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Inside the iPad mini: Pray you never have to open one

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Re: Related Headlines

I did not run the numbers and I do not own a 911 (unfortunately) but 45 minutes to drop the engine seems pretty sharp. I was expecting double that at least, based on less-sophisticated cars I had to deal with.

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Unhappy

Just a question

Is there a reason why you guys all post as anonymous?

Seriously, it sometimes looks like one of you anons want to discuss a separate point but in the end it's all lost in the generic anonymous soup.

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Re: wonder how long before they fix that?

My guess is, they won't. I don't have a horse in this sorry excuse for a steeple-chase, but Apple started that with their steady "the specs don't matter, we offer better user experience" stance* that they episodically spice up with "our specs are actually better than the competition's"**.

When the "leader" in the field engages in baseless banter, downright libel, and generalized bamboozlment (Apple vs Samsung anyone?***), you can't really blame the upcomers for trying a watered-down version of the same.

With the latest row of failed patent lawsuits all around the world including an upcoming major slap in the US, traditionnally its stronghold, Apple's new clothes seem more and more see-through to the rest of the industry, and I doubt that Amazon will ever back down even if the original claim proves false.

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* which may make sense, for a category of users I wish I could avoid. As for me I like to make my own "user experience", thank you very much.

** demonstrably wrong most of the time but you can't blame slimy marketting people for being slimy: that's what they are paid for. True for Apple's as for anyone else's.

*** not to mention the cherry-picked comparisons with a 5-month-old competitor product when launching a new gizmo... hello iPhone5, so you're saying you're kinda sorta better than an Galaxy S3 in some ways -most of which are design-based, some would say "slavishly" inspired by the "far more popular" S3-, and that's your main selling point, 5 month late in a year-based release market? Way to innovate.

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FAIL

Do people moan that their TV, Microwave, Dishwashers are hard to open and repair? nope.

TVs, microwave (ovens) and dishwashers are a doodle to open and repair with a standard set of screwdrivers and a multimeter. It may not be worth the hassle since the cost of the replacement part may exceed the cost of buying a new unit, but still technically extremely easy. There is actually a whole lot of semi-charity businesses that specialize in collecting "dead"/outdated appliances, getting them repaired by unskilled, minimally-trained ex-prisonners, ex-hobos or disabled people, and selling the repaired units at low cost. Their "catalogs" usually include TVs, microwave ovens, stoves, dishwashers, washing machines, dryers, vacuum cleaners, and the like. They get around the issue of the cost of replacement parts by taking working parts out of dead units to fix the less-dead ones. Any minimally-trained hobo provided with a screwdriver, a multimeter and a soldering iron can do it (and yes, the result is dependable; that's how I got all my appliances when I was a student).

That is also how I get the lab's rather more high-tech equipment going in these times of scarce funding (but that takes a "bit" more knowledge than what is needed to repair a dishwasher).

There is a significant overlap between the "Save-Mother-Gaya" category of people and the "If it's 3 years old it goes to the bin" category of people, and a lot of the overlap is comprised of Apple apologists.

What was your point again?

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auto-fail Re: Small screws, you say?

Oh the typos, they are hurting. Can't be arsed to withdraw and repost so deal with it.

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Small screws, you say?

Most of these screws look several times bigger than what you usually have to cope with when taking a camera appart. Not to mention watches.

Before you ask, yes, I do own a dissection microscopes for these purposed; my sight is not what it used to be -mostly due to, well dealing with small screws and their murine counterparts- and old dissection microscopes can often be spared a grim end in the skip in my line of work.

As for the sneezing issue: a few strong magnets are indeed useful as temporary strorage docks for the little fuckers.

Sony promotes Vita with QUAD-JUBBED WOMAN

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Re: "balcon" (lit. balcony) is used to refer to a prominent pair.

Only in the expression "il y a du monde au balcon" (roughly "this balcony is crowded") which can mean either "nice pair" or "that push-up bra is a bit too much" (or both, as it happens).

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Re: Ahhh, the French

Sorry, almost forgot "lolos", "obus" and "boules" (the latter only encountered in Quebec I think).

I'm sure I forgot a few others...

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RE: ordinary bras are fiddly enough

What are you banging on about? I never had any trouble. All unfasten in less than 3 seconds, with one hand; and that's with the other hand otherwise occuppied and most of the blood supply diverted away from the brain.

The most common variety unfastens in a fraction of a second by just pinching the 2 sides together (possibly with a slight sliding motion in the most "fiddly" cases). If you do it right she won't even notice until it begins to slide away.

