* Posts by Alan Brown

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Drone goal! Quadcopter menace alert freezes flights from London Heathrow Airport

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Re: "environmental terrorists"

"Any drone big enough to have a hairy scruffy type strapped to it would be hard to miss I'd think."

Well..... the police hairychopper got reported as "a Drone" at one point.

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Re: "environmental terrorists"

"Lets face it the tree huggers have "form" in respect of various stupid, risky and obstructive actions"

And very publicly claiming responsibility.

So far noone's come forward,

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Re: And so it begins

"No need for 3D printing, balsa wood will do just fine"

Rice paper and a bit of hot air will do nicely too.

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No mention of Cranes?

The creek along Heathrow's southern boundary fence west of T5 is rather attractive to wading birds(*). I've watched both cranes and storks launch themselves out of it and then turn north across the operating airfield.

These are "somewhat" larger and more solid than 90% of drones.

(*) As is the marshy bit south of the west end of the airfield.

Border guards probe 'suspicious bulge' in man's trousers to find he's packing fluffies

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Re: Ouch

There are worse things than kitten claws.

Kitten teeth, for instance - and they do try to bite anything that moves.

Attention all British .eu owners: Buy dotcom domains and prepare to sue, says UK govt

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Re: Wow, it's almost...

"And a PM without a majority party in government can hardly be an autocrat."

David Cameron?

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Re: That argument goes both ways you know.

"There should be a higher bar to making such a change than a simple majority."

Such as "achieving quorum" for any vote and "supermajority" for important ones.

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Re: Wow, it's almost...

"Deny it to them and it seems most unlikely they’ll shut up."

They were most explicit that they wouldn't, if you recall Farage's pontificating on TV the week before the referendum on the subject of if it should it go 52% the other way.

One good thing about this last 2 years is that it's made the fascists and other roaches brave enough to peek out from under their rocks. Observers have been taking notes about names and hidey holes.

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Re: Wow, it's almost...

>> Unelected autocrats such as Theresa May

>You do realise that she is an elected MP?

MP yes.

But not voted PM by the people. Anyone who claims they voted for a PM (or a leader) is repeating a common fallacy.

" If she were an autocrat, her vision of Brexit would already have been signed, sealed and delivered and she wouldn't be walking the greased tightrope over the shark-tank filled with rabid MP's.."

Considering the _actual_ voting percentages vs the way seats went, it's quite clear there's a shitload of gerrymandering going on to ensure that only 2 parties are effectively represented in Parliament and that where possible, one party is favoured. As such it's no wonder electoral turnouts are low when most seats are as locked in as any 17th century rotten borough.

It's even more pointed when the UK's claim to try and introduce a vote on "proportional representation" gave a choice between the status quo and the lame duck _least_ proportional option possible (ie: most resembling the status quo) and as such was rejected even by most who wanted PR.

Compare and contrast with New Zealand's referendum on the same matter:

1: Stay with the current FPTP system or change to PR?

2: If changing to PR, which PR system should we change to? (list of 5)

(Of course when the NZ population voted overwhelmingly for PR and MMP, which the politicians didn't want, they ran it again and got the same result, so it had to be adopted (lots of scare tactic adverts about MMP in the leadup). 20 years later when asking "do you want to keep this?" the politicians got told in no uncertain terms they had to keep it despite trying to switch back to FPTP)

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Re: Wow, it's almost...

"MP wise, Cornwall has 6 Con MPs, who managed 48% of the vote , meaning 52% of peoples political views aren't reflected."

The word you're looking for is "Gerrymander"

Cops: German suspect, 20, 'confessed' to mass hack of local politicians

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Re: Damage mitigation...

"like, is there any security about peoples' private information in our age of computers and networks?"

How much of this is actually private and how much is merely hard to find?

Reg Standards Bureau introduces the Devon fatberg as coastal town menaced by oily blob

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Re: Fosters

" We only export that to you lot because we don't drink it."

Australians enjoy Fosters - by watching other people drink it.

Real-time OS: Ordnance Survey gets snuggly with Intel's Mobileye

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Re: Personally, I'd rather they fixed the fucking potholes.

"Potentially they can use this data to identify and prioritize fixing of potholes"

One can hope......

Found yet another plastic nostalgia knock-off under the tree? You, sir, need an emulator

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Re: Imagine anything as efficient

"...where the Amiga's Copper co-processor sprang from, you should read up on the Atari 800's video hardware: they had the same designer, and the same concepts are in there too..."

