* Posts by Alan Brown

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'Lightweight' UPS-style flywheels to power naval laser zappers

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Flywheels

have Interia, resist being moved out of their axis of rotation. Bad things happen (to bearings) if you try, and to the surroundings if the bearings fail(*)

These are the kind of energies stored in Activepower's larger UPS flywheels @ around 9000rpm. I think putting them in a ship (roll pitch and yaw) might affect their warranty somewhat - http://www.activepower.com/en-US/5068/cleansource-reg-nbsp-reg-675-hd-a-ups-675-kw-4-725-mw-nbsp

(*) I've seen the aftermath of a centrifuge that had a "problem" - it walked across the lab floor and through a wall. There's a story of a much larger flywheel - a ~5 ton rotor assembly in a hydroelectric facility spining at a leisurely 1200rpm - in germany levering itself out of its housing after the bearings failed and being found a couple of miles downstream of the dam - if it had gone the other way it could have been much worse.

This is definitely a case where supercapacitors or suchlike are a better idea.

Backup bods Backblaze: Disk drive reliability improving

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Consumer vs enterprise grade drives

We run both. Reliability is about the same for both.

If anything the enterprise drives are more prone to catastrophic failure.

NASA fingers the cause of two bungled satellite launches, $700m in losses, years of science crashing and burning...

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Re: maybe it's a latin thing

"Foil? You mean Tinnium Foil for hats?"

It works better for undergarments.

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"I wonder how much will end up in the pockets of the scientists and engineers whose lifes work ended up in the drink?"

It didn't. one copy of it did.

There's ALWAYS a flight spare, for exactly this possibility. The $700million cost covers the hundreds of test articles and prototypes made to verify that the flight article won't break (it's hard to send out AAA to a broken down spacecraft) with the actual unit cost of each article being a lot less than that.

When a mission fails, the spare is pulled out of storage and strapped to a new booster. If a mission suceeds the flight spare becomes (one of several) the ground test article where every change is run through BEFORE being sent to the bird, to ensure it won't lobotomise the thing.

The _actual_ losses are the replacement rocket, payload and time, not the entire mission program. Trying to claim the entire $700 million would be thrown out of court.

Incidentally, NASA has lost more than a few missions to non-exploding explosive bolts in nose cones and interstage connectors. That's why SpaceX uses pneumatics for all these parts (which have a nice side benefit of not leaving fragments in orbit for a few days/weeks/months.) - this probably has a lot to do with the company getting away with bogus certification for so long.

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Re: The Struggle Between Industry and Government

" NASA was constantly pushing them to cut costs."

I've had customers do that too - and in several cases I've told them they're welcome to go to XYZ cheaper supplier because I'm not willing to compromise quality in order to match price (I knew full well what XYZ cheaper supplier was actually offering)

They invariably came back. The ones that came back still demanding I lower my prices were politely declined (in one case it was because XYZ supplier having secured lockin had tripled prices, but the client wanted me to match the initial price I'd told them was impossible to match and they'd been barely profitable in the first place)

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Re: Have teh fines, etc. been paid?

"After all, look at the "phone calls" to the FAA from current and past Boeing employees. Where were they months or years ago when the problem was already known? How much is Boeing spending to identify them?"

Look back to 2011 - and what happened to the 737NG whistleblowers, pour encourager les autres.

Incidentally: FAA and FTC employees were recently arrested trying to sell details of whistleblowers back to the companies being complained about. Such a nice country.

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Re: Have teh fines, etc. been paid?

" in this case it was a "testing lab supervisor" so lower management, but still the point stands."

Similar to one case I was involved in (Staff in welfare/tax offices selling data to private investigators) - it had been going on for more than a decade, it was happening in _every_ office in the country and yet "no one in management was aware of it".

Pull the other one Noddy, it's got bells on.

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Re: Have teh fines, etc. been paid?