But then again, I actually AM French...

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Headmaster

Re: Ahhh, the French

"Nichon" is the only french mammary colloquialism I've come across.

Nichons nibards roberts roploplos miches (although that can also be used for the gluteus maximus), loches, ogives, pare-chocs, etc...

Slideshow: A History of Horror in 20 Scary Games

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Happy

Slideshow is by far the scariest game I've encountered... it has its place here!

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AID was the first ont that came to mind.

Then Diablo. Then Doom.

Special mention for nethack, wich would be first spot hands down if it wasn't possible to just get up and go get a nice cuppa in the knowledge that nothing will have changed in the meantime.

Another systematic SCADA vuln

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Re: To Paraphrase The Ogre (@Charles 9)

"And if you MUST have an external source because the device involved is not very easy to reach (involving time- and money-consuming procedures or lengthy travel)?"

Then rethink your organization. The control center for a big plant is NOT supposed to be easy to reach; it is however supposed to be SECURE. In that very case when choosing between ease of access and security, security should ALWAYS take precedence. When it comes to really important installations the only security worth anything at all is strong PHYSICAL security, as any full nose. That is why these facilities are packed with redundant PHYSICAL securities measures: fences, cameras, security guards, controlled-access doors etc.

By contrast, any system connected to the Internet is to be considered insecure, by design.

All SCADA system that I know of are designed with that in mind; so of course some may be vulnerable if a halfwit connects them to the wild Internet.

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Re: To Paraphrase The Ogre

We're talking SCADA, not webserver.

1) ensure that the system is fully insulated from any external source.

2) that is all.

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WTF?

"visible to the internet"

So we're talking huge plants, some of national security importance, all of them surrounded physically by big fences and barbed wires, with a small army of armed security guards. And with control systems open to the Internet because "Steve on the second floor likes to work from home on Fridays". And that is blamed on the SCADA. Seriously?

"Oh look this machine has a big red EMERGENCY STOP button, this is a vuln because anyone with access to the control room could stop the system!"

D'uh.

Hardly a SCADA vuln. These system were never meant to even come close to the internet.

Fans' loyalty questioned as iPhone popularity plummets

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FAIL

Re: More scam fake stats paid by Google and Microsoft...

"Google and Microsoft surely would love to get such a huge positive percentage."

Equip flail. Google and Microsoft don't rely on shipping handset. Samsung , Nokia etc... do. In their respective core markets Google and Microsoft have a near-100% fidelity rate. I mean come on, "google" is even a verb these days, and "PC" is synonymous to "MSWindows".

When it comes to selling phones, there is a big difference between Apple in one hand, and Samsung, Moto, and even Nokia as of late: Apple's business model relies almost entirely on branding and brand fidelity, whil Samsung and Moto ship utility handsets. Nokia used to rely on brand fidelity a lot (not as much as Apple does though) but they let that slip, big time, and that's the origin of their woes. For Nokia the fall began with a percepted lack of innovation and a percepted lack of listening to the users, that eroded brand fidelity. And now it seems that Apple's brand fidelity gets eroded because of a percepted lack of innovation and lack of listening o the users.

The writing is on the wall, now a quite energetic change of direction at Apple may save them frrom what happened to Nokia (once more dominant than Apple has ever been to date, now an average-to-minor player).

The recent changes in management may be just that.

Yahoo! will! ignore! 'Do! Not! Track!' from! IE10!

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Coat

undermining WHAT???

"Undermining American innovation"

I think you mean "overmining"...

Consumer group urges Aussies to spoof IP addresses

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Illegal?

IANAL, but is there a legal obligation to disclose your originating IP to all and sundry now? IP geolocation is merely a shortcut that Big Content uses to restrict access to content (often unfairly if you ask me), but that doesn't mean that you have to tell them your IP, does it? If they ask you where you are, and you lie, you may be on shaky grounds. But if they sneakily go and check a more or less accurate database behind your back they lose the right to demand accuracy from your end I would think.

In most advanced juridictions your IP is considered personnal information these days. Using your IP (personnal info) to determine your location without your permission (by checking a blantantly inaccurate database, no less) may fall under "unauthaurized use of personnal information". Actually, it very much should. Not sure what the legislation is like in Oz, but that should fly in the EU.

Agreed, that's pushing it a bit. But criminalizing IP spoofing (and I guess, VPN etc) is pushing it a LOT further.

Majority of humans still don't have a mobile

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Re: I am majority, biatch!

