Would appear that Madsen is a lying sack of shit.
Danish Navy expert finds no trace of exhaust gas in private submarine
A senior Royal Danish Navy officer has disputed Peter Madsen's claim that Swedish journalist Kim Wall's death was caused by exhaust fumes aboard his crowdfunded submarine. The Danish Broadcasting Corporation (DR) reports that, following a study of the submarine, Lieutenant Commander Ditte Dyreborg found no carbon dioxide, …
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Thursday 5th April 2018 00:30 GMT bombastic bob
"Would appear that Madsen is a lying sack of shit."
never underestimate the ability of a sharky l[aw]yer to turn what should be an obvious conviction [given the evidence I've read about] into an emotion-based acquittal and/or an endless series of mis-trials.
[if he sells the sub, maybe he can afford the attornies? but then again, getting the money via kickstarter or gofundme or whatever it was might mean he doesn't really OWN the thing...]
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Thursday 5th April 2018 08:44 GMT S4qFBxkFFg
"Realistically, who would want to buy a murder scene?"
Plenty of murders take place in homes; most of them aren't demolished.
If you're satisified with the cleaners' performance, it could be a good deal.
edit: It's irrelevant anyway - in line with the victim's family's wishes the submarine is going to be destroyed once they're finished with it as evidence. (This seemed odd, legally, to me, but there we are.)
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Thursday 5th April 2018 08:45 GMT Aladdin Sane
Re: Realistically, who would want to buy a murder scene?
You've met people right?
Courtroom for Ted Bundy's trial is packed with women, trying to meet him and give him love letters and wedding-fucking-proposals...and the first thought that enters my mind is, "And I'm not getting laid." What am I doing wrong?
- Bill Hicks
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 18:44 GMT jonfr
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
It is 16 years in the jail or an infinite detention a maximum security mental institution if the crime is really bad. I guess this goes into the second category. But its up to the judges. It has already been established that Peter Madsen is a sick man and a murder.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 19:40 GMT Stork
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
To "qualify" for detention he has do be declared insane by shrinks - and apparently it is not as easy as most of us lay persons would expect.
I think he is likely to receive a life sentence which as jonfr writes typically means 16 years. There are a few exceptions, the best know is this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palle_Sørensen
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Thursday 5th April 2018 05:54 GMT Dodgy Geezer
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
...and apparently it is not as easy as most of us lay persons would expect...
Listen well, Blackadder.
I won't repeat this.
Put your underpants on your head and stick two pencils up your nose.
They'll think you're crazy and send you home.
Right.
Favour returned.
Blackadder goes forth - Series 4 Episode 6
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Thursday 5th April 2018 08:30 GMT Korev
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
For those who don't know what we're on about... (SFW).
And yes that's "Mr Bean"
And yes that's "Dr House"
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Thursday 5th April 2018 08:42 GMT S4qFBxkFFg
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
"To "qualify" for detention he has do be declared insane by shrinks - and apparently it is not as easy as most of us lay persons would expect."
Plus, if I'm understanding things correctly, the "insanity" route can result in a longer detention - so they will be checking whether he's faking, but it'll be the other way round.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 12:51 GMT imanidiot
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
Afaik that is also how it works in Denmark and most other countries. A jail sentence can see you released early with parole and a bonus for "good behaviour". If you go the insanity route your conviction only has a MINIMUM term, and you could be locked away for the rest of your life at the discretion of the doctors treating you. The insanity plea basically is only a good idea if you are indeed so insane you need to be committed because its unsafe to put you in a normal jail. If treatment and coaching will improve your mental health enough to at some point allow you back into society you might get out, but it is in no way guaranteed.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 18:37 GMT John Brown (no body)
Re: Has he ever come up with a story ...
Ernest Walter Saunders...He was sentenced to five years' imprisonment, but released after 10 months as he was believed to be suffering from Alzheimer's disease, which is incurable. He subsequently made a full recovery.
Not an insanity plea, but still...very creative.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 10:51 GMT DocJames
Qualifying for detention on mental health grounds
So in medical school when doing my psychiatry attachment I asked the forensic psychiatrist (psychiatrist who deals with criminals/courts etc) if people ever really tried to get off jail on grounds of insanity.
He laughed, and said that only stupid people with no prior criminal experience/jail time tried this, as they were the only ones who didn't realise that it would be much worse in a secure hospital. You wouldn't get time off for good behaviour. If you magically became sane questions would be asked and you'd be back to court. And they were of course easy to spot, by dint of being stupid.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 15:25 GMT tiggity
When you are in a hole
Best stop digging.
If (trying to obey all due legal niceties) it turns out he is lying then does anyone know imuch about Scandi legal system and whether judge (or equivalent) would take a dim view of taht and have ability / inclination to increase the sentence duration / severity?
