* Posts by John Smith 19

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SpaceX Falcon 9 flameout leaves commercial satellite in wrong orbit

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Joke

Re: Manned spaceflight

"And WWII was justified as a publicity stunt to promote Vera Lynn's latest single"

It worked great but she was totally screwed by her management.

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Re: "I blame you for the moonlit sky and the dream that died with the eagles' flight."

During the Apollo era NASA funding was roughly 5% of US GDP (at a time when the USG was involved for a decade in a little unpleasantness in Vietnam)

Today the *whole* NASA budget is 0.5% of GDP. c$18Bn.

The US spends $27Bn on home *pizza* delivery.

The DoD spends $40Bn on the aircon for overseas military bases.

F9/Dragon Cargo, Antares/Cygnus, Dragon Crew, SNC Dream Chaser and Boeing CTS100 (regardless of which ones are funded) will return US *independent* crew and cargo transfer to ISS (as well as *potentially* putting the US back on the list of countries would consider *affordable* for their satellite launches) for a cost to date of (roughly) 2 yrs Shuttle support costs.

They may *also* open up the field of staying at *non* government orbital sites and the idea of orbital "servicing" of satellites to extend their lives, bringing Hubble style life expectancy and upgrades to comms sats and other users.

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Re: Insurance

"To attract lower premiums, the insurance groups would have to have better confindence in it than e.g. Ariane 5, which has 50 consecutive launch sucesses. Surviving with an engine out doesn't help if you didn't manage to deliver the payload."

That is specifically "primary" payload, which was Dragon in this case. The fact it not only *survived* an engine failure (violent but not technically an actual explosion) and has not just got to orbit but the *correct* orbit will definitely have both sat users and insurers paying attention.

*Secondary* payloads may have *no* insurance (student payloads) and just build an extra payload and/or accept that in the event of trouble the *primary* payload gets priority for emergency responses. It's like a "stand by" air ticket. Best effort but *no* guarantees. May not happen at all or outcome very different from ideal.

Note that it was NASA's concern about their not being enough stage 2 propellant to do a *complete* burn to get Orbcomm into the right orbit *without* it (or the stage) ending up on a collision course with the ISS (sounds like a plot from Thunderbirds) that stopped it happening.

None of this is a spur of the moment thing and Orbcomm should have been *fully* aware it could happen and have contingency plans for it.

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Re: Manned spaceflight

"In fact I am pretty sure if we tried to go the moon again today we might not even be able to do it. "

Which suggests you have no idea that NASA has been running a programme to do *just* that.

Do you actually know *anything* about the recent and current US space programme?

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Re: Manned spaceflight

"So apart from wasting $billions subsidizing Boeing to make up for the end of the cold war, being used as an excuse to spend more $billions keeping the Shuttle flying to keep a few senators with Nasa facilities happy - the ISS serves no useful purpose."

Wrong.

Without ISS and the fact the Shuttle has been retired there would be *no* reason to go anywhere in low earth orbit for the US.

Meaning there would be *no* reason for the USG to partially fund new launch vehicles, cargo and (ultimately) crew carriers *not* owned, operated and managed by NASA for their *exclusive* use.

Which breaks the NASA *monopoly* on carrying people into space in the US.

Which could start a whole *new* industry of transporting people into LEO, given Virgin Galactic signed up 5000 early seats for just a *sub* orbital flight.

Why will UK web supersnoop plan cost £1.8bn? That's a secret

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WTF?

But it will enable the govt to make £500m/yr in "savings"

Says so in the report so it *must* be true.

And if you think that £180m is unjustified try finding out where those "savings" come from.

*Perhaps* they expect to avoid the cost of another 7/7 event *every* year, but £500m sounds a bit low for *all* the trouble 7/7 caused (although Argentinian electricians are quite to replace I hear).

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Re: And the only people to be effected by the system...honest law abiding citizens

"(to be subsequently resold by PC Bent of the Met to NewsCorp!)"

Well a policeman's salary is not what it was!

IIRC the going rate for car license plates was £200.

What will be the price for you "A. Celebrities" phone/landline/email message traffic data for say the 3 months they were seeing someone when their spouse was filming that movie?

