RE: pro-terrorist web sites
Yeah, sure, you can do that and just be an Anti Semite instead, apparantly.
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That's all very well, but I suspect the response of your average foaming at the mouth anti yank islamic fundie will be along the lines of "Bismallah, Ahmed, the Great Satan's propagandists must be fucking insane if they think we're going buy into this horseshit. Ho ho ho, pass the detonator."
Which is fair enough really.
Selecting based on N years of X is a poor technique anyway. Someone can have many years experience in a field and still not be any good.
IME, Windows admins and developers of all stripes fall squarely into this category.
I've been in a position to hire and fire, and I can confidently say that restricting adverts (and criteria given to recruiters, who will do the initial selection) to "Knowledge of X" provides a far more interesting list of candidates.
Apart from anything else, once you have their CVs you can see how long their experience with X is, and when you get them to interview, you can find out if their experience is actually relevant to you or not.
Someone with (say) 5 years of C# working as a web developer may be of no value to me at all if I'm looking for someone to work on a C# DSP application, whereas someone with no commercial C# at all who knocked up a spectral analyser application in their spare time may be just right for the job.
In fact, someone with no C# at all, but who is competent in other languages and has domain knowledge may fit well, and would have been eliminated through a requirement for some number of years working in a particular language, or even knowledge of that particular language.
Maybe this person could convince me that C# isn't actually a good platform to build a DSP app on. If not, I'm sure they can learn C# in a jiffy if they are decently competent. Transferable skills, see ?
Obviously, the less specific you are in your criteria, the more CVs you will have to wade through, and the more candidates you will have to see. But time investment in this phase will pay itself back many fold. Recruitment by box ticking on the other hand, often leads to a mismatch.
(IME, YMMV)
It's not really "the first time that Colossus has been used since then Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered the destruction of the top-secret machine following the end of World War II." either.
I stood in Hut H on a BP reunion day a couple of years back and watched Tony Sale demonstrate the rebuild running (along with many other people). Got photos and everything.
And yet, I split hairs, I see what they mean, and it's still a great project which deserves our support.
Honestly, I could bang on all day about how knee tremblingly fantastic it is to see the beast run, but don't take my word for it, go see it for yourself.
@Brian Miller :
I see your point, but to be fair the Colossus wasn't really useful to anyone not involved in what BP was doing. Although it enjoys a fair degree of flexibility vis a vis programming, it really is a very special purpose machine. Also, the skills and technologies were not lost. Post WWII boffins from BP went into academia and built machines.
Good and co at Manchester for instance, where they designed and built the Manchester Mk I (or Baby, which has also been restored and runs every Tuesday, IIRC), which went on to become the Ferranti Mk I, and so on. There was Lyons' incredible LEO project. Any lack of competitive commercial lead that the UK exhibited in this field was down to bog standard lack of vision on behalf of UK.PLC. (And possibly funding, which was thin on the ground after the war)
And don't forget, absolute secrecy was Churchill's overriding motivator where GC&CS, BP and subsequently GCHQ were concerned. Having seen what a strategic advantage was granted by reading peoples traffic without them knowing, he was unwilling to sacrifice it at any cost. Particularly with the cold war looming large.
Oh and @AC :
"It's a PII laptop!!"
Yes, Tony Sale's Thinkpad IIRC, but don't you see how incredible it is that a machine that was delivered in 1943 is actually in with a chance of outperforming a PII ? Seriously, tremble before it's mighty glory.
I'm sure this is not El Reg's fault, because the press release from BP says much the same, but :
1) Colossus was not used to dechiper messages, it was used for wheel setting, and later wheel breaking, of the psi and chi wheels. The Tunny machine, another product of the ubergeeks in the Newmanry, did the actual deciphering
2) Not all of the Colossus MK IIs were 'destroyed' at the end of the war, most of them were dismantled and the parts returned to GPO stores, but at least one was removed to the new GCHQ headquarters.
I'm sure the BP press release is just glossing over this for the sake of simplicity, but these are the (geeky) facts, and anyone lucky enough to be able to pop down to BP and have a chat with the amazing Tony Sale*, or indeed any of the other generally excellent guys and girls who run the show can have these and any other misconceptions sorted out sharpish while being utterly gobsmacked at the stuff on show.
Go there. If you are any kind of geek, you will get tingly pants. If you can arrange it, go on reunion day, but wear something that won't show stains.
