* Posts by Graham Cobb

1463 publicly visible posts • joined 13 May 2009

UK water giant admits attackers broke into system as gang holds it to ransom

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Re: For your safety and security

When can we all agree to give up on this fetish of identity? Within 3 years it will be gone anyway: everyone's passports and driving licences will have been stolen because some entity that thinks (or its regulator thinks) it is SO "important" or "critical" that it has to know its customers "real" identity will have leaked the documents necessary to prove identity.

Stop worrying about who people are! There is no problem with the same person having multiple identities if they wish. Or calling themselves whatever they want. That is a basic principle of UK law: your name is what you choose to call yourself. The only valid use of a passport should be to prove your birth identity to a foreign government to allow travel to countries still stuck in the 20th century notion of "identity".

Post Office threatened to sue Fujitsu over missing audit data

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Great work! But, surely, you were being made to fix the problem the wrong way. If you could do that, in that emergency, then someone else might have been able to do the same thing to hide fraud?

Surely an audit trail should have a documented, and highly visible, way to fix errors (with some special type of transaction or something) so that the fix is forever visible in the trail? Isn't that the point?

Fujitsu gets $1B market cap haircut after TV disaster drama airs

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Re: Fushitesu

Downvoted for inappropriate comparison.

YouTube video lag wrongly blamed on its ad-blocking animus

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Re: it will run fine

No, we have a right to services where the providers are absolutely clear, open and explicit about what they do to monetise and that they get full permission from their users for it.

As I said above, if YouTube want to go behind a paywall instead that is absolutely fine by me.

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Re: I can smell something... smells a lot like bullshit

Just in case you have really missed the point and not just trying to generate more downvotes for the hell of it...

it is objective fact that people may not expect that an expensive service be provided to them for free, and that the provider of the service is entitled to look for ways to cover costs and monetise the provision of the service.

No, sorry, that is not an objective fact: it is false. I would claim that the exact contrary is an objective fact: many expensive services can be expected to be provided to many people for free because it enables the provider to generate more money somewhere else (which may have nothing to do with monetising the provision of the service).

There are the very obvious examples of governments and charities, who both provide expensive services for free which are paid for by other people.

More relevantly to this discussion... many services are funded by the "network effect" - they are paid for by the small proportion of users who receive a large amount of value from the fact that very many people use the service entirely for free.

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Re: I can smell something... smells a lot like bullshit

Go to your Google Account.

I don't have one of those. And I don't store (let alone provide back) any cookies from their sites. And that means they have never received any permission to record or guess or use or store anything about me.

If that meant that I couldn't use any of their services - that allowing them to know about me was the price for using their services - I would be fine with that. I don't use Google search, or mail, or Android, anything I would miss (I pay companies I trust quite a lot of money for those things already). So, I wouldn't pay their price and wouldn't use their service.

But, of course, they don't prevent me from using their services. They need the network effect: they are only viable if lots of people use their service - so they just try to steal my data without permission. EITHER: make creating an account and agreeing to allowing processing a requirement OR stop trying to track people who choose not to provide data.

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Re: I can smell something... smells a lot like bullshit

If YouTube want to go behind a paywall, that is entirely up to them. Just don't steal my data.

Post Office boss unable to say when biz knew Horizon could be remotely altered

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Re: Compensation?

In most cases, it seems, it never got to court. The PO investigations team put so much pressure on the postmasters they don't seem to have generally bothered with a lawyer but ended up doing a "deal": either "admitting" it was their own error or even confessing their guilt, in exchange for avoiding court.

If the portrayal of the PO investigations staff in the TV drama (or even in the evidence given the other day) was accurate, you can understand why they felt intimidated.

But I am waiting to hear exactly what statements were made in court by PO/Fujitsu. I think I read earlier this week that someone was asking for immunity from prosecution for perjury before agreeing to appear in (one of) the inquiries?

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Re: Compensation?

Well, this is retail - so there is always an amount of "shrinkage" (theft and mistakes). But in this case enormously complicated by the fact that when postmasters called the helpline, Fujitsu support staff apparently made direct changes, without audit trails or records, to the databases. Probably trying to be helpful but a significant number probably just made the problem worse, or made it look like it was the postmaster who had done something fraudulent.

