That's all well and good but can they really assemble furniture like humans? Do they try without the instructions thinking they know best? Do they make a mistake and realise near the end that they have to go back and start again? Do they get half way through and think sack that and pop off to the pub? That's what I would call true AI.
Machines learned to assemble IKEA’s semi-disposable furniture
Singaporean scientists have asked the question: “Can robots assemble an IKEA chair?” and come back with enough of a “Yes” that The Register feels it time to call for robots to take this job away from humans. Pleeeease, robots. Take this job away from us! The boffins behind this breakthrough, assistant professor Pham Quang …
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Thursday 19th April 2018 07:35 GMT A K Stiles
Instructions
And here I was hoping that the system was starting from scratch and using the instruction sheet to determine the correct assembly procedure - in my experience the most time is taken trying to understand the hieroglyphics in an IKEA instruction manual (well second only to the time it took to get around the IKEA store to find said item and then pay for it and leave again)
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Thursday 19th April 2018 11:43 GMT SVV
Re: Instructions
Well, obviously it can't be an AI that can read and understand Ikea instruction diagramlets, as that would be so intelligent it would also have spontaneously solved all possible remaining mathematics and physics problems on the way too. And just by putting bits togeter that fit each other, it would have assembled many things, but none of them would be a chair. Therefore, I suspect it's nothing more than part recognition, and then assembly using a laboriously pre-written program.
Still, it's an amazing advance - I mean, they'll be telling us that robots will be able to make cars next!
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Thursday 19th April 2018 15:54 GMT AndrueC
Re: Instructions
..not to mention trying to identify the pieces. Eventually deciding that a dot on one corner of a rectangle is just a blob of ink left over from the printing process. Of course you get to the end and realise that no, actually, one of the wooden pieces has a small screw starting hole in one corner. And, yes, there is a difference between the top of the cupboard and the bottom.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 17:12 GMT Mark 85
@JakeMS
We don't pull it apart and start over, real men force the missing part in place (I do anyway), if it goes in with force great, all that matters is that I got it in.
Also, real men unpack it, grab the instructions and toss them in the bin by saying "I don't need no stinking instructions." Later (maybe an hour or day) we dig them out of the trash. But hey, we have beer and get to play with tools and stuff.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 07:13 GMT Anonymous Coward
Not the real world
Having two robots assemble a chair in my house doesn't take into account the problem that there isn't enough space to swing a cat. What is needed with furniture assembly is the ability to limbo under and around things....and to find that screw that you dropped in shaggy carpet....only a small child can do this.
Design a robot that can do the things we can't, like predict the most important part will get lost and have a pocket with one of those in. Locating the allen key that you last used 3 years ago is also a key skill...only a wife can do this job.
...and who will stand back and admire the almost complete job and tell the robot "you've done really well". No one will invent a robot just to stand there and give compliments, it isn't cost efficient but is really necessary.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 08:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Not the real world
Real men have drill drivers with the correct hex fittings
I think there's only certain tools that qualify for "real man" status*. For starters the qualifying tool needs to come from a decent make - Makita, DeWalt, Metabo, Festool, Hitachi or similar. Then it needs to be a proper meaty device, such as a meaty 18V drill driver with a monster battery, any variant of circular saw, SDS drill, angle grinder, or anything powered by compressed air. For Ultimate Real Man status, only a gas powered cordless framing nail gun will do.
* In these enlightened times, I note that Real Man status will also be available to other genders & species.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 17:20 GMT Chris G
Re: Not the real world
Real men don't need torque settings , they know the difference between tight and too tight.
One of those crappy flat pack chairs is a 5 minute job for me or my wife, twenty minutes for that, shows a serious lack of Krypton factor.
As for the robots, they should be 'fully' programmed to assemble the furniture and then recycle it at the dump. Flat pack furniture should be regarded as 'something to do when it's raining', it's not actually intended to be used to sit/lay on or store stuff in it and it's not even good to burn, too many environmentally unfriendly chemicals bonding the sawdust together.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 11:19 GMT Hans 1
Re: Not the real world
From all the furniture I put together and a number I found, I have more allen keys than any other kind of tool, yes, even spanners ... ok, granted, I have more nails and screws than allen keys ... though so many allen keys, in fact, I am happy to give them away to get rid of some ... must have half a dozen in my tool box, PLUS a bag with another 20 or 30 ... granted, some I found in the places I moved in to ... in weird places like under the bathroom sink cupboard ... in the attic, garage etc ...
I never read the instructions, I just visualize what I need to build, look at the parts, and get the job done.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 14:08 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Not the real world
"and to find that screw that you dropped in shaggy carpet....only a small child can do this."
BAH! Anyone can easily find it with a small magnet. Drag it through the carpet and CLICK! Oh, there it is!
