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Let’s check in on the .org sale fiasco: Senators say No, internet grandees say Yes – and ICANN pretends there's absolutely nothing to see here

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Unblow your mind

"an organization chartered by the Government"

No, it isn't, and it never was, although for some years it was bound by a contract with the US Government.

And actually, despite all the shouting, ICANN does what it's supposed to: it ensures that the DNS root servers are well coordinated; it registers thousands of protocol parameters (that's the IANA function); and it assigns top level domains to registrars under certain conditions.

You may not like how it does the last part; I don't like it myself, but that's a different question.

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Re: Follow the money it's been said.

"Who gets the money?"

The Internet Society gets the money. That's the whole f***ing point mate.

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Not even with a very long bargepole

" I don't think the IEEE have a good claim to it, but the IETF does. "

Rubbish. In fact claptrap. Firstly, the IETF wouldn't touch this with a bargepole. Secondly, the conflict of interest would be blatant and massive, since the IETF is funded by... guess what... PIR's revenue stream. So (unlike the PIR sale, which is a very straightforward and transparent deal, whatever the snowflakes are claiming) this would be way outside any version of fair dealing.

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Are you kidding?

" the most important decision that ICANN may ever make."

Are you f***ing kidding? The most important decision ICANN could ever make was its very early (if not first) one to expand the number of TLDs without apparent limit, thereby creating an inflationary market in silly names and allowing it to be exploited by unscrupulous money grabbers.

Allowing the sale of the current operator of one stable and respected TLD registrar is small change in comparison.

But, anything that makes ICANN look bad is fair game for some people.

ICANN finally reveals who’s behind purchase of .org: It’s ███████ and ██████ – you don't need to know any more

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This is not journalism

"Adding to the sense that the entire transaction resulted from insider knowledge and careful manipulation..."

What "sense" is that? Who, exactly, are you accusing of "insider knowledge" when PIR isn't a traded stock, so not one shred of insider dealing can possibly be involved?

Of course people are careful. ISOC is being careful to keep its 501(c) status, as is every non-profit with a measureable budget. It would be dereliction of duty for ISOC to do otherwise. And it's entirely normal practice to construct holding companies for transactions of this size.

ICANN is following its own privacy policy? Shocking!

I'm reassured that people like Joe Abley and Suzanne Woolf are involved. Anybody who knows them knows that they will defend the integrity of DNS operation to the end.

Kieran likes to smell smoke whenever ICANN is mentioned, and to imply that since he can smell smoke, there must be a fire. That's not journalism, sorry.

MI5 gros fromage: Nah, US won't go Huawei from dear old Blighty over 5G, no matter what we do

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Re: We've been down this road before.

Indeed, Trump and his regime lie so much and so often that even if they showed me a wolf in the act of attacking my sheep, I wouldn't believe them (because they probably forged the video, or it was somebody else's sheep). So the UK government must stand firm on this and pick the best/cheapest supplier.

As internet pioneers fight to preserve .org’s non-profit status, those in charge are hiding behind dollar signs

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Re: Does ICANN actually DO anything?

Yes. It makes sure the DNS root servers continue to work securely and reliably, it registers thousands of protocol parameters free of charge for the IETF and the whole Internet, and it ensures that DNS name registries (for the non-national top level domains) are unique and functional. You can disagree with some aspects of how it does the last bit, but it needs to be done.

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14-day board meeting

>>> ISOC officially had a non-stop 14-day board meeting

>> Is that what they call a cocaine n' meth fuelled rave?

No, it's called a "myth". Another of Kieran's economies of truth.

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Re: The basic problem

ICANN has been controversial since Day One (in 1998). Nothing changed when the final contract between ICANN and the US Government lapsed, because ICANN had always been expecting that to happen. It caused less disruption than the Y2K fizzle.

Many people criticise ICANN, me included. But most of what it's done was going to happen anyway, because like it or not we live in a world governed by free market economics. Change that, and ICANN will change in response.

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Re: The basic problem

The basic problem with your comment is that "The basic problem is that ICANN is supposed to manage the Internet as a whole" is absolute rubbish. For the topic of this thread, all that ICANN manages is the right to register names in top level domains. This trivial job has turned out to pay very well, but fortunately it's a rather minor matter from a technical point of view, even if highly visible.

Nobody manages the Internet as a whole, fortunately.

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Vultures Circling?

Milton Mueller has posted some common sense: click here.

