back to article Size does matter, chaps: Oversized todgers an evolutionary handicap

A study published by Nature this month suggests less is more when it comes to male genitals and species survival. Sexual dimorphism – the differences between males and females – usually helps males attract mates. Peacocks are a good example of where a male expends a lot of energy producing plumage to catch the eye of a passing …

  1. Aaiieeee
    Mushroom

    Bigger may be better in the short term

    I suspect on the whole people are concerned about the future of the species only upto the point when they (or a generation or so of dependants) will no longer be a part of it. The state of humanity in 50,000 years time isnt that high up on my circle of concern.

    Therefore, school playground talk is still the way of it. Woe is me :(

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Bigger may be better in the short term

      Some think that people like that are dicks... At least you had the balls to say it

  2. Valerion

    I knew it!

    That's my best excuse yet to the ladies - I'm highly evolved!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I knew it!

      I knew it! I'm a survival expert!

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: I knew it!

        "I knew it! I'm a survival expert!"

        You are Bare Grylls and ICM£5

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  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Medium-sized todger guy here... it is good to know guys with big todgers are on their way out.

    Leaves more ladies for me and to admire my todger then.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge
      Trollface

      And in.

      And out.

      And in.

      ...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        ..this loop function only works half the time.

    2. Tigra 07
      Pint

      RE: AC

      Probably doesn't help that their humongous "anchor" drags downwards, making them slower to predators.

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: RE: AC

          couldn't run piss down hill, it didn't know which way to go and just pooled around him,

          needed an excuse, so blamed the Dr.

      2. W.S.Gosset

        Re: RE: AC

        I keep tripping over mine.

        Nightmare.

        I've been eaten by 3 lions this week already and it's not even Friday.

        God I hate Fridays.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Medium-sized todger guy here

      > it is good to know guys with big todgers are on their way [to passing] out.

      It's the lack of blood to the rest of the body that's the issue.

  4. Tigra 07
    Facepalm

    There's another downside that it's hard to get trousers to fit.

    Plus it's a bit risky to go to the park when there might be children there if it's obvious you have an extra leg...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      If your member is really that big then staying away from parks and schools is well advised, if you don't want to be accused of sexual misconduct that is.

      Regards,

      mumsnet

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
      Happy

      I don't find the trouser fitting an issue at all. I've simply had my left leg amputated. As long as I keep taking the Viagra, I can put a boot on the end and walk on it.

      If I run out, I end up walking in circles though...

      It's Buster Gonad I feel sorry for.

    3. Antron Argaiv Silver badge
      Coat

      However, thankfully they have started to mount at least one urinal lower, so those more "gifted" among us don't have to get the end wet.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Joke

        "However, thankfully they have started to mount at least one urinal lower, so those more "gifted" among us don't have to get the end wet."

        Those of us more evolutionarily advanced are hoping for urinals mounted a bit higher so it's not such a long shot to hit :-)

        1. AK565

          Well that explains why i always preferred old fashioned urinals sunken into the floor.

      2. W.S.Gosset

        Two [blokes] on a bridge, pissing off the side.

        After a bit:

        "Water's cold."

        "Yeah. And deep."

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cock size

    Apparently the human penis is much larger than would be expected from a comparison with other primates. There are at least three possible reasons for this: (1) it's functional (more effective impregnation); (2) it's for show, like a peacock's tail; or (3) it's a side-effect: the gene for penis size also determines something else of evolutionary importance, perhaps in women rather than men. I think reason 1 seems implausible owing to the lack of evidence for a functional advantage. The other two reasons both seem superficially plausible, to me at least.

    1. Christoph

      Re: Cock size

      "Apparently the human penis is much larger than would be expected from a comparison with other primates."

      Jack Cohen (the reproductive biologist) has commented that even if King Kong was built in proportion, there would still not have been a smile on Fay Wray's face.

      So if anyone is bragging that he's built like a gorilla, it's his poor girlfriend you should feel sorry for.

