back to article Uncle Sam outlines evidence against British security whiz Hutchins

Court documents filed Wednesday in the trial of British security expert and accused malware writer Marcus Hutchins have outlined the very limited evidence the US government is willing to throw at the case. Hutchins came into the limelight after crippling the WannaCry ransomware attack earlier this year. He came over to the US …

  1. Blotto Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Open and shut case.

    Obviously guilty

    of something, maybe this, maybe that, but something.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Open and shut case.

      Not sure if irony or sarcasm. Because my stupidity detector is reading "not possible, must be wrong universe".

  2. jbmoore

    Something's up

    His legal firm refunded my donation to his legal defense fund today with no explanation. Have the Feds dropped the charges?

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Something's up

      The crowdfunding thing was cancelled when it was swamped by fake credit cards. Another one is coming next week, we're told by his legal team.

      C.

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      2. Tigra 07

        Re: Something's up

        I wouldn't be surprised if that was the work of the FBI too

        1. Mark 65

          Re: Something's up

          I wouldn't be surprised if that was the work of the FBI too

          Don't be silly, they'd pay in BitCoin.

      3. Hollerithevo

        Re: Something's up

        Please let us have the link when they have legit crowdfunding set up again.

  3. RichardB

    Does he sound like a baddie?

    What's his accent like?

    Seems the merkins believe that anyone with certain british accents and a bit of independent thought must be an evil villain...

    1. Frumious Bandersnatch

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

      Like Alan Rickman, maybe?

      1. I Like Heckling Silver badge

        Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

        Alan Rickman isn't dead, it's a cover up... he's in guantanamo being tortured for his part in the Nakatomi Plaza attacks of 88. :)

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

          He also masterminded the Bowling Green massacre.

          [tin foil hats on]

        2. Solarflare

          Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

          Alan Rickman isn't dead, it's a cover up... he's in guantanamo being tortured for his part in the Nakatomi Plaza attacks of 88. :)

          Every Christmas he is forced to say "Ho. Ho. Ho."

          1. davidp231

            Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

            Either that, or he's trapped at Milliways waiting for the next million years or so for his companions to arrive.

    2. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

      I'm going to embrace my Merionethshire accent next time I visit the US.

      1. VinceH

        Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

        "I'm going to embrace my Merionethshire accent next time I visit the US."

        The biggest problem with that isn't your accent - it's that you have the US as a possibility in future plans.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

        Why would you visit the USA? Do you enjoy playing Russian Roulette? (Maybe we should start calling it "American Roulette").

        1. Scroticus Canis
          Trollface

          Re: "American Roulette"

          Russian Roulette is played using a revolver, American Roulette is played with a Colt 45 ACP, every try is a winner! (of the Darwin Award)

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

      Does he sound like a baddie?

      What's his accent like?

      Reminds me of the classic Jag advert

      https://youtu.be/e7gR7EYjcP8

    4. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

      Here be an observation allegedly noted by Stephen Fry ..... ​"A cut glass English accent can fool unsuspecting Americans into detecting a brilliance that isn't there."

      I can't see it being of any great help to the defence team though, no matter how true it might be, or not.

    5. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie? / merkins

      "Seems the merkins believe that anyone with certain british accents and a bit of independent thought must be an evil villain..."

      I'm not sure we both mean the same thing when we say merkin.

      1. Teiwaz

        Re: Does he sound like a baddie? / merkins

        I'm not sure we both mean the same thing when we say merkin.

        We'll know the officers are up to no good if (in the transcripts of his 34 hour 'interview') they offer him a figgin.

        It's frightening enough what they do to doughnuts over there.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

      actually, those of us in the US think everyone with a Brit accent here is doing a comedy skit, until we realize nothing funny was said. I mean, our most exposure to the accent is BBC comedy shows. Evil villain no, Austin Powers or Monty Python, yeah...

      1. GrapeBunch

        Re: Does he sound like a baddie?

        Evil villain no, Austin Powers or Monty Python, yeah...

        CANADA would like to apologize to any British person who believes that Austin Powers's accent is intended to be a British accent. Our agent was instructed to make it sound like a Canadian in the television rec room annoying his friends and family with a bit of OTT.

