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Euro climate probe Envisat silenced, boffins baffled

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Poor planning...

to only have the replacements due to launch next year - meaning that there was expected to be a 6 year gap between the expected life of ENVISAT and its replacement...

To calibrate these things you really need the new one up before the old one stops working and now there will be at least a 12 month gap and no chance to calibrate the instruments against each other. Instead, there will be an "adjustment" about which everyone with a dog in the fight will claim was fiddled to support the other groups pet theories.

Poor job all round!

Scotland Yard under fire over ex-Murdoch man role

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Bored now..

Don't you think it is time to give up flogging this dead "phone-hacking" horse? Accessing people's voice-mail is an invasion of privacy, not the end of civilization as we know it. Journo's at all papers do it (and have even admitted such), so all we have now is the witch hunt against News International (nicely pushed by competing news organizations).

Quite honestly, the fact that various senior officers have been accused of taking money from journo's is a much bigger scandal, yet this seems to be conveniently forgotten. How many of them have been allowed to retire? Surely corruption (let's not beat around the bush here) can still be investigated and prosecuted afterwards.

Wii U graphics said to be no better than current consoles

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Market

The secret to the Wii success was that they opened up a new market of non-gamers. I read all of you gamers screaming how the graphics were awful, but that didn't stop it outselling the other consoles hands-down because it wasn't you they were targeting. Even now, Wii consoles are still on the shelves in my local Costco - not exactly a gamer palace.

The question is, can they repeat these sales when this market doesn't really care about having the latest, greatest resolution? Well, since most people have HD tv's now, they probably did need to upgrade this, but since we are talking about keeping the same target market happy - and not spending too much money - there doesn't seem to be a need to out-do the X-Box/PS(n) crowd..

However, to get the same kind of uptake depends on the games this time around. They haven't released anything terribly new for a while and precious little makes use of the balance board (a truly unique input device, when coupled with a controller). I haven't found much to convince me to buy new games for a while, but (after years of use) we do need a new balance board and I was hoping for an upgrade to something to be bundled with that. However, I can't see why I would need to buy a new console with the current games out there.

Baffling barcode-on-steroids stickers plaster the Earth

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Re: Dumb companies

Good point. I know of one application which uses them as links to inform emergency services of specific conditions in buildings. For example, when the firemen rock up to a high-rise, then can get up-to-date information on which residents need help evacuating (sounds a bit basic, but I live in a high-rise and it is a surprisingly common problem). You still need to keep a list of the people somewhere, but keeping it on-line makes updating it easier.

Giant kangaroos wiped out by humans, not climate change

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Re: Not a new theory...

No, Tim says it was the fires that humans started that wiped out the megafauna, whereas this research suggests it was wiping out the megafauna which allowed "natural" fires to spread. This may be an academic point, but it is actually the whole point of the paper that the reduction in animals led to more grass first and then the fires as opposed to the fires which led to less grass and then a reduction in the animals.

Spider venom to be tested for pesticide potential

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Re: Oh, beehive

Nope, none at all. The testing of any new insect control mechanism focuses specifically on honey bees as beneficial insects - any possible damage and the products are nixed straight away.

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Re: How easily we forget...

Erm... no, actually. No-one has forgot the cane-toad. Every single bloody article about Australian agriculture has a reference to the cane-toad (including this one).

Strangely enough, it is precisely because of the cane-toad issue that this this research has been going on in Australia - they are now so paranoid about bringing in new species, they are spending lots of money cataloging and attempting to utilize native species and their genes and proteins.

Pair of double-As give you cheap, quick charge

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Happy

I get two ....

batteries with every phone I buy. They come standard at no extra charge when you buy from Chinese suppliers.

Used to be I had to out up with chinese instructions/software, but now they have the last but one version of Android so they are basically the same as anything else out there, just a lot cheaper. Slap in a pay as you SIM from whichever country you happen to be in and you're good to go.

Panasonic CF-53 Toughbook 14in rugged laptop

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Dust-proof

My sister-in-law works on a lot of mine sites with some serious dust issues. The last Lenovo needed the fan replaced and since no-one would do this (except me) she replaced it with a Toughbook and has not looked back.

I have seen a lot in police cars in Canada as well, although not sure if that is quite such a tough environment as they are well strapped in...