"Well, let's hope they haven't been supplying any aircraft manufacturers. "

You mean like Ducummon?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/16/AR2006041600803.html??noredirect=on

It's not _just_ 737 MAXes you need to worry about, albeit for a different reason.

A real head-scratcher: Tech support called in because emails 'aren't showing timestamps'

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Re: "WTF do you think you're doing?"

"You trust yourself to proofread yourself?"

What makes you think a typist is a proofreader? _ESPECIALLY_ for code.

What's on paper is what gets typed.

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"I was at the tail end of having a lot more support staff"

Interestingly enough we're looking at needing _MORE_ support staff, because new hires have fewer basic computer skills than older ones and actually require spoon feeding most of the time.

No, a computer isn't a magic black box you can load up with anytthing/everything and no you can't send 5GB attachments by email.

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"Playing devils advocate...paper is not infallable either. From mold to cheap stock breaking down over time to flood and fire plus the high latency / seek time, paper can easily be the worse choice for an archival system."

Paper is expensive to search - making the £400 limit on FOI requests a trivial threshold.

One can (and should) argue this is constructive obstruction.

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"There have been enough recorded instances of mail boxes going bye-bye. "

Funnily enough, that's what backup tapes are for - and you should see smug faces fall through the floor when a lawyer asks for them.

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Education will possibly have been worse affected due to the combination of hierarchy with absolutely no training for anyone, ever.

And completely untrained idiots lording it over IT folk, demanding the impossible.

At one meeting in one school, the idiot in charge made one of her pronouncements "And you will do it because I say do and you're the IT people" - at which point we all looked at each other, packed up our stuff, got up and left as one, pointing out that whilst there was a government science agency coordinating the meeting, the "IT folk" attending were reps of most of the local IT businesses doing so on an unpaid donation of effort basis with the lack of respect being noted (In the end the government agency people walked away too)

Another school had the idiot in charge get a nicely (snake) oiled sales presentation by an out of town outfit resulting in a "complete network installation" being done over summer holidays behind the backs of everyone who'd been discussing how to do it properly - at 5 times the retail price of the hardware plus an eyewatering labour cost, (all hubs) mixing staff & student networking together. My reward for writing a warning about the risks and stating that if they were lucky the student who hacked them would only change their grades was to be kicked off the coordinating committee by said idiot. About a year later the inevitable happened - and when their liability insurers found out they'd been warned of the risks deemed that coverage was invalid. The cost of fixing the networking was nothing compared to the legal expenses of the massive privacy breaches. The idiot in charge still works there and still blames everyone except herself for costing the school a couple of million dollars.

Chinese dev jailed and fined for posting DJI's private keys on Github

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Re: Irony

> They only respect their own "copyright" and "patents" as such.

I suggest you enlighten yourself as to the USA's own sordid history of state-sanctioned intellectual property theft - which lasted well into the 20th century (some say it's still occuring) and has a major bearing on the country's ability to become an economic powerhouse.

Every time I see this rant, the pot and the kettle come to mind.

Internet industry freaks out over proposed unlimited price hikes on .org domain names

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Re: Domain names are all pointless

"And when you want to, hummm, send mail?"

becker!feline!halt!meh

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Re: who cares?

"It would turn the registrars, who are already barons with far too much power, into a mafia who can levy unlimited "taxes" against whomsoever they choose. "

It would also attract _very_ close attention from the FTC and its EU equivalent - both of whom will claim jurisdiction no matter where the registrars happen to be based, thanks to long-arm statutes.

This could well be the start of some _very deep_ investigations into the relationships between (former) ICANN board members and registrars and reopen some long-festering issues about (lack of) ethics of said board members.

If so, I'm going to sell popcorn.

There's NordVPN odd about this, right? Infosec types concerned over strange app traffic

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Re: nonexistent domains

These tests for non-existent domains are intended EXACTLY to catch this kind of situation.

Like, perhaps.... if you're behind the Great Firewall of China.