> But without a mobe how do you connect and manage your babies when you're not there?

The big'huns been trained to take care o'dsmall huns.

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I am majority, biatch!

So I am not abnormal then; as a cellphoneless person I stand with the majority of human beings. Now that's reassuring.

I wonder how my personnal 3 routers, 2 1400 VA UPS, and 10 active computers (including a pristine alphaserver still running its original tru64, 2 Ben Nanonotes and 2 Raspberry Pis) -all in a 50 sq. m. appartment- affect my normality rating...

Apple banishes Java from Mac browsers

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Re: Windows Update

>Most of the Linux distros seem to want you to reboot after update quite a lot of the time. I don't think many of them have taken enough brave pills to patch live running kernels yet.

That is wrong on so many levels that I don't know where to begin. Let's just say that both assertions are false and leave it at that, without entering the details of whether or when these "features" are a security and/or stability hazard.

'No cutting off people's internet based on secret evidence'

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Re: Data Protection Act!

That's all fine and dandy _if_ you know who is accusing you. Of what.

I don't know how it works in the UK but I received a nastygram from my ISP earlier this year saying that I had been reported to them as having shared some sort a file illegally; they did not identify who was the reporting party, saying that they did not disclose my name to them so they would not disclose theirs to me either, but I should know who was the right holder for the file. The file in question was some episode of an anime serie called airbender or something. In mandarin. All the evidence there was was an IP and the name of the file. Which, needless to say, I had never heard of.

Looking up the file on the web I found that it had been produced by a small company owned by a medium company partially owned by another medium company, more or less attached to a big group. Now who sent the report? Probably none of the companies I found, but a legal cabinet hired by one of them or by an association à la MPAA. Or possibly an independant dodgy cabinet (similar to ACS:Law). No way to know. Most probably the "research" was done by an israelian outfit hired by a USA-based legal cabinet acting on behalf of dog knows who. Who do send your request to? The MAFIAA and co. are prety well shielded from legal action.

LASER STRIKES against US planes on the rise

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> There are up to hundreds of people on these planes.

up to 853+crew* actually, but of course who can be bothered with doing a bit of research when "up to several" is good enough for a "hang them up" stance?

This place is becoming more and more like the Daily Mail comment section, only with more Merkins. And to say it was once a refuge for tech bods...

*feel free to discuss this number

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Re: Annoying brats (bis)

> A good followspot operator can do a pickup from dead straight onto a head-and-shoulder spot from several hundred meters away - one end of a stadium to the other. We use telescope sights for this as they don't affect night vision.

I'm sure it's true, but the minimum approach speed of, say a 747, seems to be 155 mph. A lot of that is going to be horizontal, but the cockpit widow is still a few square meters, and most of it at an angle that will just reflect the ray. Moving at a freaking minimum of 155 mph. I hope you're a good aim.

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Re: Annoying brats

> Sighting is relatively simple.

Oh no, simple it's not. It is feasible, but not simple. Certainly too expensive for the average joker. Certainly too expensive (and too easily spotable) to justify that kind of a report.

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Re: In China, amazingly CHEAP!

> I bought a bunch of 100mW Green laser modules at USD$10.05 each to make me a private 'ighthouse' so I could find my way home - the low tech way using my eyes.

erm

> These units are good for at least five kilometres at ground levels.

Which means? Obviously not direct light, so it must be "the diffraction light is visible from 5 km when the unit is pointed up". That's relevant to X-effects and finding your way home; irrelevant in the present case.

Actually the power rating and the effect reported suggest that your "100 mW laser modules" are composed of 20 bog-standard 5 mW laser diode each, with a "dangerous" range of a few hundred meters at most. The diffracted light would be visible from quite a distance, though... which brings us to the next point:

> A friend who on approach, as a passenger, flying our local airport said he could make out our house with ease - even though they were not pointed at the aircraft. He also said he knows when I am fishing!

And that, my friends, is why having at least high-school notions of physics can prevent you from looking like a tool. Lesson 1: learn what LASER actually means. Lesson 2: diffraction, reflection and related *tions.

Lrn2physics...

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Annoying brats

Yes it is a simulated picture, yes the chances of hitting the cockpit of an airliner from ground outside of the airport's fences are extremely thin (there is absolutely no reflection to ajust your aim; unless you have some sort of self-made sight, from the ground you have absolutely no reference to adjust your aim and hit the cockpit).

But statistically, if enough dickhead keep trying, then it becomes likely. That's the beauty of statistics: one dickheak has utterly negligible chances of doing any harm at all, but given an infinite number of dickheads, the probability of something very bad happenning reaches 1. Thus, the number of dickheads has to be kept in check.