        If any American person thinks that Austin Powers's accent is intended to be a British accent, well, that's the point, innit?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It seems odd

    That their only evidence seems to be based upon statements extracted without representation and a chat log from someone who clearly had an axe to grind. Except for the chat log the rest was obtained after arrest under questionable conditions.

    Is is possible that the Wannacry writer and the unknown chat donator are the same person who may or may not be on uncle Sam's payroll.

    Do they FBI do any "I" at all now or is everything they do now based upon "anonymous" tip offs and using bullying tactics to extract confessions.

    1. Nick Kew
      Black Helicopters

      citation needed

      Erm ... where's the source for the chat logs being from someone? I read this story as referring to chat that had been public, and either archived somewhere public or eavesdropped. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

      Yes, the chat log appears to be the only evidence to pre-date his arrest, so one might expect it contains real substance! I expect El Reg will keep us up-to-date with what incriminating evidence emerges. And whether it's Hutchins or just the Spooks that it incriminates.

    2. Aodhhan

      Re: It seems odd

      If he provided statements without counsel it's because he agreed to do so after his Miranda Rights were provided to him. He has the power at any time to end questioning/interview.

      You making the statement over and over and screaming how he answered questions without representation is a lot like saying a bank robber didn't have representation when he went into the bank and committed a crime; so there is no way he is guilty. Yeeesh.

      This method of questioning is allowed in most western countries (without representation) with answers/statements to be used as evidence in court.

      Instead of degrading the justice system, you might want to at least know the basic 101 facts.

      It's seems you didn't read the court documents displaying evidence provided so far during the discovery process, because there is A LOT more evidence than just interview answers. Such as business statements, and evidence from a 3rd party arrest. Not to mention there is still more to come from multiple sources.

      Given the evidence provided so far, it's likely the prosecutor asked him a lot of questions he already knew the truthful answers to. If Hutchins lied on a lot of these questions it obviously will not be favorable for him.

      Because the arrest warrant was issued after a grand jury investigation and not just a normal police investigation... along with the fact there are multiple sources pointing to the defendant in this case... you may want to rethink your off the cuff, uneducated and ignorant arguments and thoughts.

      You may also want to take note, the British Foreign Secretary isn't making any outcry about this situation. This in no way proves Hutchins is guilty at this point, but his innocence isn't a sure thing either.

      1. Domquark

        Re: It seems odd

        While normally I would agree with you regarding Miranda Rights, you forget that he is not a US Citizen. Miranda Rights do not apply. They could have questioned him for 6 months him if they had wanted to.

      2. Kiwi
        Flame

        Re: It seems odd

        If he provided statements without counsel it's because he agreed to do so after his Miranda Rights were provided to him. He has the power at any time to end questioning/interview.

        You've never been through a police/fbi interview have you? For a start, they will do everything they can to not have you get a lawyer, from outright lies about what your rights are, to charging you under terrorism or other acts (no rights to counsel in a lot of this stuff), to use of psychology (yes, strangely some cops are capable of such levels of intelligence!). I've read transcripts of interviews where a young family member kept asking for his mother or a lawyer or someone to be present, and the pigs kept questioning him and telling him that he would not be allowed to see them till he told them the truth1. Now admittedly this case is in the US and the accused is not quite so young, but they use whatever tricks they can and a person who still lives at home with his parents, spending time abroad for whatever, could have all sorts of insecurities those scum will play on.

        And as Domquark said, they may not apply since he's foreign.

        Given the evidence provided so far, it's likely the prosecutor asked him a lot of questions he already knew the truthful answers to. If Hutchins lied on a lot of these questions it obviously will not be favorable for him.

        No. They claim to know, they badger people with "we know what really happened so you just need to confirm it". But in many cases stuff is made up. It's something you have to actually experience first-hand, or see someone you love go through it, to understand just how nasty these scum are and the sort of stuff they do. Very seldom do they have any real clue about what has happened, though they can sometimes employ logic about an event. Of course they have to have the right person as well, often they have someone who loosely fits the description (wrong height, weight, age, skin colour, sex, hair style, hair colour - but they're human and breathing so it's close enough).