If I had 6 million quid, I'd give it to the BP Trust in a flash.
"The part of the T&C you just quoted basically allows Comcast to throttle or block traffic that THEY deem to be unacceptable, regardless of what that data is."
Erm, yes, that was rather the point actually. And whatever you may think of that, morals wise, doesn't really matter. It's Comcast's network, and they lay down clearly the restrictions they will place upon you while using it.
"Despite my own moral standing on illegal warez, porn and copyright material. What right do I have to impose my morals on anyone else? If you are wondering about the answer to this, here's a clue: None whatsoever."
That's right, and me neither, as you succinctly point out. What right do Comcast have though ? The rights laid down clearly in their Ts & Cs. Again, you make my point for me. As for the definition of "reasonable", don't ask me, that's where lawyers make their cash.
@AC
Learn to read yourself freetard, learn to read the small print that's always attached to ISP deals. Oh yeah, and switch to decaf FFS.
@freeloader apologists in general.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I downloaded the MS betas, several linux distros, and all the generally legitimate things you can get as well (although many of them came via FTP), but you all still know that 90% of the stuff travelling P2P is infringing content. ISPs know this as well. Pointing to the 10% of legitimate traffic and saying that it means ISPs shouldn't do traffic shaping is a very very weak argument.
For the record, I don't really give a toss what people choose distribute or consume via p2p, but whining at your ISP because they attempt to limit your usage to what is a) fair and b)clearly spelled out in their TOS, AUP or whatever is simply pathetic.
I hope this freeloader gets kicked out of court with "Caveat Emptor" tattooed on his ass. Perhaps people might learn to engage their brains for a change instead of blindly believing everything the profit mongers tell them and then being surprised when it turns out not to be true. Duh!
Newsflash !
Businesses lie
Advertisers lie and manipulate you
Businesses exist to take your money away from you.
Everything is stacked in their favour
Welcome to Earth. Get used to it.
While I'm sick to death of the constant whining of the freeloaders demanding to be able to flood everyone's shared bandwidth with their pr0n, warez and pirate media downloading, it would seem remiss of Comcast if they had failed to include a prohibition on such activities in theirs Ts&Cs.
Oh, er hang on : http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp
"Prohibited uses include, ... storing, transmitting or disseminating information, data or material ... which infringes the intellectual property rights of any person or entity ...[or] which a reasonable person could deem to be objectionable, offensive, indecent, pornographic. [using the Service to] Restrict, inhibit, or otherwise interfere with the ability of any other person ... to use or enjoy the Service, including without limitation ... generating levels of traffic sufficient to impede others' ability to send or retrieve information.
...
Comcast and its affiliates, suppliers, and agents have the right to monitor these transmissions and postings from time to time for violations of this Policy and to disclose, block, or remove them in accordance with the Subscriber Agreement"
So, thats no warez, no pr0n, no pirate media, and no using up all the bandwidth, or else Comcast will block you, seems pretty fucking clear to me.
So, erm, what was his point again ?
Can't wait for some linux Jihadi to come and point out how much bandwidth he needs to download multiple copies of distro DVD isos all the livelong day. Yawnorama.
Erm, I for one wrote a working exploit for this issue in 2004 (Multi platform perl script, very ganchy but it works), after reading an article about it in Phrack. And published it, albeit fairly quietly, on the web. Probably still lurking out there somewhere.
So in fact this extremely serious and very amusing bug has had working 'point and click' exploit code in the wild for at least that long. I have no idea if anyone has ever used it.
I really thought that this was fixed in SP2 (never checked, had moved on to other things), clearly I was mistaken. Shame on MS for taking so long to sort this out. No bloody wonder the world is overrun with botnets.
My date fu is a little rusty, but ISTR that the above will do the trick in a very compact kind of way barely even a full line of code, although the intent is hard to read(and I haven't checked it of course, that would be no fun).
Whoever programmed the date dropdown component wants to be shot.
@Mark Rendle :
I live near Newcastle, I went to Paris, it was shite. I'm not going back.
So you might not be to far off the truth.
The 'Orange' branded one circa about 1993 I think, which is slimmer and sleeker, unless you put the long life battery on it.
Still in good working order, and the only reason I don't still use it is that when you send an SMS you have to input the number manually. Other than that it's a damn good phone. It looks like a phone, it rings like a phone, you make and receive calls on it. That is all. These days the styling passes for retro geek chic. If only it could keep up in the SMS stakes, it would be housing my current SIM.
