* Posts by AndrueC

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BT hikes prices for third time in 18 months

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I'm with Zen now. Haven't had a single connection issue since the second the service went live.

That's great and Zen is undoubtedly a better ISP. However unless you've moved from ADSL to FTTC (or vice versa) your physical connection won't have changed so the number of connection issues cannot either.

Zen broadband do offer alternative backhaul providers but all FTTC connections rely on openreach hardware in the cabinet and switching providers does not require any changes in the cabinet. It's just a routing table and/or RADIUS update. In fact your modem will likely remain synchronised throughout the switching process.

If you're still on ADSL it could be a switch to an LLUO's hardware though.

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Re: Ah well

They were kidding. They're going to Talk Talk really :)

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Re: BT Sport

Ofcom rules require telecom firms to give customers 30 days to leave their contract penalty-free. "We recommend customers take this opportunity to shop around, or at the very least get on the phone to BT to see if they can negotiate a better deal,"

Of course it's likely that the other CPs will follow-suit but in that case maybe they are all the gift that keeps giving.

Guy Glitchy: Villagers torch Openreach effigy

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Except that Devon CC rejected BT from the phase II BDUK tenders.

"Back in June 2015 there had been plans for a second phase extension of the original roll-out with Openreach, but hopes of a deal soon faded after the local authorities were unable to agree a mutually acceptable level of coverage and time-scale. At the time CDS said that BT couldn’t commit what was needed or offer “any reassurances that the 95% [coverage] target could be reached” (here)."

openreach was not going to touch those areas with a ten-foot bargepole after that (even assuming they were ever going to do this particular village). Gigaclear and Airband have stepped into the breach. So it's Gigaclear and Airband that the villages need to be petitioning. And/or Devon CC because openreach has already been told that it's not wanted.

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Re: I regularly communicate with openreach

For this to happen, among other things, all providers have to agree a timeframe for a short interruption of services.

That's a new one on me. I can think of several reasons why installing a new cab is tricky and not 'cost effective' but outage coordination seems an odd problem. My original PCP was relocated earlier this year and there were two outages lasting less than a minute each. Now yes, they were during the day, but neither my phone nor my broadband provider notified me beforehand. So the most I can see BT doing is issue a planned maintenance warning as listed on the Zen status page.

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A network architect ought to understand the various options. Although apparently he works on N3 so maybe not ;)

If all you can think of doing is sit around waiting for the lumbering horror of Openreach then you're missing a trick. Other CPs exist, and the various altnet providers are experts at dealing with hard to reach areas. They can often go where openreach can't. Has anyone asked Gigaclear and friends why they haven't stepped in? Or perhaps wondered why none of the CPs seem able to upgrade that community?

I know everyone loves to jump on (or in this case set fire to) Openreach but they aren't the only company currently expanding superfast coverage. To say nothing of community efforts. If no-one at all has offered then there must be a serious problem to address.

Pixel-style display woes on your shiny new X? Perfectly normal, says Apple

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Re: 'image persistence' or 'burn-in'

Manual chokes did have one advantage. The first bit of travel only adjusted the idle speed so in slow moving traffic I found I could use the choke to give my right foot a rest.

But the day my Metro's cable failed and would no longer lock in position wasn't fun. I had to negotiate rush hour traffic and keep holding the choke out when I came to a stop. And as I remember it was to the right and below the steering wheel so I had to stay kind of hunched over.

Ah that Metro. It's other memorable moment was when I was caught in a traffic jam on the M6 in the outside lane on a hot summer's day. I watched in horror as the temperature gauge began to climb. Fearing the embarrassment of an expired car in lane 3 I turned the heater on full blast and opened the windows. Still the gauge climbed. As it approached the red line I closed my eyes..and there was a sudden whoooooosh from under the bonnet as the fan kicked in and the gauge dropped straight back down to normal.

Oh how I laughed. Hysterical relief I think :)

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Re: 'image persistence' or 'burn-in'

I'll take your manual choke and raise you an odd lever to cut off the diesel supply to stop the engine.

Carburetor? We thought having one of those was posh. We made do with adjusting our own fuel/air mixture as we drove along.

ATM fees shake-up may push Britain towards cashless society

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I almost never go into a shop as all my purchases are made online. I think the last hold-out was greetings cards but Moonpig solved that problem several years ago. I usually have a tenner in my wallet but no coins on me. I have a few in the centre console of my car due to an incident with a mobile phone that I've previously mentioned on this illustrious forum.