        I've even seen the pigs produce what they call "statements of facts" in court that can be very easily proven to contain a lot of false material (eg "the accused was driving his blue Toyota Camino"2 when they have a green Mondeo and don't know anyone who has a blue car), but the courts don't seem to care that if you can prove even 10% of it to be wrong with independent 3rd party stuff (eg traffic camera footage, or bus timetables ("He was on the #15 from Taranaki St to Port Rd at 12:15am" when a) there is no bus at that time, b) no bus on that route and c) no #15 bus anyway) then it's clear the rest should be in doubt, especially the stuff that can't be proven externally.

        I used to believe that in NZ probably at most 1 in 1,000 accused were innocent, maybe a few more were "guilty but not necessarily fully as charged". Today, after it happened in my own family, I would suggest it may be as much as 20% not guilty and as much as 50% are over charged. I am not alone in this belief in NZ, anyone who has had it happen to a family member they know is innocent (eg was a kid at home, sick and in pyjamas in the lounge under blankets in front of family when they were supposedly out joyriding in stolen cars) knows just how much the scumbag pigs will lie to get a conviction. They're not interested in solving crimes, they're not interested even remotely in justice, they're only after convictions. That's what pays their wages, and if they can badger some poor teenager into confessing to something they didn't do, then they don't have to get off their arses and do real work.

        1 Many such cases in NZ despite it being an illegal practice. When the family cannot afford a good lawyer, they can't easily get anything done about it. The police are happy to present the kid confessing to the courts, but will not present the "totally irrelevant" rest of the transcript and can make it difficult for the family/lawyers to get hold of the entire item. Sometimes they'll redact large parts under either our privacy act or another act that lets them do to "to aid in the discovery of crimes" or "to prevent covering up/hiding of crimes" (ie "we're claiming that something he said here might tip the family off to cover up other stuff by other people, so you cannot see it ever". If it can be proved that the kid was there without representation then the case may be thrown out of court, but "the honest cops would never ever consider that and the nasty parents of the even nastier little criminal are just making up stories to keep their kid out of jail where he rightfully belongs".

        2 Yes, non-existant vehicle brands - they just plan to sound good, they don't have to have it match reality or even possibility.

        TL:DR; Cops lie, don't trust their evidence, ever.

  5. FozzyBear
    Holmes

    When part of your evidence is based on audio recordings from court or an interrogation that basically ignored his fundamental rights, you know the case is weak.

    Added to that transcripts of online chats, weak again. Unless they can prove chain of evidence with metadata, logins and timings, it wont take much for the defence to have that thrown out either.

    Overall if this was in good ol' OZ you'd expect an absolute grilling from the magistrate for such as sloppy investigation even the possibility of costs being awarded back. But considering it's the US. convicted and 25+ years seems quite likely

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      But considering it's the US. convicted and 25+ years seems quite likely

      Nope, he'll be offered a "deal" to work for the government and create spyware for them. It's the only thing that would make this thing add up. They're frontloading charges so they can squeeze him for a "deal" - I hope he has a good defence fund because this case seems weak enough for them to try every bullying tactic known to man.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        > Nope, he'll be offered a "deal" to work for the government and create spyware for them. It's the only thing that would make this thing add up.

        Those unexplained lenient bail terms he's on indicate the deals' already done.

    2. Cuddles

      "an interrogation that basically ignored his fundamental rights"

      The trouble with fundamental rights in the USA is that if you're not from the USA, you don't have them. There are a few parts of the constitution that have been successfully argued to apply to everyone in the country (hence places like Guantanamo, which aren't in the country), but most of the protections only apply to US citizens. So while such treatment may breach what you think his rights should be or the rights an American would have in the same situation, it's entirely possible that it was all entirely legal and will easily hold up in court. It's not a sloppy investigation, they just know exactly what they're able to get away with while obeying the letter of the law.

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      2. Aodhhan

        The Constitution of the US and each individual state applies to anyone who is in the United States (and respective state), not just citizens. Even those in the US illegally are afforded the same constitutional rights and due process.

        At any time Hutchins could have ended questioning.

        Given the evidence provided so far, it's likely he was originally held because there was evidence provided from multiple sources which provides contrary information to the answers Hutchins provided. Lying during questioning isn't a good thing.