On the orange network, it got CLI (and passthrough from BT at that) well before BT introduced it. Great way to spook people out before they all realised what CLI was.
Ah, those were the days
Need an icon for 'misty eyed nostalgia' :-)
Erm, you've never met anyone who's on coke, have you ? I know rather a lot of musicians, and I can tell you, after a nose full of Bolivian marching powder, 'chill' is the last thing they want to do.
Of course, once the come down kicks in, they really really want to chill, but can't, because by then they are restless, irritable, paranoid and most likely hallucinating.
So not really, no.
No. No way. Nor would anyone sane chose linux for such a task. You want a proper RTOS. Possibly one developed specifically*. Linux is a server OS, and isn't designed for such critical systems. Far to much bloat.
As this incident rather proves. I mean, it's one thing if a software glitch drops your web server for a while, but blowing up your lunar mission is another kettle of fish altogether. Even if your bug report is received in good faith, and fixed in good time (ever try submitting a bug report for linux ? Wear your best asbestos clothing.), and you eventually get a patch, it's not going to be much consolation to the dead astronauts or their grieving families is it ?
Just because linux is quite good for running Apache doesn't mean it's suitable for everything (q.v supra, the article, and the reports), many foamy fanboys to the contrary.
*Fanboys : The point at which you suggest this is to difficult / expensive / time consuming is the point at which your geek cred drops well below 0 and you have to hand back your "10 kinds of people" T-Shirt.
Good point, well made. MS may suck a fat one, but at least your mission critical stuff can't get FUBARd by some poorly socialised gimp with CVS write access, a need for ego gratification and an overblown sense of his own capabilities.*
You sir, are going need some seriously thick asbestos undies now that you have pointed that out, though.
Linus and penguins, snicker!. That's funny.
*Fanboys : There will be no points awarded for the predictable MS auto update SNAFU response, we can all read, but please feel free to gibber anyway, rather than addressing the actual point. It's what we expect of you.
...will, always, ultimately, erm, biodegrade ? The answers really in the question.
And what if you live in a city, and don't have a garden to compost in, or if like me you live in a city but have a garden that's about a foot wide, with barely enough space for the wheelie bin as it is. This garden is no way big enough to take the compost generated by the residents total addiction to cups of tea.
And like, even if I could compost it and put it on my garden, or I put it in a special bin which I haven't actually got room for and give it to some other bugger, WTF is the difference from just chucking it in a whole in the ground ? It's still going to biodegrade back down into it's components. Duh!
Can someone explain why this is bad ? I mean, surely those components were around in the atmosphere / dirt / etc previously anyway ? Otherwise how the fuck did they get into my teabag ? By magic ?
Further, if I'm going to give my compostable waste to someone else, who presumably will get some use out of it, shouldn't *they* be paying *me* ?
What kind of utter fuckwit puts a weapon on the ground without safing it first ? And I mean breaking it and removing the cartridges, not just applying the safety. What a dick.
@Bob Boswell :
Nice poem, yeah. It neatly encompasses everything I was taught about shotgun handling many many moons ago. It's amazing how many people just don't get the "don't point it at people, even when unloaded" part, sigh.
Erm, except it isn't, is it. Not if it can't keep up with the current standard. I don't know what it's like for apple fanbois, but my windows desktops download the new version of JRE as soon as it's available. This is a feature of Java, not the OS.
So you're saying that an OS where Java doesn't update itself, and in the case of 1.6, can't update itself, is the best platform to develop on ?
Think yourself lucky you don't work for me, or you'd be polishing up your CV.
@Apple apologists
Get used to it. You all jumped all over Vista for every tiny little flaw when it came out, which IMO is fair enough, but you have to accept that the same will happen for the latest shiny turd that apple poops out as well. It *is* news. It's new information about a new IT product. How is that *not* news ? Just because apple won't tell you about it doesn't make it un-newsworthy, quite the opposite in fact.
@Early adopters
Seriously, WTF is your problem ? Leopard has been available for what ? 48 hours or something ? And you're surprised there are problems ? You installed it on a production system ? Jesus, and I thought the linux fanbois were dense.
"Just put some clown makeup on that sucker and I'll never sleep again."