The "incestuestnous" of commodore/atari systems, designers and concepts is rather interesting reading. Affter going through the history you're left with the impression that it really should have been the Commodore ST and the Atari Amiga

European fibre lobby calls for end to fake fibre broadband ads

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Re: It's the speed, not the method

"Just require all vendors to deliver the quoted speed over a minimum distance. "

Uh yeah. No problem. And the contention ratio back to the exchange?

Or the contention ration ratio from the exchange back to the ISP?

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Re: Hardly the first time

"My utility is currently trying to get me to have a smart meter installed"

So are mine.

They don't think it's funny when I ask them how much they're willing to pay me to have it installed and how much they're willing to credit each month to keep it installed.

Apparently I should be falling over myself wanting this new toy and willing to pay THEM for it.

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Re: Hardly the first time

"Being rolled out primarily so that time-of-day billing can be introduced"

It's worse than that. The "official" smart meters (vs the proprietary ones that were foisted on unwitting early adoptors) have cutoff relays in them.

When things go pearshaped you'll be able to pay extra to NOT be load-shed in the rolling blackouts.

And there WILL be rolling blackouts - lots of them, thanks to the government not investing enough in replacement+extra power generation., coupled with a massive upcoming increase in power demands due to the electric vehicle fleet incentives (a private mostly-electric vehicle fleet will more than double existing power demands) and the inevitable demise of gas/oil heating as the country is forced to decarbonise to meet requirements (matching these demands will more than double existing requirements too).

If we really go for broke and put windmills/solar panels _everywhere_, "Renewables" can slightly outmatch ~2005 carbon-emitting coal/gas/oil-fired power generation.

Those pesky nuke plants being argued about? We need about 40 of them, not 2 - and even if the undersea cables into mainland europe had enough carrying capacity (they don't), France doesn't (and won't) have enough generating capacity to make up our shortfall.

There's a perfect storm coming. It'd be a good idea to invest in a battery wall and a decent diesel 2kW generator along with a good quantity of oil.

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Re: The ASA are shills, not consumer protection folk

What do you expect from a TRADE ASSOCIATION that was formed to stave off government regulation?

The only reason they exist is to pretend that all is well and the government don't need to pass real regulations or setup a proper regulatory body. Complaints should also go to your local trading standards office.

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Re: Where to draw the line?

"you know that virgin can supply high speeds on their network right?"

They can also supply fibre tails if you're willing to pay enough.

Unfortunately, experience has shown that if they have to interconnect with BT, SLAs go out the window and it appears to be a deliberate Openreach policy in order to fuck over competitors.

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Re: "Unfortunately, this does lead to more bureaucracy, not less :("

"If it avoids apartment towers to get fire and kill tens of people, maybe it won't that bad..."

At some point the rather dangerous UK ring main system will have to go (the plugs are OK, but rings are not and UK wiring rules allow for radial or ring layouts. The _only_ advantage of rings is to allow domestic contractors to cut corners on wiring and the number of breakers in the installation.)

Oregon can't stop people from calling themselves engineers, judge rules in Traffic-Light-Math-Gate

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Re: Great for this Engineer

"Thinks of people I've known with MBA after their names. Shudders."

MSCE......... ("Must call someone else")

And there are a bunch of others where it's painfully obvious that someone's been collecting letters after their names, but precious little actual USABLE knowledge/wisdom to go with those letters.

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Re: Great for this Engineer

In at least one language, Computer admins are "beheerders" (shepherds, more or less))

Which makes a hell of a lot of sense to me, as does beer herding. (It's Friday!)

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Re: Incredible

"Those who want to rein also want to reign."

Which has a lot to do with why there are so many martinets involved.

And that happens to be an affliction that's spreading across the UK too.

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Re: Incredible

"For a country that bandies about the word "Freedom" with totally gay abandon"

You should look up how propaganda works. They bandy it about so much precisely to distract from the issue that they don't HAVE very much of it.

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Re: What an engineer does in the UK

"I'm sorry, but that's just how the word is used."

People who drive steam engines are engineers. People with engineering degrees or other engineering certfication are engineers. Most other technically qualified people are technicians or mechanicians.

All the above are more vulnerable to having their jobs taken by computers/robotics than people who empty bins, rewire/replumb houses, dig ditches, take your burger orders/flip said burgers or sweep floors., but less vulnerable to that fate than those who do things best described as "management, office or legal work"

Why? Cost of implementation vs savings on wages.

Low paid manual work isn't worth replacing with AI, highly paid stuff like plumbing/electrical existing buildings is likely too hard to robotise.

