Posts by Ian Michael Gumby

No wonder why you posted as AC

Cant even get the joke straight ...

Was it African or European....

@Asgard

Actually I used murder because I didn't want you to run off and try and argue that the EAW is abusive because of what Assange did wouldn't be considered rape in the UK or his home country Australia. That argument is moot because the EAW does take in to consideration that each country has their own legal systems.

The point was that a person allegedly broke the law in Country A and fled to country B. Country A issues an EAW to have Country B return him to face charges and a trial.

You attempt to make an argument that holds no water. Country A is merely attempting to use the EAW which both countries are party to.

This is democracy and criminal law in action.

Its very scary that you fail to grasp the simple facts of the case. Or what is correct in a democratic society.

@PatientOne...

I don't know if you actually read the coverage of the first appeal. This is where Sweden's lawyer had cross examined Assange's Swedish lawyer who made the claim that he was not contacted by the prosecution. These are the statements presented by Assange's lawyers in UK court.

Under cross the attorney for Assange recanted his testimony while under cross. Seems that the Prosecution had texted him about getting his client to come in. You know the interview where at the end he gets charged... ;-)

Those are the facts and we're still wondering what's going to happen to Assange's lawyer.

More than likely. Assange's lawyers are trying to stall this out for as long as possible. The longer it takes, the less likely the accusers will want to deal with the unwanted publicity and will want some closure and just move on.... Or over time, memories fade. Its their testimony that will be used in court. All of this works in favor of the defense. At the same the defense is gambling that the Swedes will lose their taste for this trial.

As to the EAW, again, this isn't a good test case on the validity of the law. Reread my posts, there is no ambiguity. And you're right, it will re-enforce its validity. Again, lets be clear, there is no abuse of power on the issue of the EAW.

@Asgard

"Seriously, WTF!, just because country X says something, doesn't give them the jurisdiction over the rest of the human race in other countries!"

Uhm actually that's how it works when your country signs a treaty like the EAW.

Note that Assange allegedly broke Swedish laws within their jurisdiction. Then ditched before he could be charged.

Sweden has jurisdiction over those withing their territory aka the country Sweden.

Think of it this way... Someone goes in to your house and kills your family. Before the police can catch the guy, he hops a plane to Sweden to hide. Would you then argue that it would be wrong for the UK to seek extradition of the man from Sweden to face the crime in the UK?

Note: I used the crime of murder because its stops the potential argument of the severity of crime.

Now do you see how flawed your logic is?

@Grease Monkey

How do you separate Assange from Wikileaks? For all practical purposes, Assanage is Wikileaks.

I would think that this is the last stop for Assange.

His appeal will fail based on the stated grounds of an inequity etween the due process of the two countries.

So he goes to Sweden.

IMHO this is all to game the system by delaying the trial that is based solely on eye wittiness testimony. Or to wait until the political heat dies down, or they can generate enough heat by claiming these charges were politically motivated. Take your pick. It's still a game.

With respect to Manning...

The current defense claim is that Manning suffers from Gender Identity.

What probably scares Assange the most is that he doesn't know what Manning has shared with either his own legal team or the US investigators. IMHO, Manning probably dumped the dirt to his lawyers. His own legal strategy would suggest this.

If the Aricle 32 goes against Manning, and again IMHO, it is then that Manning's defense team will try and then cut a deal. 20 years beats life and there is time off for good behavior and time served.

This isnt a good test case.

Putting aside Assange's delusional antics...

This is a case where a guy goes to Sweden, hooks up with a couple of girls and according to the Swedish prosecution, commits rape.(rape as defined under Swedish law.)

Under Swedish law, the suspect is called in to questioning before being formally charged. With the aid of his lawyer, the guy leaves the country before they formally charge him. Note, this is all within Sweden.

An EAW is issued to haul the guy back to Sweden from the UK.

According to the EAW, rape is one of the thirty odd crimes specifically listed where there is no reciprocal checks. (#23 I think). That is to say, regardless of how the UK defines rape, its how Sweden defines rape.

According to this article, the reasons why Assange's appeal is getting heard, is that they are questioning the validity of the EAW because apparently in Sweden the EAW can be issued by the prosecutor without having to get a judge to sign off on it.

IMHO, this is a last ditch effort that will fail.

First if there was an issue w the validity of the EAW, then Assange's attorneys would have fought the issue in Sweden. note, this asnt happened.

Second, If this is an issue of testing the validity of the EAW process, it will fail. The international laws have to respect the laws and due process of the member countries. Specifically in this case, if the Swedes allow the prosecution to issue the EAW, and in the UK the EAW requires a judge to sign off on the EAW, then the UK courts have to respect Swedish law and honor the EAW.All the Swedish prosecution has to show is that under Swedish law, the prosecution has the right to issue an EAW.

Sorry, but if you take the three ring circus you know as Assange out of the picture, this isn't a good challenge to the law.

Also note that this isn't a question of Assange's innocence or guilt. This is more about gaming the system. This is an intentional delaying strategy, all with the hope of improving Assange's chances at trial in Sweden.

IT? Yes.

Unlike the girls who pose for your Page 3, she's never going to age and makes the perfect 'little woman' because she'll never talk back, or yell at you for leaving the seat up.

Mine's the jacket with a couple of bottles of Montgomery Inn's famous BBQ sauce in the pockets.

@Inachu

Do you realize that this entire mess is all Julian's own doing?

Seriously...

Had he not absconded from Sweden with the assistance of his lawyer, he would have been charged and had his trial.

The most likely outcome... he is found guilty and told he has 48 hours to leave the country.

