* Posts by 100113.1537

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Reg reader lost for words over blank HP keyboard

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Old fogey remembers...

Back in the gold old days of DOS, corruptions in the autoexec.bat and config.sys files were always re-setting the keyboard to the default US layout. Trying to recover was not easy as the : and / keys were those which shifted between US and UK keyboards (and Norway - where I happened to be working at the time). I got quite good at closing my eyes and finding them again.

I still hate traveling to West Africa though where all the pubic keyboards have french layout - I have even seen these in supposedly anglophone countries - maybe they are cheaper?

(can we have an old fogey icon please?)

New top-secret stealth choppers used on bin Laden raid

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Not just on missions

The Aussies lost two Blackhawks and a lot of SAS troopers in a nightime training mission in 1998 or 1999 (I can't remember exact date). Not mechanical failure as far as I know, but I suspect there could be a lot more problems than we hear about.

Us non-mil types are only used to commercial flying which has much wider margins and a lot more time/leeway to cope with mechanical failures. At the sharper end, I think there is an expectation of technical problems - Operation Eagle Claw was planned with extra capacity to cope with some kind of technical problems, although that didn't help in the end.

Since there are no reports of US casualties, they seemed to have got the chopper down OK (whether mechanical or shot down hardly matters) and the Seals showed cool heads in blowing it up pretty effectively to only leave the tail rotor intact. Seems like they had ample spare lift capacity on the other three choppers to get everyone out, so - once again - planning for losses was part of the op.

Google sued over – yes – Android location tracking

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US = Regulation by law suit

This is how the US works (sadly IMHO). There is relatively little regulation for most corporate behaviour - the threat of punitive law suits is what keeps most people (and organizations) from doing anything even remotely risky.

What always amazes me (after living and working in North America for 10 years now) is how repressed this actually makes corporations in real life - and yet how corporate behaviour is always seen as rapacious and uncontrolled. I guess the lawyers are happy to keep it this way since it helps them to whip up enough prospective plaintiffs for a class action suit, but the chances of losing when it comes to a jury are so high that most corporations fold and settle out of court, perpetuating the impression of wrongdoing.

Apple breaks location-storing silence

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Hmmmmm,

Given the fact that it took almost a week to come up with this response, I am somewhat sceptical of their explanation. Given the history of Apple - I simply don't believe it!

Smartphones eat games handhelds and cameras for lunch

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I want what I want - not what gets pushed on me!

Call me a dinosaur (you wouldn't be the first), but I simply don't want a single device that does everything poorly (OK, some things mediocre). I still have a Palm PDA because there is no smartphone out there that does what it does for me; my camera is a point and shoot, but cost USD100 and has an 8mp chip and a 3x optical zoom; my GPS does tracking and way-point marking in addition to navigation and route-planning through my PC. And my phone is for making calls and sending texts (somthing that seems to be the least important thing on a smartphone these days).

I might be in a minority, but it is a big minority and I am getting mightily pissed off with being treated like a sheep and expected to just accept what is thrown to me!

Email compromised at Epsilon

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Same here

Yeah, BestBuy RewardZone were quick off the mark here in Canada too. i got the email from them before the story broke here.

Haven't seen a noticeable increase in spam yet.......

EU parliament suspends webmail after cyber-attack

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Badgers

Common theme going on here...

I think there have been similar attacks on other international agencies - the webmail access at the World Bank was also taken down for a while after a cyber-attack (reportedly).

They use Lotus Notes, but for external consultants the webmail interface was the only option. When webmail access was discontinued, they sent out notifications - via the same system so no-one who actually needed to know could find out......

Libya fighting shows just how idiotic the Defence Review was

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A continuation of "moral" wars.....

You have a good point, but this is only a continuation of the past 20 (or so) years of "moral intervention". This argument has been used to justify both Iraq wars and Serbia/Kosovo since none of these had much chance of "threatening" the UK, however a decision was taken that the rest of the world should step in to prevent dictators being really really nasty to their people.

Of course, determination of who is a "dictator" and what "being really really nasty" means are up for grabs, but let's remember that this kind of thing does happen and - at some point - there is a moral imperative to intervene as human beings.

I read a good article the other day (I'll post an update if I can find it again) discussing this point and the hazard you can run in giving disaffected groups an incentive to provoke violence just so you can get the international community to intervene. It is not a simple issue at at all and while we can all sit on the sidelines and criticize, governments have to make relatively simple decisions - intervene or not.