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Re: Compensation?

I have no actual information, but based on many years experience in IT I am sure it went something like...

In ICL... "We really shouldn't let the system go live. It is full of crap, with a list of priority 1 bugs as long as my arm. At least let us fix the problems with the audit trails..."

"No! It is going live on Tuesday!! If we don't, we can't recognise the revenue in this quarter. You just need to handhold the branches until we can get the Phase 2 release out there - when they phone up to complain the system is wrong, make a quick fix to the balance and get straight on to the next call."

In the Post Office... "Wow, this new Horizon system is great! It is showing us what we always suspected: there are loads of mistakes, and probably also fraud, in post offices every day! At last this new system can let us work out where the problems are, and maybe even catch some crooks. Take a look at that discrepancies report and pick a branch and do an audit to find out what is wrong".

Apple claims top spot in global smartphone market for first time

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Re: Most People In The World Still Refuse To Buy Apple Phones

I don't think many people refuse to buy Apple phones. I used to, but since the death of things like Maemo and, more recently, Jolla the only choice is Android or Apple. I use /e/ as a reasonable Android variant on tablets but reluctantly switched to Apple for a daily driver phone - at least Apple is a little better than Google from a privacy point of view.

I think the correct headline would be:

Most people in the world still buy cheap phones

HP customers claim firmware update rendered third-party ink verboten

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Re: This happened to me

As I said, last time this came up:

HP has a history of serious abuses of the DMCA and other interference with the rights of owners of their devices. I have not done any business with HP since the Snosoft affair in 2002 and will not until they renounce abusing copyright/DRM laws. This latest action shows they still are not ready to acknowledge that if they sell me a product they cannot impose restrictions on how I use it.

I created a lasting power of attorney last year and I added a rule that my attorney cannot do business with either HP or Sony.

Open source's new mission: To boldly go where no software has gone before

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Re: What but not why...

the point being not the why, but an attempt to dictate how other people should behave

That is true for all Internet discussions - neither more or less relevant for software than for any other topic (model trains, home baking, legal systems, human rights, etc). Nothing to do with FOSS.

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Re: Only for a specific type of open source, and only from a certain viewpoint

You make several good points but I disagree with this one.

Commercial software makes no attempt to "provide the user's needs". On the contrary, it just mandates requirements for a particular system & configuration which the corporation will support and provides something which may or may not have much relationship to the user's needs. Often conflicting with the requirements specified for other software the user needs to run. And no attempt to make it work (or even, in some cases, let it try to work) on other configurations.

The FOSS I write, and the changes I make to other FOSS, are mostly about working round some issue or constraint. With commercial software there is no chance to do that - just take it or leave it.

New cars bought in the UK must be zero emission by 2035 – it's the law

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Buried? Buried???

You metropolitan types are so funny!

Anyway, who would want to get rid of their overhead lines (power and phone)? The free spring light shows when the trees cause complete surprise by growing into the wires with fireworks for all would be really missed - who wants to wait for November for fireworks? It mostly seems to be the Elms in the hedges - new ones still grow every year, and survive a few years before dying of Dutch Elm disease - but normally at just about the point they have reached the main electricity line running down the street. They then remain, dead, for another year or so wearing away the insulation, before going out in their glorious firework show!

And every couple of years some neighbour or other cuts the power line while trimming their hedge or trees. For some reason it is the power line more often than the phone line. One year the neighbour hired a tree surgeon who managed to not just bring down our power line but even rip off the bracket the wires were attached to on the eaves of our house! Oh, such fun!!

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Re: Alternatives to car use?

And, yet, our (rural) district council just did a "comment on our development plan" thing - and most comments mentioned that public transport needs to be massively improved before building all the proposed new houses - jobs, schools, shops and doctors are no longer in any of the villages but in regional towns - in some cases 20 miles away!

But the council say there is no money to restablish the pre-Beeching train lines, or build modern, fast and flexible bus/rail/tram services connecting the villages to the towns. And the government won't allow them to force the developers to build them.

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Re: The really big picture

And, yet, government policy is to force rural councils to build more and more houses. Miles from jobs, shops, secondary schools, doctors, public transport, ...