Office work and paper shuffling doesn't NEED complex/expensive mechanical handling systems to be able to take over - it's already 90% there anyway (when was the last time you saw an office full of ledger clerks filling in paperwork?)

The need for skilled/smart people to fix things that break and devise new stuff will be here for a while yet. The rise of technocrats was predicted more than 50 years ago and has yet to happen.

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Re: What an engineer does in the UK

"My previous employer suddenly decided that using "Engineer" for titles where it clearly wasn't appropriate had to stop, and changed everyones job title overnight to "Analyst", even when it made it sound ridiculous or inaccurate"

Something similar happened to "Technician" - who were suddenly "Technical Officers"

The problem was that Level1 helpdesk were previously called "TSO" (Technical service officers) and were now "Technicians", so it sounded to most people like the field techs had been demoted.

It didn't go down well.

Then there's the whole Programmer/Conslutant/Analyst mess in the computing arena and those who expect "Company Secretaries" (which is a specialist role) to type up dictation.

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Re: What an engineer does in the UK

> We weren’t ‘engineer’ engineers, but what else would you call us, outside plant network designers?

More to the point, the other guys were linesmen, riggers and outside plant techs

All of which are specialities in their own right and calling them "engineers" doesn't help anyone.

Another greybeard has left us: Packet pioneer Larry Roberts dies at 81

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Re: TTL exceeded

On a bus like 10Base2/10b5, EVERY packet is a broadcast packet.

You can play TDMA games, but then you're getting back into bellhead games instead of nethead statmux ones - and that in turn means you may have _guaranteed_ bandwidth on the wire, but it's only N/stations instead of allowing bursts up to much higher values (on the basis that stations are idle 99%+ of the time, even when carrying active voice sessions)

"I really don't think it makes a whole heap of difference to Sharon opening a Word document on the file server in the next room whether it takes 1ns or 2. "

It does matter when you have several classrooms of Sharons ALL trying to open a word document at once and collisions + backoffs turn that into a few thousand ns (try explaining to a school administrator that $1000 switch is better than $100 hub because it allows lessons to actually proceed)

"10baseT is pointless - for point to point you might as well just use USB or firewire."

Neither of which travel as far and by creating yet another standard you invoke https://xkcd.com/927/

In any case, 10bT was initially deployed in _hubbed_ (not bridged) evolutions of 10b2/10b5 which meant it still needed all the collision avoidance algorithms. It was only when moving to a switched environment that a lot of things could have been simplified and that was well into 100MB/s days (I can remember 100Mb/s hubs and paying $2k for 8 port 10Mb/s Lantronix switches that didn't work very well with my tulip cards)

Ethernet and TCP/IP didn't win because they were "better" technically.

They won because they weren't subject to stupidly high licensing fees, gateway charges or proprietary preciousness.

You could reuse the protocols and standards in different environments WITHOUT having to relicense them all over again. You didn't have to pay through the nose to learn them or make the chips or install the cabling and you could adapt them without having lawyers jump down your throat demanding royalties or hitting you with cease-and-desists.

There are some lessons there that various outfits which like to spout on about the value of IP repeatedly fail to take on board (ie: It's only of value if it's used)

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Re: TTL exceeded

"There's is nothing wrong with daisy chain style networking so long as a machine can be automatically bypassed if its not working "

Even with that part sorted, the complexity and collisions were why it was rapidly dumped.

A common bus is ok in _theory_ but in practice once you start running at any rate of speeds, time of flight (1ns per foot roughly) becomes such a critical factor that it's a lot more expensive to implement than simply running more (very cheap) wires.

Heard the one where the boss calls in an Oracle consultant who couldn't fix the database?

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Re: Expensive Oracle consultant

"He does all his drawing in Excel ... "

I know of entire Regional Health Authorities with 9 figure budgets and tens of thousands of staff whose financial systems are run on Excel

Then again my company decided to use the same Excel systems and consultants (my objections were overridden by other directors) and by the time I managed to get a proper accounting system in place (guerilla computing) we discovered about 6 figures in discrepencies and it wasn't down to anyone fiddling the books.

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Re: Vindicated

"My home PCs have always been named after various afterlifes."

Probably the most famous set of machines on the Internet were named after Bloom Country characters.

I've seen a set named after Rocky Horror characters. Apparently that started after a system was built and named Frank(enstein). Eddy ended up as the core of a group named after HHGTTG characters.