And you can bet that whatever they decide (and whatever the outcome), these governments will be pilloried for whatever decision they come to. As an interesting exercise, think what we would be saying now if we hadn't intervened in Libya? Or Iraq, or Serbia/Kosovo? Would the world be all sweetness and light? What about Bosnia, Rwanda, Congo and Zimbabwe - should we (the rest of the world) have intervened there?

HP promises App Store and Microsoft love in webOS world

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What about old Palm applications?

Anyone know if Palm applications will still run on WebOS? I was looking at a Pre for a while because I could still sync it with Palm Desktop running on my PC. If it does this then I'm in and will switch off all the rest of the crap!

I might be a dinosaur, but I don't actually want everything on one device (be that smartphone, tablet or whatever) - I have been using Palm handhelds for about 10 years and really only want something that does what my current Tungsten E does - keep my useful data to hand and sync with my PC. I am prepared to accept that I might have to get this in a 'phone someday soon, but why do I have to sign up to on-line storage of all my appointments and address data as well? (Don't even talk about my emails - I'm sure my clients would love Google or Apple having all of those!)

Dinosaurs like me are keeping up the resale value of hoarded Palm's pretty much where they used to be (around US$200 for 'in-the-box' new) so there is some kind of market for this. I hope HP gives us some options.....

Lenovo to press LePad on LeWorld

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Compaq Concerto?

Wow, looks like they are finally getting back to the original touchscreen notebook! The Concerto was great piece of kit and by removing the keyboard you could walk around and use it as a notepad, or use it as a normal (486) notebook. Very popular with the aged rellies who could never get the hang of using a mouse to move the pointer on the screen (probably why fondle slabs are popular with the same age group - when they can pry them off the grandkids!).

I used it as my travel machine for years and I've still not found a better way to give presentations - facing the audience drawing on the screen to highlight important points. It was still functional when we donated it to a IT charity shop five years ago (although Windows for Pen had not been updated very much...)

Boffins demand: Cull bogus A-Levels, hire brainier teachers

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Education - or training?

As a UK graduate (BSc and PhD) who has not lived or worked in the UK for 20-odd years, my impressions may be somewhat off-base, but the issue I have is the changing role of higher education - into a training system as opposed to education. As a number of previous commenters have noted, real training (as in learning the job) comes when you are on the job - the degree requirement was to identify those people who could learn and had the necessary background.

It now seems more and more that people (employers? employees?) expect to be able to "do the job" as soon as you start not "learn on the job" and so the focus of the qualification becomes more vocational than educational. In this case, we end up reducing the usefulness of the qualification for anything other than the specific job it is intended for and ability of the employee to bring anything more to the job than just an adequate ability to perform it. Now this is a chicken and egg situation - do employers demand this or teachers expect this to be the case - but as I compare my A-levels and degree studies with what I read now, there is no doubt that there has been a large change in focus.

As I have been exposed to higher education in four other countries since my UK PhD, what I have noted is the value in the highly focussed A-level system in the UK: For those people who have the desire and ability to get into research it is (or was?) the best system of any that I have experience of. Whether this was a problem for other students was an important question, but wrecking one (only?) good thing about the UK education system hardly seems the right way to go about addressing a different problem.

Evil grain-speculating OVERLORDS will starve us ALL

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One caveat

Everything Tim has written is quite correct (as befits someone who knows economics), however, part (most?) of the reason for the rise in rice prices in 2008 was because producing countries closed their borders to exports, exacerbating the fear of shortages in importing countries and fueling local price inflation in those countries.

This is an issue relatively specific to rice because, although the vast majority of the crop is consumed locally, export trade is critical to provide the shortfall in a few importing countries and the traded price ends up being translated into the local price. if you go back and look at where there was unrest in 2008, it was only in a few countries which were importers of rice and this followed the closing of export markets from countries such as India and Thailand.

At the same time, Tim points out that the traded price is not the same as the futures prices and should not have affected them. It is only when politicians start reacting to futures prices that trouble happens!

Enormous 1km ice-cube machine fashioned at South Pole

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Boffin

Junket for particle physicists

I knew one of the NSF grant reviewers in the US who had to go and visit the site when they were asking for extra funds. A 3-4 week round trip just to look at some snow... I was jealous 'cos I never got that kind of trip!

