* Posts by The Other Steve

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No-humping 20mph limit for London

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Traffic Engineers

Hate everyone. Perhaps this is the problem. If you're a driver you will be well aware of the things they stuff on the roads to piss you off and make your journey as unpleasant as possible.

In Northumberland (land of the massive roundabouts) for instance, the bastards have gone out of their way to build roundabouts that actively deny you any idea of what other traffic may be entering. Your only choice is drop the hammer as soon as a likely looking gap appears and hope like buggery that your acceleration is sufficient to save you if it turns out an HGV has recently entered from the opposite side. Brown trousers all around.

If you're a cyclist, you may justifiably have developed the impression that your local traffic engineers are actively attempting to kill you. Cycle lanes that dump you out on the insode of roundabouts just as the road gets dualled, lanes that disappear when the road narrows, lanes that turn right across dual carriageways, lanes that run alongside the road and then magically dump you back into traffic just as the gradient starts to get hairy, stupid foot wide gaps through kerbed sections that seem designed to chuck you off into bus lanes. Oh yeah, bus lanes, you can ride in bus lanes. Go on, we dare you.

If you're a pedestrian, well, there's an extremely busy junction outside my house with marked pedestrian crossing places where there is never, ever less than one lane of traffic flowing. Further north aong the same road there's a pelican crossing where you get <20 seconds to cross four lanes with an island in the middle. Clearly someone is attempting to cull the slow and the weak.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people ? Get them some whalesong CDs and a spliff, for the sake of us all.

Teen accused of hacking emergency 911 system

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CLI vs ANI

Worl, CLI is a subscriber service innit, in the USA CLI spoofing is relatively easy (compared to good old blighty, where telcos take a very dim view of this kind of thing and tend to filter presentation numbers, as described above.). Google CLI spoofing for some gen, but the essential point is that CLI relies on info that can be provided by the subscriber.

ANI on the other hand, is a different beast altogether, and is what US telcos use internally to bill customers. Spoofing ANI (at least to a specific subscriber number) is a truly non trivial hack, probably requiring access to a switch.

Erm, at least, that's what I've heard, anyway :-)

If the 911 system is relying on CLI, rather than ANI information, it's broken by design since it is using information supplied by the subscriber (or which *can* be provided by the subscriber, anyway), not the telephone system itself. The 911 switch will have access to ANI, so there's really no excuse for relying on CLI. Maybe he did find a way to spoof the ANI, in which case he's in even more serious trouble.

Of course I could be wrong, it's been a year or two since I kept up to date with this kind of thing.

OTOH if he *had* managed to spoof ANI, how did the cops find him ? That's me off to google to dig up some more inph0.

Either way, calling a SWAT team to someone's house isn't really all that funny considering the immense risk to life, unless of course it was them that posted the address of your teenage house party on facebook, now *that* would be funny.

Plan for 20mph urban speed-cam zones touted

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<sigh>

"judging by you last comments i bet you dress like a gimp dont ya..."

No. I find Lycra clad wankers just as offensive as you do.

"seriously though I dont have a problem with cyclists at all i guess its the monorities with there bad attitude who talk about courtesy one mement and then are talking about riding in the middle of the road at 7MPH the next like children."

That was an illustrative point. I never ride like that (unless I'm coming to a stop light and I happen to be turning right). I am in fact, one of the cyclists that doesn't ride like a twat in traffic. The point is that I could, and you should be able to deal with it without having a stroke.

"come on guys respect is a 2 way thing show us drivers some and we will show it back."

I showed some. I have already stated that cyclists that break traffic laws are beneath contempt in my opinion. I think you're confusing me with someone else.

"But seriously steve if you would like to ride in front of me at 7Mph you do it at arount 07:30 in the centre of the centre lane of the M1..."

And why in the name of all that's holy would I be riding my bike on the M1 ? Quite apart from the fact that it's illegal, it would be really, really stupid. If you are seeing cyclists on this stretch of motorway, I suggest you either call the cops, or take direct action by running the thick bastards over.

"Now could you please shut the big one and stop acting like a child and let the grown ups speak"

Grown ups ? You don't spell like a grown up. In fact you spell like a retarded six year old. Except six year olds mostly know where the shift key is.