      1. Dr Dan Holdsworth
        Coat

        Re: Cock size

        Yes, the phrase "hung like a gorilla" is a complement in most countries, except for Central Africa and amongst zoo keepers, who all know that the fully erect member of an adult male gorilla is a whopping three centimetres in length.

        In other words, a male gorilla has the bare minimum of wedding tackle needed to get female gorillas pregnant. Gorillas also have, relative to their size and relative to other primates, absolutely tiny testicles.

        This leads us on to the human anatomy. We are physically much smaller than gorillas, but of all apes have far and away the largest penises. This is clearly adaptive, or we would not be so hugely endowed. Genitals change and evolve very quickly indeed according to selective pressures, so it may be reasonable to assume that H. sapiens is unusual not only amongst apes, but also amongst hominids as a group.

        Humans are the only remaining hominid, but are known to have regularly hybridised with other near-human species. Perhaps then this is the answer as to how we have survived and other species have fallen by the wayside: human males are simply unusually well-endowed as hominids go and thus out-compete the males of other species for females...

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
          Devil

          Re: Cock size

          Could it be that wearing glow-in-the-dark condoms and staging mock lightsabre fights somehow confers an evolutionary advantage?

        2. Richard Parkin

          “Humans are the only remaining hominid”

          “Humans are the only remaining hominid”. You mean hominin I think,

          1. Teiwaz

            Re: “Humans are the only remaining hominid”

            Ad hominem then>

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          @Dr Dan

          Just because homo sapiens have bigger penises than our evolutionary ancestors doesn't mean it is a survival trait. It might have been, but could have stopped being so somewhere along the way during the 10 million or so years since we branched off the last common ancestor with modern day primates.

          Before homo sapiens began wearing clothing, each man's penis size would have been known by everyone else in the group, so it would be possible for females to select upon - if indeed they had much say. It seems more likely to me that bringing home the bacon (or mastadon) or fending off the saber toothed tiger is what really made the cavewomen swoon.

          1. eldakka

            Re: @Dr Dan

            Just because homo sapiens have bigger penises than our evolutionary ancestors doesn't mean it is a survival trait. It might have been, but could have stopped being so somewhere along the way during the 10 million or so years since we branched off the last common ancestor with modern day primates.

            Before homo sapiens began wearing clothing, each man's penis size would have been known by everyone else in the group, so it would be possible for females to select upon - if indeed they had much say. It seems more likely to me that bringing home the bacon (or mastadon) or fending off the saber toothed tiger is what really made the cavewomen swoon.

            Just like with human male penis size compared to apes, the same situation occurs with respect to human female breast size being (typically) much larger than apes.

            The theory I have heard for this latter is that apart from humans, most mammals - even apes - still have a bent (as opposed to fully upright) posture if not entirely 4-legged. And in this physical situation, the most obvious sexually attractive feature are the buttocks.

            Therefore, as hominids developed an upright stance, the buttocks became less visible and the human female breast grew bigger to appear buttock-like. Breast cleavage and buttock cleavage look quite similar.

            Therefore, if the above theory holds any sort of water, the same could be true for males with respect to the penis. As you rightly pointed out, clothing and covering of the genital regions in hominids is a tiny, tiny part of our evolution history since becoming upright. Therefore as we developed a more upright stance, females visible sexual attributes moved from the buttocks to the breasts, and the male penis became more prominent, more visible, and perhaps likewise grew to become the primary visible sexual attribute.

            Of course, this could all just be shit.

          2. W.S.Gosset

            Re: @Dr Dan

            > Before homo sapiens began wearing clothing

            Worth pointing out that only a subset of homo sapiens wore clothes up until the last hundred years or so.

            For example, the bulk of indigenous Africans wore no clothes (just the traditional fat+soil (eg ochre)) until well after WWI. Likewise, the bulk of indigenous Australians wore no clothes (just the traditional charcoal+fat) until the late 1800s.

            What "we" (average typical on this wsite) regard as normal, both now and historical, is far from the global normal. Merely the most likely to write things down & then to retain same (and stay consistent).

