, and be more stable to boot. Which before now hadn't been a problem as everything in my room, including the previous work laptop, runs via wired gigabit. This was countered with the irrelevant (to me) matter that they just had 80 Ethernet dongles for the entire batch. "So now it's 79". But after some more grumbling from their end I got promised a dongle, which actually arrived two days later[1].

Several colleagues would rather also have one, but have failed to extract one from the grasp of the Office Automation dorks. In which case I would just buy one from wherever, and expense it.

[0] as if, and in the end the (encrypted) bits will pass through the same VDSL link anyway

[1] after the initial connection that pulled in an amazingly large number of updates, the Ethernet link on an USB3 port replicator I happened to have around started working, so the dongle I was sent is now idle. But if they ever find out and want it back they can go fsck themselves.

Stoneshop
Trollface

squint a bit

boxing-glove-onna-spring in the photocopier,

:s/boxing-glove/toner cartridge/

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Trollface

Re: Just imagine...

Or the eleventeen Mikes getting into his two-seater Smart and driving off, at least half of them semi-floating up to 50m behind it.

Stoneshop
Mushroom

and it's utter cacophony everywhere you go in metaverseland.

Oh bloody hell, yes.

With my work laptop (W10), I had to take great pains to reduce the sounds for actually pertinent events, like "your computer is on fire", to short blips, beeps and buzzes. The rest was excised from the humongous playlist that Microsoft has seen fit to attach to Really Important Events such as "a sound has been played". And then they have the gall to introduce a Concentration Assistant that does not do away with the multitude of visual and aural interruptions immediately and irreversibly, but just saves them for later. But I think I managed.

Enter Teams.

A colleague was explaining some of the edge cases of a new workflow to me, something hard to get from a document without some hands-on demo, when he had to take another Teams call[0]. Immediately a most unwelcome stream of "music" emanated from the speakers which I could only suppress by muting them. After a bit of investigation this turned out to be Teams' on-hold music. Which in our case can only be disabled by some sysadmin, as the relevant command (of course, no such checkbox in Teams' config screen) either wasn't installed locally or required admin privs. And of course it's not some option either in the gargantuan maze of twisty little passages that one enters via the Settings icon.

[0] Of course it's sooo much better to call via Teams instead of using the device invented for remote voice transfer, the tele-phone. It's acceptable if you expect to have to view the other's screen at some point, but otherwise? Fsck off, and don't get me started on a Teams "phone" call using one's phone. But at least you can then still walk around, get a coffee and sit on the windowsill for a bit.

ZX Spectrum, the 8-bit home computer that turned Europe on to PCs, is 40

Stoneshop

Re: Where it all began...for some

This did seem a waste of memory at first,

But saved circuit board space as they could use 8 64kx1 DRAMs instead of 24 16kx1 ones. 6 of 16kx4 would have taken even a little less space, but the price per bit for those was appreciably higher.

Stoneshop
Holmes

Re: Where it all began...for some

The 6502 may have worked in the arcade

And in the Apple][, Acorns (Atom, Beeb and Leccy), the VIC20 and essentially the C64 as well. Also the KIM-1 and SYM-1, fairly popular (for their time) development boards.

for VERY early games, but couldn't compete with the Z80.

Page0 registers and a neatly orthogonal instruction set with most instructions taking fewer clock cycles than the equivalent Z80 ones made up for raw clock speed. Even back then Intel apparently put more effort in reaching higher clock speeds than an efficient architecture, and while the Z80 did a bit better there (just like the NEC V20 and V30 against the 8088 and 8086) it was still held back simply by being 8085-compatible.

Not to dis your diskette, but there are some unexpected sector holes

Stoneshop

but it costs a fair bit

Well no, just a bit of time until we've got ours set up again, and postage to the Netherlands.

For getting it back to you we can probably use that newfangled Internet thingie.

(El Reg, how about a cobwebs icon? Suggestion here: https://hack42.nl/mediawiki/images/thumb/8/8f/Warnung-cobwebs.png/100px-Warnung-cobwebs.png )

Robots are creepy. Why trust AIs that are even creepier?

Stoneshop
Coat

Re: its all puppetry

you've had an AIgorithm direct you to the RIGHT call centre????

Instead of the one on the left?

Stoneshop
Facepalm

Re: Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

In that case we're safe too. Has a manager ever been capable of fixing even the simplest of hardware problems, like plugging in a keyboard?

