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The largest mass extinction event in Earth's history may have been driven by incredibly violent million-year long volcanic explosions that destroyed the ozone layer some 250 million years ago. Scientists call it the Great Dying, where almost 90 per cent of creatures perished at the end of the Permian era. Animals in water and …

  1. wolfetone Silver badge
    Trollface

    McCarthyism has stretched to volcanoes now?!

    1. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

      Well, maybe these were White Russians, seeing as they pre-date the revolution by quite a margin, unless they were revolutionary volcanoes banished to Siberia

    2. Elmer Phud

      Trumpet

      THERE HAS BEEN NO RUSSIAN INTERFR -- INTERVER - MEDDLING.

      I WOULD KNOW ABOUT IT,

      MORE FAKE NEWS!!

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Trumpet

        I'VE SEEN THE ERURP... ERUPC...EREC.. EXPLOSIONS. THESE WERE GREAT VOLCANOS. THE BEST!

        1. caffeine addict

          Re: Trumpet

          Trump knows all about hot yellow erup...

          Hang on. I've just remembered which site I'm on.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Mushroom

            Trump knows all about hot yellow erup...

            Well, that explains his hairstyle...

        2. BillG
          Megaphone

          Re: Trumpet

          THE ERUPTIONS WERE HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Trumpet

        "MORE FAKE NEWS!!"

        I don't belieeeeeeve You're Putin me on!!!

      3. arctic_haze
        Facepalm

        Re: Trumpet

        The new version is:

        COLLUSION IS NO CRIME

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Trumpet

          Correct, collusion is no crime.

          I look forward to the day that Netanyahu and his ultra gang's influence in US politics is dealt with.

          1. Stevie

            Re: Trumpet

            "These eruptions were yuge, bigly yuge. Some say they lasted a million years, some say ten million. I dunno. Beats me. But a yuge eruption lasting ten million years seems to me proof that Crooked Hillary hid her emails in the earth's crust. Why isn't Jeff Sessions demanding we investigate that? I spoke to the Russian Premier, a great man, great man, and he has no problem with our teams investigating all we want when it comes to Siberian rocks and Hillarycanoes."

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Chlorine ?!?!??

      But the oceans are full of it in the form of Sodium Chloride!

      Quick, call the UN. We need to drain the oceans!!!

  2. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge
    Joke

    Is there any evidence of collusion with other volcanoes?

    Sorry, couldn't resist

  3. Zog_but_not_the_first
    Trollface

    Oooooo Matron

    {fnar, fnar}

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Oooooo Matron

      I think they meant "accusing the perp" not "recusing the slurp".

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Deccan Traps are implicated in another extinction event, too. Methinks the odd comet or asteroid isn't entirely the problem as it is one of those and volcanoes over the span of life on earth. We need to figure out what the dynamic is here that initiates million year long volcanic events.

    1. Oh Matron!

      Good post. Part of the problem is that the evidence no longer exists. Take Lake Baikal. It exists as part of a rift valley complex. Rift valleys are normally spreading centres between two plates (like the rift valley in Africa, the mid atlantic ridge, etc, etc). There's no plate boundary, however. There might have been, but due to subduction, etc, etc, we'll never know.

      The time scale, however, does coincide with the break up of pangaea, however...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Some rift valleys are found on spreading margins - such as that along the MidAtlantic Ridge; but most are intraplate features created by an upwelling of hot Mantle under a continent. A really good example is the East African Rift Valley which is pulling the African Plate apart; but doesn't seem to have quite enough umph to actually break the plate and create new ocean floor.

        Closer to home, there are nice rift valleys in the German Rhine region; the Midland Valley in Scotland, the North Sea and a hidden one running north-south under the West Midlands.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
          Devil

          Hold on a minute! Are you saying there's a chance that Birmingham could be destroyed by a massive volcanic erruption?

          Woohoo! Where can I buy tickets? When do I get the picnic ready for?

          1. ICPurvis47
            Mushroom

            And Coventry (please!)

        2. Alan Brown Silver badge

          "there are nice rift valleys in the German Rhine region; the Midland Valley in Scotland, the North Sea and a hidden one running north-south under the West Midlands."