Playboy, Virgin Galactic tout zero-grav nookie in spaaaaace!

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Boffin

Re: "We might create guns big enough to shoot things into space"

Try Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"

Samsung stretches 5in Galaxy Note phonetab to 10in

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Re: Stylus?

Had Palm PDAs for over 10 years now and never lost a stylus. Had a Compaq Concerto before that and never lost the stylus. Just what are you doing with them?

A stylus expands the things you can do on a small screen so not sure if I am more enamoured of a 10.1 over the 5 inch Note, but - as always - it depends what you are using it for. As someone mentioned above, to simply consume entertainment, finger is enough, but for real input you need more.

I notice that the Lenovo Thinkpad comes with an optional stylus for business use - abyone know how many are being sold without one?

JEDI alliance: Jellyfish overlords won't rule Earth after all

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Devil

You mean..

Big Sandwich...

Phages: The powerful new bio-ammo in superbug war

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Unknown?

Get a grip, it was experiments using bacteriophage which proved DNA was genetic material (Google "Hershey-Chase") and every molecular biology lab class has used lambda-phage in experiments. A whole group of genetic libraries are based on phage and it is one of the standard workhorses in research.

HP hawks huge 132in 'tablet'

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Why am I thinking..

Minority Report?

Arctic freshening not due to ice melt after all, says NASA

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Happy New Fear

Sorry guys, you've got your scare story wrong. This isn't an CAGW scare story, but a "salt is evil" scare story and this is the anti-salt people putting their master plan into effect to get us all to reduce our salt intake.

Samsung SSD 830

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SSDs only lasting 14-18 months? What are you doing with them? I maintain a (small) fleet of notebooks which have all had SSDs for the past three years. All used as primary machines with no performance problems to date.

And as for size, 320 G on a notebook? If you are storing that much, you either are not portable (and why bother with a notebook or SSD) or you are not using half of it. SSD gives great storage/weight and particularly storage/power so it is ideal in a portable medium. On anything else, yeah, disks are much cheaper.

Apple's Galaxy Tab ban was best advertising ever - Samsung

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You're also dealing with an Aussie..

... which in my experience seems to someone quite happily prepared to torture the english language to within an inch of its life!

Must be something they do to get their own back for something or other (insert appropriate shoulder-chip).

The moment a computer crash nearly caused my car crash

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Very timely commentary -

- following the Air France crash story where at least one of the contributing factors seems to have been the pilots not realizing that the computer had switched off etc.

Not sure what the best options are; I certainly don't take kindly to cars doing things without me telling them (I drive a manual, which is getting harder and harder to find in North America), but I accept that ABS brakes are good when you need to steer as well as brake. Risk/benefit issues are all about likelihood and severity of hazard so if the automation reduces the likelihood by a very big amount, on balance we can accept a higher severity of hazard.

The whole issue of driver.pilot training seems to be the crux of the matter - learning in a fully computerized automatic vehicle (car or 'plane) can leave a lot out that hardly anyone is ever going to need, but will bite you on the ass big time if you suddenly do. For drivers, I doubt we will ever get everyone up to a high level, but for airline pilots - I think they really should know what to do when the autopilot switches itself off. And this comes back to the severity issue - a car getting out of control because the driver can't handle it in "manual" mode is an accident - a 'plane in this situation is a "tragedy". Non-quantitative terms, but I am sure you get my drift.

Phone-hack saga: Cop bung probe nets seventh suspect

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Without wishing to get into conspracy theories...

- this comment is very relevant.

To me, this is the biggest issue of the whole thing. Journo's listening to people's voicemails is hardly hacking and - while certainly an invasion of privacy - little more than going through your rubbish. Similarly, singling out the NoTW was fun for a while, but hardly relevant because it is on record that other newspapers were doing the same.

No, the way too close - and now shown to be corrupt - relationship between the police and journo's is where this investigation should really be focussed. If they are arresting people for paying for information, then the people who were paid have committed a far more serious crime and should also be arrested.

LightSquared screams 'conspiracy' over leaky test results

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But...

regardless of the desirability of the technology, the results should not have been leaked!

I am not surprised that LightSquared's CEO is hopping mad - this has just killed his company. No other investor will now come on board even if they bullet-proof the system and show no interference.