        4. 's water music
          Coat

          Re: Cock size

          Genitals change and evolve very quickly indeed according to selective pressures

          stop, please

        5. DiViDeD
          Unhappy

          Re: Cock size

          "the fully erect member of an adult male gorilla is a whopping three centimetres in length"

          Lucky bugger!

        6. eldakka

          Re: Cock size

          > Yes, the phrase "hung like a gorilla" is a complement in most countries, except for Central Africa and amongst zoo keepers, who all know that the fully erect member of an adult male gorilla is a whopping three centimetres in length.

          I've never actually heard before the phrase "hung like a gorilla" before.

          I've always heard - and used - "hung like a horse", or "hung like a donkey".

          I have heard, and used, "built like a gorilla", in the context of physique - i.e. muscles, chest, physical strength. Never heard of it being used as an allegory for a person's penis size.

        7. Richard Pennington 1

          Re: Cock size

          Unintentionally appropriate Freudian comment from El Reg:

          "Click here to disable post shrinking".

          1. Unicornpiss
            Coat

            Re: Cock size

            "Click here to disable post shrinking".

            It always shrinks Post. If it shrinks Pre or During, that's when you have something to worry about..

        8. W.S.Gosset

          Re: Cock size

          Yeah, sexual selection is enormously faster than Darwin's "natural"/survival selection.

          Hominid females (by "species" ' definition, non-human females can not breed with humans) have chosen consistently for millennia where semi-autistic societies exist. Where more-Social societies exist (intra-species cultural signifiers deemed more important than physical reality/sensation), you'll note the sexual selection has NOT "grown" the male penis to the same extent over the same period of time.

      2. Teiwaz

        Re: Cock size

        So if anyone is bragging that he's built like a gorilla, it's his poor girlfriend you should feel sorry for.

        'Built like a Gorilla' made me smile - it's been a single entendre now since watching Gintama.

    2. Arthur the cat Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Cock size

      Apparently the human penis is much larger than would be expected from a comparison with other primates.

      I know a guy with a 12" penis, but he doesn't use it as a rule.

      See icon.

      1. quxinot

        Re: Cock size

        >I know a guy with a 12" penis, but he doesn't use it as a rule.<

        https://xkcd.com/532/

    3. Jason Bloomberg Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Cock size

      I always thought penis length was to help avoid us pissing on our toes - more of a problem in later life and when not filled with the local brewery's finest ale.

      Hence the correlation between feet and penis size.

      That could be intelligent design or evolution. After all, who wants to go out with a bloke whose toes smell of piss?

      1. adnim

        @Jason Re: Cock size

        Depends, how big are your toes?

    4. handleoclast

      Re: Cock size

      (2) it's for show, like a peacock's tail;

      Possibly related to sexual selection. Perhaps embodying a little of Zahavi's Handicap Principal. Especially as humans (but not other apes) lack an os penis (a penis bone, also known as a baculum*). According to Zahavi's hypothesis, humans have to advertise their health by maintaining an erection without the benefit of a structural member.

      Another hypothesis relates the size of the os penis to duration of intromission. For example, in chimps it is very small and their mating sessions typically last 7 seconds. So without a penis bone, human sex should last on the order of milliseconds. Hmmmmm. I'm sure I can do a little better than that.

      *BTW, there is a Linux backlup solution called "Bacula." Which might be (I know very little Latin) the plural of baculum. The name was probably intended to resemble Dracula, but maybe...

    5. Michael Thibault

      Re: Cock size

      "…at least three possible reasons for this: (1) it's functional (more effective impregnation); (2) it's for show, like a peacock's tail; or (3) it's a side-effect… I think reason 1 seems implausible owing to the lack of evidence for a functional advantage…"

      There is, perhaps, a distinct (4th) functional advantage you've not considered: a penis is a convenient -- you might say 'handy' -- bed-warmer, a radiator of heat. In certain states, certainly. Coupled with widely-observed diminished levels of lower-body blood circulation in women…

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I don't know whether to feel a little cocky about this.