Oh, thanks for that Andrew, thanks a lot, now I really will have the screaming nightmares.
I never heard of the "Uncanny Valley" stuff until I read this story, but I sure am feeling it right now.
Deeply creepy.
TfL could have phrased that better, cue massed whining about "stealth" taxes.
In fact, I bet by the time this is mod'd, there's at least two.
Hint : If they tell you about it, it's not really stealthy, now is it ?
I hate ANPR as much as the next rabid libertarian / habitual criminal, but you all know the way to avoid it is to stock up and steak 'n' kidney and get your two wheeled, pie powered, personal transport out of the shed.
Don't forget to oil it, and watch those braking distances in the wet.
"plans were also announced to protect freedom of information and "legitimate journalism". Specifically this would be done by having Paul Dacre, editor of the Daily Mail, examine the rules under which many government documents are locked away for decades before being released to the public."
That's a joke right ? Please tell me that's a joke. It's certainly the first time I've seen the words "legitimate journalism" and "Daily Mail" in the same sentence.
You're not seriously telling me that instead of convening a committee of bipartisan pols and other interedsted parties, The Fat Controller is going to cede judgement on an issue of national importance to the Daily bastard Mail ?????????
I can't find any words, I really can't.
"new issues of terrorism and security, "
Again, that's a joke right ? I mean it's nearly November yeah ? Guy Fawkes ? Anyone ??
I just can't get used to seeing that in print (so to speak). It's just so frighteningly Orwellian.
W/R/T the actual story, if FOI requests are expensive, boo hoo. My heart bleeds.
Four remedies :
1) Stop being so damn secretive in the first place, if the info was routinely made readily available it wouldn't cost so much to track down.
2) Keep proper records, see above.
3) Sort your bloody admin processes out so that they actually work efficiently, massive cost savings all around. Handy hint for public orgs, stop hiring monkeys to be 'administrators' and get some properly trained employees. They'll cost more, sure, but they'll be more efficient, q.v previous. The three GCSE crowd will end up back on the dole, sure, temporarily inflating unemployment figures, but then they'll all get snapped up by Mickey D's and GAP which is where they belong in the first place.
4) Tax me more. If a proper, functioning, accountable democracy is more expensive than what we've got now, then so be it. But be damn sure you try the first three proposals first.
A heavily qualified, but hearty "yay" for the consultation result though.
...of weather the bloke is a decent sort, or weather the majority of mod chipping probably is for the stated purpose (comments here to the contrary obviously, and there are certainly many legit uses, but these are from techies and the XB is a mass market consumer product), or weather he was paying tax on his income (if so, prosecute him for that)
Regardless of weather the economics of piracy suggest that lowering unit costs would increase sales to make up the shortfall, and all that jazz.
Regardless of any factor that you care to mention, this law still sucks a fat one.
There is absolutely no frickin way on earth that it's legitimate to LEGISLATE against people modifiying things that they own. Similarly, if they are not technically competent to do it themselves, and wish to pay for a commercial third party after sales service that's legitimate for almost any other product I can think of, how the blue bloody hell is this a legitimate target for restrictive legislation ?
What is it exactly that makes game consoles so freakin' special that they special laws to protect them from harm ?
There are existing remedies in law for all the potential 'bad' uses of such a modification, so what gives ?
The people that drafted this law, and those that voted for it, should be taken to one side and beaten roundly with a clue stick until they understand the implications of what they have done and whose tune they are dancing to.
Yet again, we see a that a rich western economic system that spends a whole lot of time whining about "Free Trade" wouldn't know what free trade was if it stood up and bit them in their fat round asses.
Fucking politicians, conniving shitweasels, so they are. My piss boils.
..we sniffy Euros and stiff assed Brits really do need an independent military industrial base. We will need it when we fight the Yanks. Or in the best case, when we finally grow some balls and simply disengage from them.
I think we all know by now that sooner or later the Good Ol' US of A is going to do something so heinous and so unbelievably stupid that even the UK will find it distasteful to be associated with our once beloved cousins.
"China will not be involved in a Moon race with any other country and in any form."
Yeah right. If they keep hitting their set targets, the Chinese will land a manned mission to the moon in 2017, a bare couple of years before NASA plan to do the same (stop sniggering at the back).
But hey, if competition, even just national pissing competition stimulates space exploration, then yay! And about fucking time too.
Go China.