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Re: Network tests

"Management often regarded me as a necessary evil to solve the problems that had foxed the highly paid specialists"

On the other hand, when I was in such a role I was valued by management (less so by the specialists who would get called out to explain shortcuts by management when I'd finished working out what went wrong - in an organisation fixated on eliminating repeats in implementation problems the pushback may not come from management). A troubleshooter is a valuable employee when used correctly.

One of the more telling organisational problems is that "specialists" often start out as being extremely knowledgeable "specialist generalists" but over time the job moves to be inhabited by inexperienced "box ticking exam-passers" who eventually become a liability to the organisation and see anyone who knows what they do in any detail as a threat to their existence because all they know how to do is tick boxes and not address issues holistically.

You can see this in the increasingly manic singleminded focus on speeding across several countries where the last 15-20 years of more rigorous enforcement have resulted in virtually no (in come cases negative) road safety improvements. It's gone past simple self-congratulatory back patting about getting speeds down in areas where it wasn't making any difference to casualties, and into outright statistical manipulation of figures to make things look as though they've changed when they haven't and going into full attack mode when called out on casualty figures remaining unchanged (or increasing).

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Re: Octal problem

> leading zero in C/C++ means 'Octal....The second number is in Octal (010), and as base 8 runs with digits 0-7 per digit position, it evaluates to decimal 8

Which is all fun and games until someone writes 010 as part of an IP address and your code interprets it as octal, but the RFC states that IPv4 address dotted quads are ALWAYS decimal.

And then someone else (a certain Mr Vixie) says that the code is working correctly.

And someone else points out that Mr Vixie is the same person who wrote the RFC AND wrote the code

And when someone else asks that either the code or the RFC be adjusted to agree with each other, a religious war breaks out.

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"suddenly a particular bit of software started refusing to run, reporting insufficient RAM available."

We had problems crop up with different answers code was giving between 32 and 64 bit OSes.

It turned out that BOTH were wrong, and it wasn't a case of one being less wrong than the other.

In that case it was because floating point answers were being rounded to the nearest 32/64 bits and then fed into the next iteration of the same loop.

After a while rounding errors add up and your proto-solar system flies apart after 10 million years or your red supergiant star blows apart when it shouldn't. Solving that issue answered a number of long-standing astronomy questions (but raised more, because CPU floating point precision STILL isn't good enough to run simulations for billions of years)

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"My problem students - a couple of teachers "

You didn't really need to explain much further than that. My parents are both teachers and I grew up around hundreds of them.

There are more than enough of the kind you're invoking to justify the trope "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach". It was even worse when you'd find obvious errors in textbooks (vs multiple other sources) and teachers who'd go with the textbook anyway because what's printed is always correct isn't it? (even for things like basic algebra where a calculator showed the errors).

It was frustrating for me (as a 15yo) to have to explain issues of basic physics to some teachers who didn't understand what they were trying to teach 7-8yo pupils out of textbooks (math usually SCARED them), have them apparently "get it" and then realise they'd still managed to get things mostly bass-ackwards - but at least they weren't so "scared" of science and math.

There are _SOME_ brilliant teachers - quite a lot of them in fact. The problem is that there are also a large bunch of dunces who saw it as an "easy career option" and a collection of martinets who should have been weeded out as fundamentally psychologically unsuited to the job before they finished training. Guess which ones tend to rise to the top in the administrative side?

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" No. I can honestly say we never took apart a compiler in school."

Although I'd already been doing it for a while as a hobby, polytechnic level ELECTRICAL/ELECTRONICS engineering (3000 level - basically the same as 6th form) in 1984 had us creating "on paper" processors, writing assembly code and stepping through the programs to understand how they worked - along with doing some level of Boolean work and making gate arrays.

We then got to play with an (on paper) compiler to turn higher level code into assembler to see how it worked.

The lecturers (rightly) felt that it was critical that circuit and power monkies had a reasonable understanding of the guts of microprocessors because they were in the process of or about to turn the entire industry on its head (it depended which industry, but all aspects ended up being affected) . Most of us ended up spinning out in the computer direction anyway, via various paths.

"A hardware engineer blows PALs, a software engineer burns PROMs"

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"In a similar vein, a few months ago I had a child CEO ask me why I'd have a need to thump a TV with a screwdriver"

Most people who did it never knew the whys either:

In the very old days (valve kit with components soldered to tags on sockets) it wasn't uncommon to find unsoldered tags (and dry joints)

In the less old days (before wave soldering rigs) the occasional unsoldered joint on a PCB would still get through QC (if there WAS a QC station). I once saw a report of one such joint that finally failed and went intermittent after 26 years in the field.

