@jake
>> here is a little clue, for most web sites we go to do not charge us.
>True.
>>Running a web-site though costs money
>True.
>>(unless your in russia, where websites run you!).
>Very, very tired meme. Stop it, child.
As long as we are brining up logical fallacies (as you try to later), I call argumentum ad hominem. The entire point is that it is tired, so congradulations, you almost got it.
>>Whoever is running it has to be able to eat, pay for houseing.
>True. So do I. So do all of us. Running a web site or not. Strawman.
It's not a strawman, it is the fundemental point. If you don't get paid for your employment, you won't (or at least shouldn't) do it for vary long. If your employer doesn't get paid for goods and services provided, they won't be in "bussness" vary long. (I only put bussness in quotes because if they are not getting paid for good/services, it's not much of a busness.)
>>Then they still have to pay for upkeep of the site,
>Not my issue. Their choice. The Web is hardly life or death.
I dont know why you felt the need to seperate the concept of "this costs money" into what the cost is, but this is addressed above.
>>hosting fees,
>Not my issue. Their choice. The Web is hardly life or death.
again, there is absolutely no reason for this to have been seperated out of the sentance.
>>creation of new content.
>Not my issue. Rarely my choice. Have you actually seen "new content" recently? I sure haven't. Porn's still porn, news is still news, user comments are still user comments, and really bad web sites designed by people who think "comment icons" and fixed width web pages are a good idea are still really bad web sites ... oh ... hang on ... Oops.
At least here you have actually done more then repeat yourself when you seperated out a section of a sentance, so I'll be happy to address it.
Apperently you must have some future version of sites that havent been released to all us little mortals. Every time I look at el Reg, there is new content. There are stories that were not there yesterday. By definition that is "new." Since this is what is contained on the site, it is "content." Hence "new content."
BTW: The format of the page is of little consequence, thats format, not content.
>>It begs the question, where is this money comming from?
>Not my issue, except for my own sites.
It is your issue if you want to have access to these sites without paying the owners of them. Nothing is free.
>>So, unless you want to pay for your browsing,
>I do pay. Monthly. This DSL line costs (a little bit of) money. My OC-96 costs a lot more. The three T-1 lines that I thought were a good idea when I got 'em in '93 cost even more (thankfully I only got a three year lease on 'em ...).
No, you pay for your bandwith, not your browsing. You do not pay El Reg to read it instead, they have ads. were it not for said ads, this site would not exsist (for long).
>>you need to accept ads.
>No, I don't. My computer, my bandwidth, my CPU, my disk, my rules.
You have ONCE AGAIN seperated a part of a complete sentence rather then taking it as a whole. This is what programmers call an "If-then" statement. it is true that you are free to not use the websites in question, and I never indicated to the contrary.
>>Your free access to content is the value that advertisers create.
>No. Totally incorrect. Advertisers create nothing but loud, ugly artwork. Haven't you noticed that for virtually all ad-driven sites that have any merit, there are several dozen other sites that are built as a labor of love, offering essentially the same content, with no advertising?
So why are you still here? You dont like ads, El Reg has ads. If there are several dozen other sites offering essentially the same content with no advertiseing I would expect you to be jumping ship.
>>If you don't like it, you're (mostly) going to have to limit yourself to sites which charge for service
>Not in this lifetime.
Since you are still here, It would appear you have choosen to put up with ads. Good for you. Now if you could just stop crying about that choice, you did have other options.
>>Welcome to First Life.
>Sadville1.0? You actually relate to that?
>Sad.
You don't relate to real life?
Now that IS sad.