          On the other side of the Atlantic there's the Reelfoot rift, which usually pops every couple of hundred years with a series of magnitude 8+ tremors. The last set were centred around the town of New Madrid. The USA has only just started waking up to the scale of the issue across the midwest in the last 25 years (the biggest natural disaster in terms of widespread loss of life, building destruction and sheer cost they're realistically facing is another New Madrid earthquake swarm, not Calfornia quakes/Cascadia Tsunamis or Yellowstone). With Trumplethinskin in the hot seat and FEMA et al being cut back, Puerto Rico/Haiti is likely to be the kind of scenario that may unfold.

          It's worth noting that major river courses tend to roughly follow the path of deep faults like Reelfoot. It's one good reason why putting things like nuclear power stations alongside them may not be such a smart idea.

    2. caffeine addict

      To be honest, I'm not all that concerned about eruptions that last more than about 50 years. It used to be more, but it's going down by about one per year since 1975...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Plumes

      The dynamic of these huge events is pretty well understood as being related to Mantle plumes which are superheated columns of rock (not magma) rising from close to the Core/Mantle interface. They rise through the Mantle as relatively narrow features, but as they reach shallower levels they form mushroom-cloud shaped bodies of rock. The reduction in pressure is enough to partially melt the head of the plume; meanwhile the impact of the plume on the lithosphere causes it to bulge upwards, thin and fracture allowing the magma to pour out as flood basalts.

      As you say, the Deccan is probably linked to the extinction of the dinosaurs; a massive decline in biodiversity (especially in the oceans) and a wildly-changing climate and acidified rainfall were all occurring long before part of Mexico was turned into a crater. Right now, that plume is driving the volcano on Reunion in the Southern Indian Ocean - but the good news is that once the head of the plume has been exhausted, the long tail only provides a relative trickle of melt.

      The most productive plume on the planet right now is the plume that created the Antrim Basalts in Northern Ireland is now driving most of the volcanism in Iceland (the MidAtlantic Ridge is a relatively small contributor to Icelandic activity); but the most impressive is the one under Afar in Ethiopia which is pushing the whole of East Africa more than a kilometre into the sky and driving the Africa Rift Valley - although it probably isn't strong enough to rift Africa into two.

      In theory, we could see any emerging plumes long before they arrive on the surface through technologies such as seismic tomography and their effect on local gravitation; but the good news is that there is no obvious threat from a new plume for the immediate geological future.

      The threat is from the tails of existing plumes, which although they only ten to produce a fraction of a cubic kilometre of melt each year, can occasionally produce monstrous volumes of magma - such as our old friend the Icelandic plume which produced 18km3 in the Eldgyá eruption of 939CE; depressed Northern Hemisphere temperatures by 2C and probably inspired the Viking idea of Ragnarok; and then vomited up a further 14km3 from nearby Lake during 1783-84; creating a famine that killed a quarter of Icelanders, poisoned more than 20,000 people in England and probably contributed to a complete collapse of the Indian and Chinese monsoons. If they were to happen today, the death toll across the World could be unimaginable.

      Just to put those into context, after 65 million years of erosion, the Deccan contains more than one million km3 of lava. Magnetic evidence suggests most of it was erupted within a span of 20,000 years which included several prolonged episodes of inactivity. A Deccan-like eruption would be the end of us.

      It would however be a beautiful way to go....

      1. Martin Gregorie

        Re: Plumes

        Good write-up - thanks.

        I notice you didn't mention the much hyped Yellowstone supervolcano and wonder why not. Is it simply not that much of a potential threat?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Plumes

          It's a plume-driven volcano and it will probably have major explosive eruptions in the future. On a historic scale, a repeat of one of the cataclysmic eruptions from Yellowstone (or indeed its more mysterious southern cousin, Long Valley) would be devastating and cause huge hardship for the Northern Hemisphere. However, chances are on a human timescale, future activity will be confined to the caldera; and on a geological timescale, even caldera eruptions pale in comparison to flood basalts.