NAT, ATM, decentralized search – and other outrageous opinions from the 1990s

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Re: Year End Reminiscing

The thing we learned, in the '90s, was that what matters is that seriously delayed traffic is dropped, not delivered late. Real-time systems (and people) found it much easier to fix lost traffic (which happens all the time, even in the best regulated environments) than delayed traffic (and high variability of latency).

For us, as router builders, it meant small buffer queues - that was the key factor in making the network layer more reliable overall.

UK government lays out plan to divert people's broken gizmos from landfill

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Wow! How'd you do that? And how many things did you have to vandalise to make the point to her satisfaction??

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Re: "financed by the hardware producers rather than the taxpayer"

So it will be financed by the customers.

Sure. But that is exactly what's needed. Reduce incentive to just buy (i.e. make) more stuff and encourage reducing consumption and increasing reuse. Re-use Uncle Fred's lights he isn't using any more. Buy lights with replaceable bulbs or better made ones which last longer. Take strings to the local primary school's repair cafe to see if someone can make them work again.

UK government woefully unprepared for 'catastrophic' ransomware attack

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Re: Same old

I assume the NCSC have the expertise and people to address this (I have never worked with them so I don't know). If so, then the proposal seems eminently sensible!

So, that's doomed then.

Epic decision sees jury find Google's Play store is illegal monopoly

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Re: Do we leave Microsoft in charge of Chrome development?

The parts would have their own advertising revenues. Just like these services do today when being offered by people other than Google.

It is the cross-subsidy that needs to be got rid of: reduce Google's revenues to the advertising available from search. Let them offer other services like Mail, Drive, etc on a level playing field - each one subsidised by its own advertising (just like the competitive services will be). But most importantly of all, prevent any of them from sharing and cross-referencing information (i.e. stop them creating profiles of users beyond what they see from each service itself).

Amazon's game-streamer Twitch to quit South Korea, citing savage network costs

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Re: is this better for SK Broadband?

I have obviously not been clear. This reply (and most of those above it) have missed the point I was making.

Sure, the electricity company charges different rates for different services - depending on how much you use, how reliable you want it, what technology you want it delivered using (3-phase, etc), how much compensation you want in case of problems, etc, etc. But they don't charge you different amounts based on what you do with the electricity. They charge you the same whether you use it for keeping warm in the winter, or mining bitcoin.

Similarly, the roads operators charge differently for different types of vehicle, weights, etc (and could, for example, charge for the right to drive at a higher speed). But they don't get to ask the value of what you are carrying, or the value of the deal you are driving to sign.

Telcos are welcome to charge differently for different speeds, different QoS, different times of day, diverse routing, etc. But they don't get to charge differently for different combinations of bits sent down the line.

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Re: is this better for SK Broadband?

here’s a lot of “net neutrality” bros out there who are very vocally against the idea of charging different rates to different customers, but it’s funny that when you actually look into who’d be charged more in such a regime, it’s not the FOSS distributors or the journalists, but the big tech media companies… astroturfing is alive and well.

There is a very important principle here... the telcos cannot be allowed to charge different types of customers different rates. Telecoms is a utility, a public good. The electricity company doesn't get to charge different prices depending on how rich you are, and the highway operators don't get to charge based on the value of the content of the lorry - nor should the telcos. That model is called "taxation". It might be reasonable if the utility is a government enterprise, but privately owned utilities need to be limited by tight regulation to avoid this sort of price gouging taking money out of the economy (by mainly foreign investors).

Elon is the bakery owner swearing in the street about Yelp critics canceling him

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Re: Feedly

Yep. Time to take the opportunity to remind El Reg that some of us literally rely on RSS: I only ever visit the site based on the RSS ticker at the bottom of my screen (4 feeds: BBC News, El Reg, Sailing, Motor Racing).

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Re: Advertising Money

Well, I don't. I do not care at all. I have reached my sixties and I have never read (let alone written) a tweet or had an account.

However, I know that Twitter was a major social media network. I am interested to see how this plays out as I am very interested to see how the Internet evolves and how society changes over time. That's why I read science fiction: I care no more about Twitter than I care about The Mule or Paul Atreides.

It's ba-ack... UK watchdog publishes age verification proposals

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Re: ORLY?

