Re: Never trust a junkie
Er, no, Chris, sorry. You can't call her that out loud. Try again.
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Folks, I'm personally totally with you in your lack of warm feelings for the Home Secretary, but if you could find creative ways to lambast her that stop a mite short of fervent wishes for bad things to befall her, I won't have to reject them and the debate can rage on.
I do hope she doesn't get what she would like for Christmas, though.
Ah, it'll be fine as long as the images can be proven to have artistic merit (proper pron not having a shred of that). Easily done with reference to the Official Artistic Merit Scale. I reckon most of the Madonna stuff, shot as it was by some very talented photographers, will safely register above 5.5.
Mind you, they'll have to check those figures against the Big Book of Stuff It's OK To Feel Rude About (UCL, 2001).
I think we all have a bigger issue to deal with, don't we? It's very easy to get something like this passed because on the face of it it seems like a good thing - drinking on public transport is a pretty skanky activity, most would agree, and wouldn't it be that tiny bit more pleasant for all of us without it, etc. But, tiresome as it may be, this is a personal freedom thing. I'm a perfectly decorous traveller and if I want to have a drink from the fridge on my way out for the night, I think I should be able to do that without being put in the same bracket as some anti-social, intimidating little bastard.
In any case, you need to think about how long it is in these instances before laws will come in that do affect you, even if the initial steps like this one don't bother you. It's not all just about you, you know.
I wonder where they're going to stand on shandy.
Oh dear, the old 'London is full of rude people' saw. Actually, I think you'll find it's full of very polite and personal-space-conscious people, otherwise it couldn't function, because we'd all be engaged in a city-wide mass brawl all the livelong day.
I shan't start defending Bob Crow because you're clearly just dangling a worm there, aren't you. On a string, all the way from... whereabouts are you? Northampton? Cleethorpes? I'm so sorry.
There's no 'need' to drink on the tube, but er, that's kind of missing the point. Even if this would work or do any good, which it won't, it's nothing more than an initial territorial piddle in the shape of a cynical political gesture.
Just for the record, I didn't vote for the berk.
You're still doing it. Why assume? And why always the cynical assumption? Why wouldn't I think a particular artist is worthy of the plaudits she gets?
I don't think we're actually having the same argument here. You've got every right to your opinion, I'm just pointing out that it's at odds with the critical consensus, with which I happen to agree. (But that's because I think it's correct in this instance, not simply because it is a consensus, do you see?)
And you're still missing the point about the hype and the froth. You're completely suckered by it. Just because she is surrounded by a lot of the same crap that lesser artists get by on, doesn't make her one of them.
I've been to see her, incidentally. She was an hour late on, but she did perform, and she was really extraordinary. Of course it's Very Bad that she often can't get her shit together (although it doesn't occur as often, or as badly, as the tabs have told you) but I think anyone who's seen her perform at all will value it more in years to come than any number of smoothly executed, identikit, unimpeachably professional gigs by The Whoeverthefucks.
I did see your comparison to Jordan, and it's no more apposite the second time around.
I'm genuinely baffled by the suggestion that anyone who happens to admire someone or something which has been lauded by others can only possibly be 'following the trend' or 'pwned by the marketing guys'. You do know free will exists, don't you? And why would you have me 'pegged' as the type to do anything in any context? Based on what?
It's rather like suggesting that anyone who criticises another person is 'just jealous'. That is undeniably the case on occasion, or the cliche would never have been born, but it's rather indolent and backward and absurd to take that as your default position every time.
I think you're the one having trouble seeing past the hype and froth and cynical publicity bullshit, not me.
Oh Lee, I was all set to justify my perfectly reasonable statements on the basis of my experience in entertainment journalism, cite any number of swiftly-Googleable respected sources who go a lot further in their endorsement, etc. But then I realised you were merely allowing me to have an opinion
>>If you had said she was one of your favourite artists of our generation, or even one of the most distinctive that would be fine.
You are too kind! I wouldn't want to push it beyond that, you might get cross.
And then you said
>>Oh, and in today's music / entertainment industry what you look like is at least as important as what you sound like, surely you are cynical enough to recognise that.
Regardless of the fact that we are talking specifically about a film theme, to be run over an opening sequence and most unlikely to feature the singer's image.
And then there was all that credibility stuff. The last bit, I was totally with you. And I couldn't hope to add anything.
Mwah.
Hello, Giles. Thank you for your question.
This particular story about a film theme is in Odds and Sods >> Entertainment.
That is, it has been filed in the section for odds and sods - specifically, the bit pertaining to entertainment.
There is no IT angle.
This is the part of this website where there is no requirement for an IT angle.
If you would like to read about IT then please repair to the home page where you will find all manner of stories with IT fairly coming out of their ears.
Now, would you like me to scratch your arse for you, or have you got that covered?
I wouldn't deny the importance of Oasis (up to a point) nor the brilliance of Liam as an actual rock star nor their influence (on a lot of really unneccessary and mediocre bands, though), but are these things the only reliable measure of importance? If Oasis are important, does that mean Winehouse can't be? Of course she's important.
Nuts to the Mars Volta, give me Sparta any day. (See, I don't care THAT much about importance. It's all subjective and er, mostly decided by overgrown adolescent boys at the decreasingly influential NME, which no one over 16 has any excuse to read anymore.)
I bet you're not a pretty picture either, Chris.
I'm going to need so many substances to get through this thread if none of you are going to acknowledge that she's one of the best artists of our generation, regardless of the tabloid mess that any intelligent bean with ears should be able to see past. In fact, I think a trip to the Hawley Arms at lunchtime, followed by a lost afternoon culminating in an alleged assault and a mislaid ballet pump.
You do know that she was the moderator here before she was famous, don't you? It explains EVERYthing.
It's in the linked report (page 5). I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to consider mental illness as a likely factor under the circumstances, rather than flap their arms and go "surely that's murder", whether it's directly mentioned or not. But then I suppose a good arm-flap burns more calories than a moment's thought.