Even more occasionally it was a bad plug/socket, shitty cable connection. Less occasionally (on colour sets) it'd be fractured solder joints around the line transformer.

Percussive maintenance was never a good substitute for a proper fix.

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"Even funnier, they didn't catch the issue because they mostly tested each process separately, so disk access contention didn't happen."

Latencies are fun aren't they?

Even without disks in the way, if you have a TCP/IP comms link running near its limits, latencies can go from "tolerable" to "oh shit" in the blink of an eye.

The PROBLEM arises when looking at usage statistics because they're invariably 5-minute averages and the instantaneous peak values in each sampling period is never reported.

As a rule of thumb, if a WAN link his about 30% on 5-minute averages then it's probably spiking close to 100% multiple times during that period and the only way you're going to detect that occuring is to measure roundtrip ping times a few times per second.

64 byte pings can go from 14ms to 3200ms and back to 14ms in a 10 second period without tripping any alarms under high/spiky load conditions and it only takes a couple more percent to have it go out to 15,000ms pings and start having your helldesk lines light up.

This is why QoS (or using priority queuing) is important. Dropping low-priority stuff to the back of the queue can avert the phone calls or at least allow people to continue with important work.

It's even worse with satellite links. Back in the dark ages (1994) with an entire country on a 128kb/s link, overall monthly GB more than doubled when it switched from Sat to submarine link, but more importantly for the users latencies on interactive services dropped by 90% (www is not interactive)

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"This provided a current path that shouldn't have been there to a point motor"

There's a lot to be said for NOT using analog control systems to control boolean systems - "phantom paths" is something that shows up time and time again in control system catastrophes from aircraft to nuclear power stations to railways and more.

(That's quite apart from ensuring that the displays show the REMOTE device actual status, and not the LOCAL switch position - which was one of the fundamental failings at Three Mile Island which allowed the meltdown to happen. Switch said valve was closed, valve was not closed, no feedback to say switch and valve didn't agree.)

Racing at the speed of light, Sage superhero bursts through the door...

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Re: Not me...

"I thought it wise to take her out to dinner most nights until that was over."

I would have considered buying her a set of knee protectors and gloves too. Can't do much about the uniform requirements but at least she'd be a little less sore.

Millennium Buggery: When things that shouldn't be shut down, shut down

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"This is, of course, bad UI design."

It's also poor setup - almost all BIOSes with this feature have the option to turn the message OFF

Many years ago, back when I ran an ISP and virus transfer by boot floppy was a common thing, I made a point of going into BIOS settings when onsite, showing the boot order to customers, explaining the danger of having it booting off floppy or cdrom and then switching it to prefer HDD boot (disabling floppy boot entirely where possible)

Most of them would make a note of this (I encouraged the to do so) in case they ever needed to boot off floppy/CDrom (it was W95-era - a little after the period where bootable games were common, so needing floppy/CD boot was uncommon except for recovery)

One of my customers was an exec for a local power company. As I was setting his machine up and finished going through the procedure (which included dropping a copy of f-prot on his system(*)) the company sent out an "IT expert" who walked him through various stuff.

She then gave him a lecture about viruses on floppies, etc and to always make sure floppies were ejected before rebooting. The look on her face when he commented that the ISP guy had just said the same thing and additionally disabled booting from floppy was priceless - she was adamant that such a thing was impossible and had to be shown the setting in BIOS. My customer told me that after I left she'd attempted to unset the boot order and reenable floppy boot so it conformed to "her" idea of how a BIOS should be setup. He asked us to drop over and recheck things the following day.

Our helpdesk was agnostic and we spent more time getting customers of other ISPs back online (for a fee) than our own(**). It was a nice little earner. Most of the local computer shops tended to "format and reinstall" so recovering lost media files was another sideline (and earned us a LOT of repeat business even though we freely gave away the tools to do this job).

(*) At that point F-prot was free for home users but I paid an annual fee to cover the installations performed anyway.

(**) Most "ISP installation disks" would stomp all over all existing settings and hardcoded everything. Some went as far as locking the DNS settings in several locations, which meant that if people used multiple ISPs the competitors would compare badly due to DNS latencies.

We showed customers how to undo that damage and how to use automatic settings or use per-ISP setups if they had multiple providers. I think the printed how-to sheets were the most appreciated part of the service.

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"There is no excuse for postponing an update at the last minute"

I've got BT nagging that they want to do a maintenance visit - on equipment that was installed in what's now the bosses office.