    1. Inventor of the Marmite Laser Silver badge

      Willie Heckaslike

    2. Steve Evans

      If you're going to feel cocky, just don't do it in public, you'll get arrested.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm not having this, there is no way Audi and BMW drivers are highly evolved.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Err don't you think they are compensating for something?

    2. MJI Silver badge
      Devil

      But

      Gene Hunt has an Audi Quattro

      1. Roj Blake Silver badge

        Re: But

        Gene Hunt: “This is my city. And it will be a safe place for my wife and my mum to walk around in. Is that understood?”

        Detectives: “Yes, guv.”

        Gene Hunt: [Sternly] “Right. Find out who the dead woman was, find out who killed her. Do it now.”

        [He checks his watch]

        Gene Hunt: “Hold up, hold up. Do it tomorrow morning, first thing. [Brightly] Beer o’clock, gentlemen.”

      2. Unicornpiss
        Coat

        Re: But

        "Gene Hunt has an Audi Quattro"

        What about his brother Mike?

    3. LucreLout

      I'm not having this, there is no way Audi and BMW drivers are highly evolved.

      Anyone choosing a marque that displays 4 cock rings on their grille as a warning to other road users has clearly not thought through their choice of car.

      1. Antron Argaiv Silver badge

        I thought it was four interlocked assholes?

      2. quxinot

        >Anyone choosing a marque that displays 4 cock rings on their grille as a warning to other road users has clearly not thought through their choice of car.<

        Terrifyingly, my wife just bought an Audi.

        Oh dear.

        1. eldakka
          Coat

          > Terrifyingly, my wife just bought an Audi.

          Maybe she's trying to drop you a hint about something?

      3. AK565

        Despite owning several, I never made the connection between them and the Audi symbol. One wonders what the good folks at Audi were thinking at the time.

    4. Evil Auditor Silver badge

      there is no way Audi and BMW drivers are highly evolved

      That is what we - the ones neither driving Audis nor BMWs - would like to believe to bolster our sense of superiority. Be reminded though, that intelligence is not necessarily an evolutionary advantage. And neither is moronism necessarily a disadvantage for successful procreation. Very unfortunately.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        the ones neither driving Audis nor BMWs

        And like it or not, it is easier to get laid if you're driving an Audi or BMW than a Peugeot or a Ford. Allegedly.

        1. BinkyTheMagicPaperclip Silver badge

          That might be true, but I find the excitement makes me swerve off the road..

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          "And like it or not, it is easier to get laid if you're driving an Audi or BMW than a Peugeot or a Ford. Allegedly."

          In my experience getting an Alfa Romeo (especially the older ones, when they were more than rebadged Chrysler/FIATs) really increases the attention you get from people. Even more than the Porsche I had before.

          Bonus is they are a lot cheaper than an Audi or BMW, and scores lower on the cock-o-meter. There is the reliability reputation to consider, but in my experience the cars have been solid and reliable if well maintained.

          Of course, that just gets you noticed, your "foot in the door" so to speak. In my experience, actually getting laid requires a lot more work on your part than just the car. Unless you have a Lamborghini/Ferrari/$supercar, but then it is less about the car and more advertising that you are filthy rich to material girls, who don't mind trading what they have for your large, bulging... ahem... wallet.

          I will also point out that in France, the majority of cars are Peugeot's, and the French are not exactly known for having trouble getting laid.

        3. julian_n

          But doesn't this go back to the issue of the biggest pricks?

      2. LucreLout
        Boffin

        Be reminded though, that intelligence is not necessarily an evolutionary advantage.

        I'm not sure I agree with that.

        Even WWE size doeses of steroids can't make a man as strong as a bear.

        Training to run like Usain Bolt can't make a man as fast as a puma.

        We can't fly like an eagle, or swim like a fish. And radiation does to us greater damage than to a cockroach.

        What we have going for us, all that we have going for us, is opposable thumbs, and intelligence. In return, we are the dominant species on our planet.

        A cursory glance at the species we've made extinct would suggest that the award of opposable thumbs would not have saved them from us. Intelligence, at least to Wayne Rooney level matters.