But I'd say I live not only a cashless life but the vast majority of my purchases are virtual as well. The only regular physical payments are petrol and golf clubs when I'm playing away.

Oh and to help knock the ageist Luddism accusations on the head I'm 50.

Those IT gadget freebies you picked up this year? They make AWFUL Christmas presents

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I worked for a company once that decided to hand out branded USB sticks and cleverly put our software on them. Unfortunately the marketing department never came to ask us how big our package was (ooh er missus) so when the - several hundred - USB sticks were delivered they were too small(*). Naturally the same order included small flyers that accompanied each stick telling the lucky recipient how to install our software from the stick.

(*)On the plus side it meant we didn't have to address the thorny issue of how we were going to get our software onto the sticks. Another simple matter that, again, the marketing department hadn't seen any need to consult us about.

Birds are pecking apart Australia's national broadband network

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..or even get in a flap over it.

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Re: Australian bird calls are generally the opposite of melodious

I used to share my house with a budgie. He could say "ploppy bottom" amongst other things. Saved me the bother. I often thought it would be fun to spend a couple of years down there teaching the native budgies a few choice phrases.

Mind you despite their diminutive size budgies can be quite loud if they want to be.

One-third of mobile users receive patchy to no indoor coverage

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Mine is quite poor. With my old 3G phone it was barely usable for calls and there were times I couldn't even receive texts. It's better with 4G. It's only one bar but 4G seems more resilient and at least it's now usable. I'm not in the arse-end of nowhere either - I'm on the outskirts of a small town a couple of miles from the M40, next to the A43.

First iPhone X fondlers struggle to admit that Face ID sort of sucks

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Re: you said facial...

..no that would be a crap joke.

Official: Perl the most hated programming language, say devs

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I don't hate any language. I use what is appropriate. However I am keeping my distance from my colleague that works in JavaScript with React. I've seen and heard enough to be in no hurry to leave my C#/VS world.

I still have a fondness for C++ as a 'real programmer's language' but frankly it's hard work to do it well. Very much fun..but I prefer the easy life. I've often said that C++ is an F1 sports car to C#'s Ford Focus. One is fun to drive and extremely powerful. The other is boring but gets you to and from the shops with less hassle :)

But, yes, it's the toolchain that stinks. We're in the process of migrating from vs2015 to vs2017. The best thing my other colleague has said on that seems to be 'It's no worse' :-/

Car trouble: Keyless and lockless is no match for brainless

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In the end, I download a Juke manual that turns out to be 4,000 pages long

If it's anything like the Honda manuals the first 3,900 pages will be safety advice and warnings. The last 100 will be largely fine apart from the 90 describing the infotainment unit which will:

* Make little to no sense most of the time.

* Describe features that either don't actually exist or don't work.

* Mix three different models of unit together so that you're never sure if you have the model being described.

Honda clearly have a thing about safety. Every time you start off you're invited to click 'Ok' to a message on the infotainment unit confirming that you are responsible if something goes wrong. If you ignore it the whole screen goes black. That would be fine except it's almost the only place the clock is visible(*). And it is still visible. Barely. Very dimly in the top right so that you can only see it at night. WTF kind of moronic software developer did that?

(*)The other place is the dashboard console if you disable cruise control. And why would anyone do that? Why does CC need 'off' and also 'disable', eh? Honda?

BT agrees to cream off less profit from landline-only customers

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Re: I ditched BT for Vodafone

You may be right that they're bundling it in but not showing it but at that kind of saving, I don't care much :)

Yeah that's a pretty good deal. What are they like to work with? I use them for my personal mobile service and despise their customer support team with a passion.

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Re: I ditched BT for Vodafone

Moved to Vodafone Business Fibre.

They charge no line rental.

They don't bill it separately, true, however you're still paying for it somehow. You have to. Copper buried in the ground and street-side electronics fail now and again. The bulk of the OR line rental cost is paying for the vans, engineers, parts and spares and backroom staff needed to maintain the local loop.

If you expect anyone to come and fix your line problems you have to pay for it. Either an eye watering bill at point of failure or else an ongoing less onerous payment.