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"5 Eyes taps cables, they don’t really require equipment manufacturers to put in backdoors to make accessing the data easier"

I've worked in Telcos and can assure you that you're incorrect.

Companies which won't play ball on inserting backdoors are the companies which get "national security orders" prohibiting their products being used in XYZ country.

Don't forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1efOs0BsE0g

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"That's more a judgement on the western telecommunications companies rather than an attack on Huawei, although Huawei have certainly benefited from China's industrial strength."

Yup.

It should be realised that the _core_ of most Huawei kit is american (usually Broadcom) silicon, running an American hardened embedded linux operating system (https://www.windriver.com/company/) and unfortunately then badly bodged by hordes of Bangalore "payment by the yard" programmers.

on the FUD front:

The rather infamous "Huawei switches are full of security holes" video on youtube a few years back was actually a demonstration of their white labelled(under license) relabadged 3com stuff running Comware - the EXACT SAME HOLES (and worse) were in 3com kit - and since HP acquired 3com those holes have started popping up in HP kit.

What's more interesting is the _timing_ of that presentation and video release - just as Huawei dumped 3com and went with their fully independent Wind River Linux VRP systems running on Broadcom Trident family chipsets (the exact same chipset Cisco were using in their high end Nexus stuff for 5 times the price, but on par with HP and Juniper's pricing for the same chipsets)

Cisco reps used that video presentation as their major selling point "Don't buy Huawei" and got rather pissed off when I pointed out in a room full of people that the code in question was 3com's, bearing no relationship to Huawei's then-current range of switches on sale (Quidways and Cloudengines are all Broadcom/Windriver systems). They then effectively tried climbing under a desk when I asked about the videos of NSA intercepts of cisco kit that had started circulating - it was clear they had no answer for it and their entire sales push was based on "We're Cisco, buy from us, or else"

I did have a good laugh(*) when a Cisco seller offered us "fantastic 90% discounts off list price" - then took umberage when I pointed out that I could buy the exact same kit cheaper off the shelf from Insight and other brands for half that.

(*) Loudly, in their faces. BT Inet didn't like that.

Zuck it up: Facebook hit with triple whammy of legal probes, action in Canada, US, Ireland

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"If only regulators were empowered to add a 0 to the fine for each subsequent offense."

If you look at the laws you'll usually find that each _instance_ of data breach (as in per individual) can be written up as an offence, instead of them being collectivised.

Statutory per incident fines have a tendency to snowball to attention-getting numbers in a short period of time. The fact that regulators tend to avoid this says more about the regulators' being pushed hard NOT to prosecute by political forces than anything else (ie: regulatory capture)

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Re: Arguing with a regulator

"FB breaks all the rules and just keeps on going"

FB is merely the highest profile site to do so.

At this stage just about ALL of them are non-compliant with GDPR and privacy laws and have been getting away with thumbing their nose at such things for the best part of two decades,

You can choose two tactics: Try to keep your data out of their mitts (almost impossible) or pollute their feed by deliberately inserting as much irrelevant shit as you can find. I find the "choking them with a firehose" approach more fun and if everyone followed suit their data centres would fall over.

Out-of-office email ping-pong fills server after server over festive break

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Re: Never trust a CV

"An interview and a test are required for anyone wanting a technical role with me"

The test my employer uses is rather amusing - and very effectively sorts out the wheat from the chaff

What gobsmacked us was when one applicant for a fairly technical security role responded: "Oh I don't know any of that, i just get a man to do it for me." - the scary part being that she was working a similar role in a large uk government department at the time, had a couple of similar jobs earlier in her CV and had glowing references (which we'd checked).

Needless to say, she didn't get the job.

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Re: Exchange?

"I've seen nothing but trouble with automated out-of-office responses"

I regard them as "I'm away from home, please burgle me" responses.

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Re: Exchange?