          Though, the fading plume that drives Yellowstone was responsible for the magnificent Columbia flood basalts of Washington and Idaho. I heartily recommend a trip to anyone who wants to be awed by a landscape. (And Yellowstone itself is simply jaw-dropping).

        2. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Plumes

          WRT Yellowstone: it doesn't go off much or often. You should worry more about Taupo.

    4. Milton

      Antipodal shock

      Jack of Shadows: "We need to figure out what the dynamic is here that initiates million year long volcanic events."

      Interesting question. Geologists occasionally muse about the way surface and sub-surface shockwaves propagate from major impacts, in particular the fact that, as they radiate around the globe from the impact point, they come togather again at another point on the antipode—i.e. on the other side of the planet (so, for example, London's antipode is a few hundred km south-east of the southern end of New Zealand). Some modelling (though I'm not sure of the quality, so far) suggests that this re-focusing of the shockwaves may have major effects, such as earthquakes, possibly fractures of the crust, and therefore maybe precipitating volcanic eruptions.

      While it's a reasonable hypothesis, so far as I'm aware it remains unproven, particularly as to the violence and ultimate significance of any antipodal seismic disruption. By contrast, it may be that shockwaves can have more devastating effects closer to the impact point, for example as they refract through different denstiies of material. In other words, it's possible that the eruptions generating the Siberian Traps were caused, or made worse, by an impact, but the latter need not necessarily have been at the antipode (which would have been Antarctica today, hence some early interest in the Wilkes Land Crater features, which I think are now known to be too young to be guilty, if indeed they are impact features at all).

      I hope that a good few excited geology postgrads are looking, firstly, at the historical evidence: it can actually be quite difficult to find really old impact points, and then determine that what you've found really was caused by an impactor rather than being a perceptual artefact or—like Silverpit—possibly rock collapsing due to salt exfiltration (also, viz the mention of WLC above). Secondly, let's hope they'll also be hooking up with some seriously powerful computing power to more accurately model and understand how impactor shockwaves propagate through the Earth's quite complicated mixture of layers and densities. There is an awful lot yet to be learned about this subject.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Antipodal shock

        The problem I have with the idea that eruptions can be initiated by antipodal shock is that it doesn't account for the presence of eruptable lava at that antipodal point: whilst the shock might very well create new faults, which might make it easier for any existing eruptable lava to reach the surface and erupt, it won't create that eruptable lava - it would already have to be there.

        A couple of things seem to be misrepresented in the article though, seemingly to sex it up a little bit:

        "The scale of this extinction was so incredible that scientists have often wondered what made the Siberian Flood Basalts so much more deadly than other similar eruptions".

        Scientists quite probably did wonder about the scale of the extinction, but only until they discovered the scale, both in size and duration, of the Siberian Traps eruption, then it pretty much did make sense.

        And:

        "But after the volcano exploded..."

        This suggests a localised Plinian type of eruption, ending with a single, or short sequence of paroxysmal explosions, rather like Krakatau or Mt St. Helens, and which are associated with plate-boundaries and subduction zones, whereas it seems pretty certain that the Siberian Traps eruption(s) were of long duration, effusive and non-localised. This is not to say that there wouldn't have been any 'explosions' but they would have been relatively small and pretty insignificant in the overall scale of the Siberian Traps eruption.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Antipodal shock

        A link between the Chicxulub impact and a massive increase in the volume of the magma erupting from the Deccan has been proposed in:

        Keller, G., 2014. Deccan volcanism, the Chicxulub impact, and the end-Cretaceous mass extinction: Coincidence? Cause and effect? Geological Society of America Special Papers 505, SPE505-03. https://doi.org/10.1130/2014.2505(03)

        Keller proposes that the Mantle could be fractured by a massive impact allowing melt to migrate more rapidly to the surface and produce cataclysmic amounts of lava. It's an intriguing theory with a lot to commend it, though it is clear the Deccan was buggering the planet well before the impact. The biggest problem is dating the Deccan itself; many of the lavas have suffered low temperature metamorphism or chemical weathering which have altered the feldspars normally used for K-Ar and Ar-Ar dating.