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forced through by BT in recent years

*cough*

BT didn't force the prices through. Its retail arm chose to increase prices (most likely to subsidise its outrageous purchase of football rights) and the other CPs chose to follow - probably because they also thought it a jolly wheeze.

BT Retail might be evil but the rest of them aren't saints either. They are all free to choose whatever markup they want. They have all chosen to increase their prices when the cost of the underlying service has been falling. Know your enemy ;)

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About bloody time but don't forget that Ofcom wants all the major providers to stop listing line rental separately for those of us that do take a data service. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not..

The Google Home Mini: Great, right up until you want to smash it in fury

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Re: Silly Valley

Dayna?

Yeah, she was a highlight of the 3rd series. Kept it going for a bit. It was the fourth series where it all went a bit wrong. Some very weak stories there.

The entire series is now available to watch for free on YouTube (with a questionable funky introduction). The story lines are noticeably weak after Terminus. But for all that it stands the test of time reasonably well. Those of us that watched the original broadcasts (7:10pm Tuesday if I remember correctly) will always have a place for it in our affections :)

Actually I missed the first showing of the Andromeda battle. My parents had me going to confirmation class and I didn't feel it worth the hassle of complaining. Maybe that's why I'm an atheist these days :)

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Re: Silly Valley

..and the last thing Zen ever said was "I'm sorry".

Nearly made me cry, that did :-/

UK.gov: Who wants £25m... *cheers*... to trial 5G? *crickets chirping*

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Re: The Apple Connection...

It has always baffled me as to why I can't have unlimited data on my mobile service.

It's a combination of factors:

* There is only so much data that can be carried over a given range of radio frequencies.

* There is a finite range of radio frequencies available to us.

* A lot of other things are using radio frequencies.

* Adjacent transmitters have to avoid each other's frequencies or Bad Things(TM) happen.

What this means is that hundreds (sometimes thousands) of users are all trying to talk to the same mast at the same time and the laws of physics mean there is not enough bandwidth for them. To minimise the problem the operators ration the bandwidth to encourage people not to 'hog the airwaves'. The smaller your allowance the less time you will spend downloading and the more time that leaves for other users.

This is what's known as contention and it can occur at various points of any network. However the problem with wireless communication is that we are up against the laws of physics. If a telephone exchange is congested another fibre can be lit. But the radio bandwidth we have is all we have.

Beam forming is a possible solution because it allows us to only transmit where it's needed. Thus even though you and I might be connecting to the same mast if we're far enough apart our signals don't interfere so there is no contention. It's almost as if we have our own masts.

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Will they come with the stupidly low data allowances

Probably, yes. Large numbers of people all hanging off relatively few masts with limited radio frequencies available all mean that sharing the bandwidth is essential. That means dissuading punters from downloading too much.

Leastwise that's the current state of play. But if the backroom boys can get beam shaping out of the home and out to the cell things might improve. That ought to allow the mast to partition the cell into 'sub cells' which means less need for sharing. It's basically Wifi's MIMO on a larger scale.

Grant Shapps of coup shame fame stands by 'broadbad' research

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Re: I don't think openreach cares enough to want to pre-empt faults.

From the replies I've had elsewhere it seems like for once I'm the one unfairly maligning openreach. They do still run nightly tests and their database does attempt to record line length information so they have a pretty good idea of the state of their local loop. That being the case it strengthens my view that the Ofcom figures are more believable than the Shapps' figures. Ofcom will at least get answers from BT and probably won't be lied to (well..not much) whereas it's unclear if Shapps would ever get anything beyond PR material.

So thanks those of you for correcting me. I did indeed learn something interesting.

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Re: I don't think openreach cares enough to want to pre-empt faults.

Well we're talking about the local loop here. I'm sure they monitor the core and one reply I've had on another side says that they monitor E-side but I don't see what they would gain from monitoring the D-side (and that's all you have with FTTC). It's just a lot of hassle and expense and it's not like they have a stringent SLA to keep on top of. Openreach is only aiming to fix faults within three working days. We know they have an almost permanent backlog of work so why add to that by trying to fix faults before they actually occur?

Sadly that level of care doesn't sound like the openreach I've ever heard about.

Hopefully the poster can provide us with more information.