"...but if this is the start of a process of decriminalising all currently prohibited drugs, then I say OK."
With you there, that was pretty much my first thought as well. If one dangerous addictive drug can be licensed, then it's only fair that others should be to. I'd be perfectly willing to spring 200 quid a year if meant I could buy skunk from the corner shop at knock down prices (which is the way I buy ciggies now).
On the other hand, why the license. Why not just legalise and tax other drugs, which would provide a massive increase in tax revenue straight away ?
"If, as most people accept, prohibition and "just say no" doesn't work."
The sad answer is that, in fact, most people **don't** think that way. The hysterical middle classes (e.g the people who actually a)give a shit about drugs, etc and b) swing vote ) have been brainwashed by years of tabloid/ITV stories about retards like Leah Betts who killed themselves through their own stupidity, into repeating the mantra "Drugs are bad, m'kay" without applying any kind of critical thought process.
So much so that they can't even join up the dots thus :
Caffeine == drug; Booze == drug;
if(drug == bad) then Gin,Latte == also bad.
It's this same audience who have been now been convinced that Smoking == killing children & reducing biodiversity & funding terrorism (probably) who are the target market for stupid announcements like this.
Nothing will ever come of it, but Daily Wail/Express/etc reading Parents (note the capital P) will warm to the party because they are being seen to "Think About The Children"(tm) and because they see a policy that targets those "other people" who cost "them" a fortune in taxes to pay for "their" health service. And similar.
And of course smokers are fucked, because we *know* smoking is bad for you, it's written on the packet and everything, and we've been told that it's bad for other people as well, so it seems churlish to complain.
All in all a genius piece of political manipulation, which leaves with the interesting position that if it's actually implemented, our rulers are Stalinist, but if it's just fluff, they're more like, erm, hang on, it's Stalin again.
Funny how many times that name's come up.
"I am more than happy to concede that this is information that could be left out of the manual shipped with every unit but making it a pay only resource is where I have problems."
Sorry, I missed a bit off my post here I castigated BT in sympathy. Must be the Aspergers kicking in :-)
Well out of order to make that a chargeable support issue.
@Dave
Could be a bit of both.
Get a Thompson 7G CLI reference and manual (Thompson's website is a good place to start), then check out the Home Hub Hack wiki for how to unlock your CLI and get root access to the hub
http://www.homehubhacks.co.uk/index.php?n=HowTo.GetRoot
You should be able to work it out from there, assuming it's possible.
I'm not sure quite what makes you think this should be a well documented procedure, how many people want to use a consumer WiFi router as a bridge (as a percentage of total ownership, say) ?
Jeez Louise, log in to the router via telnet, unlock the admin functions (BT locked them down after people started using HHs on other ISPs) using about five minutes of clue and some easy peasy priv escalation, (or google it if you really are that incapable) remove all privs from the RA role and all other BT supplied users, set up your own.
Safe as bloody houses. And about the second thing you should have done with a brand new wireless router after changing the encryption to WPA.
Seriously though, I have to agree, firstly WTF do BT think they're up to providing a remote admin login in the first place ? Secondly, although I'm making out like it's just that easy, Joe Random User has little or no chance of realising that this kind of thing needs doing.
Bad BT !
Also, their web interface sucks a fat one, nice if they fixed that while they were busy.
So, would you rather pay a subscription to get to the juicy goodness of el reg ?
People have to eat you know, and advertising is the main revenue stream in the "new economy", or whatever they're calling it this year.
This has been the case since about 1996, so you've had plenty of time to get used to it.
I was just thinking what a decent comment that was, until I read the last sentence :
"Perhaps we should join or support EFF (the Electronic Frontier Foundation at http://www.eff.org/)."
Then I nearly wet myself laughing. I applaud your conviction, but you need someone more credible than the EFF to help you express it.
"identity fraud, child abuse and terrorist propaganda"
Ah of course. Draconian measures to protect me from the well known triumvirate of evil, crims, kiddy fiddlers and terrorists.
He forgot to mention immigrants, some oversight on his part, surely.
"think about "what we have in common [with the US]""
Obesity, arrogance, criminal foreign policy, a totalitarian regime bent on removing our few remaining meaningful freedoms ?
Yeah, it's a long list.
OK Mike, lets talk some more numbers.
Deaths from air pollution caused by traffic, according to the Lancet are 19,000 per annum, if we believe the NAO figure for economic cost per road death, that's another 50bn quid.