        I'm also betting, that even in the country you live in, statements made without an attorney present can be used as evidence in court.

        I love the ignorance about Guantanamo. First of all, Guantanamo is legally a sovereign part of Cuba. The USA is leasing the land there. Also, you would be quite wrong if you think the respective intelligence agency of most NATO countries don't have a location outside their own country to detain/question [whatever] foreigners/terrorists. You think all the individuals being held on terror plots which have halted before the act by MI5 within the UK are sitting in British jails? LOL

        1. Frumious Bandersnatch

          The Constitution of the US and each individual state applies to anyone who is in the United States (and respective state), not just citizens.

          http://www.mirandawarning.org/mirandarightsandnonuscitizens.html

          The page above seems to agree with you.

        2. Kiwi

          Lying during questioning isn't a good thing.

          If only that were true. For BOTH sides.

      3. rbf

        US Constitution applies to all within the country

        One lawfully admitted of course, as he was.

        Once detained, the mantra is "I need a lawyer"

  6. wsm

    It's a plot

    The authorities obviously don't understand any of this cyber security business and are going to hold Hutchins until he explains it to them.

    Anyone who knows more than the average plod is suspicious. But they can always arrest the better fellow and force him to explain how things work until they can find the truly guilty.

    It's a type of forced labor.

    1. Nick Kew
      Joke

      Re: It's a plot

      Aha! So this story is really just our own government doing the same thing more humanely?

    2. Gotno iShit Wantno iShit
      Black Helicopters

      Re: It's a plot

      Anyone who knows more than the average plod is suspicious.

      In that case I expect my cat to be arrested any day now. And possibly the pot plant in the lounge too.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: It's a plot

        "And possibly the pot plant in the lounge too."

        Just for personal use then?

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It's a plot

      @wsm; "The authorities obviously don't understand any of this cyber security business"

      In this case, I'm inclined to go with Upton Sinclair:-

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Evidence is so last century

    When in court, the prosecution will make him wear a striped shirt and face mask with a sign hung around his chest that says; "Baddie".

    1. Nick Kew
      Coat

      Re: Evidence is so last century

      Are you, or have you ever been, a security researcher?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Evidence is so last century

        No.

        A true security research professional would also prescribe he carry a giant bag marked: SWAG!

      2. Ivan Headache

        Re: Evidence is so last century

        What? With these feet!

  8. R3sistance

    Pride cometh....

    At this point the FBI must know that their case is literally hanging on a piece of evidence suspended only by a wet piece of toilet paper. The only reason they aren't releasing the guy now is little more than pride, they don't wanna admit they got it so terribly wrong after the case has attracted attention but failing to admit their mistakes just makes it ever so more clear that they really do not know what they are doing.

    Also I do not understand why he is being prosecuted in the US to begin with, if he really committed these crimes, it would stand to reason that he would have performed them while still in the UK and thus should be prosecuted in the UK, this seems like a horrendous abuse of power on all levels and one of the reasons why to this day, I have zero interest in ever visiting the US of A.

    1. sal II

      Re: Pride cometh....

      Haven't you heard about the "special" UK-US relations?

    2. Aodhhan

      Re: Pride cometh....

      I'm willing to bet your country prosecutes the same way the USA does.

      If a crime is committed by a gang in the UK, but the master mind and recruiter of the crime never left his home country of BangGangAstan... you think this master mind can't be extradited to the UK to charged and tried?

      I already know the answer to this... YES HE CAN. Same answer for nearly all western countries.

      You can still violate the laws of another country if the victim is in another country. You can also be tried on similar charges in the country you are physically located for the same crime without being protected by double-jeopardy laws.

      This is seen a lot involving the crimes with the black market, drugs, etc. ...and more so now with computer crimes.

  9. sitta_europea Silver badge

    Y'know, I think I'll wait until I can read the transcripts.

  10. Chris G

    Jus' thinkin'

    Maybe they're pissed off because he broke one of their toys.

    Currently it looks as though a good percentage of serious malware out in the wild, originates from so called friendly agencies.