Or perhaps just the location of that spouse who had the *audacity* to go into hiding because you had to administer some "tough love" to them and they ended up in the hospital?

Of course those "services" will not be available to the general public.

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Re: They have no plan

"Where the bulk of the cash is going to go is very well hidden."

You can do what Duncan Campbell did at the New Statesman when he wanted to profile the new (early 80's) MI5 Registry system.

Work out a rough idea of what's needed and who would be *trusted* to supply it. At that time that was ICL

Then study the Computer Weekly staff wanted adds to get a feel for the scale of the operation.

In this case I'd suggest you start with BAe Systems subsidiary Dettica.

Before they start with you of course.

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"Anyway... I recon £2billion is more of a yearly budget."

Nope. £1.8Bn over 10 yrs is what they *claim*.

But they *also* claim this will lead to *savings* of £500m to the govt.

I'm unaware of *anyone* explaining that one.

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Re: uh-uh

"oh dear, this is going to mushroom, like no other gov project has mushroomed before.

But you won't know about it.

The Labor Govt IMP was described as "The *biggest* civilian UK govt IT programme *ever* from its *inception*, not like the NHS IT programme (about £5Bn to start with but ended *up* about what £11Bn? £12Bn?

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Re: How they got £1.8Bn

"Anyone who thinks that it'll be able to actually look at (or even want to look at) the content of the messages is either an idiot or maybe just likes to make up wild accusations that have no basis in fact for what ever reason."

Or is using AC to float a strawman argument.

The Bill lists "communications data"

Which includes source *and* destination addresses for email, mobile phone and landline phones. Email headers etc.

And of course *where* that mobile phone (minimum of nearest tower ID but if it's got lat & long coordinates they'll take that as well) will also be recorded.

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The Reg gave a figure for the new Labor Interception Modernization Programme* under her Wackness

It was somewhere near £8-11Bn IIRC.

*I rather suspect run by the same team at the CCIP unit.

Different pols, *same* policy, same data fetishists.

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Oh, you though this is about actually catching the *real* terrorist threat.

Silly fellow.

Bureaucracies feel threatened by *citizens* or "subjects".

It targets their *real* enemy.

You.

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Re: "That's a secret"

"£1.8bn seems a bit low for what they're intending. "

That's the bit they will be paying the ISP's to look after the (probably) Dettica supplied snoop boxes.

The GCHQ bit is *really* secret.

It will be *much* higher

BTW IIRC it's common for Govt IT projects to be 3x their *initial* estimate.

Big Blue bigwig: Tiny processor knobs can't shrink forever

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Re: That's 2D thinking, what about 3D

What a brilliant idea.

Perhaps you should look up Gene Amdahl & Trilogy to see how well that idea worked out.

ISS crew fling out arm, grab SpaceX Dragon capsule

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Re: One step closer

"Finally! Now we need another enterprise (no pun intended) to step up and begin competing with SpaceX. We so need for space flight to be not only commercially viable but also affordable for space tourism. "

That will not happen until 2017 *unless* NASA gets a *much* bigger chunk of cash.

The Oribital Sciences Corp Antares/Cygnus launch vehicle and capsule are neither crew rated nor designed for re-entry.

So if any Merkins want that they'd better contact their local Congressmen and Senators and tell them they want the CCiCap programme fully funded at the Presidents requested level.

Lunar water-prospecting rover rolls closer towards launch

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That cost in perspective

$1.8m Kg may sound high but according to a report on increasing the payload of the Saturn V (Logsdon & Africano) the cost per unit mass to put a unit of mass in Lunar orbit was more than the equivalent in Gold at the time.

They were able to increase Saturn payload by 5% *without* major hardware changes.

Interestingly this is about $35k/Kg about 1/51 that of Gold.

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A fine notion

But have you not heard the Moon is a harsh mistress?

USAF declassifies ‘flying saucer’ design

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$6.168m *not* modest.

IIRC compound inflation since that time puts the current cost at something like *several* $100m

You'd need to see the approximate budget for the SR71 (which roughly dates from that time).