        Annoyingly, the KPg iridium anomaly is not found in the Deccan. A few localised iridium anomalies have been found in the West of the province, but it is generally thought they represent concentrations of the element from terrestrial weathering.

        I still think we need a time machine.

      3. Tom 7

        Re: Antipodal shock

        One of the hard things about seismology on a global scale is the wave front of a shock is seriously blurred and diffused by the time(s) it gets to the other side of the planet. Even something as massive as Chicxulub would only be a medium to large earthquake and it would be very unlikely to act as a trigger to a volcanic eruption.

    5. Old Used Programmer

      Alvarez looked at the Deccan Traps for the K-T boundary extinction and ruled it out because the date is wrong.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Alvarez was using the older K-Ar dating method for his research.

        It's now clear that this is not reliable in the Deccan as many of the feldspars used for dating have either been chemically altered by hot groundwater after the lavas crystallised, fractured - allowing argon to escape, or weathered on the surface. This has the effect of producing abnormally young K-Ar ages for the lavas which are in conflict with the fossil data found in sediments between individual flows.

        More recently, geologists have moved to Ar-Ar dating on isolated, cleaned feldspar crystals which produce much more consistent dates. The new dates show the most prolific part of the Deccan all lie within the magnetic episode called C29r (66.398 - 65.688Ma) which straddles the K-Pg boundary (66.043 ± 0.043Ma) - although the position of the boundary inside the Deccan is not clear.

      2. Alan Brown Silver badge

        The Deccan traps _are_ wrong for the K-T event but they fit for the extinction trail and evidence of biosphere poisoning leading up to it.

        The part that causes so much argument about Chixulub is that it's not large enough to have caused a mass extinction _by itself_ even given the location where it hit (shallow limestone sea), but a basalt flood event plus asteroid strike certainly would do the trick.

    6. Mike Moyle

      "We need to figure out what the dynamic is here that initiates million year long volcanic events."

      ...a really killer vindaloo? (Well, there have been times when it FELT like a million years...)

  5. jay_bea

    The Ends of the World

    Peter Brannen has written a very interesting and readable account of this and the other 4 mass extinction events that have taken place over the history of life on the planet (The Ends of the World). It is amazing just how much can be learnt about the Earth's history from billion year old rocks.

    The book is a bit like the Total Perspective Vortex from the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, highlighting the tiny amount of time that humans have been on the planet in the perspective of its 5 billion year history, as well as the fragility of life.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The Ends of the World

      highlighting the tiny amount of time that humans have been on the planet in the perspective of its 5 billion year history, as well as the fragility of life.

      And is why we really, really, need to find some way to send at least some of us somewhere else.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: The Ends of the World

        "And is why we really, really, need to find some way to send at least some of us somewhere else."

        Why? To preserve the species? Are we really all that worth it? Evidence would suggest otherwise. Sure, some individuals are noteworthy ... but as a whole, humans are greedy destructive bastards who refuse to play nice with others. Sadly, I suspect we've stopped evolving and are yet another evolutionary dead end.

        1. My-Handle

          Re: The Ends of the World

          @jake

          Wow. How do you even get up in the morning?

          Still, at least we can take something from your post. Another possible hypothesis to explain the Fermi Paradox.

        2. Gordon 10

          Re: The Ends of the World

          Do we need any more why than for the simple joy of existing?

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

          Why? To preserve the species? Are we really all that worth it?

          Nominate some better candidates and I'll consider your rationale. Notwithstanding the worst that humans can do, at tour best, we're clever, cooperative, caring and altruistic. I think making an effort at preserving the species for its better qualities is very sensible.

          1. jasper pepper

            Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

            Rose tinted specs. For all other forms of life, rats and cockroaches excepted, the ever more rapacious human population has been a complete disaster.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

              I think you can add at least hens, cattle, sheep, probably horses, cats & dogs to that list.

              (Not arguing we're not a disaster, note.)

              1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

                Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

                I think you can add at least hens, cattle, sheep, probably horses, cats & dogs to that list.

                And numerous species of plants, fungi, protozoans, etc. At least if the metric is something like population size or outlasting niche competitors.