This is serious stuff from a government lab - I work with a lot of clients submitting data to governments and I know my clients are not going to like the thought that preliminary results can get leaked to the press.

NotW didn't delete Milly Dowler 'false hope' voicemail

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So...

who did access the voicemails then?

Isn't that the issue here?

No-one seems to be mourning the NoTW, but pretty much all of the papers were doing the same thing and it looks like it was someone else who accessed these particular messages, causing them to be deleted. If it turns out to have been the Guardian (who's reporters have been making hay with NI's troubles), will that be closed down by it owners?

Just trolling: It's OK to poke fun at Christians, says ASA

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Trolljegere

- at least that is the title in Norwegian. Direct translation is "The Trollhunters", but that's not necessarily a good bet as titles seem to interpreted rather than translated by film people.

HP has another crack at fondleslab market

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Hardware vs software issues...

I don't have experience with Palm phones, but the PDA's were (and still are) pretty solid. New (in box) Tungstens still sell at a premium on E-Bay and used ones rarely go for less than 50-60 $, which means that people are expecting them to keep on working.

I wanted WebOS to work because I have such a long history of using Palm Desktop and I wanted to continue. However, before it was cancelled I asked on an HP forum about synchronizing to Palm Desktop and was told I didn't want to do that, that cloud services were better anyway and, no, there were no plans to provide this! I was more than a bit dis-chuffed to be so patronisingly fobbed off and - the next week - the TouchPad was dumped so it became a moot point (still pissed off I didn't manage to get a cheap one!).

I am now stuck with third party software to sync with my Andoid 'phone which is painfully slow (and a bit flaky, but it gets there in the end).

I am still not convinced by an 'all-in-one' smartphone and may go back to my Tungsten E because it is way better as a PDA. I can take the strange looks I get when I have two (OK, three, no four - separate GPS and camera!) separate devices bulging in my pockets. The big problem is that they all sue different chargers.....

OMG! Berners-Lee has an iPhone

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Spot on!

Proves Tim B-L's point exactly!

Used Compuserve for many years as it was - originally - way more useful to actually get stuff (I was very popular in getting WordPerfect printer drivers for people). But as the web developed, CServe lost the customer base to free competitors, was Borg'ed by AOL and is now only remembered (fondly) in my username.

BlackBerry stumbles to feet, full of apologies

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Spot on - why is RIM being bagged at the moment?

This is the whole point - business is still using RIM and will continue to do so for the forseeable future. iPhone and Android are sharing the consumer market, but so what? All the stories are about RIM losing "market share", but that is because the market is growing like topsy and I've yet to see any data on actual number of handsets sold.

The coverage given to this (and every glitch from RIM) makes me wonder who is putting the boot in? There were stories all over our (local) news shows yesterday and today about this, despite the fact that hardly any people were affected in Canada. If i were a conspiracy-type i would be wondering who is manipulating the stock price....

The $35 android tablet, a snip at $50

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FAIL

Sorry, Serendipity, you obviously know nothing of India, or its history of IP protection. Patents are not international and nothing in the WTO makes them so. All you have to do (to join the WTO) is have an IP protection system such that foreign companies are treated the same as local ones (i.e, you can't selectively discriminate), but other than that, you can write your own patent laws.

India did just this with pharma-patents (making them effectively impossible to obtain while its generic industry got going) and the only reason they have changed this now is to protect the new drugs which Indian firms now invent (and wish to protect within India). There was no quibble at the WTO because non-one was treated differently - foreign companies couldn't patent and neither could Indian countries.

Furthermore, for patents to be valid, they have to be filed in a country before they are public knowledge - effectively meaning that if you haven't filed in India within a couple or three years after filing in the US (or wherever) you cannot gain patent protection retrospectively in India. Exactly what patents cover Android etc. in the rest of the world seems to be pretty ropey just now, but if they weren't filed in India, then they don't have any jurisdiction in India.

Take your $35 fondle-slab and try to sell it in the US and you may arouse Google's ire, but chances are in India, they haven't got a leg to stand on.

Android outsells Apple 2:1

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Numbers - not share - affects bottom line.

But with the market increasing, what does this mean in terms of actual numbers of handsets purchased?

