Re: Re:Black is white, up is down, trolling is trolling
You seem to confuse prices and costs. What electricity producers haves are costs. That's the 'C' in "LCOEs.
No, again this is your job. It kicked into high gear when DECC produced their LCOE here-
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/65713/6883-electricity-generation-costs.pdf
Which showed gas (CCGT) at £80/MWh, Nuclear (FOAK) at £81 and offshore wind at £118 (R2) and £134 (R3), and those being from 2012. So clearly wind was (and still is) far more expensive than nuclear. Of course the LCOE makes a whole bunch of assumptions, and excludes a bunch of very important costs. So nuclear has a capacity factor of around 95%, Wind only 23%. Wind output tends to zero on a calm day, but nuclear keeps on going.
So a more accurate cost would be £120/MWh for wind, plus £80/MWh for when there's no wind. Which is pretty much what happened and as we wasted billions on windmills, we increased our dependency on gas. Then came some very odd, very low bids for offshore capacity in the UK and US. This allowed industry lobby groups like IRENA and the Bbc to claim wind is now the cheapest ever, and revise their LCOE tables to around £50MWh. And then we decided to sanction gas & oil, blow up a pipeline, and relatively speaking, wind appeared even cheaper! Except of course windmill operators got paid the gas price.
But then stuff like this happened-
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/vattenfall-halts-project-warns-uk-offshore-wind-targets-doubt-2023-07-20/
The project won a contract-for-difference (CfD) in a British auction last year, guaranteeing a minimum price of 37.35 pounds per megawatt hour (MWh) in 2012 prices for the electricity produced, which equates to around 45 pounds/MWh today. Helene Bistrom, Vattenfall's wind business head, said the incentives offered no longer reflected the current market conditions.
Perhaps you can explain how this could possibly be, when your industry keeps telling us how cheap wind is, and how it's costs are continually falling? Far cheaper than that nasty nuclear, coal, gas etc that China, India and even Germany is building.
What you see on your bill is a consumption multiplied by a price.
No, you don't say? So given IRENA's cheap and mature, why are there so many green subsidies and taxes added to my bill? Wind turbines have been around for over 150yrs in the UK, the industry is making billions, so it can afford it's own R&D etc without dipping it's hand in our pockets.
That back-up does not produce anything when it's not needed. So, its impact on the production costs is reduced. No gas is burnt when it's in standby. Sorry to have to state the obvious.
Sorry to have to state the obvious but the back-up is still a cost. But you don't understand costs, do you? Nor would you understand the role reversal, ie if CCGT is £80/MWh, and Offshore is £134/MWh, why is the cheapest generation source the backup and not the primary..
The community benefits from the fight against climat4e change.
And how exactly do they do this? I realised downwind of windmills tends to be colder and drier due to vertical mixing of the boundary layer. This is, of course another of the ways they harm the environment. But perhaps you can give an example of one of your 'o' functions. How many GW of windmills will it take to prevent 0.1C globabl warming? Oh, and have you noticed that right after our supposedly record warm March, it's been a rather un-warm April?
Not sure whether solar panel wastes will need to be monitored for thousands of years.
Not suprising you're thoroughly ignorant about this as well. So chuck thousands of solar panels that have been damaged by hailstones in a hole in the ground. Would you want, or need to monitor that hole for stuff like cadmium leaking into the groundwater?
At least I'm now back to being entertained. Usually climate 'debates' have ecofreaks like you ranting at oil industry shills. Now I've found a real, live and incredibly dumb renewables shill, and astroturfer given the anonymong status. Luckily in a few months when 'misinformation' laws are fully enacted, spreading your kind of misinformation will be illegal and punishable with jail. If Scotland thought they're having fun with their new law, the UK ain't seen nothing yet.