                If you want to go maximum Dawkins, you could argue that humans have been very bad for many genes (thanks to the various extinctions we've caused), but great for a lot of others. We've even moved some genes into genomes they never would have gotten into otherwise.

                (Not that I'm recommending going maximum Dawkins. Even in an emergency, I can't recommend more than 0.7 Dawkins.)

          2. Mark 85

            Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

            Nominate some better candidates and I'll consider your rationale.

            At this point, there aren't any better candidates. If we look at this being births and deaths of life, perhaps what was considered an advanced civilization did exist before the event. We don't know and may never know. At it its, we're the best currently. In a million or billion years, it may well be something else.

            1. HelpfulJohn

              Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

              "At it its, we're the best currently. In a million or billion years, it may well be something else."

              Unfortunately, there can be no post-human technological civilisation on this planet. Indeed, should this human city culture fail there would be no coming back. No recovery. No second chance at the stars.

              All of the free, easy to grab energy sources, with the exceptions of wood and horse-equivalents are gone, used up, converted into City, treasures and CO2. Bootstrapping a second city-culture level society to the level that would allow it to take the stars can never happen as there are no energy sources to power it.

              Solar, wind, tidal, nuclear and geothermal power plants need a preceding base of coal and oil powered technologies to get them up to a useful point. Once humans, once *this* human culture has used up the oil and coal there will be no way of *starting* such a base.

              Life on Earth has one chance of getting off-world. We're it. We have one chance of getting off this word and it is *now*.

              We're not going to do it. The era of manned off-world activity is dead. The Dream of Stars is dead.

              All of our songs, all of our stories, all our splendid heroes, nasty villains, kings, cooks, magicians, wizards and writers will be lost forever. All the future of the cosmos will be silence.

              Once this civilisation collapses there is no climbing back.

              1. jake Silver badge
                Pint

                Re: The Ends of the World@ jake

                So overall, life is so damn good that you had to resort to a year old conversation to broadcast your vision of doom and gloom? C'mon, dude, it's FRIDAY!

                Relax, have a homebrew!

        4. caffeine addict

          Re: The Ends of the World

          Why? To preserve the species? Are we really all that worth it?

          Ultimately, our only worth is so that some future squid creature can create a work of fiction about creating a safari park inhabited by creatures whose DNA was protected by multiple layers of fake tan...

        5. phuzz Silver badge
          Meh

          Re: The Ends of the World

          [...]as a whole, humans are greedy destructive bastards who refuse to play nice with others[...]

          I'd like to disagree with you, but the evidence is on your side.

          However;

          Sadly, I suspect we've stopped evolving and are yet another evolutionary dead end.

          As long as people are still breeding in the traditional way, we'll still be evolving. That doesn't mean we'll be (eg) getting smarter, as the evolutionary pressures might be pushing us towards developing a smaller brain (which might use less food for example), but we are still evolving.

          Evolving doesn't mean constant improvement.

          1. Jtom

            Re: The Ends of the World

            Try reading Vonnegut’s Galapagos. The premise of the story is that nature screwed up and gave us too big of a brain. However, she corrects her mistake, and we (d)evolve to be the critter she Intended us to be: one who spends everyday simply laying in the sun, eating, farting, and having sex, noting more.

      2. Rich 11

        Re: The Ends of the World

        And is why we really, really, need to find some way to send at least some of us somewhere else.

        Not that it would help in this case, since Mars barely has an atmosphere let alone an ozone layer. We'd be far better off building shelters on Earth rather than Mars. It'd be much cheaper, more certain, and capable of protecting many, many more people than we could ever send into space.

        It's worth putting that 'fragility of life' quote into context too: life survived, every time. And that was without having the advantage of intelligence or technology.

        1. jay_bea

          Re: The Ends of the World

          "It's worth putting that 'fragility of life' quote into context too: life survived, every time. And that was without having the advantage of intelligence or technology."

          Most accurately, I should have said the fragility of current life on the planet, for as you have noted, life did survive. However, each mass extinction event was effectively a reboot, with different forms of life appearing each time. Very few living things have made it through all the mass extinction events. If humans do succeeding in starting the next mass extinction event (Brannen thinks we are nowhere near that yet), then life will reappear again even though it may take 100s of millions of years; but possibly without humans.