        1. Teiwaz

          Evolution and creativity (not creationism)

          Be reminded though, that intelligence is not necessarily an evolutionary advantage.

          I'm not sure I agree with that.

          I think we've all come to the former conclusion based on the evidence and experience in the current age.

          The Intelligence to understand, adapt manipulate your environmentand would certainly be a better bet than finding the nearest antelope and trying to drive over it 15-20 thousand plus years ago.

        2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

          Re: "all that we have going for us, is opposable thumbs, and intelligence"

          Opposable thumbs ? Undoubtedly.

          Intelligence ? Allegedly.

          1. Whit.I.Are

            Re: "all that we have going for us, is opposable thumbs, and intelligence"

            It can't be a coincidence that the penis fits so conveniently in the palm of a hand with an opposable thumb.

            1. Allan George Dyer
              Facepalm

              Re: "all that we have going for us, is opposable thumbs, and intelligence"

              @Whit.I.Are - "It can't be a coincidence that the penis fits so conveniently in the palm of a hand with an opposable thumb."

              Damn, you've found a convincing argument for Intelligent Design!

        3. Charlie Clark Silver badge

          In return, we are the dominant species on our planet.

          Sort of depends how you define dominance. I thought there was research indicating that our gene pool isn't big enough for us to be around much longer. And that's assuming we have a planet that's still habitable for us.

      3. Teiwaz

        moronism

        Read that as Mormonism no change to comprehension.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well...

    It's sad to know I'll soon be extinct!

  9. Chris G

    I don't think I'm at risk in evolutionary terms but I'never had any complaints.

    Laughter,but no complaints.

  10. MJI Silver badge
    Megaphone

    I am disappointed

    Gene Hunt and not a single play on words

    "Fire up the Quattro"

    1. smudge

      Re: I am disappointed

      Gene Hunt and not a single play on words

      Much easier with his brother Mike.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: I am disappointed

        "Much easier with his brother Mike."

        or Member of Parliament Jeremy. NSFW?

  11. Blockchain commentard
    Facepalm

    As any girl will tell you, men think with their dick. I know I'm very brainy and that's why my trouser department is bigger than say, a bloke from marketing or sales !!!!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I just say feel free to blow my mind.

    2. KeyboardKitten

      Re: As any girl will tell you

      It's not the size of the Gentleman Sausage that matters, but if you can lick your own ears I want to have your babies.

      1. Teiwaz

        Re: As any girl will tell you

        Lick your own ears...

        If a bloke could lick his own ears, there are other parts he could like......not that anyone would know, they'd never leave the house....

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's not the size that matters.

    It's what you've got to bang it in with.

    This is why I eat nothing but Greggs and I am proud to be built like and shovel in food like a crack smoking diabetic silverback.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's not the size that matters.

      "This is why I eat nothing but Greggs [...]"

      Presumably there must come a point where a large stomach and large buttocks prevent any penetration at all. Especially if both partners have the same proportions.

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      2. Charlie Clark Silver badge

        Re: It's not the size that matters.

        Presumably there must come a point where a large stomach and large buttocks prevent any penetration at all.

        Not sure if buttocks are that important, but, yes, people can get too fat to fuck… which is curiously enough what some men known as "feeders" get off on. Channel 4 documentary on this particular codependency.

        However, I've also seen a woman saying that a man with a bit of a belly is more likely to stimulate the clitoris…

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's not the size that matters.

      This is why I eat nothing but Greggs

      Gregg's what?

      1. Teiwaz

        Re: It's not the size that matters.

        This is why I eat nothing but Greggs

        Gregg's what?

        And is Gregg okay with it, or is he chained up in the basement....?

        ....wait, are you German?

  13. earl grey
    Joke

    Ah, yer takin' the piss

    Reminds me of the old recording of two guys taking a leak

    and the one says: "why is yours so much louder than mine"

    and the other says: "I'm pissing on your briefcase"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ah, yer takin' the piss

      Two guys standing on a bridge pissing into the river below. One comments "this water's bloody cold", the other replies "yes, and deep too".

