back to article Red Hat opens its ARMs to Enterprise Linux... er, wait, perhaps it's the other way round

Red Hat Enterprise Linux for ARM reached general availability Monday, underscoring the growing competition confronted by Intel's x86-64 platform in the data center. The corporate Linux vendor first presented a preview of Linux for ARM in 2015, although the software has been in the works for a number of years. Since that …

  1. hplasm
    Meh

    Meh.

    ARM has had Linux support for ages.

    SystemD must have taken ages to port.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Meh.

      Debian based linux has had Systemd on ARM since Jessie.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Meh.

        How sad. Can no one rid us of this damn systemd?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Before Official RHEL...

      ... there was RedSleeve EL6 and EL7 on ARMv5 and CentOS 7 on ARMv7 and ARMv8.

      RedHat are late to their own party.

    3. John Sanders
      Mushroom

      Re: Meh.

      The problem is not supporting ARM per se but device enumeration and other "nice standards" that in the ARM world are solved by vendor producing binary blobs that only work with one kernel version and tables of magic numbers to make the hardware work.

      The problem with the ARM SOC industry has always been their attitude of "use and throw".

      I do not see that changing now.

      1. Bronek Kozicki

        Re: Meh.

        I thought there was some drive for standardization for this (device enumeration, firmware interface etc) in ARM. Also it would look differently for SoC and for server oriented architecture. Curious if anything became of it.

    4. /dev/null

      Re: Meh.

      This isn't just "ARM". In order to compete with Wintel in the server space, ARM have now defined (and are in fact still working on) various specs (SBSA, SBBR), which describe a common 64-bit ARM server system architecture in (hopefully) enough detail that OSs such as RHELSA will Just Work on a variety of different hardware vendors' offerings.

      Unfortunately, this means the dreaded ACPI has now spread to ARM systems, but if that's what it takes, then...

  2. Herby

    What is really needed...

    Is some vendor to make nice form factor compatible motherboards with ARM CPU chips. Throw in a couple of PCI (or whatever buss is popular) slots and there you have it.

    Given this, just plunk down a Linux distro and you are in business.

    Works for me. Arm & Linux, a nice alternative to "wintel".

    1. ExampleOne

      Re: What is really needed...

      But will it play Crysis?

      1. Chemical Bob
        Linux

        Re: But will it play Crysis?

        Who cares. I want to know if it will play SuperTuxKart!

    2. Nick Kew

      Re: What is really needed...

      ISTR having been looking for something like that for about 20 years.

      Real prize would be to get it in a laptop. Proper laptop, not some horrible keyboard-less device.

      1. david bates

        Re: What is really needed...

        But you KNOW the vendors would make a hash of it.

        My netbook came with an abomination of Linux that had to be nuked before it became anything like usable.

        My Acer nettop came with Linux, but sadly they had not been able to stretch to a wireless driver for the wireless hardware it actually contained, and was advertised on the box.

        Sometimes I think they set themselves up to fail so they can say "Well, we tried and noone liked it" so they can go back to the easy Wintel formula.

    3. Gordan

      Re: What is really needed...

      @Herby, Nick Kew:

      Such things already exist:

      micro ATX, 8 DIMM sockets for 128GB of ECC RDIMMs, 4x SATA, 2x PCIe x16

      http://b2b.gigabyte.com/Server-Motherboard/MP30-AR1-rev-11

      Samsung Chromebook 2 is superbly well made, especially the 13" 1080p variant, with an 8-core CPU and 4GB of RAM, and quite cheap especially for the build quality (far, far better than the flimsy Samsung Chromebook 1 of 5 years ago)

      https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/computing/chrome-devices/chromebook-2/chromebook-2-13-3-xe503c32-k01us/

      Both have been around for at least 2 years.

      1. jms222

        Gigabyte board

        Good writeup of trying to use the Gigabyte board here.

        http://chezphil.org/rwanda/index.html

        "It reflects badly on the ARM ecosystem that this is the best that we have."

  3. steelpillow Silver badge
    Headmaster

    History

    Anybody else remember the StrongARM chip, which incorporated Intel proprietary memory cacheing technology? ISTR DEC made it and Acorn bought them back for its later RiscPCs. Then Intel embraced, extended as XScale and exting... sold off.

    Meanwhile ARMLinux was also migrating to StrongARM and ARM was moving on anyway.

    The problem system designers face is that ARM is not a hardware product line, it is a box of bits that chip designers dip into and play with, so few ARM chips were compatible at the OS level. For many years, ARMLinux became a fragmented pile of incompatible bad smells.

    The success of Android forced a massive push to clean it up and standardise chip architectures, never mind incorporate the garage-hack ARM-but-not-X86 OS options into the main kernel tree. That is at last beginning to pay off across the board.

    Let's hope the wait was worth it.

    1. druck Silver badge

      Re: History

      The StrongARM was made by DEC and included DEC caching technology from the Alpha.

  4. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

    ObGrammarPedant

    ARM-based server shined

    The word you are looking for is "shone".

    1. James Wimberley

      Re: ObGrammarPedant

      Isaiah 9:2. KJV: "The people that walked in darkness have seen a great light: they that dwell in the land of the shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined."

      "Shone" won out for some reason, but I wouldn't pick grammar fights with the Lord of Hosts if I were you.

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