      3. Uncle Ron

        Re: The Ends of the World

        I have one candidate to "send somewhere else."

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    highlighting the tiny amount of time that humans have been on the planet in the perspective of its 5 billion year history

    FAKE NEWS!

    As all right-thinking Christians know, the world was created in 4004 BC.

    1. Rich 11

      And God won't let anything bad happen to the planet, so repeal all those damn stupid environmental laws and let me get on with blowing the tops off mountains and poisoning the water tables.

    2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      "As all right-thinking Christians know, the world was created in 4004 BC."

      I wish Archbishop Alan Harper, who was an archaeologist earlier in his career, had made an ex cathedra statement contradicting his predecessor.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      -->As all right-thinking Christians know, the world was created in 4004 BC

      So, let me get this clear, only Protestants are "right thinking Christians"? (I know you were being sarcastic).

      The 4004BC thing was a purely Protestant invention due to their Biblical literalism. St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, over a thousand years before, that anything in the Bible which was contrary to fact was to be assumed to be allegorical. They went pretty wild on allegory at times, but the entire notion that Genesis was a chronology dictated by God to Moses has never been, AFAIK, Catholic doctrine. The (mainly US) Protestants of today who believe that garbage are largely the descendants of immigrants of somewhat inadequate education, and it shows in this and many other ways.

      1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

        Re: -->As all right-thinking Christians know, the world was created in 4004 BC

        I think "right-thinking" means thinking thoughts acceptable to the political right.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Devil

        St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, [...] that anything in the Bible which was contrary

        Tell poor Galileo... and many others even unluckier.

        It is true later Vatican had its own astronomical observatory, and some priest were also excellent scientists (i.e. Angelo Secchi), and the Catholic Church mostly avoided "literal" interpretations of the Bible so common in some other churches.

        The problem usually lies than in authoritarian systems which derive all their power from "the book" (not only the Bible, of course), anything that could create any doubt about it - and thereby reduce their power - is dangerous and must be destroyed.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, [...] that anything in the Bible which was contrary

          "Tell poor Galileo... and many others even unluckier."

          Galileo wasn't persecuted, that is an Urban myth.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            "Galileo wasn't persecuted, that is an Urban myth."

            So why the Pope apologized?

            http://w2.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/it/speeches/1992/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19921031_accademia-scienze.html

            Giordano Bruno was far less lucky, and was burnt to death. From a religion that should be built on Love and Forgiveness....

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: "Galileo wasn't persecuted, that is an Urban myth."

              @LDS "So why the Pope apologized?"

              Because he was wrong and displayed his characteristic poor judgement.

              Giordano Bruno was simply self-serving slime who ensured that many English Christians were murdered by being a government informer. So if you want to lionise him, go a praise all the Stasi informers also.

          2. Rich 11

            Re: St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, [...] that anything in the Bible which was contrary

            Galileo wasn't persecuted, that is an Urban myth.

            Groan...

            I'll say it again. GROAN....

            Well played, sir / madam / arbitrary Londoner.

          3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

            Re: St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, [...] that anything in the Bible which was contrary

            Galileo wasn't persecuted, that is an Urban myth.

            So often the best jokes are the ones that 40% of the audience miss.

            1. Pedigree-Pete
              Pint

              Re: St. Augustine had told the Catholic Church, [...] that anything in the Bible which was contrary

              I only got the Urban joke due to some of the stuff in these hallowed pages. Ignorance is the failure of an individual to take the opportunities offered to be educated. Thank you commentariat. :) PP

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: -->As all right-thinking Christians know, the world was created in 4004 BC

        The 4004 BC thing was also nothing more than a doodle on the margins of Ussher's document, I believe it was never meant to be pulled out of the hat as something definitive. Biblical literalism is mainly a thing of the last 3 centuries, probably in reaction to the "Enlightenment" and the spread of science as the driver of fact - most Hebrews and early to Middle Ages Christians understood that the Old Testament/Torah contained much that was allegory and imagery that was never meant to be taken literally - particularly Genesis up to the time of Abraham.