I am no fan of any smartphone (I want my PDA back!), but it seems to me that RIM are being hammered in the press for a reducing share, when they are still selling lots and are the 'phone of choice for businessmen. All that has happened is that the market has increased with lots of non-business users who want browsing and entertainment devices.

RIM may have tried (unsuccessfully) to compete in that market, but the issue is still about how many handsets are being made and sold and how much people are paying for access to their network.

I don't have shares (in any of the companies involved), buy I sort of feel sorry for the shareholders who see wild swings based on numbers which have very little to do with the bottom-line profitability of a company.

HP may NOT spin off PC biz

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Highly appropriate..

Tanking your share price prior to things like share buy-backs (or screwing someone's option pay-out as suggested above) is illegal and a very good way to get shareholders to sue, but would have been hard to prove were it not for the monumentally inept way they have behaved recently.

If they tried a buy-back now, they would be screwed so hard by pissed off shareholders that I guess they will just have to suck it up and keep on going.

It gives a new CEO a great chance to earn his bonus by getting the share price to increase - even if it is still less than it was a few months ago.

I still say they should have kept Carly..

(ducks quickly)

TouchPad sales doubled after it was discontinued

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Absolutely - coffee-table browsing is major use!

Have an el-cheapo e-book reader (Kobo, I think) that we use for the same stuff - IMDB is probably the home page! Why spend $4-500 when you can get most of the same functionality for $100.

Still wish I'd been able to snaffle a TouchPad for that price - I was hoping to use my old Palm applications on WebOS, but $500 was way too much. I can still get a (boxed) Tungsten E2 on EBay for about $250.

Samsung outs 5in Galaxy Note as new smartphone concept

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Stylus!

Finally something that makes sense - instead of merely aping Apple, Samsung have gone back to what works.

Palm might have lost out when it came to smart phones (although I think that was when they started trying to copy Blackberry with the tiny keyboard), but their PDAs (and HP's) were very popular. You can do a heck of a lot on a small screen if you use a stylus and thank goodness now that one of the big guys have remembered this, I might be able to get a cheap Chinese copy which has a stylus again!

[Getting really frustrated with my HTC-copy 'cos I am constantly selecting when I want to scroll and vice-versa - my wife's real HTC has a stylus and I am jealous.]

Beyonce's belly: Most important thing ever, on Twitter

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Facepalm

Ha ha ha ha

Boom-boom!

What vegetables are best for growing in Spaaace?

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Spuds in space...

Actually, back in the 80's NASA funded actual work on this which showed a 25 sqm plot of potatoes could supply an astronaut's energy needs indefinitely. This was experimental work not modelling. Published in the American Journal of Potato Research Volume 64, Number 6, 311-320.

I can see why they might want a few other veggies though as you might get a bit bored just eating spuds, but they would only be for flavour.

CERN: 'Climate models will need to be substantially revised'

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Wrong way round

More solar activity actually leads to reduced cosmic rays reaching the earth - cosmic rays don't come from the sun (the 'cosmic' part of it).

The way it is explained in Svensmark's theory is that the cosmic rays are pretty much constant, but high solar activity includes a high magnetic flux which prevents cosmic rays reaching the earth. This is the theory to explain the correlation between how historic activity (as measured by sunspots) and cold spells going back about 400 years.

As a theory, it needed to be tested - the data on low magnetic flux from the sun during this (quiet) solar cycle and higher cosmic rays has certainly doesn't refute it, but the question was how this could affect climate. The impact of cosmic rays on cloud formation seemed like a good mechanism and experiments started as early as the mid 90's supported this, but the CERN experiment, which was regarded as being the critical test, only got going about three years ago (maybe four).

The potential political impact has had even the DG of CERN worried - hence his warning to the scientists to not go into the broader implications in their paper.

French letter shock: Tax us more, demand rich people

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- and take a tax deduction for the donation

Says it all really.

Marginal rates of income tax mean nothing to the really rich since they are able to declare very low "income" on which to be taxed. They are quite happy with a symbolic gesture of saying "raise our tax rate' because they won't actually pay very much more anyway.

And yes, they employ lots of laywers and accountants who have a legal and moral duty to get the best deal for their client - unless that client tells them to do otherwise. In other words, you tell your tax accountant that I do not want you to minimize my tax liability and, hey presto, you pay more tax. Easy-peazy, lemon squeazy - but don't go blaming the lawyers for this one (they deserve enough blame for the other crap that goes on!).