"Exchange is fine for a mail server"

In short, "NO IT BLOODY WELL ISN'T"

Exchange exemplifies the MS attitude that "email is haaaard" (spoken in that annoying Barbie voice) - and took their "unique" (ie, standards breaking) approaches to internal email to the world in general via a bunch of awful kludges that made life easier for them, whilst making life significantly harder for everyone else who had actually bothered reading, understanding and implementing RFCs. MS's refusal to interact with the rest of the RFC-speaking world when told "This is wrong, fix it" is legendary - the usual response "We're MS, we know best. Fuck off"

(and who can forget the Halloween memos - they applied to email as equally as Linux. Remember this was an era where Compuserver or Novell or AT&T gatewayed email was $140/Mb and RFC-based "free" email was regarded as a potent threat to their money-printing machines)

I could regale you with the way that it stripped out essential headers and bolloxed up loop protection, or the way that it replaced 4xx and 5xx messages with something internally generated (destroying most chances of actually debugging connection issues) but anyone with a long memory will already know how bloody awful it was and still is compared with properly RFC-compliant mail systems - and how the clients STILL remove essential headers when you need a user to send things across to evaluate issues.

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Re: Exchange?

"There was an obvious mistake: using exchange."

Yup, and "Trevor" was far from the only 'admin' who bolloxed the configuration in this manner. There are a lot still misconfigured like it.

Usually people only noticed when OoO notices bounced between a couple of people on the same server, but occasionally it'd happen between a couple of misconfigured systems across the net.

Accenture sued over website redesign so bad it Hertz: Car hire biz demands $32m+ for 'defective' cyber-revamp

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Re: Agreed

"Anyway that company that also wanted £32,000 a month for ongoing costs (website updates and marketing support) was binned a couple of weeks after the show and tell."

It took that long?

"They weren't happy that the dev team had looked under the sheets"

The history of website cowboys goes back to the beginning of the web.

I know one company which paid a couple of million for something so bad that their print team knocked up a better site in an afternoon just to get rid of it.

IT sales star wins $660k lawsuit against Oracle in Qatar – but can't collect because the Oracle he sued suddenly vanished

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> They are only screwing their workforce so they can give YOU (the customer) a better deal!!

As an employee of one of those customers (and having to work with one of the products in question):

"Uh yeah. right."

Behold, the insides of Samsung's Galaxy Fold: The phone that tears down all on its own

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Re: Folding is not the right way I think.

> I still think the rolling screen idea is far better for this type of phone.

Yup

> Like has been shown in various movies and would look more like a scroll

Tekwar tv series "PDA" springs to mind. That design even gives something to hold onto.

> - only issue with that is the touch screen bits.

The only real issue there is having sufficient rigidity to stop it flexing too much.

Wi-Fi Alliance ditches 802.11 spec codes for consumer-friendly naming scheme

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Re: 'Wi-Fi Alliance' is a marketing company that has no official involvement in the spec.

"802.11 is the IEEE name for the specification"

802.11 was the name IEEE applied after-the-fact to AT&T Wavelan/Rangelan 1.6Mb/s networking - this really did work on 14 individual non-interfering channels (11/12/13ISM depending where you were in the world + 1 ham channel (or a 14th if you were in Japan))

802.11b and later friends bore little resemblence to Wavelan.

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Re: 11Gb/sec

"So when we were tearing the house apart I just went for it."

For the last 25 years I've been telling people not to bother trying to futureproof by laying shitloads of cable because it'll probably be obsolete by the time they get around to using it.

Instead, futureproof by making it easy to RUN new cables without tearing the place apart. Ducting is your friend.

Baffling tale of Apple shops' 'non-facial' 'facial recognition', a stolen ID, and a $1bn lawsuit after a wrongful arrest

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Re: A Good Counter Argument ...

"On an earlier occasion I got stopped because - apparently - I looked like someone who had been reported by several women as a sexual attacker. That was facial recognition by a human cop."