  7. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    How would this affect aquatic species? They have extra filtering. I suppose it could also have affected the pH of water but if their were substantial changes to water chemistry one might expect extra halides to turn up in later sedimentary rocks.

    1. Dr Dan Holdsworth
      Boffin

      The Siberian super-volcano didn't just spew out lava and this hellbrew of halogens; it also chucked out an enormous amount of sulphur dioxide, and more importantly the entire volcano complex erupted through Carboniferous coal measures. If this new research is correct, then the vulcanism couldn't really have been much more destructive, because not only was there a super-volcano polluting the atmosphere with ash, dust and sulphuric acid particles (causing a volcanic winter of epic proportions), but the volcano was also spewing ozone-destroying chlorine gas AND on top of all of that had chucked out enough CO2 into the atmosphere to make the oceans slightly fizzy.

      Most of the oxygen in the atmosphere is generated by algae living at the ocean surface. Most ocean-living life breeds via a planktonic stage right after hatching, which tends to live where the food is, right at the ocean surface. Pretty much all of the trilobite species bred that way, and the combination of CO2-poisoned oceans and UV light finished their entire phylum off.

      The Deccan traps coincided with the dinosaur-killer asteroid, so it is hard to see which had the greater effect on life on earth. Those events did cause a world-wide wildfire and dust-induced ice age, and there was some effect from the asteroid hitting sulphate minerals and releasing sulphate into the atmosphere, but the KT-boundary didn't see this huge CO2 release, and the oceans were much less heavily affected. The KT-boundary event was also much shorter, only a few tens of thousands of years if that, rather than a million years of volcanic eruption.

      1. Dave Schofield

        >The Deccan traps coincided with the dinosaur-killer asteroid, so it is hard to see which had the greater effect on life on earth.

        I don't like coincidences like that. The chances of a large, destructive asteroid impact at the same geological time as one of the largest volcanic impacts. I'm not a geologist, but it is possible that one of the results of a large asteroid impact manifests as a release in pressure at a weak point in the strata - the Deccan Traps eruption was a result of the crust readjusting to the impact?

        1. caffeine addict

          When you're talking about timescales in the tens of thousands to millions of years ballpark, do they still count as coincidences?

        2. Alister

          My understanding is that the Deccan Traps were effectively the exit wound from the asteroid impact at Chicxulub, as they were located more or less diametrically opposite at the time.

        3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          the Deccan Traps eruption was a result of the crust readjusting to the impact

          No, no. The Deccan Traps were the means by which the dinosaurs summoned the meteors.

          When it's time to retire, go out in style.

  8. Pen-y-gors

    By 'eck,

    Lasting a million years, wiping out life - that sounds like a description of the effects of #Brexit!

  9. Big_Boomer Silver badge

    Don't let FARTWIG see this, he will put even more sanctions on Russia for their past misdemeanours, and probably setup sanctions against Mexico for the Chicxulub impact.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      and probably setup sanctions against Mexico for the Chicxulub impact

      We'll build a wall, a huuuge wall, the greatest wall ever, to keep out meteorites, and the meteorites will pay for it.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "The largest mass extinction event in Earth's history MAY have been driven by incredibly violent million-year long volcanic explosions that destroyed the ozone layer some 250 million years ago."

    Then again it may not, the eruptions could have been the side effect of a large impact body.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'Closer to home, there are nice rift valleys in the German Rhine region; the Midland Valley in Scotland, the North Sea and a hidden one running north-south under the West Midlands.'

    Would that be near the route for HS2?

    1. cosymart
      Joke

      Well, HS2 is causing a rift.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Boffin

    A million years

    Something I'm never sure about with this event: it lasted a million years or so. Did things get bad quickly and then stay bad for a million years, or did it take a million years to do its work? Because if it's the latter thing this is actually a rather slow event: a few hundred times as long as there has been any real civilisation, and about three times as long as Homo sapiens has existed for. That doesn't mean it wasn't a cataclysm of course, but it might be one that was hard to recognise while it was happening.

    (And I won't add a comment about how the timescale compares with what we're now doing because the Great Orange Prune has informed me that all that inconvenient fake science news media is made up by librals who are, for some reason against fa (are they OK with do, re, me, sol, la & ti? I don't know).)