"you have made your comments some good points but mostly tosh and imature"

Which parts did you think were "imature" then, was that the part where I pointed out the safety implications for all road users and pedestrians of riding to close to the kerb ? The part where I pointed out that drivers with anger management issues about perfectly legitimate behaviour are dangerous to themselves and others ? The part where I suggested that cyclists should follow the highway code as well as drivers ?

Or just the part where I imply that drivers who can't deal with sharing the road with cyclists are cocks ?

@Mad Mike w/r/t flashing lights.

Wrong. Buy a new highway code. This has changed fairly recently. And yes, as I pointed out, riding without lights is stupid and dangerous. Cyclists who do this deserve to be run down.

Besides, even when it was technically illegal, the advice from the police was that flashing LEDs were OK and would be tolerated because of the increase in visibility.

@Graham Jordan

Fractured skull. That's pretty physical, wouldn't you say ? I agree that on average it's less messy than vehicle/ped confluence, but it it is still to be avoided at all costs. Which is why I hate to see adult cyclists on the pavements. Riding on the pavement is illegal, dangerous, stupid, and encourages idiot motorists to believe that's where bikes belong.

If you're a cyclist, and you regularly ride on the pavement, you're part of the problem. And nothing in the world looks stupider or sadder than some middle aged tosser in head to toe lycra on a 2 grand bike, wearing a spac hat and riding on the pavement like a four year old with stabilisers.

@All drivers.

Some of you have made the assertion that 90+% of cyclists are OK. I (surprisingly) disagree, I think the number is lower. While I don't favour a tax/license/insurance regime (this would remove the utility of the bicycle and reduce cyclist numbers even more, and is therefore undesirable), I do think there should be more proficiency training, as there was when I was at school, and I agree totally that there needs to be more enforcement of traffic regs on cyclists as well as drivers.

But fair's fair, when you lot start driving responsibly and within the rules, **including** all posted speed limits, then you can complain. Until then, you're on very shaky ground. If it's OK for you to drive at 60 in a posted 30 limit because you're such talented, well trained drivers and there isn't anyone in the way, you're hardly in a position to be getting wobbly about an occasional pavement mount by a cyclist avoiding traffic, or even the dread light jumper, now are you ?

And to get back to the point of the article, 20MPH is to slow for nearly every road I can think of (I regularly exceed this on a pushbike FFS), and removes the utility of the car. It would be great if we could do without cars, but our entire economic infrastructure is based on the availability of motorised transport. Doh! Easy availability of broadband and the advent of 'telecommuting' was supposed to change this. Doh!

Course, it will all be different "When The Oil Runs Out"(tm), but then what am I going to lube my chain with ?

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Ride on the left ? Fuck right off.

Well, after I tried to be so reasonable as well.

To the shitwits above who think that cyclists should 'get out of the middle of the road', or be riding on the gutter, understand this.

You are wrong, and most likely wilfully ignorant.

Riding close to the kerb is simply the most dangerous position, for cyclists, pedestrians and motor vehicles. Why ?

For the cyclist, the gutter is full of funsome stuff like, say, broken glass, dogshit, roadkill, litter, water, piss, oil and debris from vehicles. All of which is a hazard. Riding here is also the easiest way to get killed because drivers will simply not see you. You also tend to find drain covers here, get out of your car and on a bike, try hitting a sunken drain cover at 20+, it's enough to tip you off into moving traffic. You are dead.

For pedestrians, cyclists rolling this close to the kerb represent a very serious hazard. It's exceptionally easy to clip a ped doing this. For those who think hitting peds on a bike is in some way safe, you are deluded. A friend of mine cliped an old lady like this, she fell, and she died. Dead ped. Not so fucking clever.

For drivers, guess what, cyclists takes evasive action to avoid one of the above hazards, you take evasive action to avoid cyclist. You are in oncoming traffic at 30+. You are dead. So are some other people. Fun fun fun, all the livelong day.