It's a moot point anyway, porn sites won't even bother promoting bypass solutions when a simple Google search will give you all you need in a few clicks.

And I'm sure the red-top newspapers will be very, very happy to receive the uptick in advertising revenues from the VPN providers.

AWS exec: 'Our understanding of open source has started to change'

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I think this reflects exactly how FOSS is supposed to work - deliberately, by design - and it is working well.

Companies like Amazon have the right to decide whether to use any particular FOSS code, or switch at any time, and they have the right to decide whether to contribute financially to it or not. Exactly what I expect when I release code under a FOSS licence.

Sure, it might be nice to receive something in return (or maybe not - I may not wish to be associated with a political campaign which chooses to use my code, for example). But the real reason for me to release the code is that it is what I owe to the giants on who's shoulders I am standing. I am using their code and the deal is that I release my code in the same way.

If Amazon have a spat with Red Hat, that happens all the time. And they have a perfectly free moral right to shift to another distro, or a newer version of the same. Or choose to buy a commercial product - whatever they think is better in their situation. Just as I have that perfect right.

If they are dependent on something maintained by one developer they have the moral rights to decide what to do about that for themselves: they can fix bugs themselves, they can pay the developer or someone else to fix them, they can switch to another implementation (closed or open), they can redevelop it themselves. As long as they follow the licence rules (so, for GPL code, they must release their fixes/changes) that is perfectly morally OK.

If I am one of those who doesn't care at all about getting back any changes then I can release my code under a licence which doesn't require that. I do that occasionally. Mostly I want to release code under GPL (in many cases the code was based on something else under the GPL so I have no choice). I support the FOSS movement and the GPL in particular so I always release code I develop from scratch under GPL.

The result is that some important code gets supported financially by big companies, some other is not financially supported but their improvements get released for others to use, and some others allow big companies to make their own changes and lock them up - but only if that was the deliberate decision of the developers. I don't accept that there is any "moral right" involved - just whatever the previous developers chose to put in their licence terms.

US lawmakers have Chinese LiDAR on their threat-detection radar

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The issue isn't military systems, it is non-military but authorized visitors and staff. As well as vehicles on public roads outside the base observing movements.

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Re: Don't see

The issue is that all modern technology is designed to do all its processing the "the cloud", not on device or even on a system under your control. Just like the CCTV you buy to protect your house or business, the concern is that LiDAR devices deployed in the US may be sending all data to china for processing (and, if not for real-time use then for "product improvement"). And the issue isn't so much about (say) military vehicles - which will probably use a secure system - but all the ordinary vehicles driven onto bases (by visitors, families, maintenance, utilities, etc) which could be doing detailed mapping of the base and sending it back to somewhere unknown, without any cooperation from the user.

UK government rings the death knell for SIM farms

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Re: My boss came back from Hong Kong last month

If I worked in the gig economy I would use a different number for each company I work with, just like I use a different email address for every single company I deal with in my life today. That way, when I terminate my relationship I never hear from them again, and if they violate my privacy by passing my number on, I know who not to do business with again.

Of course, I would need all those numbers to actually be usable from a single device. Again, just like I do with all my email addresses today. This is a ridiculous piece of legislation by someone completely out of touch with modern life. One phone, one number? Who's ridiculous idea is that?

The answer to cold calling is proper enforcement of fines - not banning multi-SIM devices. And with e-sims and VoIP farms, it will completely ineffective for its stated purpose.

So, what is the real purpose of the ban? For what, presumably secret, purpose do the government rely on MSISDNs for security, meaning they have to limit people having several?

Author hopes to throw the book at OpenAI, Microsoft with copyright class action

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Re: Zzzzzzzzzz

...which is very clever of them, and why LLM toys can appear to be AI, but are not.

And completely irrelevant for the copyright claims.

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Zzzzzzzzzz

Sancton spent five years and tens of thousands of dollars on the book, secure in the knowledge that the US Copyright Act gives "exclusive rights" as well as "the rights to reproduce the copyrighted work[s]."

Non-starter. If I read Sancton's book and then set myself up as an expert on the expedition, giving lectures, taking money to help new expeditions learn from the expedition, proof reading other books to correct the spelling of the expedition leaders name, or in any other way make money from the knowledge I gained from reading Sancton's book, I don't owe him a penny.