The diameter calculation is, I think, utterly bogus. It would be true is the cockpit window was optically perfect and if the bog-standard red laser pointer was not completely inefficient over a hundred meters or so (as it is: humidity in the atmosphere is unforgiving to the stray laser signal). As I see it, the danger is with a high-class laser pointer (not the $1 variety; probably the $50 one) hitting a heavily-scratched cockpit window (as they tend to be) at short range (certainly not several miles).

In that scenario, the still-powerful laser ray would stand a chance to hit the cockpit window. The laser ray at that point is still quite narrow, but the imperfections and scratches on the cockpit window would spread it and allow it to flash the eyes of the entire crew indeed.

In any case, trying to flash airplanes with a laser pointer is akin to throwing eggs to cars from a highway bridge: un-fucking-tolerable.

US unemployment dips below 8 per cent, but IT sector takes a hit

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Re: No it didn't

And of course that is also quite liberally underestimated. How many hours a week is the minimum to be considered "employed"? Yes, I thought so.

Apple threatens to ruin peace worldwide with voice-controlled iMacs

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Re: Yell?

> Its already there, it's been there since Mountain Lion came out.

It's been there since the early eighties (probably before). The only thing "new" here is the "contextual" bit, which is both utterly obvious, and, well, not new at all actually My voice-operated computer already knows where it is and what time it is and uses that in some commands. Nothing new there, move along.

Also, unless you have a very severe disability (such as, no hands), it is mostly useless in a work environment. Even blind people will be much better off with a Braille keyboard. Voice recognition takes a lot of time to train, is never really completely reliable due to different intonations, medical condition (who never gets a cold), ambient noise etc...

In my experience, for work, nothing beats the keyboard. Then there's the mouse, then pretty much any other input method in existence, and then at the very very bottom of the efficiency/reliability list, proudly stands voice recog. Only useful where no other option is available.

Of course when you can't type (lack of functionnal hands, already busy driving, or PHBitis), then voice recog becomes useful, but if you're using it to edit a mission-critical database then you'd rather have a good backup system. And that's regardless of the efficiency of the voice recog software: natural language is just not logical enough for most computer-related tasks (text dictation excluded, except when you catch a cold of course).

Here we go again: Critical flaw found in just-patched Java

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Re: 2 birds with one stone (@ Ignazio)

> If one language really leaves such a deep mark, then there are problems with the programmer.

Not really, no. Compare that to natural speech. Your mother thongue does shape your way of thinking. That's so deep that it's the main reason why deaf people have so much more trouble to adapt in society than blind people.

> My teacher used to say: you're supposed to pick up a new language in two weeks tops.

That's probably the most retarded thing in this thread. It takes years to really master a programming language, and everyone knows that. I'm of course not talking "hello world" here.

She was wrong about many things but not on this.

> Oh yes she was, and so are you.

> On the other hand, I haven't seen any details on why you think Java is a retarded language.

> Why and compared to what?

Interesting question really. It has nothing to do with the language actually. Java is quite good. Not stellar, but not too ugly. It just has an utterly broken governance system, which leads to the current situation where some of the most active contributors are just denied a license to use it, and the Big Boss can't be arsed to fix basic vulns.

Also, Java is basically a scripting language that is used -badly- by many where a compiled language would be needed. Of course that has nothing to do with the language itself, it's just a problem with the morons using it.

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Re: Buying Sun was...

"Trying to find an alternative to Virtualbox?"

if you are flush VMWare stuff is just much better than VirtualBox. Like, much, much, much better. They don't even compare. At the very least one order of magnitude difference in speed.

If you are short in cash but are using hardware that supports virtualisation QEMU comes reasonnably close to VirtualBox in terms of speed and ease of use. Certainly much closer than VirtualBox is to VMWare. I for one moved all my personnal VirtualBox machines over to QEMU the instant "VirtualBox" became "Oracle VirtualBox" (yes, I very much dislike Oracle and its habit to screw over customers. In that case Oracle's official roadmap including removal of a lot of base I/O features from the free version did it for me. They kept their word, too.). Not looking back so far.

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Re: Does this only affect the Oracle (ex-Sun) JVM? There are others...

I remember reading somewhere that some of the previous bugs (or similar) did exist in at least one other JVM (an OSS one) but had been squashed when they were found. I cannot remember where I read it or which JVM, so you might want to do some fact-checking, but there you have it.