SpaceX confirms Falcon rocket suffered engine flame-out

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Re: Good and bad news

Try nearer 1 in 43. Anomaly (valve slightly slow to open) <> equal to major premature engine shutdown.

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Re: Though

"It depends on the relative probability of "the failure in an engine which takes everything with it" vs. "the failure in an engine which just shuts the engine down"."

Not so.

In addition to the engine out F9 has each engine *enclosed* in a Kevlar blast shield, somewhat like the nacelle of a jet engine on commercial aircraft.

But the engine did *not* explode. Spacex state the engine was running and experienced a pressure rise, which blew out some panels *designed* to relieve that pressure.

However the revised trajectory seems to have been *much* less efficient and so the 2nd stage had to burn more to compensate for the losses, stuffing the plan to plan to place the Orbcomm satellite in its planned orbit (but it's still working).

Don't panic, but UK faces BLACKOUTS BY 2015

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"Security of electricity supply"

I seem to recall that that *obligation* was removed from both major generators when they were sold off.

I hope I'm wrong.

Target Silicon Valley: Why A View to a Kill actually made sense

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I think Ian Fleming would have loved the plot.

Psychotic businessmen doing anything for a buck. Check.

Hi tech. Check

Nazis. Check.

Who can forget the moment self made amnesiac Liverpudlian superalloys magnate Hugo Drax is unmasked as a fanatical Nazi paratroop officer ( explaining his complete ignorance of Liverpool, lack of accent and presumably unwillingness to wear a shell suite) on a revenge tip.

It's not a coat. It's a dinner jacket.

SpaceX's Falcon places Dragon in desired orbit

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A few notes

There was an event about 80 secs into the flight and Spacex confirm early shutdown of 1 engine. It looks like debris was released so *may* have been an explosion.

F9 flight computer recalculated trajectory and burn and carried on without skipping a beat.

Slightly more problematical was the Orbcomm sat that was in the Dragon trunk. It's been deployed but it's not clear if it was at full design altitude.

Note Musk *real* achievement is not making a new LOX/Kero rocket. Like Henry Ford its a *vision* and an understanding of the benefits of *highly* integrated manufacture, serial production and configuration management have on *costs*. Dull stuff compared to the drama of *current* space launches but vital in making future ones *cheap* enough to operate on the scale he wants.

It *could* have been done 20 years ago (without the destination) if someone who was not a govt or a govt con-tractor *cared*.

They didn't. He did.

Deep-sea worm recalls Star Wars favourite

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Good night America

I hope you feel the future of federal funding on Space, Science and Technology is in good hands.

Because I don't.

Wikipedia boss Jimmy Wales marries Kate Garvey

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Is it just me

Or did the bride have a deer-in-the-headlights look in her eyes?

Sort of "All I remember was being passed this glass of wine at Davos and..."

Seriously I'm sure the couple will be very happy together, look wonderful, very well matched etc etc.

BTW "Diary Secretary" in political office carries a lot of weight.

Martin Boorman was Hitler's for example.

Feds charge US firm with smuggling illegal military tech to Russia

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Re: America Is The New Soviet Union

How intriguing.

By passed the standard icon.

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Re: I thought the cold war was over? Like, 20 years ago??

It's called ITAR and it's hit the US aerospace industry for several $Bn. There are drafts before both houses to lighten their grip but they seem to being killed by a Republican congressman. The CoCom regulations and the "Export Control List" still seem to be very much in business.

The rules AFAIK have *never* gone away despite "The end of the Cold War" as people like to think of it.

That said at the component level how much is *not* dual use?

They would not be the first company driven into bankruptcy fighting a Federal court case (EG Austin Code Works).

Astroboffins to search for mega-massive alien power plants

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Dyson spheres have *other* benefits

As Bob Shaw note they have *huge* surface area, so you'd have to work very hard to run out of living space.

And all structures make statements about their builders. A Dyson sphere (like the one in Orbitsville) says

Know our power.

Although as others have noted the structural stresses of a *true* sphere, rather than a (large) number of panels would be immense. While it's quite likely any such builders would have more compact power sources available having a growing population might be a more pressing issue *assuming* you have an expansionist culture. The amount of solar energy captured by the part of a single planet facing a sun at any given point in its orbit is *tiny". Run the calculation for our Sun and just the amount *wasted* by radiation out of the ecliptic hitting *no* planets in the Solar system is immense.