One of my employees had something similar happen to him (a cop was supposedly attacked in a home invasion and arson by some "satanic gothy person")

Some weeks later, the "victim" was arrested and charged with making the story up (all the forensics pointed to him having done it himself and rather pointedly all the injuries were clearly self-inflicted) - it was at the height of the 1980s "satanic devil worshippers" scares that included childcare workers being prosecuted for operating covens in creches (very Salam witch trially, and some people are still in jail on convictions on this despite the "victims" having come out later saying they were coached into things by certain child psychologists - (known to have a fixation on satanic cults and to be religious nutters) - Not because they were found guilty, but because they still proclaim their innocence and are therefore "not accepting they did wrong")

It turned out the police knew the "attack" was faked all along - but that didn't stop them hassling the _shit_ out of anyone who looked remotely like the description of the ficticious attacker on the basis that one of their own had been taken down.

At least in this case there _is_ evidence showing the guy wasn't where $BIGCORP says he was and isn't who they say he is, else he'd probably be railroaded just so they could make a point.

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Re: We're only now entering 1984

It's been 1984 for some time.

Make Orwell Fiction again.

High Court confirms the way UK banned GSM gateways was illegal

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Re: A Debt Repaid

"If a minister such as Mr. Wallace, or a top civil servant such as Mr. Rutnam, makes an egregious over-reaching blunder "

Then they should be held personally accountable through the courts and lose the shirts off their backs.

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Re: Even if it makes it harder to track Criminals and Terrorists:

Some people need to learn the principle of 3 dimensional political structuring (left/right, authoritarian/relaxed, regulated/lassaiz-faire). Add more dimensions to suit.

If you ever played D&D, thnk of the the concepts of the axis of law-neutral-chaos and good-neutral-evil and extend it a bit.

One-dimensional political thinking is a bit stringy.

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Re: it's just not enough...

"I took the case to OfCom"

Pardon? Why are you taking a _trading standards_ case to Ofcom - a technical regulator?

Take it to small claims.

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Re: Who breaks the law?

"It might be a good time to start ramping up the number of GDPR cases"

Against the government.

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Re: Even if it makes it harder to track Criminals and Terrorists:

"No fishing expeditions or entrapment. It's a democracy, not a dictatorship or evil regime."

This is one of the reasons _WHY_ UK.gov wants out of the EU and its continued frustration of the government's attempts to go on such fishing expeditions and entrapment attempts.

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"The boys and girls at Cheltenham spend a lot of time analysing the meta data,"

As did the folks at Bletchley Park.

The significance of metadata is not to be underestimated.

Micron's new 9300 SSDs are bigger, faster and simpler... which is nice

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Re: 16 TB. And if it fails?

Geographically dispersed replicated storage simply means that "rm -rf /" deletes files in more locations than you were expecting.

"Local Catastrophes" encompasses more than just disks, servers or server rooms going titsup and telling the finance department they can't have their files back from the Whizbang kamakuza hightech multibuilding distributed storage system because Stubbins their tea boy deleted them (and their snapshots) when he meant to start the robotic kettle on is going to cost both of you your jobs.

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Re: 16 TB. And if it fails?

"It makes for a very timely restore, quick access to single files, and doesn't require huge expense with tape libraries and the like."

This is an important factor to consider.

Apart from the library costs (robots are cheap), a LTO8 drive to slot into one runs to around $22k, which does offset the $130/tape somewhat.

On the flipside, I trust my tape backups far more than anything done to any other kind of media, and: "a new tape library on short notice of a very particular model / compatibility is going to cost you big" is simply FUD - in an emergency all you need is access to the right kind of tape drive (pulled out of the back of the library and removed from its sled if necessary) - any software which can't handle that is unfit for purpose. Sure, you have to change the tapes manually but a robot is for convenience when doing restores, not an essential piece of kit.

FYI: Get ready for face scans on leaving the US because 1.2% of visitors overstayed their visas

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Re: Hmm

"That's what I thought."