The equipment has been reliable. The visit is simply to verify the installation is clean and safe.

The boss is busy. BT are insistent. I've given them days when he's not in the office, but that doesn't suit them, they want days which suit them.

Which is ironic, because they phoned up and apologised for delays in replacing said equipment - 15 years ago - promising they'd get it sorted "in the next few months" (it's now pushing 30 years old and has failed a couple of times, repaired by cannibalising parts from scrapped kit)

It's now 191 months and counting since they promised to replace the installation real soon now. I wonder how many times they put it off?

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Re: Engineers who become managers

"Nobody who wasn't a competent techie should ever manage competent techies. "

I know a lot of former competent techies who became fucking awful managers.

Managing is a vastly different skillset to teching - and requires training that usually isn't provided when the "promotion" is given. What's even worse is having an INcompetent techie promoted to manager (which happens far too often).

London Gatwick Airport reopens but drone chaos perps still not found

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Re: "There are some places in the UK where you could safely use a rifle to hunt"

"Foxes? well that's an emotive subject. Dogs are safer and more reliable for sure."

That's debateable. I can think of a half dozen ways to deal with foxes which don't involve firearms or dogs and don't alert the fox's friends&family that there's trouble in the area, so they need to lay low or scarper.

Similar problems apply to rats. You can't just kill one or two because as soon their friends realise there's a problem, you won't catch/kill any more.

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Re: Rise in handgun crime

"REPORTED Gun Crime rose in real terms from the mid-90s through to 2003/4."

There. FTFY.

Kids are _statistically_ safer than they've ever been.

Domestic violence levels are _statistically_(*) lower than they've ever been.

Yet reporting levels are higher than ever. This is down to both awareness and increased unwillingness to simply write things off.

(*) That's based on assessed injuries at A&E departments.

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> Why is it that politicians (and pilots on PPrune) don't seem to understand that regulation only stops people who are prepared to abide by the rules?

Regulations don't stop birds either (or plastic bags)

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Re: What happens next

"Whoever it is doing this has demonstrated a degree of planning and operational security awareness, so I doubt it's over."

Or it was just ducks.

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Re: Mass hysteria, sightings of the Virgin Mary, the Emperor's New Clothes, false positives

"So it now appears to have been miss identified incidents, "

And enough damaging statements made by Sussex police to ensure that one unlucky couple can collect 7-figures in damages should they feel so inclined.

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Re: Mass hysteria, sightings of the Virgin Mary, the Emperor's New Clothes, false positives

"That's when the US government actually started to kill its own people on its own territory, complete with smearing campaigns by the MSM, and it was all considered kosher."

_what_ the US government was killing and smearing its own people about is more interesting.

It came out in Ollie North's trial that CIA aircraft were used to fly hundreds of tons of cocaine into the USA in the early 1980s, as part of the complicated arrangements funding the Iran/Contra deal. That cocaine flooded USA inner cities, crashing the price and creating the crack epidemic. The guy signing off on authorisation for that was one Ronald Reagan - the same guy pushing the war on drugs.(*)

The journalist who discovered and exposed the connections was driven out of his job and eventually committed suicide. By shooting himself. In the back of the head. Twice.

(*) A "war on drugs" or a "war on terror" are very convenient if you're an authoritarian because you can't possibly win them. They're symptoms not causes. But you can use the fact you're not winning to take away freedoms....

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Re: Mass hysteria, sightings of the Virgin Mary, the Emperor's New Clothes, false positives

"The biggest UFO flaps were in the 50s"

- yes, mostly following screening of "The Invaders" 90% of UFO sightings followed the same pattern as seen on this

- 1970s USA UFOs tended to be slow moving triangular things - until the F117 was exposed.

- UFO abduction stories all took on more or less the same legend after Close Encounters was released.

The 50s and 60s flaps ones were encouraged by the US military (they even infiltrated the UFO societies and hyped things up). It made it easier to hush up experimental aircraft sightings, etc. It finally came out recently that the "cattle mutilations" were attributable to military efforts to track radiation releases downwind of airburst nuclear detonations (removal of thyroid/liver as these concentrate iodine/caesium) and not wanting to cause panic by letting anyone know what they were doing (easier to have it attributable to little green men).

Does anyone remember the Satanic Child Abuse in pre-schools flaps in the 1990s? There are STILL people convicted and imprisoned around the world for this, despite no physical evidence ever having been discovered, the accusers having been widely discredited and almost all the children involved at the time now saying they were coached into giving false evidence.