Russia wins World Cup bid in parrot-sickening travesty

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Lord Triesman was right...

Anyone notice how this outcome was predicted by Lord Triesman in his recorded comments (admittedly while trying to get his leg over) in May this year.

"Spain and Russia in a deal to bribe referees so that Spain would win the World Cup and Russia would win the bid for 2018."

Looks a bit prescient now doesn't it?

Buffy to slay her way back into cinemas

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Young Buffy - old Angel..

.. was pretty funny (I still laugh at putting your finger in the duck/dyke scene), but once Buffy was older that didn't work and the humour came from the other characters.

Oh God, I sound like such a nerd.....

BA slams stupid security checks

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totally arbitrary

My laptop security cable was confiscated in Dubai, but only on the second time I went through security that day (had to "leave" to get a new boarding card). This after approximately 200 flights over four years with it in my hand luggage.

Essentially, security screening is arbitrary depending on the airport/screener - there was even a story the other week from Norway where a woman was asked to remover her bra because of the under-wire. The airport accepted that 'their scanner was very sensitive" - so which airports have less-sensitive scanners?

At the same time, US domestic is as bad as anywhere else so this is just an anti-american rant from the chairman of BA. Security concerns have completely taken over day-today life. Did you know that the Eurostar trains from Paddington now have a 45 minute check-in time so that you can go through the same security screening? This removes half of their supposed advantage over the flights to Paris and Brussels.

Police turn to extreme-sport mobe sucking

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Washing machines....

Yeah, washing machines are a pretty good iPod killer - as i have found to my cost!

[this is me checking my coat before washing it form now on!]

Google and friends scheme offshore windmill army

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National security?

Wind farms have already been noted as causing radar blackout areas - I wonder what the Pentagon thinks of having most of the eastern seaboard blacked out for incoming cruise missiles?

[Black helicopters - because they wouldn't be needed anymore for sneaking up on the US]

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Interesting play from Google..

Since they are not actually investing in the wind farms, just the grid connections, Google are making a smart play here. They will make a one-off investment in known technology and simply charge a fee for everyone else to pass on their supply from wind turbines that will need constant repair/management.

They are basically investing in the safest aspect of wind power (in terms of return on investment) since the economics of wind generation is completely tied up in government subsidies which may change - with the wind..... (sorry, couldn't resist!)

Police slam internet justice - then use it themselves

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Grenade

More on people doing their own investigating

On a similar theme, there has been a story in the Norwegian media recently who sent the police details from the anti-theft software on his (stolen) mac which not only sends emails, but pictures of who is using it! The latest I heard was that one of his mates even saw the woman pictured using it on a bus ans still the police did nothing.

At what stage can you take the "law" into your own hands to retrieve stolen property?

[Hand grenade - one way of taking the law into your own hands]

HP contractor 'surprised and saddened' by Hurd sacking

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Let's dig around to find something to sack him with....

So the sexual harassment stuff didn't stick, but the mere fact that it had been brought was always going to come out sooner or later, so the Board managed to trawl up some dodgy expense receipts and forced him to fall on his sword.

Sounds like the local government story by an AC up above has its parallels in HP.

Not to speak well of the departed (and risking a serious flaming), but personally this guy was nothing more than a bean-counter who tidied up after Carly did the real job of turning HP into a modern IT company. He got credit for stuff that she had done and just needed time to come to fruition - an all too common story in publicly traded companies. The person with the vision to see what is needed is rarely still there when it pays off, having been sacked over the uproar (and resultant drop in share price) that goes with the upheaval.

HP was old, lazy and fat and needed a kick in the pants. Now it one of the major players again. Do you think that was due to Carly or this guy?

Want nips like church coat pegs? Click here

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Badgers

I'm confused

(not an uncommon occurrence) - only last week I saw (smooth) nipple covers designed to hide nipples when going bra-less.

Can someone tell a poor male of the species what is going on here?

Fanboi's lament – falling out of love with the iPad

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Hit the nail on the head

This is not a replacement for a note/netbook or a 'phone or a TV or or or - it is something else which may or may not be useful to people.

Now can we all calm down?

'Being fat is no worse for you than being a woman'

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If BMI was discredited years ago - why are people still using it?

To all of those posters criticizing the article for pointing out what the original paper said...