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A grassroots global organization

"As flawed as the Internet Society is – it purports to be a grassroots global organization but in actuality is more of a Washington lobby group for internet engineers"

I didn't need to look at the by line to know who wrote this twaddle. I suggest asking the ISOC Chapters around the world what they think, or checking the affiliations of the ISOC Board members, to see if it looks like a Washington lobby group.

Of course ISOC lobbies, notably in Geneva and other international locations. But it's always been clear that any lobbying in Washington D.C. is done by the local Washington chapter of ISOC, not by ISOC HQ.

Cogent cut off from ARIN Whois after scraping net engineers' contact details and sliding them to sales staff

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shut them off from the net...

"Just shut them off from the net completely..." is not something ARIN can do, even if it was a legal option. Do you imagine John Curran opening manholes and cutting fibres, or what?

Firefox 72: Floating videos, blocking fingerprints, and defeating notification pop-ups

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Re: Nope ...

Yes, FF updates have to be treated with extreme caution these days. I've had to stop updates by policy (at 71.0) because, well, it works.

Bruce Perens quits Open Source Initiative amid row over new data-sharing crypto license: 'We've gone the wrong way with licensing'

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Re: Am I missing something ?

As I understand the following clauses:

4.2.1. No Withholding User Data

4.2.2. No Technical Measures that Limit Access

4.2.3. No Legal or Contractual Measures that Limit Access

this basically says "you can't screw around your users" if you use the licensed crypto code to encrypt user data. That's pretty powerful, and it's certainly taking an open source licence where no open source licence has travelled before. But it seems to be in the spirit of OSS, extended to user data. I like it.

Bruce pretending that open source licences mean that developers don't need lawyers is pretty remarkable. Sure, they don't need lawyers to put their code under a given licence. I do it all the time (well, occasionally). But if they get sued, or if someone takes their code and breaks the terms of the licence, they definitely need a lawyer.

A user's magnetic charm makes for a special call-out for our hapless hero

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Re: Floppy drives

I only want to say that holes, or their absence, in punched tapes or cards have never been altered by unexpected magnetic fields. M. Jacquard and Mr. Hollerith were no fools.

Beware the three-finger-salute, or 'How I Got The Keys To The Kingdom'

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Re: Inconveniently placed keys

Acer?

El Reg presents: Your one-step guide on where not to store electronic mail

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Moving story

So I know an operating system where move (mv), remove (rm) and cp (copy) all do different things. For example 'remove' does not repeat 'move'. I suspect there are some excellent help desk stories there.

I did once hear a tale of a Soviet visitor to the West who entered M for MOVE instead of C for COPY on a JCL card when attempting to steal a Fortran compiler from an MVS mainframe. He was intercepted at the airport with his mag tape before he could board his Aeroflot flight to Moscow, since the removal of the compiler was rather quickly noticed.

European Space Agency launches planet-hunting Cheops while Rocket Lab starts on a third launchpad

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RAP (Recycling Acronyms Policy)

ESA's exoplanet mission, Cheops (CHaracterising ExOPlanet Satellite)

I'm glad to see that ESA believes in recycling: CHEOPS : really using a satellite.

Hey, ICANN, if you need good reasons to halt the .org super-sell-off, here are two: Higher fees, more website downtime

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Fake news through and through

The sale of the .org registry to a for-profit private equity firm would have “a disastrous effect on stability,” a DNS specialist has warned.
This is simply absurd and unjustified by reality. It's positively Trumpian in its disregard for both facts and commercial reality.

PIR has always made money; it's only 'non-profit' because it hands the spare money over to its non-profit owner. It will be in the new owner's commercial interest to maintain service quality and competitive pricing.

ICANN demands transparency from others over .org deal. As for itself… well, not so much

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Re: Great article Kieran.

You can buy ready-made Delaware corporations at any time. Do you realise that havens like Panama copied their laws about corporations from Delaware?

PIR, however, is incorporated in Pennsylvania, so it's a Pennsylvania court that has to approve the sale.

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Re: If I had the money....

But you don't have the money. That is the entire point. If you don't like the fact that DNS registration is a privatised money-making business, please complain to the Clinton Administration in 1998 and stop them from privatising it.

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Meetings, meetings

ISOC’s Board typically meets for one or two days but on its website it claims to have held a Board meeting for 14 straight days (October 28 - November 10). ... That not only seems extremely unlikely...

The ISOC Board, as anyone could discover, regularly meets by teleconference, possibly using this Internet thingy. There's nothing unlikely about them doing so daily for two weeks during such a critical discussion. As an ISOC member, I'd expect nothing less.

