Edge has had a pretty bad run of RCE bugs too (over half). Perhaps time for Microsoft to give up developing browsers altogether and stick to something they are good at?
Chinese web giant finds Windows zero-day, stays schtum on specifics
Chinese company Quihoo 360 says it's found a Windows zero-day in the wild, but because it's notified Microsoft, it's not telling anyone else how it works. In this Weibo post (unless you speak Mandarin you'll need a translation tool), the company announced an “APT attack” on the unspecified zero-day “on a global scale”. …
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Monday 23rd April 2018 08:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Edge has had a pretty bad
Edge is just IE12 web render engine with a new UI frame.
They say it's new, but it's just PR. In reality it's just a refactored web render engine based on the IE11 trident. Even in IE11, trident got renamed to "Edge" as you can see e.g. in F11 WebDev tools. So no wonder it shares many but not all defects, glitches and bugs that can be traced back to IE3. And some minor glitches persisted between the good ol Mosaic browser (nevertheless IE1 was a direct fork of it) and Edge browser - means certain parts were kept untouched between 1994 and 2018, probably because no one understood the side-effects and various third parties depended on that behaviour.
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Monday 23rd April 2018 11:22 GMT Wade Burchette
Re: Edge has had a pretty bad
"Edge is just IE12 web render engine with a new UI frame."
Makes sense. Why do updates to it require a restart? (And why do add-ons require the Microsoft Store? Don't answer that last one, I know why.) Why does a browser have to be intertwined so tight with the OS?
And, of course, since Edge is essentially IE with a new UI and since this is new Microsoft, the UI is absolute garbage, just like Windows 8 and 10's UI is absolute garbage. Ugly, ribbon everywhere when it should be nowhere, what was once 1 step is now 5, confusing. I don't care if Edge can load pages 5 times as fast as any other browser, if the UI is a confusing stupid nightmare then I won't ever be using it. Microsoft has forgotten that designs should be easy to use and logical.
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Monday 23rd April 2018 12:44 GMT yossarianuk
Their joypads were pretty cool too - I remember you could daisy chain up to 4 sidewinders via the PC's game port (this was pretty good at the time as this was pre USB)
Also the sidewinder drivers were added to the Linux kernel so worked out the box with no additional drivers needed (unlike in Windows..)
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Monday 23rd April 2018 04:07 GMT Mark 65
Price to be paid
Microsoft would far prefer that users stopped using Internet Explorer and adopted its Edge browser instead. Some users are proving stubborn, though: according to Net Market Share, IE still has a rusted-on 12 per cent of the browser market.
That's the price you have to pay for stepping away from the W3C standards and implementing the shit that is/was IE6 that countless organisations are now dependent upon due to legacy author-gone-bust applications using some of its various quirks.
Karma.
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Monday 23rd April 2018 06:53 GMT Ken Hagan
Re: Windows 7 < > Edge
I *have* upgraded to Win10, but like many other people I know, I found that Edge stopped working (early in the New Year) with a number of sites I expect to use and so I reverted to IE because it still works. (Obviously on a machine that isn't supposed to be "as customers see it", I'd have installed a proper browser and wouldn't bother with either of Microsoft's pieces of polished turd.)
Once Edge is finished, I'll give it another whirl.
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Monday 23rd April 2018 07:26 GMT Milton
"Perhaps time for Microsoft to ... stick to something they are good at?"
"Perhaps time for Microsoft to ... stick to something they are good at?"
Hmm ... I think you may have backed them into a bit of a corner, there.
Marketing (which M$ is undeniably good at) usually requires something to market, which they won't have if they give up on their principal, time-honoured activity of crimping off logs of vastly bloated, inefficient, unnecessarily complex code reeking with bugs and vulnerabilities—which then lie around attracting the billion or so flies who just luurve that smelly but oh so easy-to-digest badness.
I still find myself mildly surprised that M$ haven't contrived an excuse for issuing their own sui generis version of FBM*¹ Linux, a version merely tripled in size with lots of lovely padding for "telemetry" (spying on customers), "reporting" (disguising the existence of bugs), "help" (attempts to sell additional shit), "integrated functionality" (locked-in, inferior, proprietary applications you didn't want) and my favourite "security" (malware filter that permits only M$ shit to infect you).
I guess it's only a matter of time ....
*¹ F***ed By Microsoft, of course.
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Monday 23rd April 2018 12:43 GMT JimmyPage
Re: IP camera that doesn't require an ActiveX plugin
All of them ?
Suggest you checkout Zoneminders forums, and follow links from there. There's tonnes of data on various no-name cameras. From my experience. they can all be controlled via HTTP querystrings.
(Funnily enough I just got an IP camera that's been off since 2013 working again under Linux. If it helps, you can catch 5 seconds worth of video with:
ffmpeg -i "http://192.168.10.123/videostream.cgi?user=admin&pwd=123456&resolution=640,480" -acodec pcm_mulaw -vcodec copy -force_key_frames 'expr:gte(t,n_forced*5)' -y -t 5 recording.asf
In fact if you Google "videostream.cgi" you should start finding links. Or if you're happy wiresharking or using Chromes debugger, you can see the data structures involved.
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Tuesday 24th April 2018 14:24 GMT Archivist
Re: IP camera that doesn't require an ActiveX plugin
I bought a recommended no-name camera that didn't need ActiveX, and was so happy I purchased 2 more from the same supplier. To my horror although the same model number, these needed ActiveX.
As a Mac and Linux user they were no good to me. I tried to return them through eBay but the supplier could not understand my problem, and stalled for long enough for the return deadline to expire. I eventually got my money back from Paypal. It was a load of hassle.
Subsequent cameras have been rather more expensive named brands, but much less hassle!
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