As this new one apparently arises from Oracle's poor patch, they should be specific to Oracle's JVM.

I did not really check seriously though, as I try to avoid using Java whenever possible -still have it installed on most of my machines, natch- and I would certainly never allow it to run within a web browser, ever.

(I know, some persons kind of have to, but in that case I made my own luck really: that was one of my criteria when choosing a bank, and I did rewrite some stuff at work -in python mostly, and I had a webmonkey bake some PHP also. He dislikes Java as much as I do so it did not take much persuasion, I just gave him an excuse in case someone higher up the food chain would throw a hissy fit over it. And yes, I know, Python and PHP are not perfect yadda yadda yadda. Watch me not giving the slightest hint of a fuck. At least they're not Oracle's, to list only the top reason)

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Re: Also, no Freenet.

From what I understand these holes exist when running java code from a web browser. With Freenet you are essentially running a proxy, so your browser does't need to run any java code. Just disable java in the browser (or use a simple java-less browser like dillo or even w3m, linx etc). Although Freenet does suffer a lot from being written in Java (well, it's a pig to run to begin with).

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Re: 2 birds with one stone

"Surely the job of a programming course is to teach the fundamentals of programming, etc. The language(s) used are likely to be choosen to make teaching those fundamentals easier.

Do you really think students will finish a programming course and never learn another language ever again ?"

While it may be true on paper, in reality every language has its quirks and oddities and the first laguage you learn does have an influence on how you think about problems, and how you solve them. Of course you can learn new languages, and perhaps shift views as a result, but it's certainly far from instant and one could argue that you will never completely lose the reflexes induced by your first language. I have this co-worker, when reading his code in any language you can just see that he is trying to emulate GOTO every couple tens of lines or so. Yes, that's a pain. But who am I to judge? My code probably has a lot of quirks that annoy him as well.

Also, when virtually everyone knows a language it tends to be used, regardless of the merits of said language. And when students have spent the past couple years programming almost exclusively in java, what language do you think they'll pick for a new project (if given the choice)?

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Re: Stop slapping at symptoms!

I second that, but to be honest Java started to smell like a "resting" fish long before Oracle came in to liberally add another layer of fail to it.

(BTW the current situation is exactly why RMS and others were warning people against Java since the dawn of time, only to be seen as loonie zealots by too many people. Well, guess who was right -again!)

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2 birds with one stone

So it may decrease Java usage AND it annoys Oracle?

I'm just glad I'm not one of the poor chaps who will have to rewrite heaps of bad code in another, less retarded language.

Unfortunately the CS classes all around the world will probably continue to consist mostly of Java for several years.

Catapults, subsidies, and benefits: Bongonomics explained

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What ever happened to "synergy"?

Is it not hip anymore? Similarly, I did not spot a single instance of "proactive". I must be getting old.

Samsung to offer Apple Dock style Start Button in Windows? Really?

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WTF?

Apple's dock?

It doesn't look like Apple's dock very much, actually. And it doesn't function like it either. The only common point is it has icons at the bottom of the screen. Big fucking deal, a lot of desktop environments have that, and had it before AppleOS did. If that's a prank from Mashable it's a bad one. They could have made up something that actually resembles Apple's dock.

Judge gives Google until Friday to dish on paid media

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@Turtle Re: "Cluelessness in re: Impossible"

> The "cluelessness" - as usual, I must add - is strictly yours.

Somehow I don't think so. As usual, I might add. Just to fit in with the clueless-ad-hominem-attack-fan-kiddie crowd. I heard it's hip these days amongst tech-illitterate kids.

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Re: Impossible (re:self interest)

"They rely on the open source community for their products."

Indeed, they do, heavily, both of them (and Oracle more than Google, actually). But only one of them is giving anything back, and that ain't Oracle.

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Impossible

Google funds the open sorce community heavily. The moving landscape in open source means that almost everyone could have benefitted directly or indirectly from Google's mony. Almost all of the community is also composed of (occasionnal) bloggers and commenters. Any or all of them may have commented on the case.

Hell, if you really want to go that way, anyone having used Chrome or any Mozilla-derived software, or any piece of modern open source software, may be considered as having benefitted indirectly from Google's mollah.

Even further: virtually every blogger or commenter used (knowingly or not:thing servers and network) at least a piece of open source software partially funded by Google (via the Google summer of code or other studentships for example, if not by direct donation). So you could consider that every single blogger or commenter on the case indeed benefitted fron Google's money. So where do you draw the line? The judge is being clueless here.