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Re: Some Big Assumptions

"Why do these theories always assume that Aliens think like we do on earth? Or rather like the person thinking up the theory. "

Because it's the only model we've got, perhaps?

New science: seas will rise due to CO2 ... but not for centuries

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Re: Way to go Lewis.......

"http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091215173144.htm"

Excellent and very interesting article. Thumbs up.

It would seem if people are *really* keen to slow down glacier movement they need to identify the biggest under glacier channels (moulins?) the melt and lake water is flowing inside and tap them when the pressure in them is too great and the *whole* glacier lifts off the bed rock and slides on a layer of water.

Which is a pretty big job.

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"at least one assumption that may not be at all valid: namely, that there are no tipping points in this process that would dramatically change the rate of sea-level rise once passed. "

That is a fair point.

"Oh, that's right, you can't, because they burned up on re-entry, despite the fact that the best mathematical models predicted that the damage to their heat shields shouldn't have been enough to put them at risk."

No. The models predicted no damage from being *hit* by a piece of foam. Leading edge damage was expected to be lethal.

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Re: Of course this is a *computer* model of the climate.

"1. A model is by definition incomplete. If it were complete, it would be the thing it models."

Something climate modellers might make more of an effort to remind people of.

"Revision is the process of making changes to a model based on evidence that the model is not producing accurate results. "

It's not that I don't understand what it is. It's the fact that climate modellers seem to be rather slow in *doing* it, or acknowledging that it *needs* to be done.

"Setting aside your unscientific and unfounded pejorative term "fudge","

A "fudge","fiddle" or "safety" factor has a long and valuable history has a long and cherished history in *engineering*.

One of the New York bridges built in the 19th century was built with a safety factor of 6 because the designer knew there were forces he could not model but could guess the *size* of. It's still standing, many of its contemporaries are not.

But that's engineering, *not* science. Especially not science which calls for multi $Bn changes in energy, housing and transport policy.

Historically both biochemistry and astronomy have had good track records of getting together and agreeing either nationwide or worldwide goals. In the 1950's and 60's IIRC conferences at Cold Spring Harbour (US) set the research agenda and allocated specific projects to various labs to make progress faster. In astronomy "decadal surveys" are carried out to decide which objectives should be pursued across the *whole* community.

"or that there is a good chance that either the observations or the results are being manipulated to produce the "perfect" match."

I'd quite agree. I'd be *exceptionally* suspicious of any "scientist" whose reaction to the request to release the base data was "I'm not going to do that as you're only trying to find holes in the work." I'd suspect in fact 1) Their data analysis chain was FUBAR and they could not re-construct how they got to their result (incompetent but not fraudulent) or 2) They made the results up in the first place.

PS. Real commentards use HTML.

I date from a time when HTML input was rare and not entirely trustworthy.

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Re: As a matter of interest, How DO you measure (or even define) sea level?

"As a matter of interest, How DO you measure (or even define) sea level? "

It's called the "geoid"

I think there's a nice bit about it in the AIP Physics & Chemistry Handbook.

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Of course this is a *computer* model of the climate.

Should we trust this one more than others?

Although an interesting sidelight on these is the admission that "The polar ice sheets are not normally included into projections due to computational constraints, whilst researchers often find it difficult to account for the 200 000 individual glaciers that are found all over the world in very different climatic settings."

Perhaps explaining a little more *why* their results have not always matched physical reality.

Real scientists treat *systematic* differences between their models and reality as a clue their model is *incomplete*, and needs revision, not something to add (yet another) fudge factor to.

Whopping supersonic-car rocket rattles idyllic Cornwall

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Re: Makes me sad

"The HTP technology that we used to launch our only satellite was a development of the technology we picked up from the Germans after WWII."

It's debatable. the original German HTP was fairly poor by many accounts.

BTW the HTP pump is (amazingly) an *upgraded* Black Arrow pump from the UK's only orbital launch vehicle.