That's already eaten your remaining contribution, and you're into negative numbers now just paying for the death toll inflicted on society by motoring. In fact, we seem to be paying you to kill us.
That's what you can do when you just use a few straight numbers you pulled out of your arse.
You want some proper research, perhaps I should have cited sources earlier, my bad, try these.
http://www.thebikezone.org.uk/thebikezone/campaigning/tax.html
http://www.igreens.org.uk/great_road_transport_subsidy.htm
You won't like that, it was done by the green nazis, they have an agenda. But these people :
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/media/current/trnprice.htm
don't. Naturally, they give the motorist a little more leeway, citing that you probably pay ~33% of the actual cost of driving a car. Download the full paper, read it, be informed.
So, far from being a government mouthpiece, I am merely someone who *has* actually taken the time to read the actual research.
You might like to take the time to do the same before you start telling me I'm making unsubstantiated claims. You might wish to remain ignorant, it's your call.
We all do. And in fact, non drivers are subsidising road use. Your 'road' tax covers ~20% of the actual cost to society of having a car biased transport infrastructure.
Cost to the economy of road fatalities alone (not including serious or minor injuries) was ~£8bn last time I checked (NAO 2007). There's a big chunk of your 'road' tax right there. (Total cyclist fatalities hover around ~150 per year, and so account for less than 1 percent of this total, assuming the much bandied figure of 3k deaths per year). That sounds like a shit load of money, but don't flame me, that's an NAO figure.
Erosion studies (undertaken after the ramblers got arsey about MTBs mucking up 'their' countryside) show that even fat tyred bicycles cause less damage to the transit surface than peds, so cyclists aren't putting any pressure on the physical infrastructure anyway, so I cost nothing in terms of road maintenance.
Road building costs don't apply either, I don't need new roads for my bike, there are plenty of existing ones. And I can't use motorways, which account for the bulk of building cost.
So what's to pay for ? Fuel ? Natch. Am I polluting ? No. Am I congesting ? No. Do I need a massive and expensive parking infrastructure ? No. Do I need to contribute some money to traffic calming, speed enforcement, and parking enforcement measures that are required because of my arrogant disregard for the traffic laws ? No, well, not unless the 20MPH limit in comes in.
So I ask again, if I *were* to be paying road tax, what would it be for ? What costs should I be covering, exactly ?
You pay VED for the privilege of driving a dirty, expensive, polluting and dangerous vehicle on *my* roads, and covering a fraction of the economic cost of *your* activity. You are in no way subsidising me.
And while I'm chucking around figures, here's another of my favourites that illustrates how overblown some of the cycle safety debate really is. ~90% of cyclist fatalities involve an HGV or Bus. Cyclists, get ready to tick the flame box, because in my opinion as a regular cyclist, most of *these* are the fault of the cyclist. Despite my comment about shared bus/cycle lanes in another thread, I've never had any problems with bus drivers (well, not since I stopped living in Cheshire anyway) or HGV drivers. Virtually the only way to get killed by an HGV/bus is for you to take up a position in the driver's blind spot. Vehicle turns left, cyclist become axle decoration. Ouch. The driver really *didn't* see you, and this was all your own fault.
So a positive, upbeat article about a new version of a popular user focussed linux distro generates as many flames as an article that dares to be in some way be uncritical of MSFT.
This comment section has rapidly developed into a "my linux distro is better than your linux distro" pissing contest.
The quick'n'dirty answer to the question "Why didn't you mention [some linux distro]/[some tool that I use] ?" is this. The article was about Ubuntu.
Put your dummies back in, get the toys back in your prams and stop fucking whining you sad fanboi bastards.
It's attitudes like that which prevent many savvy developers from participating in FOSS projects and generally hold back the progress of GNU/Linux.
It's not that we don't like linux, we love linux. We just hate you, you poorly socialised nitpicking freaks.
It's bad enough on the train, and I travel first class. Someone should tell these fuckheads that they give you a phone so you don't *have* to shout. That's like, the whole point.
On more than one occasion I've communicated with other passengers my displeasure at their activities, especially after I paid extra to specifically to sit up front and avoid gobby little tosspots [1], usually to the resounding approval of the other passengers.
Allow this to happen on a plane, and someone is going to die.
[1] Well, that and to have a table to put the wine glasses on, obviously.