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Sorry, but they do

That doesn't sound very likely. I don't think openreach cares enough to want to pre-empt faults. They are far more likely to take the philosophical view 'If a line fault occurs and no-one reports it, did it really happen?'. It's an interesting suggestion so I'll go and ask a few people I know. If you're right we'll all have learnt something and that's a good thing :)

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Re: Intersting snippet

but only for the first 100 that sign up and the other 600 will be left out.

Depending on cabinet type and size a cabinet can service 128, 288 or 384 lines. BT usually only install the minimum number of line cards but will add more until the cabinet is full. After that they will build another cabinet. They seem quite keen to do that and it's probably because it's more cost effective than building a totally new cabinet. Most of the expense is incurred for the first cabinet. Adding more cabinets is pretty cheap and easy.

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Re: Intersting snippet

Well for most cabinets it's going to be true for the majority of lines. Most cabinets serve urban areas and the majority of lines served by them are less than 1km in length (I believe the typical length is about 500 metres). So most lines connected to a cabinet will get in excess of 10Mb/s if that cabinet is FTTC enabled.

But of course 'majority' and 'most' are not the same as 'all'. It's also made more difficult because BT don't have a complete map of their local loop. Prior to xDSL no-one cared how long a line was so nobody bothered to measure it or record it. For the same reason they don't know the electrical characteristics either. And after all that they don't know how xDSL signals on that line are going to be impacted or will impact other lines in the area.

Top of the radio charts: Jodrell Bank goes for UNESCO World Heritage status

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Re: 960,000,000GB of data per day

Maybe they should go directly to Yottabyte ?

Good data there you have. Important insights it will bring.

Visual Studio Team Services having some 'performance issues'

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Re: VS2017 Community Edition is a POS

I've not personally had any memory issues with 2015 since the second update. If you are seeing them then make sure your version of 2015 is up to date because it absolutely fixes some memory leaks.

Now don't get me wrong. I use it day in and day out and it frequently pisses me off. One day last week I had to swap between two branches several times in one hour so had to sit through the teeth grinding hell of it trying to figure out first how to unload shit then how to reload shit. Sometimes I have to restart VS to get it to correctly rebuild a solution. WTF is that about? Is this the 20th century?

And don't even get me started on why I have to keep the WPF designer hidden. Fair enough there's a lot to be said for working purely in XAML but it shouldn't kill VS just to render my bloody form. And with it hidden after a few hours it will still enter a go slow phase where it keeps pausing for several seconds when I'm typing. Eventually I get so sick of it I have to restart it..and that means another unload/load cycle.

Someone complained that there wasn't a 64 bit version so I provided a link to a blog where a VS developer claimed that it's a deliberate choice because they don't think it's worth the bother. Just for the record at no point have I ever expressed an opinion on the validity of that statement. I merely thought it would be a useful discussion point.

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Re: VS2017 Community Edition is a POS

Still doesn't run as a 64-bit IDE - it gets installed as a 32-bit even on Windows x64.

There is no 64 bit version of Visual Studio and the development team have stated that it wouldn't help and might actually make things worse.

You may not have noticed, but 'superfast' broadband is available to 94% of Blighty

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Re: I assume Thinkbroadband are using the "can pay extra for fibre" definition of ("has access to"?

This could mean "most Brits who have a choice between ASDL and FTTC are too tight-arsed to pay the extra £5-£10 per month for FTTC"

And it would be correct. There are plenty of people who can't see any point paying extra for FTTC. And even amongst those who have opted to upgrade most choose the lowest package. The same thing happens with cable. The top tier package has the fewest subscribers. Last I heard even in cable areas BT-based ISPs have the most subscribers. I've not seen figures since 2015 but it says a lot when crappy wet-string copper has more users than coaxial cable where both are available.

The truth is that people who want the fastest possible connection are in the minority. Most people want the cheapest possible connection as long as it's adequate and for most residential properties anything above 30Mb/s is adequate. At the moment.

New coding language Fetlang's syntax designed to read like 'poorly written erotica'

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Re: Love the honestly listed 'features'

I've occasionally thought that abusive versions of error messages might help lighten the programming mood:

"Object reference not set to an instance of an object you stupid idiot".

"The name 'ibble' does not exist in the current context you pillock."

"Cannot implicitly convert type 'string' to an 'int' - have you gone mad?"

"'Fred' is inaccessible due to its protection level. Mind your own business."

