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Re: Let them pay
Sorry, but that's a bit like ( though in a minor way) people who say they've smoked 300 ciggies a day for 80 years and never had a cough.
Over the years we've had numerous call outs for various clogged outlets on dishwashers, blocked filters ( and coins lodged in them), broken handles, circuit boards that have mysteriously loosened, internal pipes that have come loose and flooded the kitchen and so on. This seems consistent with the friends and neighbours. I sincerely hope your good run of luck continues.
Re: O2 dont
Tesco and others use the ) O2 network and you get the same from them too. When I had my windows phone (sadly missed) the cost went down to about £3/month on expiry of contract period.
Re: Did this just last month
Should also be noted. "Locked" phones. This is a scandal. getting a phone unlocked after end of contract is a real nuisance. Made as difficult as possible by some companies.
Re: Let them pay
SkippyBing I do not believe you.
The amount I've saved by not doing that more than covers the cost of replacing a dishwasher i..
Cost of machine £550
Cost of repair contract £36p/a (Or manufacturers 5 year extended £30 p/a)
Cost of call out for repair £50 to £100 say, plus parts. ( My washer manufacturer it's £135 minimum - bloke down the road will do it for around £50).
On those figures it would take 15 years for the cost of the warranty to exceed the cost of the machine if no repairs are needed. Just one repair of say £120 inc parts would extend that period to over 18 years.
This is El Reg. We should all be able to do the maths.
Re: Let them pay
That is was what I was saying. It was explicitly an example .
Re: Let them pay
Well I'm not confusing them. I'm fully aware of the difference. I thought that was apparent. But I understand that a dishwasher is a device that can suffer issues not covered by manufacturer's warranty, such as a small solid item lodging in the filter. The calculation was more that the slightly higher cost of an unlimited life extended warranty compared to extending the manufacturer's warranty to five years full cover would be better value than than buying a similar policy in 5 years time when the 5 year policy ran expired..Even allowing for the fact that the insurers get an easier couple of years.
But the point was that even in that relatively "simple example" there's enough complexity buried in competing schemes to hamper an ordinary user making the best choice.
Re: Let them pay
I can understand why you would think that. But in the real world a large part of the population are no match for the misdirection and deviousness of large companies. Companies who pay lots of money to help them separate the public from theirs. Like complex tariffs that a harassed parent isn't going to have the time to work through even if they have the skills to work through.
Simple example. Yesterday I took a repair plan warranty extension on a new dishwasher The manufacturer's warranty comes with an extra year free, though it is a limited warranty. There's another option of a 5 year extension, or a third option, to get a full cover annual policy, not directly from the manufacturer, using teh same agent as it happens which would cover the aspects that are uncovered by the warranty ( user negligence, that sort of thing) which costs a bit more than the 5 year policy over 5 years- because you have to pay the full amount even during the 2 year "free" cover option, and that sounds like a raw deal except the cost remains constant for the length of the policy so that it works our much cheaper once you get past a certain number of years.
Now, how many are going to be able to work through that lot? And how many would take the manufacturer's offer which could then get very expensive from year 6 onwards.
Re: How? Because the phone is free innit????!!!
People, in a vague, unconsidered way think that they are just paying for the network, and get a "free" phone. And the marketing has allowed them to think this by the way it's worded. You get a such and such choice of phone if you take this such and such contract. Also the nature of that never ending payment reinforces this*, the contract is for £xx a month including phone. Never until phone is bought.
*O2 and associates (Tesco etc) aside
That being said, while I used fax a lot till recently, I used a scan of my signature on both media. (Faxes were more often than not documents printed on my MFD to fax and ma never have seen any paper)
No. No one says you don't have email as well or that you shouldn't replace fax machines over time. as they fail. Images from high tech devices get emailed or transferred electronically. Letters to a named person get faxed. Perhaps from a printer. But while the fax works, is secure and the information pops up on someone's desk it may be better than being in a list of 500+ email messages about everything from trust directives about the latest changes in curtain material to arrangements for Doreen's hen night.
But to spend money replacing functioning fax machines wholesale is a different matter.
The newest and latest tech doesn't have to be adopted immediately just because you can.