Assembly robots will only increase the utter helplessness of the modern man and woman. That's not a good thing. O Ye confused by IKEA, cry not for sympathy for thine absent skills! Get thee back and play with thine Legos until thou learnest how to follow directions.
Lack of "Guy skills" can hurt you. A guy blew a first date with a smokin' hot friend of mine - she had to call ME for tire-changing directions in the RAIN. I never met a woman who thought helpless was sexy.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 07:59 GMT Admiral Grace Hopper
Re: I have to say....
IKEA furniture is easy enough to assemble correctly, after all it is designed that way. The benighted contraption that my sister bought from Next and asked me to sort out after she took one look and ran away gibbering was another matter. That thing still haunts my nightmares.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 16:23 GMT Ben Tasker
Re: I have to say....
Yeah it tends to be the Ikea-wannabe's that I've had issues with.
But that's often not so much the assembly procedure as general product quality. Turning up with missing hinges, or the holes drilled in the wrong place (despite the marks in the correct place still being visible).
IKEA stuff I've never had any issue with
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Friday 20th April 2018 10:19 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Yes but
"Whos going to assemble and program the robot"
Uh, other robots?
The biggest loser in this scenario is CHINA. Unless, they're making the robots...
Here's a thought: build your factories in countries where LOTS of robotics-savvy people are, where shipping costs direct to customers is lower, and have the bots make EVERYTHING [not quite 'lights out' but close]. Unskilled labor basically disappears, everyone who works for you is a reasonably well paid technician or engineer, "levels" of middle management are no longer required, etc. and the cost of manufacturing is pretty much the same, anywhere in the world. "Offshoring" will "die on the vine".
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Thursday 19th April 2018 08:07 GMT steviebuk
Pleeeease, robots. Take this job away from us!
No thanks. I like building stuff so like building the IKEA furniture myself thanks. A bit of knolling helps. And if robots take that away as well, the guy in town that runs a business installing flat pack furniture for people and small business' would be out of work.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 08:23 GMT imanidiot
Why do people have so much problems with Ikea?
Step 1: Convince the girlfriend/wife/SWMBO* that going on a weekend is a bad idea and it's better to take an afternoon off when it's sunny out
Step 2: Convince the girlfriend/wife/SWMBO* that you got this and she doesn't need to come along.
Step 3: Use the website to locate all items and their locations at your Ikea location
Step 4: Go to the store
Step 5: STUDY THE MAP at the entrance. Locate where your items are and where the shortcuts are located, they're not all marked but they are all on the map. Plan a route
Step 6: Pick up your items
Step 7: Use the self checkout tills to minimize friendly chitchat and old folks trying to pay with haypennies
Step 8: Load up the car and go home
Step 9: Argue with the girlfriend/wife/SWMBO* over the stuff you "forgot" to add on the list and didn't bring
Step 10: Piss off girlfriend/wife/SWMBO* enough that she won't try to help assemble the stuff
Step 11: Assemble the stuff correctly, first time, without problem
Step 12: Show new furniture to girlfriend/wife/SWMBO* and make up for arguing.
*Strike through as appropriate.
Seriously, I've had more flat pack furniture gone wrong because people try to help but just don't bloody listen when you tell them stuff than because I got it wrong. (Let's not mention the one closet where I assembled the 2 sidewalls the wrong way round)
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Thursday 19th April 2018 09:21 GMT Korev
Idea Instructions
In case you haven't seen the wonderful Idea Instructions. It's Ikea-style graphics describing various algorithms.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 12:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Real men?
And I also defy you to come up with a better definition of true masculinity.
I accept the challenge, BILLY boy!
True masculinity: Living in a cave, unshaven, unwashed, catching your own food and eating it raw, before whiling away the evenings masturbating like a wild monkey, interacting with other humans only with a club?
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Thursday 19th April 2018 12:15 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Real men?
True masculinity: Living in a cave, unshaven, unwashed, catching your own food and eating it raw, before whiling away the evenings masturbating like a wild monkey, interacting with other humans only with a club?
Isn't that just a Geordie* on a weekend?
* Feel free to substitute for a person from another region.
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Thursday 19th April 2018 13:47 GMT Anonymous Coward
Building the furniture isn't the difficult part, navigating the store and not having an argument with your partner is. Surviving Ikea is a marker of a stable lasting relationship.
I should also add the people that haven't seen each other for years who decide to have a long conversation with trolleys in the middle of the walk way, people that let their kids run wild and the people that decide it's a jolly jape to do the whole Ikea experience backwards.
However the hot dog at the end makes up for it all.
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Friday 20th April 2018 06:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Oh Dog, I'm a robot
"machines learned to assemble IKEAs semi disposable furniture"
....so..... if you can assemble an IKEA product and in about 20 minutes then you must be a robot too.
I assembled an IKEA shelf product on Monday following the instructions in about 20 minutes.
I was so proud too,crikey.