And neither does OpenAI.

Look... I don't like the current pretend-AI (but really LLM) toys any more than the next guy. But for goodness sake let's hit these copyright claims trying to grab some of the AI-hype-money on the head. Facts can't be copyrighted. The information in Sancton's book is not copyrighted. In some cases the wording he uses may be, but it would be very hard to make a copyright claim on the wording of a fact unless the wording was very, very unusual.

Stop trying to jump on the bandwagon. Instead, take out your frustration by helping stop the hype - show how the book is much better than the so-called-AI.

Sam Altman set to rejoin OpenAI as CEO – seemingly with Microsoft's blessing

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In this context, box ticking is inherently evil.

No, it isn't. But recruitment at board level is hard. In particular, the board do not manage the company so it is crucial not to fall into the trap of selecting board members based on how they might perform as CxO members. You need them to step back and focus on the world outside the company (investors/owners, governments, trends (local and global), best practices, futures, etc). Specific individuals are much less important at board level than at CxO level.

Diversity rules do not hamper that.

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Seems unlikely - MS must have approved this new deal. If they had wanted to absorb OpenAI they could have just gone ahead with employing Altman and all the employees: the board/parent would have immediately sold/licensed the the only significant asset they had left (the Intellectual Property) to them - as IP with no way to exploit it has a declining value over time.

Net privacy wars will be with us always. Let's set some rules

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Re: Deeply suspicious

"EU-washing" of policies is nothing new - and is the main reason moderate UK governments didn't support leaving the EU until the idiots took over. It is so very, very convenient for any government to have someone to blame for policies unpopular with either the electorate or their own back-benchers.

The loss of it has caused the rise of the extremist and/or populist factions of all the parties we have seen in the last couple of years.

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Re: But what about obvious, prior work-arounds?

Yep. Although the problem will be that commercial sites will get their certificates from the compromised CAs. So it will be impossible to access, say, my bank without compromise.

So we may have to go back to having separate devices: one we trust, which only works with a small set of sites, and one we know is telling various governments about everything we display on our screen.

Your password hygiene remains atrocious, says NordPass

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Re: For best results, use a password generator that can give you a long, random string"

Adequate salting helps the defence, but the real trick is to prevent the perp laying hands on your password database in the first place, and that's not a user responsibility

Errr... Adequate salting is absolutely critical: it makes rainbow tables useless. Preventing getting hold of the password database is also standard practice. Anyone who fails one of those doesn't get any more of my business once I find out.

The crucial user responsibility is to use different and completely unrelated passwords for each service they care about, and use a password manager to manage them. Of course, they can use their girlfriend's favourite colour or their dog's name for the hundreds of passwords they don't care about (like streaming services).

AI copyright row deepens: Stability VP quits in protest over 'fair use' excuse

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Re: He has my support

I admire his decision to resign over a point of principle. I did it only once in my career - about halfway through. It changed the direction of my career - probably for the best overall, although in a direction I would previously have never considered.

However, I disagree with his position absolutely completely! Copyright needs bringing under control and dramatically reducing - short and very narrow protection. It has completely turned its goals inside out by becoming a never-ending revenue stream that actively discourages the creation of new artistic works and rewards only the shareholders of large media companies.

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Greed - but from the creators

Unlike all the previous comments here, I believe he is completely wrong.

There are two ways to look at this issue:

1) Paying creators. Artistic creation has always been a precarious profession - very few people who attempt it make a living from it, but still people do it. Like other people who consume creative content I am grateful for what they do - although I am very unhappy that it is the gatekeepers, rather than the creators, who make the serious money. But I don't see training AI substituting for the consumption market in any way. Innovative and exciting art (music, books, ...) will not be created by AI and will not substitute for the market in copyrighted materials. It may substitute for derivative, uninteresting and old art but that material is in the public domain anyway.

2) That brings up the public domain. The stated goal of copyright (explicit in the US constitution and implicit in most other justifications) is to encourage creation in order to extend the public domain for the benefit of future generations. As AI gets smarter (and, no, I don't consider large language models to be AI - but there will be real AI later) it can do some of that job by transforming (including performing) existing public domain material and generating new material. But all the new material is based on training and experience of artists and that will be no different (no better and no worse) than the way human artists work.