Linux kernel's Torvalds: 'I am truly sorry' for my 'unprofessional' rants, I need a break to get help
Re: @Steve Davies 3 Don't let the namby-pambys run the Kernel, Linus!
Sounds like a fair point. He's got the results. Ultimately his developer community will do what it does because it wants to. And what will happen will happen.
He's not going to be around forever. At some point the great ctl-alt-delete will get to him too. If the project is balanced on the single point of one person bullying it along it is doomed.
From the outside looking in..
The man's behaviour, over the years, has been appalling by normal standards.
But since he's in a reasonably safe place, society wise, being neither a politician nor a businessman (as such), maybe his behaviour is just something that has to be accepted. You don't have to work alongside him. But that's like seeing the development world as a kind of digital Wild West.
The above comments that say in effect "if you get abused it's your own fault" can only apply if abuse is at least proportionate. And. If too many good programmers choose not to work alongside him, then he is damaging the project. Also if people argue, as they would out in the rest of the world, that no abuse is appropriate ( as would I) then that has to be taken into account too.
The danger is that otherwise you get into the "If you don't want to sleep with the producer don't go into acting" kind of argument.
You pay peanuts
And you know the rest.
Re: Powershell & Snippingtool?
In this rather muddled article there is no differentiation between named software/officially sanctioned software/IT staff using own unauthorised software/ general staff using their own.... software
There are some problems with this article
First, the fact that it's people who are the risk is nothing new.
1.) if these people can install random bits of software on a company system then the system can't have been tied down properly
2.) If they want to install this software they must have a reason. If they have a reason (other than personal, possibly entertainment, software ) then they are being asked to perform tasks that the company hasn't given them the tools for. So the company would deserve all it gets.
3.) Where staff circumvent the actual security procedures of the company for reasons of productivity - which was the implication of this article before it got tied up in dodgy software installs, the question is then posed; What are they being asked to do that can't be managed within the procedures? And if this, why is the management is not factoring in its own procedures when setting tasks?
This makes the image of a speeding driver totally inadequate.
Re: The last time I ran a Windows beta
Older, more innocent days.
Re: Does anybody here remember...
I don't like rollercoasters, either. But some people.....
Re: What is the point of the login screen image at all then?
Is it to be a blurred showing of a real image or jus a blurry image. If the latter it can be changed. If it blurs real images specially, who knows. Microsoft's habit of removing functionality for no good reason is pretty remorseless in this regard.
Re: Does anybody here remember...
I could imagine people with test systems (pros/tech journalists/hobbyists) doing this for the interest and preparedness.
Anyone putting it on a system needed to do stuff is just a looney.
Re: Phone? What's that?
I could have said the same ""99% of calls from numbers not already on my contact list ...are junk" twenty+ years ago. Anyone who ever received a call from out of the blue from an unknown number was getting junk. Except once upon a time it was wrong numbers (they used to be very common) now it's PPI/Scammers
Re: "Nokia was toast from the moment Elop was made CEO"
It's more that Microsoft's mobile strategy seemed to be built around bullying rather than user friendliness. Trying to bully users to accept a Desktop OS that would tie them to a mobile OS. And trying to bully them into either over priced or cheap cut-down to-the-bone (so still over priced in effect) models when something middle of the road with good features ranges was needed ( e.g having a single crappy camera when Androids were all starting to come out with two decent cameras, or having no compass etc)
Re: You could equally say that about France, Germany, Algeria and Argentina
It may be apocryphal. When there were bomb attacks in Vienna Americans cancelled trips to Australia.
In content, not in, er syntax.
Re: Nokia was a phone company that couldn't make the transition
I think your comment "People like Nadella like easy challenges and quick returns, they will run away from difficult ones," is telling.
Commitment to a product, getting the product right and supporting that product. Where did these basic concepts go?
Re: The cost of theft
But how much of that stuff is assembled from imported bits. Bits which may become more expensive with high tariffs?
Re: Obamacare === Medicare? Not!!
As I understand this, explained to me by a cousin who is American and a lawyer with skills in this area, Obamacare is indeed a pretty awful scheme - just far better than not having some kind of affordable care scheme.
Re: You can always count on the GOP!
Who in the world sees USA's Democrats as "Lunatic Left"???
They're barely a sliver away from the GOP. If that.