And on the substance: Andrew Sullivan has said since the beginning that ISOC is bound by an NDA and can only release what the purchaser agrees to release. That really isn't unusual or surprising in a deal worth more than a billion. ICANN is right to ask for clarifications, of course. (I don't think I've ever written a sentence before starting "ICANN is right".)

Internet Society says opportunity to sell .org to private equity biz for $1.14bn came out of the blue. Wow, really?

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Re: This is basically an organized coup

Rubbish. You are ignoring the facts (that the money will go into an endowment fund to continue paying for exactly what the .org registry has been paying for the last 15 years.) And you are libelling people who as far as you actually know have done nothing illegal and taken no personal advantage. If I was your lawyer, I'd be advising you to shut up.

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Re: This looks shady....

You should really look at the facts before starting to libel people.

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No. ISOC remains a non-profit and pays its staff fairly, like any non-profit must.

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Re: I'm also wondering what a non-profit organisation will do with $1.14bn ...

Or you could consider the facts (the money will go into an endowment fund to finance ISOC's work for the indefinite future).

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Re: Breach of trust.

Well, no, there was no breach of trust and no broken promise, despite the polemics that have been floating around. .org has been supporting ISOC financially for many years. Nothing new here, unless you're only just discovering that name registration has been a profit-making business since 1998.

And the "news" story you are commenting on is highly suspect:

"...the two men who subsequently agreed the secret sale of .org..."

If it was secret, why was it announced in a press release? This is just playing with words to make a non-existent point.

US Embassy in London files extradition request for ex-Autonomy boss over HPE fraud charges

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Re: Past misdeeds

"So HP/Lynch could be regarded as revenge."

That would only be the case if Autonomy really was a swindle, which is very far from being established.

Internet Society CEO: Most people don't care about the .org sell-off – and nothing short of a court order will stop it

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Re: Depressing, ...

Oh yes, an increase on a fee of $10 a year in a highly competitive market will really screw Médecins Sans Frontières.

Yes, this discussion is depressing. Engage brain and think.

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Re: What a load of bull

You appear to believe in magic. All a registrar does is maintain a list of names. "Stewardship" seems to contain some moral content but there isn't any: it's only a list of names. If you don't like the charge for keeping "myvanityname.org" on a list, go and get it for less money as "myvanityname.co" (which was the cheapest on offer when I looked a couple of days ago).

So yes, a load of bull.

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Re: Most people don't care one way or another.

Exactly. The fact is that the US Govt created a competitive free market in top-level domain registrations in 1998 and we've lived with it ever since. In the big scheme of things, this sale is a tiny detail.

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Re: Self serving SOB

ISOC didn't go looking for a buyer and they obviously couldn't discuss the deal in public before the handshake, as for any other negotiated deal. If you bought or sold a house in your life, did you place a newspaper article about the price negotiation?

The ISOC CEO is salaried, of course, but the Board isn't and there are no shares.

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Re: Because an open and transparent auction wouldn't have maximised the value at all!

"Will the board suddenly get a very large bonus...?"

No. If you read the ISOC's Articles of Incorporation, you'll see why not. It's a non-profit and the Board members aren't paid a cent.

Internet Society's Vint 'father of the 'net' Cerf dodges dot-org sell-off during public Q&A

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Re: At around 1550 local time, Cerf, as meeting chairman, was handed an iPad...

Kieren strikes again.

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Re: Umm...

I suggest reading one of the many good books about the history of the Internet. It had no one Father or Mother.

Also, Vint is not a crook. I think you should be careful about defamatory remarks like that.

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Re: What's next?

Will they sell off .GOV in a year or two?

The registrar for that is the US General Services Administration, so I suggest you ask them.

trust in the .ORG name

That's a very curious concept. In what sense can you have trust in an arbitrary string of 3 letters that are part of a longer name that (since 1998) has simply been reserved for a small sum of money. Would "iamaswindler.org" seem more trustworthy than "iamaswindler.com"?

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Re: RFC 1591

Sullivan, who was the one trying to use the RFC as a justification

No he wasn't. He was successfully using it to correct an error of fact: .org has never been reserved for non-profit registrants.

Yes, I know that facts can be annoying, but that doesn't stop them being facts.

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Re: Shamelessness is the new black

If it was decided that privatising .org was a Good Thing for the Internet

What on Earth do you mean? The TLD business was privatised in 1998 when the US Government forced the creation of ICANN. That's when .org was privatised, and when registering names became a competitive market -- whether you liked it or not (and I didn't, but facts are facts). After about 5 years, in 1983 .org was transferred to Public Interest Registry Inc. (which is itself a non-profit corporation, but there is no such restriction for other .org registrants).

