@The idiot Re: @The idiot... you really don't get it...
You still missed the point.
There is no presumption of innocence in terms that you think you understand.
The issue is one of the burden of proof.
Does the defendant bear the burden to show his innocence or does the prosecution bear the burden to show that the person is guilty.
Meaning if you can't prove you are innocent, you are therefore guilty,
Or if the Prosecution can't prove that you guilty then you are therefore innocent.
The concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' means that the prosecution must beyond a reasonable doubt prove that you are guilty.
This has nothing to do with the state treating you like you are guilty and placing you in jail until the trial or you make bail. Even under bail, your freedoms are restricted.
Here's an example....
Your next door neighbor is found dead. His head was pounded in with a hammer that happens to have your finger prints all over it. You were questioned and you claimed to be asleep in your own bed at the time of the murder but you have no witnesses.
You are charged with the crime.
The prosecution will supply evidence that you could have done it.
Your defense will try to discredit the prosecution. For example, your finger prints are at your neighbors house because you are friends and you hang out there. Your finger prints are on the hammer because its your hammer that he borrowed...
At the end of the day, If the prosecution doesn't meet the burden, you should be found innocent.
(Meaning you can raise doubt to the assertions made by the prosecution.)
Now if they left out evidence... like security cam footage of a car driving up and then away while you claimed to be home and they didn't use it or tell your lawyer it existed, then you would be able to sue them for leaving out exculpatory evidence. It would be prosecutorial misconduct.
Sorry for tossing that last bit in there.
The point is that 'innocent until proven guilty' is misunderstood.
Look at OJ. Do you really think he was innocent even though the prosecution failed to make their case?