The Cosworth engine is however *fully* British.

Scottish brainiacs erect wee super-antenna

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so *possibly* worlds smallest phased array antenna.

Popular with ABM early warning radars but not really practical on mobile phones until now

Perhaps.

Clever stuff is that the elements (there would have to be at *least* two) are optimizing transmission signal for both *gross* movement (you in vehicle with phone on) and *attitude* (switch to headset and put phone in side pocket for example). One might be *relatively* slow, the other fairly fast. Tapping the phones accelerometer/magnetic compass/whatever might help here. It's the *rate* at which the settings have to be calculated and changed (for the power budget) that makes it a bit of a b***er.

As others have pointed out a *lot* hinges on weather the power saved in transmission is > power used to compute power/phase of transmitting elements *and* does it need additional controller chips, or is it licensible IP you can include on your master controller chip or software that runs on its CPU.

Liquefied-air silos touted as enormo green 'leccy batteries

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Re: Penny wise, pound foolish.

"I agree, this reminds me of the TATA compressed air car. T"

Compressed air systems store energy by using work = change in volume x change in pressure.

Normally one is held constant (typically the fixed volume of the tank) and the change in pressure drives the pistons/turbines/whatever.

Compressing air makes it *hotter* which for a compressed air engine is *better*. As the air is used to drive an engine it gets *colder* possibly to the point it goes to liquid which is a *bad* thing in CA engines.

This system stores energy in a *phase* not a pressure change. Phase changes can store *huge* amounts of energy without ever rising stress in the tank (bigger power needs *much* higher peak pressure tanks while bigger liquid air tanks are relatively simple and its the dead weight they are carrying). Where the amount of pressure you get from your compressed air tank *falls* as the tank empties (and the heat you need to dump into *rises* the volume change of liquid air -> gaseous air remains *constant* (providing the warming temperature remains constant. The volume change from LOX to LO2 is roughly 1:700, contrast with a diesel engine of something like 1:50.

Phase change is the basis of *all* steam power plants. The amount of energy stored in the temperature rise of water (like the temperature fall of air) is *trivial* compared to the energy gained (or lost) in a phase change.

So it might sound like a compressed air engine to you except it isn't.

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Re: "A nuclear power station @AC 11:58

Looking at the 2nd graph I note the biggest shift in production comes from "Hydraulique" which I presume would include the rhone barrage as well as the rest of the French Hydroelectric schemes.

Occam's razor suggests use the *simplest* to control system rather than the most complex.

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Re: @proto-robbie

"You are welcome to your opinion as to the beauty of wind, personally I find them quite elegant. "

It's the <26% duty cycle (for onshore wind) and the fact *something* (probably connected to a fossil fuel supply) that will have to take up the slack I find rather ugly.

Although I've heard their low frequency/high amplitude noise output is pretty irritating as well.

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Re: Penny wise, pound foolish.

"Pure gas is a little better, but in the end the thermal dynamic losses of the compression/decompression cycle render it useless for energy storage."

You might like to read the article a little more carefully.

What is being proposed is liquifaction *not* compression.

Now Space Station forced to DODGE flying Japanese junk

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*lots* of little objects

Note *very* small objects can cause *serious* damage. The Shuttle windshields regularly took surface damage (the structure is 3 layers deep) and on at least 1 occasion got through 2 layers.

These could be as small as paint "flecks"

The *ideal* rubbish collector would cause the stuff to de-orbit (it's *very* unlikely any stuff this size would survive and be literally vaporized before it reached the ground) without consumables.

1 possible way would be to give the object a surface charge and rely on their motion at right angles to the Earth's magnetic field to convert motion into either an upward or downward (deeper into the atmosphere) movement. Trouble is an electron gun would gain as much +ve charge as the object acquired -ve charge. Not necessarily a problem provide it was much bigger and in a higher orbit. IIRC Lasers have also been suggested to surface ionise such objects without the laser being charged in turn.

Another *serious* (I think The Aerospace Corp suggested it) idea was a satellite with a gas tank. Flying ahead of the debris cloud the sat releases a *precisely* timed gas burst (pretty much anything should be viable) ahead of the cloud. Before the gas disperses the cloud is suddenly flying (at about M23) through an "atmosphere" that is 100 (1000?) times denser and either vaporizes or decelerates and falls to a lower orbit (where it should decelerate further).