Re: "socialism ultimately fails because it runs out of "other people's money"
Americans ( and many others) have been taught that Socialism = Communism.
It does not. This may, according to the definition used, be a matter of degree. But they are not the same. And of course some extreme political parties - of extreme left and extreme right- have adopted the word, on the basis that it implies something much more moderate and friendly than they really stand for. But it doesn't make them socialist and it doesn't make socialism what any of them stand for.
Communism is, in simple terms, the central ownership of everything on behalf of the people.
Socialism is the direction of resources so that incomes are spread equitably among the people.Which could mean communism. Marxist thinkers would define Socialism as a step on the path to Communism. As would the conservative right; though with much less appetite.And both Communists on the left and radical free-marketeers on the right would both have you think it is the same. Both have a vested interest in diverting society away from any system that manages the economy to be more equitable.
In a sense the extreme right and extreme left have a convergence of views. Because neither can bare the thought of a fair and equitable society. (And arguably the top echelon of both are just the same as each other anyway. See Orwell's Animal farm).
Re: The cost of theft
The Chinese probably have noticed that the West got its wealth through similar and worse tactics. We stole people as slaves for a start. And we stole land that we worked with slave labour. And we stole the produce of the land and the minerals below it. We even fought wars so that we could make them let our drugs in for sale. Noticeably against China itself
The Opium Wars were two wars in the mid-19th century involving China and the British Empire over the British trade of opium and China's sovereignty. The clashes included the First Opium War (1839–1842) and the Second Opium War (1856–1860). The wars and events between them weakened the Qing dynasty and forced China to trade with the other parts of the world. The victorious British were successful in inducing an opioid crisis in China, which seriously undermined Chinese society.
...In 1820, China's economy was the largest in the world, according to British economist Angus Maddison. Within a decade after the end of the Second Opium War, China's share of global GDP had fallen by half. .......e. China was the largest economy in the world for many centuries until the Opium Wars. In China, the period between 1839 and 1949 is referred to as the Century of Humiliation.
Well actually AC there are plenty in the UK and USA etc. trying to level that playing field. The ones who want to abolish minimum wage, job security and health and safety rules. Those who encourage zero hours contracts and welfare "reforms" that push people to destitution if they don't accept poverty-level pay.
I think, from what I've been reading, constant growth is not a demand of modern economics ( which hasn't really changed that much) but of modern commerce . i.e. bean counters who value companies on an index of growth rather than earnings.
Yup Jamie Jones, got it in one.
Where I live (London) UK the streets were cabled by a small company given the local franchise - Cable London. Competing with BT as the only other ( national ) carrier. But Cable London got vacuumed up by ( I think this is the order) Cable and Wireless, who were vacuumed up by NTL who were vacuumed up by Virgin Media who were vacuumed up by a faintly anonymous bunch (Global something or other - that the subscribers have probably never even heard of). And if there wasn't regulation it would eventually be one company. Didn't the USA have something similar with Bell? Unregulated market capitalism just means the biggest fish takes control of the whole pond. Can Bob, I wonder, really imagine Amazon letting anyone else sell anything if they had their way? And once they had monopoly we'd all be serfs and share croppers, buying at the company store.
Logic and politics
At some point in time the USA decided that important utilities had to be protected. Phones being one such. It's the role that this service played that was being protected, not the technology. I much doubt that the legislators knew or cared the first thing about the technology. The internet has come along in a different time; one in which "free market" deregulation rules.
In logical terms VoIP serves the same role as POTS- i.e. letting someone here speak to someone not here. But maybe with other functions, though that could have been said since at least the invention of Fax.
In political terms it's a way to wriggle the service for speaking to someone away from being a protected service into a fully free market service.
Re: Get over it???
I didn't give you either of those two dvs. Done by the time I got here - but they still put you over the line. :-) Funnily enough I only got 2 dvs, at the time of writing. If one was yours the only other was probably the "Get over it"er.
Get over it???
As soon as I see those words I recognise someone who hasn't got an argument. It's the logical equivalent of "Yah Boo sucks to you!"
Go ahead, downvote me.
Re: Upsetting non-techies can be hard
There were and are too f-ing many bits of Windows that do this. Stuff happens, because a random key combination gets knocked and there is no visible way of getting things back to normal. Ideally there ought to be a button that reveals status of various options, so that users can see what has been set.