"'IZero' does not contain a definition for 'ibble'. Why don't you try reading the documentation or learn to type?"

On seconds thoughts, maybe not :)

Lenovo spits out retro ThinkPads for iconic laptop's 25th birthday

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Re: 17" laptops

Guess I was really lucky to get my Acer Aspire ES 17 then. It was just under £500 and aside from the large screen is just a bog standard laptop. With a crappy touchpad :-/

And yeah I guess I should have said 'the lowest, reasonable spec laptop' but rants don't have to be accurate :)

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Bah. All I want is a laptop with a large screen (17" is currently adequate - bloody presbyopia) and dedicated mouse buttons. I don't need anything else. Ought to be possible to find one for a few hundred quid.

<old git rant>

Why is it laptops never seem to really come down in price? They get faster but somehow the lowest spec laptop always costs about £400. And large screens don't seem very popular. Odd that. Maybe as the rest of the population ages they'll become more popular. It wouldn't be so bad if web site designers didn't waste so much screen space these days. O! for the days when you could read most of what you needed to without having to scroll the screen.

</old git rant>

Happy Friday, everyone :)

He's no good for you! Ofcom wants to give folk powers to dump subpar broadband contracts

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And for a real world analogy let's consider cars. I'll pick the Honda Jazz.

'Advertised speed' - up to 118mph (yes, really)

'Connection speed' - up to 70mph (I never break the speed limit)

'Throughput' - 42mph (my daily commute is part rural, part urban).

But of course 'throughput' can be measured in many ways so:

a)No higher than prevailing speed limits along chosen route.

b)42mph daily commute.

c)60mph - driving from home to Dad's house (over 180 miles, mostly motorway and dual carriageway).

d)30mph if M40 J11 is closed during commute (screws up Banbury traffic flow even more than normal).

If you wanted (gawd knows why) to advertise a Honda Jazz based on speed what figure do you choose? And at what point does a Honda Jazz driver have the right to complain to Honda about their car being slow?

Now this analogy actually falls at the first hurdle because a car is a 'good' and an internet connection is a 'service' so different consumer laws apply (the latter doesn't have to be 'fit for the purpose') but I still think it's an interesting thought experiment.

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Now all we need to do is make sure that consumers understand the differences between 'advertised speed', 'connection speed' and 'throughput'. Some clarifications from me:

'Advertised speed' - a figure that describes the technical capabilities of the technology.

'Connection speed' - a figure that indicates what speed the technology is actually providing at a specific installation.

'Throughput' - a figure that indicates how much data can be actually be transmitted in a given period of time.

Note that 'throughput' needs further clarification as it could be measured in several ways some of which are:

- The maximum speed at which data can arrive at or leave from the end user's modem.

- The maximum speed at which data can travel between the end user's modem and their ISP's servers.

- The maximum speed at which data can travel between the end user's modem and whatever server they are choosing to measure (note that this is a very complicated thing to define and the Internet offers no speed guarantees).

Oh and all of the above need to be measured by the consumer over a fully wired connection.

I've wanted Ofcom to concentrate on throughput for a long time (not least because it's a product differentiator that can actually be meaningfully controlled through customer choice as opposed to connection speed which can't be for most of us). Unfortunately it really isn't a simple topic. I don't see how advertising can ever provide the requisite information. The nearest I can think of is a rating system but we're still left trying to choose how we measure throughput.

Nothing matters any more... Now hapless Equifax bags $7.5m IT contract with US taxmen

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and will be worth $7,251,968 to the troubled credit reporting agency

Shouldn't that be '..the troubling credit reporting agency'?

Forget the 'simulated universe', say boffins, no simulator could hit the required scale

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Re: But when no one's watching...

The simulation outputs are for the observers, and they can be comfortably oblivious of 99%+ of anything not observed

Quite. All good programmers realise that the users only know what they tell them.

UK third worst in Europe for fibre-to-the-premises – report

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Re: Central Manchester

The fibre run is Virgin, not Openreach. And you're right in what you're saying - when Openreach work they're (generally) great. But when they don't it turns into a game of pass-the-parcel with the problem.

Ah! Yes, of course, I'd forgotten they were involved in leased lines and of course will be present in Manchester centre.