Yes, BMI is crap, but it is still used by health authorities the world over. Consider the latest NICE recommendations about using BMI to determine treatment options - a simple way to ration health-care, but which does nothing except entrench the pressure on people to conform to an ideal body image.

If having a BMI greater than 25 did actually cause any health impacts, why does the 25-30 group have the highest life expectancy in the US? Followed by 30-35, which is statistically the same as the "normal" 20-25 group. These are US-CDC figures from actual data, not extrapolations from extreme cases (which is where all of the obesity-related health predictions come from).

BMI was even re-classified in 1999 to make "normal" 20-25 instead of 22-27 and so on up the scale. At a stroke, this increased the percentage of overweight and obese people in the population and I have yet to find any discussion of re-calculating obesity rates in the historical data - itis simply give an evidence the "obesity epidemic". Furthermore, average heights are still increasing, even in western populations, and the BMI calculation cannot hold up for the extra bone mass needed to support taller people.

Papers like the one referred to here deserve a wide reading - and if a great headline such as provided by El Reg helps, good on yer!

'Lost' iPhone 4G brouhaha: Jobs gets on the job

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What about documents?

And how is this case different from the recent cases of secret documents left on trains/buses and subsequently sold to journalists?

I don't remember anyone here claiming that the person who found the documents should have made returned them to the police. We were all very happy to heap sh*t on the poor sod who left the docs, but no mention was made of the actions of the person who found them - who could have been doing a lot more damage than simply costing Apple a few quid.

Yes, if I found a 'phone (or wallet or whatever) I'd start by trying to return it to its owner and then probably go to the police. But if I found something labelled Secret I would take it straight to the cops, not to the media.

Let's have a little consistency here people!

Airport plods seize man with electric vibro-pleasure shoes

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Airport Security....

Speaking of fun in airport security...

Returning from a trip last week, I was going through Dubai for the second time in a week and had to leave the "secure" area to to go to the transfer desk. On coming back though security again (about 10 minutes after going through the first time) my notebook security cable was confiscated as being not allowed on an aircraft!

The sheer ridiculousness of the situation stunned me. I think I have taken - conservatively - 150 flights over the past 4-5 years with the cable in my carry-on (I forget it is there to be honest because it sits in a pocket on the front) and on this trip alone went through 5 security checks before it was confiscated - two of them in Dubai.

As a fairly frequent flyer, I am quite happy with security procedures - sure they are a bit of a pain, but mostly because of the queuing first, but I havne't been hijacked or blown up yet so they must be working - right?. It would just be nice to have a bit of consistency to make me think they are actually doing some good...

I have had a good time with Christmas cakes and Christmas puddings before now, but my all-time favourite was coming back from Kenya with a piece of lead-crystal glass as an anniversary present for my in-laws. The security person's double-take on seeing a big square lump of something X-ray opaque was priceless! In retrospect, I should be glad I didn't get hauled off, being merely asked to open the bag and show the nice piece of artwork, but it is one I will remember for a while.

Buzzed Gmail outs Googly ties of Obama's deputy CTO

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The most delicious irony!

Apart from the fact that there is nothing sinister in this guy's contact list including Google employees (they may well be his friends as well as legitimate contacts), this has to be the loveliest demonstration of a "feature" that would be called a bug by anyone else!

I can't imagine what Buzz would do to my email contact list - I am just glad that I don't use G-mail (or similar) that can be mined by a social networking bot (apparently without express orders to do so (although this isn't clear from the article). At the very least, this should not be public by default - surely we all know by now that default is to turn this kind of thing OFF and require the user to specifically activate it.

Ho Hum, said Pooh.

I am not sure I should be more or less worried that Google is so heavily entrenched in the Obama administration. I can't say as I feel too good about the wishy-washy touchy-feely Google-bots in the White House, but I am sure that is what most of Obama's team are anyway. Maybe the Google people at least have some executive experience - not conspicuously visible otherwise.

Whatever happened to the email app?

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Eudora - going strong on Windows 7

Eudora is still the most reliable piece of software I have, even since the migration to Windows 7 in December. I love the way it will work wherever I put it and I can tell it how and where to file mail and attachments.

Yes, I am a bit of a dinosaur (I still have a Palm for contacts and calender), but why change when something works?

The big problem with POP mail is not POP, but SMTP. Many ISPs use different ports and finding the SMTP server for a new ISP can be a hassle when travelling. That is the only thing I miss from my corporate days on Notes.