    1. Aodhhan

      Re: Jus' thinkin'

      I'm willing to bet you'd be pissed if someone broke into your house and damaged a lot of your things. I'll even go out on the limb here, and think you'd want this person thrown in jail. Maybe have 10 minutes alone with him in a room to show his nose the bottom of your shoe with a bit of force?

      Even the fact there are many criminals out there, all using tools and knowledge gained from other people. You may even want to go after those who knowingly purchased the goods stolen from your house.

      Just a guess tho.

      1. Kiwi
        Angel

        Re: Jus' thinkin'

        I'm willing to bet you'd be pissed if someone broke into your house and damaged a lot of your things.

        He didn't "break into their house". A more appropriate analogy would be a friend asked you to look at their car (computer, TV, cat, whatever) because it wasn't working right, and you found someone had tampered with it and added an extra bit of hardware (software/transceiver/DNA etc) for some unknown purpose. Knowing that "thing" didn't belong, you removed it.

        You then let others know there's someone wandering around the neighbourhood interfering with pussies, and you tell people how they can stop their pussy from becoming infected.

  11. Potemkine! Silver badge
    Trollface

    The land of the Free

    That's why the Statue of Liberty is in the US, it's a memorial, Liberty is buried there.

    1. Aodhhan

      Re: The land of the Free

      So liberty in your country means criminals can legally break into homes to steal property or otherwise cause financial harm to people? Wait 10 minutes and you'll understand just why you aren't very clever.

  12. Tubz Silver badge

    two CDs of audio content – one from when the Brit was interrogated for 24 hours by FBI agents without access to a lawyer ... 6th Amendment broken, waived under duress, foreign national have rights ?

    1. Aodhhan

      His 6th amendment rights weren't violated.

      In this case, Hutchins was given his Miranda Rights and he decided to answer questions without a lawyer present. All legal. It's also legal to use his answers in court, as long as he was provided Miranda. Again, he chose to answer questions without his lawyer present.

      He wasn't questioned for 24 straight hours. He was never under duress. Good grief, do you dream this crap up? If this was the case, the US media would be all over it because he would be screaming about it.

      He can refuse to answer any questions and end questioning at any time so he can consult a lawyer.

      He's being afforded a quick and speedy trial; however, Hutchins' lawyer asked for a 60 day continuance. He will have a jury in court and only has to convince one of them he is not guilty.

      In court, he has every opportunity to call witnesses. It's likely his attorney will ask for more time in order to gather them.

      ...so I don't want people yelling about Hutchins not being afforded a speedy trial, when it's his lawyer who will likely draw it out.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Spot the Yank...

        So, a man is arrested at an airport and questioned repeatedly by Police. And he's not under any duress? Are Americans suffering some form of collective stupidity or is it desperation to deflect from the realisation that the rest of the world increasingly views America as an aggressive bully?

        1. Pompous Git Silver badge

          "the realisation that the rest of the world increasingly views America as an aggressive bully?"
          Some are slow on the uptake... The United States accused Habib of many crimes that he confessed to under torture over a period of three years. There was never any evidence to support US claims and Habib was eventually released without charges in January 2005.

          Mamdouh Habib

      2. Kiwi
        Trollface

        Good grief, do you dream this crap up?

        Perchance you need to acquaint yourself with a mirror?

  13. nickx89

    Don't get it why

    I don't know why it has made controversy. There are many hackers out there, that the NSA knows about, but all they want to target is the person who secured the day when they couldn't.

    1. Pompous Git Silver badge

      Re: Don't get it why

      "There are many hackers out there, that the NSA knows about, but all they want to target is the person who secured the day when they couldn't wouldn't."
      NSA already knew about the kill switch since they wrote the malware.

      1. Sgt_Oddball

        Re: Don't get it why

        You've never heard of Halons razor have you?

        1. Pompous Git Silver badge

          Re: Don't get it why

          "You've never heard of Halons razor have you?"
          Nope. I do possess a bottle of carbon tetrachloride though I've never seen it shave.

  14. JJKing
    Unhappy

    Fucking law enforcement.