And you're absolutely right about the hell of dealing with openreach. I once nearly got two fibres blown to the same location. I was saved by a miracle. A lady at openreach who spotted the duplicate request called me to query it instead of just extending the order and charging us double. She was probably new and hadn't finished indoctrination yet :)

Of course that all started because OR lost the original order. Although their response to our 'what's the delay?' tried to imply that it had never been placed. We offered to send a copy of the order confirmation but they weren't interested in it.

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Re: Central Manchester

What? So we can't get FTTC in there this year and FTTP later? We ditched Openreach and got an all-fibre line in via Pulsant. Sorted.

From looking at their website Pulsant don't appear to own any backhaul cable (not many leased line sellers do) although those are all copper based services. My assumption would therefore be that you are using openreach cable that Pulsant are paying to rent. That's how most leased lines operate simply because openreach has so much cable in the ground. It's rarely worth anyone's bother overlaying what BT already have in place in the local loop and for a leased line BT are generally quite happy to blow new fibre.

They may even be using openreach for the core network although there at least there is a lot more competition to choose from, especially somewhere like Manchester.

The thing is that what a lot of consumers don't see is that once you get past the hell of ordering from openreach the actual product - the data transportation - is bloody reliable and covers just about everywhere. It's not even that expensive if you are dealing with them direct. Unfortunately dealing with them direct can also be incredibly frustrating. I've done it a few times now and every time I swear I'm never going to do it again and will choose someone else. But then you discover that means dealing with several other companies just to get your data from A to B and suddenly the attraction of the one-stop-shop of openreach doesn't seem quite so bad. Just keep a bottle of Valium to hand.

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Sounds like contractor delays. BT can't do everything and two of the most common causes of delays are the local power network provider and the local council. There are several stories of new cabinets being erected then left empty for six months waiting for power. For FTTP they are very much more at the whim of councils and contractors.

Being in the middle of Manchester makes it even worse. BT do have some code powers to cut through red tape but they still can't just charge into the centre of the second (third?) largest city in the UK and start digging up roads and laying cables. These things have to be planned, approved then contractors scheduled. It's a shame openreach can't give you a better schedule but they probably just don't know.

As is so often the case in the UK - too many cooks in the kitchen and most of them are rubbish at cooking anyway.

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Apparently, the regulations actually prohibit installing fibre equipment inside the exchange!

Sorta. What they actually forbid is the installation of equipment that can't be electrically masked appropriately. VDSL falls into that category (ANFP document). There's nothing stopping fibre equipment being installed because it doesn't give out any electrical interference worthy of consideration and certainly not to copper lines. But the VDSL modems that are inside the street cabinet are not allowed in the exchange.

These are Ofcom rules. BT has a hand in developing them of course but it's basically an industry consortium that agree on what equipment can be attached to BT's network rather than BT itself saying it won't do it.

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Yeah EO lines can be a pain to deal with. Sometimes the topography means that there's just nowhere that enough of them meet together to make a cabinet viable. Or maybe there is but it's a long way from the actual properties (often the case in rural areas) making the resulting service worse than ADSL(*).

Unfortunately in some cases the only options for EO lines are FTTP or rerouting cables. Both of these are very expensive and since the problem often only afflicts a relatively few lines is not economical. You can cover far more properties with your money by moving on to another town.

(*)Strange to say but ADSL performs better than VDSL on very long lines.

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Re: Really?

Damn' right. My Dad (mid 80s) used to run a community centre having helped build it (his idea of 'retirement' :) ). He's still very active in it and is forever sending emails. His circle of 'oldies' know how to text. Most of them have a smart phone (though not usually the latest model and in my Dad and his partner's case 'smart' is stretching things a bit).

I even remember that he watched iPlayer before I did. In fact I think it was him pointed out to me that a show was available online when I hadn't even thought about that at the time. Sadly he they went on to annoy me by asking how he could connect his laptop to the TV which turned out to be a pain in the arse.

'The elderly' don't spend hour after hour online but then that's just not how their lives work - and they aer probably all the better for it. They prefer to be out and about chatting face to face and enjoying the fresh air. The only real difference I see is that those over 70 seem to see the internet as an occasionally useful tool. Those under 40 see it as an essential part of life. At 50 I feel half way between the two. I don't live my life online but equally it's more than just a tool to use when I have to.

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Re: Sounds good as a prototype, but not ready for sale yet?

Actual knobs

I suppose that's an improvement on the virtual knobs usually found on the web.