Unlike most other countries, US airports are _extremely_ porous with virtually zero segmentation between domestic and international travel sections (in a lot of cases the SAME GATES are used for both kinds of flights across the same day and there have been several recorded cases at JFK alone of arriving planeloads of international flight passengers walking straight into domestic arrivals thanks to airport staff fucking up)

It's far too easy for someone to slip into the hallways and boarding queues without passing through CBP, or for passports to be passed to someone else. The ease and frequency of luggage theft from american airports should be the clue.

Take your pick: 0/1/* ... but beware – your click could tank an entire edition of a century-old newspaper

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Re: Talking of paper...

"you were probably using a pretty good printer."

Not all 1980s printers were FX80s.

in the early 1980s I watched chain printers printing phone bills - the fanfold paper would climb two feet above the printer's exit port before arcing down to the tray. Most telcos had 2-3 of these running all day every day.

Printers like the Epson DFX9000 (which still exist - at £4000 a pop - and with £1000 printheads incorporating a sapphire block at their core.) run at over 1500cps - I had one of these and rented it out extensively in 1999 - these are still popular in places like fulfilment centres due to their ability to make 10-part carbons.

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Re: Close

"Flying monkeys would be an improvement."

I have this vision of the staff at the Genius bar wearing strap on demonic wings.

It'd suit them.

Tesla touts totally safe, not at all worrying self-driving cars – this time using custom chips

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Re: What Rot

"These companies working on self driving cars are not required to fully disclose their research"

In the USA.

"and have no incentive to admit how impossible the task of making self driving cars actually is."

In the USA.

Thats' the same USA where the aviation regulator allowed Boeing to rat rod the 737 into the NG (which is mildly unstable(*)), shopped whistleblowers to Boeing when they flagged forged documentation on crucial airframe structural members (supposed to be precision CNC machined, actually made sloppily by hand and beaten to fit, broke badly in several minor crashes killing at least 20 people and corroded badly in service, will result in airframes falling out of the sky) and then waved extreme rat rodding of the 737MAX and sloppy software through.

It was a world technology leader once. Now it's leading the world in other areas - such as corruption.

(*) You can't power a NG out of a stall. It's one of the few aircraft you MUST put the nose down _FIRST_ in, then power up. The MAX is even worse - and a stall can happen easily in a low speed turn, so don't think it's just "pulling up"

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Re: Human drivers don't get stuck.

"There's always an Audi to break the deadlock."

And the cyclist - one of my cow-orkers ended up underneath such a vehicle with a shattered skull and months off work.

The driver's excuse? She didn't see him as she came off the roundabout at 40mph and straight over the top of him - and tried to drive off before being stopped by witnesses.

One of the benefits of having robocars is that their driving standards will rapidly result in MINIMUM human standards being sharply increased - after all, if you're an incompetent driver you can get a machine to do it. This will be driven by insurers and they WILL require periodic retesting just like they did in aviation before it became law. No play, no premium - and you won't be discriminated against if they refuse to insure you as you can always get a machine to drive you.

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Re: If, if, and more if's....

"when a driver encounters parked cars on their side of the road or a slow cyclist they have to decide whether and when it is safe to move into the oncoming lane and pass them."

I've watched SUV drivers put cyclists into hedges on lanes - breaking bones on more than one occasion.

I've watched those same SUV drivers _SCREAM_ at me to get my car out of the way because they can't get their tanks past me, despite having 8 feet of clearance between my car and the other hedge.

I've watched an elderly boy racer take off every single wing mirror on parked cars for 100 yards, and not stop (he must've been about 70)

I trust a machine to measure such things far more accurately than any human AND to give adequate clearance to other users.

You may THINK you are a better driver than average - but apparently so do 80% of other road users - and the better you think you are, the worse the driving usually is.

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Re: If, if, and more if's....

"Currently when they get stuck a human driver has to take over."

The human driver doesn't have to be onboard.