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 19:34 GMT Voland's right hand
Common issue with pathological liars is that they continue to pile lies on top of lies on top of lies. 300£ million for NHS, Eu invaded by Turks, Novichok definitely produced by Russian state(*) and ordered by Vladimir Vladimirovich himself, you name it.
It is usually followed by attempts to "edit" evidence. That usually fails - the liars fail to remove all of it. So the first proper forensic scientist/engineering expert to look of it rips it to shreds. Just like in this case.
By the way, any likeness with current events is supposedly just a coincidence.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 18:40 GMT John Brown (no body)
"I'm sure their is a plausible explanation for her dying of fumes then decapitating herself on the hatch and ending up in the harbour. Personally I just can't envisage the scenario that leads to this though I'm going to go out on a limb and say he will be found guilty."
If you add in a whale and a bowl of petunias, it suddenly becomes quite plausible.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 16:26 GMT Stevie
Bah!
Okay, given that any number of accidents could have happened and probably will be described as having happened to his unfortunate woman before the gavel falls for the last time, I'm still confused as to the rational for the dismembering of the corpse in the aftermath.
The only one I can come up with is the danger of the corpse rising as a vengeful revenant.
Although anyone who had seen the documentary Below would think twice about continuing to drive a scene-of-death submarine around even after the possibility of walking undead had been eliminated.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 16:54 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Bah!
> I'm still confused as to the rational for the dismembering of the corpse in the aftermath.
Try and hide how depraved he really is? Agree though would make more sense if he was potentially facing a death penalty and didn't want to makes himself more eligible but regardless of what he says if he is ever a free man again then Denmark is embarrassing itself.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 20:28 GMT Flocke Kroes
Re: Why dismember the corpse ...
Have you tried climbing a ladder and getting through a narrow hatch at the top while carrying a whole corpse? It is not as easy as it sounds. I recommend looping rope under the arms, climbing up and pulling the corpse up after you but if you forgot to pack rope and all you brought was a bow saw, you just have to make do.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 18:33 GMT EveryTime
I appreciate the thoroughness of the investigation. I'm not sure if I believe that they can definitively say that there was not some exhaust gas in the sub, but it's enough to cast doubt on story iteration #17.
Of course forgetting to mention the hacksaw action when questioned the first dozen times leaves you on your back foot for convincing people that it was just a regrettable accident.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 22:42 GMT The Nazz
At the risk of sounding extremely harsh ..
and i'd say this even if it were my own daughter.
The poor woman is dead, dismembered, the guy is so obviously guilty (and unhinged) so why all the thorough investigations and numerous days in court? Yes, they can discount his several ludicrous tales of how it happened but they may never quite determine precisely what did happen and will still end with the same conclusion. He's guilty.
Move on and put valuable and scarce resources to a better purpose?
Not unlike a singular missing person enquiry here in the UK.
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Wednesday 4th April 2018 23:13 GMT JohnFen
Re: At the risk of sounding extremely harsh ..
"why all the thorough investigations and numerous days in court?"
That the guy is guilty seems inarguable. However, I don't think any court should judge guilt or innocence the same way that you and I do -- with a casual examination of how it seems. Justice is only served through a thorough and impartial investigation. We outsiders have the luxury of taking appearance at face value, but if it's to live up to the ideal of "justice", then no justice system has the same luxury.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 02:19 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: At the risk of sounding extremely harsh ..
TN asked, "...why all the thorough investigations and numerous days in court?"
It's not *that* expensive. The investigator spent maybe a day or two testing the air, a day or two writing a report, and a day or two in court. That's probably less than $10k.
Well worthwhile. Even with all the other expenses.
Heck, at my company we might spend weeks investigating to find a replacement battery (for a complex avionics system). $40k studies are common.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 06:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Next question from the prosecution...
He was trying to remove the poisoning from her body and he believed the submarine was evil. The reason she showed no signs of the extreme temperature was due to her eating ice cream just before the accident and the reason for no trace of the CO2 in the submarine was because he had a lot of potted plants aboard which absorbed it.
Remember, innocent till proven guilty.
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Thursday 5th April 2018 12:12 GMT Cuddles
Seems unlikely
"found no carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide or nitrogen oxide in the air"
No carbon dioxide in the air? That's simply not true. I can't read Danish to see what the original report says, but I assume it is supposed to say something along the lines of there not being elevated levels compared to normal atmosphere, and has been mangled by a journalist at some point.
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Friday 6th April 2018 09:43 GMT Sweep
Re: Seems unlikely
I speak Norwegian, not Danish, but they're similar enough.
From the original language article:
""Der var intet CO, CO2 eller NOX i luften, hvilket der ville have været, hvis den havde kørt med udstødningsgasser", siger Ditte Dyreborg." = "there was no CO, CO2 or NOX in the air, which there would have been if it had been run with exhaust gases, says Ditte Dyreborg".
She does appear to say that there is no (intet literally means nothing/ zero) CO etc in the air but she does presumably mean that there weren't the levels expected if the story hadn't been bollox.
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