If you actually read the information posted recently by pir.org, you might get a less distorted view of what is actually happening.

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Unlikely...

"It is extremely unlikely that any other TLDs will be created."

That was Postel's view in 1994. By 1998 when he died, he knew that new TLDs had become inevitable, mainly due to the Clinton Administration, and Ira Magaziner in particular, who were trying to move the Internet from governmental to commercial hands.

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Re: I agree

Which TLD did he think was a better fit for non-profits?

That's irrelevant. The point is that .org was never intended to be exclusively for non-profits, and the letter from non-profits essentially claims that it was. In most circles that's known as a lie.

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Re: Excellent reporting!

Except that, Kieran-like, he editorialises:

Sullivan responded in a blog post making the somewhat remarkable case that .org was never really intended to be for non-profit outfits.
and gets it wrong. The case isn't "remarkable"; it's strictly true. RFC1591 defined .org in 1994 with these words:
ORG - This domain is intended as the miscellaneous TLD for organizations that didn't fit anywhere else. Some non-government organizations may fit here.
Nothing whatever to do with non-profit.

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Re: "Is ISOC 'severely harming' its reputation"

I suspect that ISOC cares a lot about its reputation, but please note that it's been living off .org registration revenue for many years, and the deal (if it closes) will effectively convert that revenue stream into an investment fund. ISOC will then live off the returns from that fund until IPv6 addresses run out.

Whether Ethos runs .org ethosically (sorry) is a separate question.

We are absolutely, definitively, completely and utterly out of IPv4 addresses, warns RIPE

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Lies, damned lies, and statistics that don't lie.

But the real, real reason that people are not moving to IPv6 is because of the utterly idiotic decision by the IETF 20 years ago not to make IPv6 backwards compatible with IPv4.
When will you stop repeating this claim? IPv4 contains no provision for address extensions beyond 32 bits; it is therefore a simple logical fact that there can be no such thing as a backwards-compatible new version. You can't invent a way for a machine that believes all addresses are 32 bits long to receive or send packets with longer addresses.

Do you seriously imagine that the IETF was unaware of this in 1994 when the basic IPv6 design was adopted? Do you seriously not know that since then, work on coexistence, transition and IPv4/IPv6 translation has been going on? How else do you think 25% of the Internet could be IPv6 without a catastrophe? (Incidentally, the statistics at https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html are still increasing and approaching 30%. Another fact check on your story.)

If you want to blame anybody, blame the designers of IPv4... more than 40 years ago.

You'll never get Huawei with this, FCC tells US telcos: Buy Chinese kit and you won't see another dime from us

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WTO WTF

Hmmm... that's clearly a discriminatory subsidy so I would guess that it's a serious breach of WTO rules. Not that the Trump administration seems to care about little details like international treaty obligations, of course.

Huawei with you! FCC's American Pai proposes rip-and-replace of scary Chinese comms kit

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Re: You have to hand it to Pai

So will his next job be at Cisco?

EU's top court sees no problem with telling Facebook to take content down globally

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Re: Lots of laws!

The problem with "international law" is that it's pretty much mythical, and certainly non-existent in this area. If anything, human rights argue against censorship, and international libel law doesn't exist. I think FB will ignore this ruling outside the EU.

Why worry about cost of banning certain Chinese comms providers? Fire Huawei, says analyst

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Re: I'm getting tired of this bullshit

"the main hacking threat is from China"

That is amazingly irrelevant to the choice of supplier. Actually it means that Huawei is probably better at defeating Chinese hackers than the EuroAmerican companies are.

DoH! Mozilla assures UK minister that DNS-over-HTTPS won't be default in Firefox for Britons

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Shifting what where?

As we previously reported, DoH is all about shifting domain-name queries – which try to match domain names with server IP addresses – over a secure, encrypted HTTPS connection to a DNS server, rather than via an unprotected, unencrypted bog-standard DNS connection.
Not quite. It's about shifting domain-name queries from a DNS server that you or your ISP runs to one that some third party advertising site runs, incidentally encrypting the traffic. D'oh!, indeed.

You've got (Ginni's) mail! Judge orders IBM to cough up CEO, execs' internal memos in age-discrim legal battle

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Re: Good luck

Yes, even 10 years ago Lotus Notes inside IBM was set up to auto-delete mail after 6 months. Very annoying when working on any long term project.