Men at Work swiped Down Under riff

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Musings

Hmmm, depending on the country (copyright laws are national) there is a requirement to actively pursue copyright infringement to show that you are maintaining your rights. Depending on when this suit was filed, there could also be a case for limiting the damages to the royalties since that time (I'm sure MaW made most money from this in the first couple of years).

There is still hope that at the damages hearing common sense will prevail and the percentage of the song that is actually used will be taken into account.

What am I saying - common sense and lawyers?

DNA pioneer lambasts government database policy

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Badgers

Even worse?

I think it is even worse than the physical planting of evidence. The way DNA markers are now evaluated does not actually involve direct comparison, but electronic records. If someone were to hack into the database and simply change the names for a record, it would not be detected as there is no direct match - the way a photograph in the records can be checked against what you actually look like, for example.

While I am not averse to police records (I am quite happy with people having data on me since I have nothing to hide) the ability to verify if the data is correct is critical and a database of information that is not easily verifiable is open to many potential failures.

Apple vs the iPad Bedwetters

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Compaq Concerto anyone?

Why do we think Apple is doing anything new here?

The technology is old (my first notebook was a Compaq Concerto way back in 386/486 days) and they have had closed apps forever without it destroying the world.

I've not actually looked at the specs, but from the article (and the comments) it seems like it isn't even a replacement for a netbook, let alone a notebook. What is the point of that?

The stylus of the Concerto was a clever way to replace a mouse for portable computing and, although it had its problems, was a real boon to actual mobile computing (standing up and doing something else that needed interaction) - they were widely used in the medical sector for example. The stylus-driven Palms and other PDAs took up the challenge and have become heavily used in embedded applications, but for some reason after Apple's failure with the Newton they developed a paranoia about any form of stylus and their current focus on entertainment has lead them further away from being a computer maker.

That's fine for them because they can make a tidy profit by delivering dumbed-down interfaces for specific jobs (yep, I have an iPod and am debating a Touch because Palm have stopped making PDAs for me to play games on while I am waiting for my flight) - but don't think this will change computing and certainly not the "world as we know it".

Too much sitting can kill: Official

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So what?

“One study compared two groups of sedentary office workers, one of whom had regular breaks to move around while the other remained sitting for up to eight hours a day. The group that had the breaks had better blood lipid levels and blood glucose and less obesity.”

Which would be relevant if blood lipid levels, blood glucose and obesity actually had anything to do with your health! All of these are referred to as risk factors because if you try to correlate them (or the actual study) with death rates you find nothing significant. Google "obesity paradox" and find out that people classed as obese live as long classed as normal and longer than those classed as underweight. Being "overweight" actually has the least chance of dying according to CDC figures for all deaths in the US.

US makes travellers go online, before getting onboard

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Tit-for-tat?

Actually, you can blame the EU data privacy regulations for this. The US used to demand passenger info from the airlines prior to flights, but the EU ruled this was a breach of the airline passengers privacy and so the US had to initiate its own process to get this information.

As a rather too frequent international traveller I can assure people that the majority of countries in the world require visas for entry and all of these visas entail a fee. The US Visa Waiver Program (for certain people and certain countries) is relatively new and this is just the latest attempt to get away from the green I-94 cards (if you are travelling on a visa you get a white I-94 and i can't see them getting rid of that).

I just hope this one sticks because I was always forgetting to have them take my I-94 stub when I left, thereby potentially leaving me open to an accusation of staying beyond the approved time.

Whatever you want to say about the US, it is still the target of most illegal immigration which means that plenty of people still want to go there - and I don't suppose the Yanks are going to be too worried about the few posters here who say this will stop them from going.

Intel staff 'fired' in ring piece stunt

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Not mumbo-jumbo - just Finnish

Sorry Kay - that isn't mumbo-jumbo - it is FinnishI

And I don't care if it is faked CGI - it is still hilarious!

EA exec punts 96,000rpm e-car engine

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Maybe the Volt wasn't such a bad idea?

I am surprised how many people here sound approving when all I heard about the Chevy Volt was bad! The idea of having a fully electric drive-train means that you can use whatever you like to re-charge the battery. The Volt was designed so that they can stick pretty much anything in it to - from a conventional petrol or diesel engine to a fuel-cell or, one presumes a whizzy micro-turbine.