Also, you need to understand something. Cyclists ride towards the edge of the lane as a COURTESY to drivers. If I want to ride down the middle of the lane at 7 MPH, then I can. The law says so, and if I'm holding you up, that's your problem. Just the same as if you get stuck behind a tractor. If this fills you with anger, then you are not safe to be on the roads. Speed might not kill, but emotional retards do.

I've been riding on road and off since I was a child, and the simplest way to stay safe on the roads is to claim your place on the road, let drivers and peds know that you're there, and you aren't going anywhere.

For all those bandying stats around, your insurance company thinks that in 90% of cases if you hit a cyclist it was your fault. Guess why.

Grow the fuck up and learn to respect other legitimate road users.

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Green cross code ?

I heartily agree with the above posters who note the lack of road safety awareness amongst today's yoof.

I live on a major urban road, and about now (1550 as I'm typing this) I can hear car horns and screams as fuckwit children empty out of the various local school and act like twats on the road.

This happens every day.

It's truly miraculous that more of them aren't killed.

w/r/t cyclists, we aren't all like that. I'm a fairly militant cyclist, but I hate the morons who think it's OK to jump lights, ride when pissed, ride in the dark with no lights, etc. Run em over, bastards, they deserve it.

Swearing at work 'good for business'

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@kerlmann

Grannies pubes, y' whore.

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Pissflaps

Like I always say, it *is* big, and it *is* clever.

WTC collapse voted 'most memorable TV moment'

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F*ck lady Di

Didn't watch the daft tart's funeral, and couldn't care less, except for the fact that on the night of her death I had stayed up til some ridiculous time of night to watch software company based sitcom "Dweebs", which was subsequently cancelled so that we could be bombarded with mind numbing looped footage of the tedious sloany bitch being carted off in an ambulance.

Two bottles of portugese pish totally wasted !

Fucking ITV. No royals had better die when I'm watching Numb3rs, or I'm reaching for the four star and some milk bottles.

Quantum scientist wins Euro computing prize

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@Joerg

That's right Joerg, MSFT are famous for supporting lefties, and the RS are notorious for not supporting proper science.

Keep your tinfoil hat on.

MIT boffins plan for asteroidal doom

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@Tony

"Don't be too harsh on NASA, they have landed men on the Moon several times (and brought them back) and landed robots on Mars a few times, most of them successfully."

Yeah, that's what they want you to think !

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Slim chance...

... as calculated by NASA. Hmm, I hope they got someone else to check their working.

A private view of Phoenix and Mars

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On another note

Does anyone else find it suspicious that they have a mock up of the whole mission on a sound stage ?

What are they intending to do with that, exactly ?

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Oil would be nice

Because then the major powers would beat themselves to death in a gargantuan space race and we'd get some decent space exploration/travel on the go, finally.

Suddenly the fact that it's dangerous/expensive would cease to be a limiting factor, since the tab would be picked up by the 3vil multinational oil companies, whose disregard for human life is well documented.

Yay for hydrocarbons !

Dutch Consumer Association declares war on Vista

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@AC RE : Hardware not supported?

Wow, foam at the mouth much ?

w/r/t hardware issues, there is, in fact, such a thing as the Vista Hardware Compatibility List. Google is your friend.

Before updating your OS, it is your own responsibility to check that your hardware is on this list. Expecting a brand new MS product to work out of the box with your old stuff is just plain stupid. This has never been the case before, so why should it be now ? It isn't in the interests of any of the concerned parties, MS or the hardware or software manufacturers, because they want to sell you more stuff.

Deal with this, it's called "business". It might not be very good for consumers, but hey, if you don't like feeling the jackboot of untrammelled capitalism on your neck, vote for a socialist political party, if you can find one.

As for the MS shill slur that you just couldn't resist, monkey boy, I mention those facts because I'm happy with my WIndows systems, and I'm happy with my linux systems. Both run fine, both work together, in a friendly mixed environment. And because I knew that some sad linux fanboi would blow a gasket. Well done.

Seriously, you lot need to grow the fuck up and stop whining, these same issues occur with every release of windows and if you haven't figured out how to deal with it simply move away from windows and use one of the alternatives.

@Others w/r/t DX10 and Office upgrades.