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: A million years

      The first ten thousand years were the worst, and the second ten thousand years, they were the worst too. The third ten thousand I didn't enjoy at all. After that I went into a bit of a decline.

  13. Old Used Programmer

    Missing Halogen

    Interesting that there is no mention of Fluorine, which was a major killer as a result of the 1783 Laki eruption (altogether, killed about 25% of the population of Iceland). If you think losing the ozone layer is bad, try fluoridosis.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Missing Halogen

      Other halogens are perfectly capable of killing people too. See bromism, for example.

      You pump huge amounts of reactive elements into the environment, and the results probably won't be terribly good for most organisms. Biochemistry is not terribly tolerant of that sort of thing. Even changing the relative proportion of the reactive elements they need in fairly large quantities (e.g. oxygen) by a significant amount will do most in.

  14. Version 1.0 Silver badge

    Time for another one?

    We have not had an even moderate eruption for a long time - just one super volcano erupting tomorrow (say at 0.01% of the Siberian level) would solve much of the current political problems and upend our society. I'm not wishing for this, but let's face it - we're about 10,000% unprepared for an Earth changing event.

    1. Korev Silver badge

      Re: Time for another one?

      This is completely true; the "latest" supereruption left parts of New Zealand under 200m of igneous rock... There would have been a huge impact on the climate too.

    2. Jay Lenovo

      Re: Time for another one?

      ...would solve much of the current political problems...

      Solving in a very grotesque sense? Crises bring people together only because so many have been sacrificed. Crises also inspire about anarchy and self-serving rogues.

      We're probably 10,000% unprepared for an Earth changing event because there's a million more things likely to devastate our immediate lives.

      Historic trend of the concerns for the short-lived human.

  15. Stevie

    Bah!

    So the theory is that everything got suntanned to death because the air was full of halogens?

    How about everything choked to death because of all the halogens in the air and dissolving in the sea?

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In Soviet Russia..

    Volcanoes erupt YOU!!

    (gets coat, asbestos lined obviously)

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Is this revealing the latest weapon in the evil dictator Putin's armory? These scientists will need to be careful using door handles, or perfume bottles.

  18. Celeste Reinard

    The Human Explosion

    A friend of mine is writing since ages on this work of his, 'Pearls of Doom', which is about an earth that is lived upon by 200 billion people - having completly 'machined out' the planet. Based on the asumption of there still being a lot of planet that is still in its original, unmined shape: everything 10 kilometers below our feet. ... Only, what's the point being a being that due to random pressures will change - even in a 'machined out' world. Where machines are an integral part of the ecology to keep the planet going - a removal would certainly evoke a crisis. ... (for the biblical note: Jezus would probably have given a total blank on what was just said, given his somewhat rural upbringing, so let's leave that poor man alone with his troubles wih his rather violent father that ends up liki... killing his son... His life is already s***ty enough.)

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ozone panic

    Well, the "Warming Earth" panic has gotten out of the public eye in the last two cold years so back to the "Ozone Layer" mongering of old. I'm sure human activity will be found somehow responsible for volcanic activity as well.

  20. Frank Oz

    Call me crazy, but wasn't this a story in other media (its even been on the Science and Discovery channels since) about five or ten years back.

    This is a 'filler item' ... right.

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Warp core breach

    Your average Muggle (tm) has *NO IDEA* of the violence of a typical volcanic eruption.

    It was said that during the initial stages of Krakatoa going KABOOM the ocean "froze" for a split second. To get a reaction like that implies total energy release of around 190 megatons.

    For perspective the Tsar Bomba was a mere 57 megatons and that produced a plume about the same as the recent eruption of Eyjafjallajökull and that disrupted flights for weeks: TB would have done if detonated at ground level.

    If Yellowstone (please not in my lifetime) blew its top or for that matter the ones in Indonesia or Siberia we would be looking at a minimum of 3-5c global temperature collapse and a death toll in the 900M range just from climatic effects alone. Conservative estimate for the last eruption is in the 10,000MT range.

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