"Human drivers don't get stuck."

Uh yeah. Right. You haven't been watching the same "bad driving UK/Oz/USA/NZ/wherever" youtube videos I have.

Even Lewis Hamilton has off days. Mere mortals make mistakes every couple of minutes some drivers are just plain asleep at the wheel whilst others have a death wish. Road rules and safety regulations are generally setup so that it takes _at least_ 3 (if not 5) serious errors to cause a crash (sometimes the errors are the road designer's), but they still happen regularly.

Having _consistent_ driving on the roads will bring its own benefits:

Slow rural drivers in particular are a dire statistical menace all of their own as they put everyone trying to pass them on the wrong side of the road (speeders only put themselves on the wrong side) - this is why inconsistent speed limits for different vehicle types is dangerous.

City gridlock is invariably caused by arseholes trying to barge their way through, blocking intersections and choking narrow points.

Then there are the rat runs, etc etc.

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Re: This time for sure?

"If Tesla can show the insurance companies that a Tesla will have less accidents than a human over a relevant statistical sample then they'll be queuing up - especially since they would still charge an extra "AI Premium" and cream off profits for a few years."

They'll charge the extra premium on repair costs, however that won't last long - because:

As soon as it's shown that Robocars in control have statistically fewer big crashes AND small dings than humans (and the video evidence will be compelling evidence that humans are driving into robocars, therefore insurers will probably start foregoing "knock-for-knock" handling of claims, resulting in humans facing increasingly $$LARGE repair/medical liabilities) then you'll see premiums for human-controlled vehicles (or humans taking control of robocars) start to climb steadily whilst robocar premiums either stay steady or decline (There will still be vandalism, hit'n'run whilst parked and other claims to deal with, but that constant surveillance is going to make anonymous damage to an unattended vehicle pretty much a thing of the past and result in a lot of people finding themselves with criminal records for behaviour they've been getting away with for years)

That in turn is going to result in a knee point of adoption.

Think it won't happen? Look at photos of cities in the early 20th century and look at how fast the transition from mostly horse+cart to mostly motor-vehicle was (about 15 years)

The flipside of this is that personal vehicle ownership is likely to start declining. The single most expensive part of a taxi is the driver. Eliminate the wetware and it's far cheaper to use a hire vehicle than to pay the standing costs of a personal one - personal vehicles will become the preserve of the rich again and pedestrians are likely to reclaim the streets as car-park jammed curbs become a thing of the past.

This will have knock-on effects too. Westminster and other councils haven't planned for this change and they stand to lose 30-50% of their income very quickly - even in the short term, a robocar can be instructed to go park somewhere cheaper. They're going to be scrambling to make up the difference, as are podunk shitholes that make money by setting up speedtraps.

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Re: This time for sure?

"Maybe their new chip will..."

Comparing oranges and applesauce there sunshine. The older Autopilot very explicitly came with warnings that it COULD NOT detect and stop for stationary objects in its path when travelling in excess of fifty miles per hour.

Letting your cruise control drive into such things is on par with putting your hand into a blender and then complaining that your fingers hurt.

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Re: PT Barnum...

"I'd want to see about a decade of driving results that are substantially better than the typical Human before I accepted any claim out of his gob."

It isn't that hard to drive better than a human most of the time, and it isn't that hard to drive better than most humans.

The bigger problem is programmatically adhering to rigid rules such as "PEDESTRIANS WILL NOT CROSS THE ROAD EXCEPT AT DESIGNATED POINTS", which sound fine to wetware but when interpreted literally result in automated killing machines roaming the streets mowing down pedestrians who dare to try.

Thankfully only the USA and a couple of other authoritarian countries have such "car is KING" type rules, and even then, "common sense" gets applied by human drivers. A machine programmed with such rules that runs into a parade and marching band won't stop for them, which will make for a whole new interpretation of American (road) Pies.

Google have got it pretty much right. Uber utterly fucked up.