    Law enforcement seem to be the same all round the world. I found some unpleasant porn on a school principal's PC and reported it. Turns out is was nastier than the image that I saw as the wallopers came and server a Search Warrant on me and they were quite nasty for some time. There was a distinct change in attitude and tone and I assume that was when they came to the conclusion that I didn't possess any child porn in my electronic devices. The bastards still took my laptop, PC and plethora of storage sticks away and told me I could pick them up in 3 to 4 months. Phone their building the following week and was told they weren't going to forensics and I could come and pick them up. Shame the PC wouldn't work but hey, "that's not our responsibility".

    You are deemed guilty by them until you prove yourself innocent. I fear for Marcus.

    1. Suricou Raven

      Re: Fucking law enforcement.

      You are guilty of having been accused of possession of child abuse imagery. That's enough to seize every electronic device you own. You were fortunate in this case that they swiftly identified their real target and decided you were no longer of interest.

      1. JLV

        Re: Fucking law enforcement.

        hum, you must have missed the part where the OP was the one who found the image. no need to call him lucky.

        seems like common sense not to unduly screw over people reporting child porn, no? if you want to keep on getting infractions reported, that is.

        maybe a quick forensic imaging of their electronics to make sure they're not setting someone up, but definitely make it painless as possible.

        glad Hutchins didn't follow advice, cited here, to roll over and plead guilty to lesser charges. he's either proved guilty of Kronos (and should burn if so). or he should walk entirely free. this trial deserves all the sunlight it can get - both for his sake and the FBIs behavior and reputation. best of luck to him.

  15. patrickstar

    From the actual document (hey, am I the only one who actually read it?):

    "To date, the defendant has provided the defense with the following:

    - 1 CD with post arrest statements

    - CD with 2 audio recordings from the county jail in Nevada. (The government is awaiting a written transcript from the FBI.)"

    Is that a typo or was it really the defendant that requested these be included in the evidence?

    In which case I'd assume that they consist of him trying to tell them they got the wrong guy... Like, for example, explaining why his code ended up in the trojan in question.

    Even if not and it's actually a typo (quite a critical one in the wrong context!) interrogations generally end up in the case evidence/discovery regardless of whether they are incriminating or not (or even if they consist of responding "No comment" to everything, in countries where you don't have the right to refuse questioning outright).

    Or maybe they think they can prove his answers wrong at a latter time, etc.

    1. Kiwi
      Flame

      Even if not and it's actually a typo (quite a critical one in the wrong context!) interrogations generally end up in the case evidence/discovery regardless of whether they are incriminating or not

      They also love to play with "soundbites" during hearings. "We asked the client if he stole the cars, and you can hear him clearly say he did [plays tape] {victim} 'Yes, I did' [stops tape] So you can see the defendant is clearly guilty".

      Whereas the full tape would be "Yes, I did attend secondary school".

      (Ok, this is starting to sound like I have a bit of a grudge against lying scumbagscoppers!)

      1. Pompous Git Silver badge

        "Ok, this is starting to sound like I have a bit of a grudge against lying scumbagscoppers!"
        Quite understandable. I wish I could say otherwise, but my son was treated by them very badly. Never charged with anything after I was told by a detective that I would be utterly disgusted by what he'd done when he was charged. Eventually I received an abject apology from the chief detective who told me there was no evidence that The Gitling had been anything other than an exemplary citizen.

  16. ITnoob

    If this falls apart and he walks free then I hope UK Gov will be all over our allies like a rash. Bet they won't though.

  17. TheElder

    The authorities obviously don't understand any of this cyber security business

    I am afraid it isn't just in the US. I was speaking to a member here that doesn't have a member. That memberless member told me that Shawnigan Lake is south of here. It is 30 kilometres north northwest of the station. South that far is 26 kilometres in the ocean. Then I spoke to the Watch Commander about how I could possibly pin down the IP address actual location address of a criminal with a fair degree of accuracy. He gave me a virtual blank stare.

    My IP is intentionally difficult to pin down but I can still get it to about 7 km. It is in the same jurisdiction.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Poor marcus

    Stiched up by AlphaBay probably a subsiduary of AlphaBet - G "I wonder!"

    Krono's - so named after the Greek God that ate his own Children is a little apt.

    I've always been partial to Janus myself, that was the God of Two Face's! ie: "Two Faced!"

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