HP's WebOS mess: When smartphone assets go toxic

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Bugger!

I had hoped that with HP WebOS would mature into something useful. Surely someone could have harnessed the legacy of Palm software (of which there is both a great deal and real utility).

I was waiting for something to replace my Tungsten with (I have an Android 'phone, but it simply doesn't do what my PDA does - and is horribly slow at that).

I wonder if ex-Palm people are still around .....

Skype brings per-minute Wi-Fi to iPad and iPhone

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So it's not for you - who cares?

What about when I am only in the UK for a hour between flights? And then in Paris for another hour? What about Tokyo?

It might not make sense for you, but it sure as **** makes sense for me and I have been using it for a couple of years now. Massively cheaper than mobile roaming rates (dollars per MB) and I can use the PC directly instead of having to read emails on my 'phone.

Since I never travel without my PC not sure how much I will need it on an i-Anything, but once again, that's just me - I'm sure people who have dumped their PC for an iPad while travelling will love it.

Sky wins TV riot battle

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Continuous loop...

Thanks Andrew for a very insightful piece. I live in Canada and get BBC world news which I hardly ever watch if something is breaking because of their ridiculous addiction to a continuous loop - sometimes with as little as 30 seconds (the Oslo bombing for example). Not that anything else I can get here in North America is much better - I have pretty much given up on broadcast news and only watch TV for entertainment - news is better online.

I remember a long long time ago when TVAM lost all of its engineers during/after a strike - the managers and admin staff who took over to run the show would try anything (broadcasting live over satellite phones of dubious quality, for example - remember this was pre-smartphones) which they would never try with "real" engineers.

In addition to the 'Elfin Safety' issues, I wonder if there is still too much of a perfectionist culture to allow a journo to use in iPhone.....

Acoustic trauma: How wind farms make you sick

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Go speak to the Danes

Has anyone asked why Denmark has closed more on-shore windfarms than they have opened in the last 5-10 years? Noise complaints.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/7996606/An-ill-wind-blows-for-Denmarks-green-energy-revolution.html

Yes, a DT article, but they quote the head of Denmark's wind power agency.

Microsoft man saves drowning woman

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Thanks for this

Not quite what I expect from reading El Reg comments - but thank you for this information and the link.

Skype arrives on fondleslab

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erm...

Been using Skype on a fondleslab for months - was I holding it the wrong way?

'Missing heat': Is global warmth vanishing into space?

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beliefs not relevant to science

Paul, his beliefs are irrelevant, but his record and affiliations are unquestioned. Roy Spencer has headed the UAH satellite program for many years and has published widely on remote sensing and atmospheric energy transfers. The paper provides the data and methodology behind the analysis and doesn't make any claims or hyperbole (sadly, the same can't be said the press release or other press reports). He has pointed out a serious discrepancy between the actual measured data and all of the models used to predict the effect of CO2 in the atmosphere.

In terms of what he "hopes to achieve" you are ascribing a motive based on your own viewpoint that everyone has to have an angle and will use any means to further it. Yes, Dr Spencer has beliefs and he is quite happy to expound on them, but not in his published papers in which he sticks closely to what the data reveal.

Your own beliefs are quite clear with phrases such as "extreme weather effects" and "tipping points" which are still only found in computer models, not in the data. So am I safe to assume that what you "hope to achieve" in your comment is to detract from the data by smearing the messenger?

Grenade-gasm autogun gets Raoul Moat Taser shells

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Metal Storm - changing tack

This marks a change for MS as they had previously been developing their rapid fire weapons as anti-missile or anti-aircraft as opposed to anti-personnel. The idea was that with rapid fire from multiple barrels a moving wall of lead would destroy even fast moving incoming targets - which sounds nice on paper.

As people have said - if you are firing a million rounds a minute, you should aim better and I think this is why they haven't sold anything yet - anti-missile missiles with sophisticated tracking have seized the upper-hand in military circles. So maybe this is why MS are now looking at shotgun size applications although the potential for collateral damage (even from taser shots) makes me think twice about such rapid fire weapons as a hand-held option.

CERN 'gags' physicists in cosmic ray climate experiment

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WTF?

So that's OK then...