If you are a gamer, you should be used to spending your dosh on cutting edge upgrades to play the latest stuff. If you don;t like it, find something else to do, or buy a console.

Office wise, I fully agree that the new versions don't offer much. In fact as far as I can see the only worthwhile addition to word since version 2.0 is in-line spell checking. So don't buy the new ones. Duh! Or, shock horror! Use an alternative.

You still have plenty of choices, and throwing your dummies out of your pram every time you think MS has taken some away is just a symptom of the fact that you are totally dependant on Redmond.

MS don't have to treat you nice, and you don't have to buy their stuff. Deal.

Face up to the fact that you are the M in your S&M relationship with Redmond and get some counselling or something.

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I'm with Mike

The only way you can have Vista 'forced' on you is if you buy a new system. If you do buy a new system, it will work.

All the pre installed Vista boxes I've seen seem to work just fine, including my GFs new Vista laptop which so far has not exhibited any problems whatever in regular use.

If you went out and bought Vista to install on something else, and it didn't work, tough shit, what did you expect ? Obviously the box you are trying to run it on is not compatible with the Vista spec, or your hardware is unsupported.

You should have checked before you CHOSE to spend your money.

Those who are saying that MS is forcing people to upgrade at gunpoint are falling into the zealotry trap.

I have as many reasons to hate MS as the next person, especially under Ballmer, and some of their recent treatment of developers has been astonishingly shoddy (you want to talk about actual forced upgrades, talk to some developers), and they didn't pay me for this post, but my experience with all of MS software (from DOS 3 onwards) has been much less troublesome than this constant whining would suggest, and certainly on the whole less troublesome than the many linux distros I've used over the same time period. [1]

I've said it before, and I'll say it many more times, most of the people who have really messed up windows systems are incompetent and are trying to offload the blame for this onto MS. There's no need for this, there are plenty of real issues to complain about.

And for the linux jihad, who are about to wade in and paint me as an MS shill, I can see two linux boxes from where I'm sitting, and I have three VM based nix installs on the box I'm typing this on. Ironically enough, these are all installed in MS Virtual PC. Go figure.

[1] Granted, I haven't yet tried any of the wazzy new super easy distros like ubuntu, because all I have to spare is legacy hardware that isn't adequately spec'd. It would be pretty stupid to expect a good experience from the new and bloaty forms of nix desktop on a shitty old box, now wouldn't it ?

Watchdog chucks life raft to White House backup tapes

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@Leroy Fevrius

WTF ? Are you amanfrommars' brother ?

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@AC, RE : watchdog

And ? So the fuck what ?

Are you suggesting that just because both Democrats and Republicans are conniving shitweasels (duh! They're politicians), the disgusting behaviour of the abhorrent Bush administration should go uninvestigated and unpunished ?

Are you actually that much of a retard ?

Does Clinton having done something wrong mean that it's OK for Bush to do it to ?

Are you allowed to go on killing sprees just because Charles Manson did it once ? [1]

Switch off Fox news and go get a fucking clue.

[1] .. oh wait, hang on...

YouTube gatecrashers trash 16th birthday bash

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Nowt new under t'sun, grumble, etc

I clearly remember virtually every single teen house party I ever attended ending in much the same way, and that was well before the advent of social networking (and indeed the widespread ownership of PCs) and mobile phones.

The few that didn't end this way were prevented from doing so by the application of a) prevention in the form of common sense, or b)cure, in the form of unconstrained violence against interlopers.

In this case it seems that since neither of these worked (always a possibility), an extension of b) is required, viz finding out which little shitwit posted the details to the web, beating the living shit out of them, and then continuing to extract retribution by a weekly posting of *their* address as a party location. Lets see them explain that to mum and dad eh ?

But then, I'm old fashioned, me.

P.S I must add my voice to the big pile of requests for an 'old codger' type icon.

UK ID card service mounts birth, marriage, death landgrab

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In a way, yes

The various posters who have said unified ID is good have some valid points, but sadly, I don't hear the scheme being sold using these.

While uk.gov continues to tell me that ID cards will prevent crime and protect me from terrorists, their motives must remain suspect.