Will anyone get *funding* to deal with this rather dull (until some $Bn DoD bird gets hit of course) problem?

Probably not.

NIST crowns next-gen hash algorithm Keccak as official SHA-3

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Re: > Official US approval of an encryption scheme is never a good thing.

" for many years the NSA alteration to DES was thought to be such a case but in fact what they did was to strengthen it - "

Possibly.

They then proceeded to claim the 56 bit key (developed to run on 1970s technology) was *still* secure 20 yrs later until the EFF *built* hardware to demonstrate a brute force crack was viable.

I wrote the first paper within a company that used a DES variant warning this its security must be viewed as suspect.

Note that it is an *algorithm* that has been approved, not an implementation. A black box software implementation could have *any* number of trapdoors built into, just like *any* closed source piece of software.

Oz gov to test ‘all renewable’ options

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*potentialy* a huge asset in demonstrating *some* renewables are much more viable than others

Or (equally possible) *none* are particularly viable (sort of hard to believe in Australia. In addition to a huge coastline and lots of sunny desert IIRC it's also sitting on top of a mound of Uranium.

Note that this first drop is for the *assumptions* underlying the study.

Anyone who thinks these are trivial items is unfamiliar with the Inhaber report and the way such assumptions (innocent or otherwise) can affect you results.

Thumbs up for transparency. and *data* on

Boffins get black hole double-vision

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I saw what you did there.

But bad puns aside this refutes a fairly big prediction and gives some interesting results to chew on.

Assuming the information is solid the next question is how common are single black hole cores at the centre of globular clusters (should have been 100% but apparently not) Vs multi-hole clusters?

Oregon farmer devoured by own hogs

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Obligatory "deliverance" reference

"Squeal boy, squeal like a pig"

I'm off for a fried sarnie. All this bacon talk has made me ravenous.

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Re: On a more serious note

"A few years ago Vancouver (BC) police found that a pig farmer to the south of the border had been going to the red light district, murdering prostitutes and feeding them to his herd."

You mean the rather tasteless dialogue sketch described above is *true*?

Microsoft releases JavaScript alternative

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Becase the world *needs* another language.

I think not.

The comment that this is to match Google with their net-language-de-jour seems plausible.

And please remember *any* language/utility/IDE/whatever looks good in a product demo *because* it's a product demo developed (if not being carried out) by *experts* in the product..

It's flaws (and I *guarantee* there will be flaws) will take longer to find.

MS will hope long enough to hook enough developers that it has critical mass and they (or their managers) won't want to admit they jumped in eyes wide shut.

Svalbard overtakes medieval summers

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So medieval warm period more mediveval warm *region*

Should anyone be *surprised* by this?

Anything that widens the number of sample points that can provide *reliable* temperature histories over *centuries* is an excellent result.

Thumbs up for going out and doing this.

Obvious question. Did any of the *models* predict this? In fact this *could* form the basis of prediction tests for *all* models. See if any of them have different temperature pattern predictions for a location and then see if it's possible to confirm or deny that pattern.

Naturally I'd hope all modes that did *not* predict it to be updated.

Mosley thrash'n'tickle vid case against Google opens in Hamburg

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Re: Mosley's House of Ill Repute

"Also if said individual is known for the "holier then thou" shtik. If you are supporting laws declaring similar acts to be "deviant sexual behavior" or some such, that does happen to be in the public interest."

Fair point. The old "family values" routine so beloved of certain politicians from the UK to the US and Canada.

Mosely was a senior officer in the organisation that runs F1 car racing. AFAIK his politics would mostly centre around working with his boss to get Tony Blair to delay banning cigarette advertising on the vehicles.

I'm not sure if he's *ever* made any kind of political statement, *except* in relation to UK libel laws, news paper self "regulation" and (I think) cross media ownership, like the way News International (which is not even *based* in the UK) can own both newspapers and stations that can broadcast in to the UK.

Unlike his notorious father I don't think he's that interested.