Sure, AI competes with workaday artists who do minimal creativity - just like vacuum cleaners competed with housemaids. Good AI will (eventually, not today) be exciting and new - and there is no reason why its learning process should be any different from that of an exciting and new human artist.

I know this view will be unpopular!

Alien rock remains found not on but deep inside the Earth

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Re: Where these blobs are now :)

Interesting thought that the Theia collision might have been even more significant in our history than previously understood. It could reduce the value of ne in the Drake Equation very significantly.

Of course, we have very little insight into any of those values - virtually the only data we have is that N >= 1.

Meta's ad-free scheme dares you to buy your privacy back, one euro at a time

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Re: Remember too: it's impossible to not be "on Facebook".

Which is why *all* my web access is via a proxy - that runs on different cloud servers each day. Sure it took a few days to get it working but I have been using it for many years now.

Lambda-based http proxies also exist, which can make every individual http request appear to come from a different IP address, anywhere in the world. As does Tor, of course, but exit nodes are sometimes blocked.

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Re: Remember too: it's impossible to not be "on Facebook".

No. You misunderstood my point. Assume the address I give my friends is fred@fred.com. I know they will pass it around more than I wish they did but the point is that *I* never use that on any site on the Internet.

So FB may work out a lot of stuff about fred@fred.com. But as I am using joe@joe.com on my discussions of my broken drill bits collecting hobby, and weevil@weevil.com on Netflix, nobody can correlate those three to determine they are the same person. And neither of those can feed me ads based on what my friends have leaked.

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Re: Remember too: it's impossible to not be "on Facebook".

Ah, but the email address my friends have is never used for any commercial sites so FB may know I exist but can't usefully correlate it for advertising.

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Re: Shocked?

I think most people think it is a few dollars/euros a year per person. Now that FB have told us they are making the equivalent of EUR 120/year people will begin to realise how abusive the relationship is.

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Re: Shocked?

Well, this action may improve the situation. As Facebook lose significant numbers of users, the people trying to use Facebook for anything other than just unimportant chat will no doubt add a contact email address at least. Even losing 10% of your customers will cost most small businesses a noticeable amount.

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Re: Shocked?

How valuable is it?

Did you read the article? Facebook told us: it is worth EUR120/year/person. That's a lot of money.

Judge bins AI copyright lawsuit against DeviantArt, Midjourney – Stability still in the mix

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Re: I do feel sorry for them

Just ask yourself... 'if I went to Amazon Turk and asked for someone to "draw me a cartoon in the style of Sarah Andersen about not wanting to get out of bed on a Sunday morning"' would it be copyright violation?' The answer is clearly: "it depends on whether the resulting cartoon is a copy of of an existing cartoon, or just in the same style".

And, like real-life copyright cases, in some cases the answer is no, others it is yes, and others "well, depends what you mean by a copy" - and a judge or a jury may go either way on it.

UK policing minister urges doubling down on face-scanning tech

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Re: 'No question' it will solve more crimes, Tory MP claims

And to the person who gets stopped on a daily basis because they resemble someone the police are looking for (e.g. they are both black).

This is the biggest issue by far. The whole premise of "Retrospective facial recognition" is not to work out who did the crime, but to find someone who looks a bit like the person who did the crime - if they were wearing a different hat - and it was sunny instead of raining like it was in the video - anyway, they're both black, that will do. And then hassle a random completely innocent person.

And then hassle the same person a week later when some other constable finds they look a bit like the CCTV picture of some other crime!

A system which deliberately creates a set of perfectly innocent people who get hassled every so often just because the computer says they look like some people who do crimes is completely intolerable.

Facial recognition which surveys the people walking down the street where the smash-and-grab-raid took place last week to look just for the one person who can been seen throwing the brick in the CCTV is one thing. Searching the national driving licence database for people who look a bit like that guy is clearly intolerable.

Bad Vibrations: Music publishers sue Anthropic AI for using copyrighted lyrics

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Nobody needs a licence to listen to music. Licences are to copy - clue's in the name.

Copyright is about making copies: the person providing the copy you listen to is the one who needs the licence.