This is a bit like the whole Iraq Invasion problem. Knocking off Saddam might well have been an acceptable reason to go to war, but hostilities were initiated on the basis of some big porkies about non existent WMD. Curiously enough, this really pissed people off, and lost the gov the trust of the populace (what little remained, anyway)

So given the WMD lies, the entirely suspect and pretty much discredited reasons given for having ID cards, and adding in all the other totalitarian state bolt ons we keep seeing lately such as the removal of a right to trial, the removal of Habeas Corpus, the ability of the state to place you under house arrest even if a court finds you innocent of any charges, the removal of the right to legal representation, the ability of the police to detain you for long periods of time without even charging you, and so on, there remains a huge question of trust, or the reasonable lack thereof.

Additionally, the "wouldn't it be nice if..." crowd are missing the perhaps more central point that there is precisely zero possibility of uk.gov being able to manage a project of this size. without fucking it up really, really badly.

And as for this :

"The system works. There are no real data leaks, because they officially sell information, but only those that are public, like name, sex, birthdate and address. The data protection law is actually part of the current constitution, so this is legal."

I don't regard most of that information as being 'public', or being suitable for sale by the government to any interested third party.

(Although I am aware that it's to late to prevent it, see Experian et al.)

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@John Latham

"That, Sir, is a first class rant, and no mistake."

Cheers.

"Will it fit on a t-shirt?"

It might, if the letters were made quite small, or you are American.

But don't forget that wearing offensive T-Shirts is now an offence in parts of the UK (well, in Peterborough, anyway)

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RE What everyone seems to be forgetting is

Sadly Lloyd, the fact that it will no doubt be a tremendous clusterfuck in the ways you describe will not stop it from actually being implemented, with all the attendant dysfunction we would reasonably expect.

And once the project has a bit of momentum behind it, it won't matter how messed up or over budget it becomes, because the argument will be made that it would still cost *more* to revert to separate departments and systems, and/or that to do so would represent a colossall waste of the taxpayers money already invested, etc.

Sound familiar ?

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Re: Why are we letting this happen

Because the majority of voters are genuinely stupid/ignorant/misinformed enough to believe that Nothing To Hide == Nothing To Fear, and because they are constantly told that such draconian measures are taken to protect their "freedoms" and will combat three out out of the four things that they think they need to be scared of most, viz immigration, crime and terrorism. (Number four being kiddy fiddlers, naturally).

Because the Conservative opposition are a bunch of old school fascists and secretly covet such measures, which they would have loved to be able to get away with when they were last in power, but couldn't, despite having actual active terrorists who actually did blow shit up and murdered rather a lot of people, oh and a shit load of citizens rioting in the streets, hurling petrol bombs and beating up on the fuzz.

Because the majority of Labour MPs are so pussy whipped that do whatever the fucktards at Downing Street tell them to, and/or are dumb enough to fall into the first category.

Because anyone who raises any objections based on civil liberties is shouted down by screaming hordes of tabloid readers demanding (thanks a fucking bunch John Reid, you baldy penis headed knob jockey) their "civil right to not be murdered by terrorists".

Because the cabinet is stuffed full of sycophants desperate to hold on to their jobs.

Because the police are in favour (obviously) of a police state.

Because enabling legislation never gets a decent airing in parliament (not that it would make any difference, since the six back bench MPs bold enough to risk the wrath of the whips just aren't enough to make a difference).

Because protesting where any MPs might actually hear it is now illegal (yes, our elected representatives voted to ban protests within a kilometre of parliament because the protests disturbed them when they were busy in their offices and they found it hard to get on with their jobs. This is not a joke.)

And basically, because we're already used to being the most surveilled nation on earth now that the Stasi are out of business. Britain doesn't just take it up the Gary Glitter, we actually bring our own Vaseline.

No one even blinked when Blair rolled tanks out on the streets.

Welcome To Britain.

El Reg deploys (extra) comment icons

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RE Penguin?

Or how about one of Linus curing the sick, and one of an act of bestiality upon tux, by, say bilg, or simmilar.

MPs slam criminal assets recovery IT 'mess'

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That's not just a lack of investment.