  14. tiggity Silver badge

    Energy

    In humans the brain takes the most energy (not the genitals) so if wasting energy was a bad evolutionary ploy then it would lead to us getting less clever.

    Looking at the house of commons I see signs of evolution in action

    1. Teiwaz

      Re: Energy

      Looking at the house of commons I see signs of evolution in action

      That's not evolution, that's conservation of energy.

  15. ashton

    Hm isn't this racist though ? :P

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Such gigantic genitals come at a high cost

    *Snigger*

  17. Rattus Rattus

    I've got an enormous cock

    He's damn loud when he squawks at daybreak.

  18. eldakka
    Coat

    > Speak for yourself.

    My, what a big...ego you have there.

  19. Noonoot

    small talk in the gents?

    Erm I came late to this article and I think I just walked in to the gents' toilets

  20. TrumpSlurp the Troll
    Trollface

    It is reassuring to know

    That being completely full of bollocks is contra survival.

    It's the extended timescale that is depressing.

    Way beyond the life of the current parliament, at least.

    Come to think of it the worst offenders at the moment are female, so how does that work?

    1. W.S.Gosset

      RE: Come to think of it the worst offenders at the moment are female, so how does that work?

      They have a lot more enormous penises than the average man does.

  21. Charlie Clark Silver badge

    This is news?

    I thought that the stag beetle was the example par excellence of trade off? You can either have big antlers to impress the ladies or a big cock to fertilise them, but never both.

    Mating in humans seems to be generally odd with secondary sexual organs playing an important role: I don't remember a woman ever being particularly excited by the rest size of a todger which varies as much with temperature as anything else. Penetration == domination is the peculiarly male fantasy.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "rest size"

      I agree, it would be unusual to be excited by the "rest size". I think the point is that sexual excitement and a sense of urgency are themselves exciting, and the size of a particular man's erection is positively correlated with his level of excitement, so a general association is created between "big erection" and "strong desire to copulate", so when a woman sees my huge erection she thinks I'm very pleased to see her. But seriously, I would guess that most women, or people who are attracted to men, would be more excited by a man with a small but very stiff and urgent erection than by one with a huge but rather languid semi-erection. But I might be wrong. Ask someone who is attracted to men.

      Men who are not attracted to men may also be sexually excited by an image of an erect penis for the simple reason that it makes them think of the erection they are most familiar with, their own. Size might matter more in this case: perhaps a man is less likely to be excited by an image of a penis that is clearly smaller than his own. I guess I can draw on my own experience here: in pornography I find a "small" penis (anything less than about 18 cm) somewhat disturbing.

      1. AK565

        Re: "rest size"

        Any gay man will tell you that rest and working sizes don't have much of a correlation. Youd be surprised (or maybe not) how often 8cm at rest becomes 15 at work while 10 at rest becomes 12 at work.

        Add in the already stated fact that resting size can vary widely minute to minute and youre left with the fact that resting size doesnt really tellnyou anything....

  22. DarkLordofSurrey

    Loving that the article writer is "Dick Speed"

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So if I had a large hereditary device I wouldn't be commenting here today

    " " hmmm.

  24. TRT Silver badge

    "If you spend that energy growing your genitals to make lots of sperm, that's energy you can't keep in reserve to survive if there's a food shortage or something like that."

    Unless you eat spunk, of course.

  25. mbee

    The human race has been around at most slightly over 100,000 years in its present type. Since an individual human male lives at most about 100 years, having a lot of females is pretty good for the male as James Bond movies show. The human race in its present type is unlikely to last another 100,000 years so banging the ladies a lot more both fun and is not going to make much difference to the race. All those banging males will go out with a smile. What the ladies say about it is of no consequence as they do not count as the banging males will run at the first hint of I am pregnant. ..

  26. julian_n

    Size does matter.

    Without it wallpaper does not stick.

  27. Muscleguy

    Species Envy

    Well at least the Ostracods get sex, some of the rotifers haven't had sex in tens of millions of years. They are all clones.

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