BUT, mostly the real problem is that Help in Windows is and has always been total crap. Usually if you go and search for anything unusual that's happening it won't actually be mentioned. These are settings ffs.
Re: FIRE ! FIRE ! FIRE !
Re: Smash the spinning Jenny!
AC - Trolling here is really a waste of time. We ( not all old folk) have pretty much all seen it all.
And FWIW we, old and young, do know the difference between worthwhile new tech and meretricious crap designed to separate the gullible from their cash.
But hey! If you want to troll, go ahead. And if you want to buy this stuff, please do. It's gainful employment for someone - if only a marketing droid or two.
Re: FIRE ! FIRE ! FIRE !
As noted. Because it has a timer switch.
When my kids were small we used "ping!" as a synonym for food.
Re: An "AI powered cooking assistant"?
My main use of mobile phone in the kitchen is to translate between those cooking temperatures in degrees F (or at least C) into the gas numbers on my cooker.
The point of a "smart fridge" is that we're not the customer, we're the product. The fridge would identify that we have run out of our Amazon supplied, bland, over-priced, generic cheddar and send us some more. It'd remove the option ( and the will) to shop around or try a new product - unless it was one they were promoting to increase their profit margins. If they had their way our branded, Amazon supplied SmartFridge would have fixed slots for a range of standardised items. ( A bit like those hotel mini-bars with every item in it's own sensor checked slot, that try to charge you if you move their over-priced booze out of the way so that you can bung in a carton of milk ).
This would tie us in to their retail outlet, selling us a smaller range of standardised products and charging us without us even knowing what we're buying and how much it costs us. We'd just pay our bill at the end of the month, probably automatically.
Re: We've seen this before
we're all now really pleased that the suits persisted and the techies ultimately delivered portable computers that could be held in the hand and connect wirelessly to the global telephone system and the Internet.
Err? Nope. Use the stuff yes. addicted possibly. Would I be at a loss without most of it if they hadn't invented it. No.
A phone you can use out of the house is useful. Beyond that, it's like ironing. If some idiot hadn't gone and invented it no one would be any the worse without it.
Re: An "AI powered cooking assistant"?
we're not too good at storing the ring binders. So we tend to print a recipe when we need it, not too often. Possibly not as wasteful as it sounds, since only the ones that we need to use get printed, and short ones can be read off the device. But is there any AI involved or needed? Fuck All.
consumers also have to get into the habit of removing their data and dissociating their smartphones when they sell on their connected cars.
FFS Most users struggle to work out how to connect the fucking things and make them work properly. Does anyone realistically think that they'll know how ( or even why) to wipe themselves off?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More real* Can you be arrested if your insecure 3d printer is hacked, badly misused by a script kiddie or equivalent, setting your property on fire and killing the people who live in the flat upstairs?
*They would have to get physical access to the gun.
Re: "educate the caller"
No Alan Brown, that doesn't read as lack of common sense. It reads of a sense of entitlement and an arrogance that says he/she doesn't think they need to take notice like other mere mortals do.
Re: Ahhh, memories...
Not just you Helldesk guys..
"My internet isnt working" was common when I was supporting colleagues as the IT lead. Except that "My internet isn't working" frequently turned out to mean "My whole fucking computer isn't working". Not being tied to a remote IT desk I quickly learnt that it was quicker to pop up/downstairs to their office than try to resolve issues over the phone. Luckily, though it meant stopping my own work to do it, that usually saved much more time than it wasted - even allowing for all the other diversions and delays on the way.
Whereas "The email isn't working" did often mean that the internet connection was down. Oh, and sometimes "The computer isn't working" meant that the printer had gone offline when they needed it. I never got to the bottom of that, even standing next to the fully working computer with them, looking at the error message from the printer. And once, when this happened, the user pointed to the error messages on the screen and said "See, it isn't working".
I assume we've all been through dealing with users who think the monitor is the computer, and the box is just the "hard drive". As in "Is the light on the computer on? "Yes." . When in fact only the monitor is.
Re: Oh, great: civil aviation wants to route messages over the Internet Protocol
Oh, great: civil aviation wants to route messages over the Internet Protocol
I wanted to be the first to write..
What could possibly go wrong.