The downside is that Julian would have had to give up any aspirations of being a Swede. I seriously doubt that Sweden would welcome a convicted rapist as a citizen.

The issue is that good ol Julian brought this whole disaster upon himself. He and his paranoid imagination that the US is out to get him... Oh yes, dear Julian did piss off the US, except that his fantasy of men in black ninja outfits capturing him off the streets and in to an unmarked white jet to be taken where only god knows?... Sorry, that's his fantasy. The US is still doing their investigation in to Manning. They are methodical in putting the pieces together. Then they use their might of Law and international trade to go after someone.

Sorry to disappoint you and Julian.

Maybe if he just hops the plane to Sweden he'll get it over with more quickly so he can then fly back to Australia in to his mother's arms?

@Windrose

Nope.

He has one last shot at the UK. Then he's off to Sweden, or Australia.

That is if he loses his appeal against the EAW, he's then on a plane back to Sweden where he will face charges. (People seem to think that this is just so that they will interview him. Its not. Its so that they can officially charge him with rape.)

If he wins, then its up to the UK to see if he can stay or if he gets the boot back to Australia.

This will depend on agreements within the commonwealth between Australia and the UK. I mean when all said and done, if Australia decides his passport is no longer valid, he'll end up getting bounced back to Australia.

Again, that's speculation. I don't know the law concerning what happens when someone outlasts their welcome.

Assange can't really travel anywhere in the EU.

Just because the UK doesn't want to honor the EAW, doesn't mean that other countries wont.

I am assuming that the EAW is still out on Assange and is still active. So if Julian wants to pop down to Spain or France, whips out his passport... oops! He's back in jail awaiting extradition.

It really doesn't make sense why he's fighting this. He's already a convicted felon in Australia, unless of course his record was wiped because he was a juvenile? (Again I don't know Aussie laws)

You're right. this isn't a 'stitch up' job. Way too sloppy. Even the CIA couldn't bungle it this bad.

Just pray that Julian doesn't piss off the KGB or the Russian mobs. Unlike the US, they don't mess around.

@ David Wilson

"b) From what I've seen of the famous-for-fuck-all, they're not generally likely to prosper by relying on their intellect."

Uhm they seem to be laughing all the way to the bank by cashing in on their celebutard status.

BTW, you want to blame someone, blame the cable companies for creating 500 channels of cable tv. These reality tv characters exist to fill empty space.

Blame idiots like my wife, whom I love dearly, who watch their crap.

(Although we're working through an intervention and have deprogrammed her to now watch Adult Swim)

Nope there's more!

Oh sure, you're el Reg, a Brit rag. So of course you think of Daniel Craig only in terms of James Bond.

(Ok, so we can have a thread about DC vs SC as to who was the better Bond.)

But there's more to DC than Bond.

Sorry but I'm really looking forward to his upcoming film, the remake of The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo'.

No offense to Bond fans, (I'm one too), but there's more to this man than just Bond.

And yeah, he's a fscking class act too!

@AC. It has nothing to do w being squeaky clean...

Assange wouldn't be newsworthy had it not been for the lack of respect he has shown women.

We're he a better lover and had wrapped his little friend, he would be back in Australia w his mum dodging his child support obligations.

Seriously he could be a total playboy w a different girl on his arm every night and no one would care as long as he had respect for those women and treated them w respect.

Poor Julian needs to grow up. (how many adult males skip down the street like a giddy school girl?)

If you want to blame someone other than Julian, blame his mum. IMHO another piece of work who needs medical attention.

Sorry but I have to disagree about Julian being forced to lead a squeaky clean life style. He's the one who put himself ona platform...

I think you're missing the point...

It's not a question of breaking the Cause and effect, but in explains why something appears to be moving faster than c, the speed of light.

In the other article i was trying to explain how it's possible...

Here in this article they talk about representing 3Dspace as the surface of a paper. If its flat, and nothing can move faster than c, all things will hit the target at the same time.

But what if the paper wasn't flat?

Now the laws of physics still have light, gravity etc moving along the paper's surface.

Again taking the same amount of time. But if the neutrinos still moving at c aren't restricted to moving along the paper's surface, you will see them hitting the target sooner than the photons.

The question is what is causing the surface of the paper to bend?

My bet is gravity.

@Wheel

Lets try this again.

You wrote:

"One of those funny things about space time is that the 'curved' path that light takes is always the shortest path between two points. If the neutrinos were to follow the 'straight' path they'd have to travel further."

Ever heard of a black hole? ;-)

Here's a couple of links that talk about gravity's effect on light:

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/961102.html

http://sci2.esa.int/interactive/media/flashes/3_7_1.htm

The point is that gravity has an effect on the path taken by light (photons) and matter. Except that neutrinos don't seem to be effected by gravity.

If space is curved because of gravity, and all things (light, gravity, and the neutrino) are all traveling with the same velocity (c) ... you should be able to calculate the effect gravity has on the path traveled by the light/photons.

The point is that if this holds true, you can come up with a value on how much gravity would be needed to bend the light. (And yes, we know gravity can bend the path light takes.)

So one of the smart math Boffins could easily come up with a calculation and numbers to validate this idea.

Assuming of course neutrinos aren't impacted by things like gravity.

@Laird

No, unfortunately they have to say this...

There's this guy Assange who's lawyers keep trotting out this death penalty thing everytime he faces an extradition hearing in the UK where he's fighting an EAW from Sweden where he faces the charges of rape.

Because the death penalty is still on the books and is still an option for more heinous crimes... they have to keep reminding the fodder on the left that there is no death penalty issue in this case. That 's already off the table.