OK, so they had a rubbish MIS system, OK so they didn't have a central case database, both fairly unforgivable, but to not be able to provide a list of cases that they are working on ?

Even without the help of IT systems it's possible to store this kind of information on something we like to call 'paper'.

Failure to do so suggests serious systemic management problems far beyond IT investment, as does the fact that the best quote they could get for a time recording system was £300,000.

Since integrated database, MIS and case management could have been provided by a couple of salaried in house codemonkeys, as is the case in many orgs, for not much more than the cost of a couple of salaries (throw in a few MS tool licences if you don't want go the FOSS route), I can definitely go with the failure to invest angle, but not doing this, or doing it badly is much more a project management and administration failure.

Good IT at this level doesn't require much investment, so just saying "you didn't spend enough money" is whitewashing over the same old endemic project management failures we keep seeing again and again in public sector organisations.

As is the case in many orgs that I look at, the IT failings are usually a symptom of crap management processes, not a cause. Of course, it costs money to have someone like me come and tell them that, and who wants to pay good money to be told that they're idiots ?

Americans' interest rates plummet

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RE: Stupid american

Q: "What did the European say to the American with a degree in Nuclear Physics and Mathematics...."

A: Yes thanks, I would like fries with that.

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@David Warren

"Ever consider that Americans are actually BETTER than your average euro at searching"

No.

"fall back on the standard European reflex of "Americans suck" "

You do suck, and you know it. And it's not just us sniffy euros, the rest of the world hates you as well.

If there was an icon for "Dumb 'mercan", I'd be using it right now.

Rockstar to battle BBFC over Manhunt 2 ban

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But then again

I'm not sure that I approve of any form censorship, and I'm not keen on anything being banned, because once you pop, you just can't stop.

But on the other hand, the depressingly pointless and utterly vile Manhunt disgusted me.

And as someone pointed out, we can no longer count on parents in the UK to make sensible choices about the content of the games they buy for their children.

These utter fuckwits will buy little Johnny the latest 18 rated mega slaughter blood fest, and then completely fail to take responsibility when lil J goes postal and kills his best mate, blaming the game rather their shit poor parenting. As evidenced by events last year.

If parents in the UK could teach their children the meaning of the word "No", then we probably wouldn't need the BBFC, until then we're stuck with them, and in this particular case, I applaud their decision.

This is NOT a game aimed at adults, any adult, even if not disgusted with the mindless brutality, would get bored with gameplay in about two minutes.

Rockstar have been walking down this road since the release of GTA3, and they have no one but themselves to blame for the position they now find themselves in. Serves them right for relying on gore and controversy to sell their wares.

Beeb news website goes titsup

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Didn't even notice

Since the quality of the 'news' on the site has dropped so low, and the commentators in the 'have your say' sections appear to be refugees from the Daily Mail forums, I stopped actually reading the beeb site ages ago, even though my browser opens it automatically on start up.

So tits to them, really.

Boeing delays 787 Dreamliner

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All Nippon Air Lines

Presumably the blue square on the livery which appears just after "ANA" was added to obliterate the final letter of that acronym when the Nipponese realised what the English translation would be ?

3,000 chickens paralyse central Scotland

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Shouldn't have...

...put all their chickens in one basket, eh ?

Cloakroom ?

Jihadi-sniffers blame White House for leaking secrets

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@crashIO

"Nope. Not at all. I love Freedom of Speech but that is a right extended to those that happen to have been born in the same country as me. Not to the world."

Outside of your country, asswit, you don't get to define anybody's rights.

"Information warfare...you either get it or you don't. "

Clearly.

Ballmer: All open source dev should happen on Windows

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@Alain

MSDN online ? Think before you speak. The availability of MS API documentation isn't an issue, the *quality* of that documentation is something that windows developers have been arguing about amongst ourselves for years.

US nanotech boffins track evanescent light

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In principle...

... I'm not certain about that

Facebook 'friend request' lands UK man in jail

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RE @The Other Steve

Duh! So you can, thanks.

I seemed to remember that when I signed up some time ago *to get the reg newsletter) the text said that that wouldn't be possible, and I've never updated my prefs since.

Of course, my memory could be impaired from all the wine swilling :-)

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