Either Google directly paid people to comment on the case (as Oracle does with Mueller) or they don't. It appears that they do not. End of.

HP posts $8.9bn loss on slow sales, charges in Q3

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HP. Oh yeah.

Oh wait, I meant "Ho no".

The price is great, but the hardware ain't..

For garden-variety computing and desktop stuff I would buy HP with my eyes (semi)-closed because they got the "bang for the buck" factor quite right.

For mission-critical stuff and fiddly applications, there is no barge with a long enough pole.

In my experience they rely far too much on higher-layer protocol robustness, which is an acceptable tradeoff in some cases, but can (and does) cause problems in some cases. Lousy USB controllers, I'm looking at you (amongst others).

Office 2013 to eat own file-format dog food

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Re: it does work with the version Fihart mentions (@ AC)

> it does work with the version Fihart mentions: ◦Microsoft Word 2000 with Service Pack 3, Microsoft Excel 2000 with Service Pack 3, and Microsoft PowerPoint 2000 with Service Pack 3

You surely noticed that this is only one of the 2 versions that Filhart mentions, and then again only with the latest service pack for this version. I'll be reasonnable and admit that very few people would have genuine reasons NOT to get the latest service pack for their soft, and that even less people would still be using Word III, but that's still less than stellar in terms of compat.

> Came late? was installed here for older version of office when office 2007 came out [...]

MS was using format incompatibilities as a leverage to force upgrade long before MSOffice 2007 came out.

> Compatibility, yep, some problems with word 2000 with scripting in the documents.

"some problems"? That's a way to put it. "Utterly broken" is another one. Not that it makes much of a difference from when scripting in MSOffice is _not_ broken, mind. That's not a big problem, these are things you would _expect_ not to be backward compatible.

I was more thinking about formatting issues, comments (and other newfangled stuff) disappearing, and the occasional random crash. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but from my (admitedly anecdotic) experience with genuine users, opening incompatible MSOffice docs with LO or OOo and saving to a compatible version is usually more reliable than using MS' own compatibility patch. Especially when the start and destination versions are far appart.

DISCLAIMER: somes users may have come to me only after their nephew-installed compatibility patch failed to do the job, so it is possible (although unlikely) that the LibreOffice conversion step would have failed in some of the instances when MS' own compatibility pack actually did the job. It is also possible that Elton John is not gay.

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@ Bruno Girin

"Saving as PDF gimmicky? I beg to differ: I use it all the time for documents for which I am the only author but that I want customers to be able to open. Invoices for instance are a typical use case: I create they invoice, they read it (and hopefully pay me), PDF is ideal for that sort of use cases and LibreOffice produces flawless output."

PDF output is not entirely without use, I agree. The example you give is a quite poor one though. PDF is widely used for quotations and invoices only because of the need to some bureaucracies to keep a paper copy of everything (which, in _some_ cases, makes sense), AND he common misconception that PDF cannot be tampered with. In hard technical facts an "informal" GPG/PGP or MIME- signed (optionally, encrypted using the same techniques, if confidentiality is an issue) pure-text email is much more secure and much, much smaller than any PDF.

Moreover, when collaboration is limited or absent and PDF output is wanted, non-WYSIWYG systems are far more reliable than so-called "office" suites. I'm thinking LaTeX of course, but also lout (which I use the most these days as it produces flawless PS, is extremely small, and extremely easy to script, extend, or otherwise customize).

Saving as PDF is useful for presentations and/or brochures that are not to be printed. But again, it is far from flawless, as the PDF format is remarquably vague, so it sometimes happen that you get PDF documents with embedded graphics that just cannot be displayed on a regular computer because of silly DPI specifications (usually more of a problem with printing than with viewing, some printers have little memory). More often even, you get PDFs writen in a combination of exotic fonts (as text, not as graphics), but DO NOT include any info about the fonts used besides the name, so every other character looks like a comic strip insult when viewed on any machine but the one it was created on. Very practical, I can tell you.

PS, yes. PDF, just asking for trouble in the hands of the clueless masses. Although LO's (and before that, OOo's) default PDF output is quite near to flawless, as noted above by someone else.

Therefore, I maintain that PDF output in an "office" WYSIWYG suite is mostly gimmicky. But still nice to have.

ElReg!comments!Pierre

Re:"Microsoft Office Compatibility Pack for Word, Excel, and PowerPoint File Formats"

It came late, doesn't work for the versions of MSOffice that Fihart mentions, and does not always work properly.

But at a pinch it will do, I guess.