Stoneshop
Mushroom

a door with the sign "AXE TRAINING ROOM"

As with any hardware problem, it's not just that you need to know that you need to hit it, the really important part is where to hit it, how hard and what to hit it with.

Every bit of hardware requires specific tools.

Finnish govt websites knocked down as Ukraine President addresses MPs

Stoneshop
Facepalm

Re: Putin is accomplishing all of his goals

They are very self sufficient in food, energy and making military hardware like tanks and planes.

Food? Probably, but there's an awful lot of Siberia where very little will grow so it has to be brought in, which means trucks, trains and planes.

Energy? Check.

Military hardware? At least the only major tank manufacturer and one shipyard have closed down due to lack of raw materials and components that can't be imported any more due to sanctions.A good part of the USSR defense industry was located in Ukraine. Which was not much of a problem until 2014. self-sufficient

Direct lithium extraction technique for greener batteries gains traction

Stoneshop
Coat

Re: Salton Sea

(I would guess no fish anyway)

Pre-pickled herring.

Meta's plans to build hyperscale DC in Netherlands on hold

Stoneshop

Re: Timing….

Well, it looks more that Zucks money was well received in Zeewolde

It was well-received by a couple of lobbyists and through them by the previous council, whose political signature was radically altered two weeks ago quite because of the rather underhanded way the datacenter was 'invited' (and only later found to be Metafeck's).

There's also the matter that the DC's power requirements would make meeting the government's green energy targets not just a little harder, so the current government is looking for ways to use that as one of the reasons to deny the final planning permission. On top of that, half the area the DC would be built on is owned by a govenment department whose conditions for environmental impact are pretty hard to meet if it's to be used for a DC.

And anyway, how much money would a DC bring in for a local council? It's not a bunch of local white van men doing the construction, there's no local computer shop furnishing the hardware, and once it's operating there'll be just a few warm bodies carting broken stuff out and replacing it with unbroken made to spec for Meta stuff shipped in from elsewhere, probably China.

Stoneshop
FAIL

A future change of American government could probably change this in an instant.

The ultimate arbiter of where EU citizen's data is, or is not, to be stored is not the US government, however much they would like that to be so.

Vide Schrems.

BOFH: Putting the gross in gross insubordination

Stoneshop

Russian IT pros flee Putin, says tech lobby group

Stoneshop

Re: how successful he has been

Also, like Hitler and Stalin, Putin's dislike of negative reports has seen him being provided with, ah, rather irrealisticly optimistic data on just about everything. Especially when those reports get positivicated with every step upwards through the bureaucracy.

Stoneshop
Holmes

I am sure Putin will have worked hard to reduce this vulnerability the past years - so the question is how successful he has been.

I am at least as sure that not all of the budget for reducing that vulnerability has been used that way, instead reducing the flatness of a few of his oligarch friend's wallets.

Stoneshop

How much would China trust Russia's ability to pay them?

Russia has oil.

I don't doubt that China wouldn't be averse to being paid in kind.

Stoneshop
Holmes

Re: Logistics software?

Software is not going to help very much when the wheels come off your invasion. And your trucks. Literally.

OVHcloud datacenter 'lacked' automatic fire extinguishers, electrical cutoff

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Boffin

made up of very small floating drops of water.

That's water vapour clouds.

There are also clouds of smoke, and clouds of chemical origin.

Google Maps just got lost for a few hours

Stoneshop

Re: OpenStreetMaps, Here, Michelin

Oh, right.

Depending on my mood requests for access to my address book get replied to with a solid 'No' or get pointed to /dev/urandom

Meta sued for 'aiding and abetting' crypto scammers

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Thumb Down

Quoting Woody Allen ?

In which case "Do as I say, not as I do" would be quite applicable.

Stoneshop
Mushroom

"We're all a bunch of addicts "

Speak for yourself, OK?

Stoneshop
Holmes

Re: Aiding and abetting

Income taxes? Do they actually pay any? The few pennies left over after deductions for their so-called "Research and Development" into that Metaverse thingie will just round to zero if you calculate the tax percentage on that.

Stoneshop
Devil

Facebook employs the worst AI in the business

That's not AI, unless you mean Audacious Ignorance.

It's Machine Learning at best, but Maleficient Lies seems a better fit.