I want to see something with 4 in-hub motors (the Honda insight uses these for the rear wheels only) and do away with transmission and gear-box altogether. Electric motors have plenty of torque at low revs anyway so who needs a gear box and you can save a lot of weight that way. You might need some snazzy electronics to replace mechanical differentials, but aren't they already in use?

Any engineers out there who can give the numbers on how fast 4 25KW motors can drive a relatively light car? You can save a lot of weight by kicking out the transmission and with a turbine like this, you may not need too much in the way of battery either.

Climate change hackers leave breadcrumb trail

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Academic incentive

"adding global warming to your grant application" is one thing - getting in the region of 16 million in grants over a 10 year period (as revealed in one of the leaked/hacked files) is something else altogether!

For UEA the CRU was a gold mine - bringing in that kind of research funds means they shoot up the ranks of UK research universities and get lots of other funds (block grants pro-rated to research grants). While the staff researchers don't necessarily get a higher salary, they get a lot of extra support and kudos within the organization.

So, what starts out as a good idea, gets big grant money, then gets hard to replicate ('cos the original code was cobbled together by non-programmers, PhD students etc.) - suddenly you have an incentive to "lean on the scales" a little. Then someone starts asking hard questions and you start to get defensive....

In the end, it is the cover-up which always gets caught out - leak or hack, sooner or later this information was always going to come out and now we can claim all sorts of conspiracies. The sad fact is that these scientists are themselves really being used by groups who stand to make real money out of global warming - the politicians, bankers and major companies that are busily pushing for taxes on energy regardless of whether there will be any impact on the weather.

In the immortal words of "deepthroat" - follow the money!

Toshiba launches first domestic fuel-cell charger

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Methanol - liquid fuel of the future?

Although some of these comments are funny, I think methanol to power fuel cells has a future. Methanol is flammable and difficult to get onto a plane (although 50ml would fit into the little plastic bags and not be checked), but it isn't explosive per se (same as petrol) and used in a fuel cell has a good energy to weight ratio.

In answer to the comments above, it isn't a chemical reaction and so it doesn't 'carry-on' when not plugged in to anything and you can't substitute ethanol (which has much better uses anyway - hic). A few companies have trialled fuel cells for laptops and if you replace the battery with them, they run quite cool (no explosion issues). Used as suggested above, they don't get close to the (hot) batteries so the safety thing isn't too bad.

Right now, this is a gimmick with the only real application lightweight generation of low currents when separated from main electricity (the US Army is interested to replace batteries in field kit). On a larger scale, it beats the home Hydrogen generators that Honda are selling with their fuel cell cars. In addition Hydrogen is much more dangerous and heavier to transport.

The big question is the grade of methanol - someone pointed out how cheap the standard grade is to buy and if you can use that then we are not too far (just one order of magnitued) from a viable option. I thought the actual fuel cell used quite a dilute solution to generate Hydrogen for the actual reaction so perhaps the grade is only important from the point of view of reducing weight.

US State Dept. workers beg Clinton for Firefox

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How compatible is FF with IIS?

Being a real weirdo, I still use Opera as my everyday browser. But I have issues with a number of web pages which don't render properly or sometimes complete lack of funtionality with anything other than IE. I am assuming this is because a certain (growing?) amount of html code is now non-standard and since this is being driven by people running IIS, is FF able to handle this?

I'm not suggesting the SD should go for Opera, but if FF has the same issues then I can see a reluctance on the part of big agencies.

CompuServe signs off

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Sad news

As you can tell from my handle, I was an early user of CompuServe. In fact, without it I probably wouldn't have married my wife as the purchase of two 2400 modems (with which the CompyuServe subscription came free for the first year) when I left Norway for Australia was what kept me in touch with my - then - girlfriend. Internatrional 'phone calls were horrendously expensive at the time (early 90's) so without the daily emails we would have been lost.

The forums were very useful back in the days of Word Perfect (pre-Windoze really) 'cos there was always someone who wanted a printer driver and CS was way better than the early WWW for finding specific items like that. It was also very useful for international access in some strange out of the way places.

But, as has been said before, this is progress. They dies with the death of dial-up really as people went to local ISPs for broad-band access I guess global WiFi access accounts are the modern version, but the Telecoms companies own these as well.

I for one am sad, even if we did give up the account about 4 years I can still roll-off the account name and password ************** (sniff)

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