- pro-IPCC results are to be (over-)interpreted, but if they question the concensus then you should just cut out the conclusion section from the paper.

Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E420s 14in Core i5 laptop

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Pretty Think-Pad? Sacrilege

Well I for one don't want shiny chrome edges! There, said it.

What is the point of looking pretty when it is closed? It's what it does that matters - and how long it does it for (as the actress said the the bishop!). By going down this route, Lenovo are legitimizing the style-over-function movement started by Apple and are in danger of losing the confidence of ThinkPad owners.

As for the fingerprint reader - not a gimmick at all, but the easiest (secure-ish) way to start up. I don't think I've used the start button more than half-a-dozen times in the past 2 years and takes away from either typing long passwords or dangerously making boot-up passwords too simple. I wish my 'phones had this as I now have nearly as much sensitive info on that!

Google opens tiny window onto Baltic Sea-cooled data center

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Boffin

I'm sure they will find something else

Even if they are boiling any lobsters, I'm sure the anti-everything brigade will find something else to scream about. People tried this at Cornell University about 10 years ago and the green-meenies were up in arms about warming up the finger lakes. Didn't matter how many calculations showed the heat input to be negligible in contrast to the diurnal changes (let alone seasonal), it was "the end of the world".

Personally, I think they will use more energy pumping the various streams of water around than they would have done with chillers.

And a 7.5 mile pipe out into the sea is probably right - to get deep enough to avoid most of the surface level sea life (including possible jelly-fish). That is probably the original tunnel from the paper mill which would have been discharging some nasty smelling stuff previously. Even been close to a working paper mill?

Zuckerberg: Give me your children

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Terminator

And exactly why..

this crazy old uncle refuses to sign up to Facebook or any other social networking site!

Dell intros world's thinnest 15in laptop PC

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WTF?

Slimmest PC?

My T400s is 21.1mm and still has a tray-DVD/CD drive - why isn't that the thinnest PC? OK a 14 in screen - so what.

Marketing hype at its worst. Run around through 30 or 40 specs to try and find one where you are smaller, faster, lighter etc. and pretend it matters. If you are going to lug a 6lb 15 in PC around, who cares how thin it is!

HP exec: WebOS tablet will trounce iPad

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WebOS runs Palm programs

Long before there were "apps", Palm had a catalogue of programs which actually did real things (i.e. business and commercial applications, not just Angry Birds). I don't have a WebOS device at the moment, but as far as I can tell, there is a PalmOS emulator out there which means that I will get one when my latest Tungsten E goes the way of all electronics and I will still be able to access the 8 or so years of contacts, appointments, notes, to do lists that I store on my own PC and not in a 'cloud' somewhere.

That's what HP bought with Palm.

Northants cops blow up suspicious school play prop

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Big Brother

Hmmmm

The Met Commissioner was just taken to task for suggesting that the emergency services shouldn't be forced to follow the same health and safety rules after criticism of the 7/7 bomb response. The Police Federation (cops union?) were screaming about safety on the job when the inquiry was criticizing the slow response time of actually getting people into the Underground to deal with casualties.

In NZ there was similar critizism after a mining accident when rescue crews were denied access by the police. The "better safe than sorry" argument is getting a bit of a battering just now.

[Big Brother - obviously]

Google says Android 'club' makes phone makers 'do what we want'

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Google and Skyhook doing what corporations do..

So, Google do what corporations do - use a dominant position to pressure customers into dropping a competitor. And Skyhook respond with a lawsuit - all good corporate behaviour. Lawyers make a lot of money, regardless of the outcome, and the question of whether the users get a better deal is completely lost.

Is Skyhook's software better than Google's? Doesn't really matter. What does (in legal terms) is whether users have been denied a choice. MS got stung for this (rather as a bee stings an elephant) over IE, but the only outcome seems to have been the EU "Browser choice" screen. I doubt anything more will come out of this - except that the lawyers will earn some more money.

Finding out that Google is not a collection of wonderful altruistic coders who love puppies seems to be a shock to people. Get a grip - no company survives past it's first two years unless it is run by lawyers and accountants, no matter what it is offering. Once it is run as a business, it will do the same as everyone else and sail as close to the (legal) line as possible - generally going over it if the lawyers reckon they can get away with it or feel they have become so big they can't be allowed to lose (RIM anyone?)

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