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Notorious copyright troll and scammer John Steele of Prenda Law has been disbarred by the Illinois Supreme Court. The decision is not surprising, given the law firm's long history of legally dubious efforts to extract money from people – something that culminated in Steele pleading guilty to mail fraud, wire fraud, and money …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Question from the UK

    OK, sounds like the scum has plea-bargained for a short jail sentence, but what does that mean in practice for Steele?

    Here in the UK, not only can any felon expect to serve only half his sentence, but the white collar criminals will usually be sent to a soft option jail, like open prisons where there's no prison walls, the crims have rooms not cells, and they can expect to be able to have weekends out. Can he expect fake justice like that in Illinois?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Question from the UK

      Perhaps not *that* lax, but likely will serve 1/3 or less of his sentence and be in a minimum security type option. He'll likely be back on the street and on probation for the remainder in less time than is suitable for the damage done.

      1. patrickstar

        Re: Question from the UK

        These are federal charges. There is no parole in the federal system. He will serve atleast 85% of his sentence - there are provisions for a little bit of time off for good behavior and earned credits.

    2. a_yank_lurker

      Re: Question from the UK

      The bigger hurt is the disbarment in IL. That means he can not practice law. If he is licensed in another state this should make a disbarment there a near certainty. Also, a disbarred shyster can not appear before any feral court.

      1. Ian Michael Gumby
        Boffin

        @lurker Re: Question from the UK

        +1

        Technically, he could still practice law, and disbarment in one state doesn't mean that he will be disbarred in another. HOWEVER, due to the fact that he committed several felony counts... as a convicted felon, he will most likely lose the ability to practice law period. He will also be blocked from getting other licenses for other jobs and he will also face a lot more scrutiny when it comes to applying for a job.

        One down... too many more to go.

      2. Allan George Dyer
        Joke

        Re: Question from the UK

        "Also, a disbarred shyster can not appear before any feral court."

        I would have thought that a wild court that had escaped from domestication would be the perfect place for him.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Question from the UK

      Remember Andrew Crossley of ACS law ?

      Escaped with only a slap on the wrist and is back in the legal profession and (cough cough) went bankrupt. Amazing what you can put in your wife's name.

      http://www.rodneywarren.co.uk/our-legal-team/andrew-crossley/

    4. Snorlax Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Question from the UK

      @AC: "Here in the UK, not only can any felon expect to serve only half his sentence,"

      I think you've been watching too many US courtroom dramas.

      The notion of a felony hasn't existed in England and Wales since 1967 (See section 1 Criminal Law Act 1967)

  2. frank ly

    Words

    "... legally dubious efforts to extract money from people – something that culminated in Steele pleading guilty to mail fraud, wire fraud, and money laundering ..."

    So, that's 'legally illegal' then?

    1. Ian Michael Gumby

      @frank lyRe: Words

      No, not legally illegal, but illegal use of the law.

      But if you ever get trapped in a room with a killer android, ask him to explain the legally illegal concept. ;-)

  3. lnLog

    federation / republic of USA

    'Steele will no longer be allowed to practice law in the state, although that does leave many other states'

    A good example to highlight that the USA is not 'a country' and should be viewed equivalent to Europe, and something i wish was highlited more often, mainly to brexiters.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: federation / republic of USA

      "USA is not 'a country' and should be viewed equivalent to Europe, and something i wish was highlited more often, mainly to brexiters."

      I think that's their complaint - it is too federal like the US.

  4. lglethal Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

    Hang on a second, can one of you yanks explain this to me - he has now been disbarred in two seperate states, and each one had to do it separately. I can only assume from that, following logic, that he sat the bar exam in each of those states. And that passing the bar in one state, doesnt allow you to practice law in another state. Please tell me I'm right there, because otherwise that is seriously f%&ked up. If he can pass the bar in one state, which gives him the right to practice in all 50, but then when he does something wrong, he needs to be disbarred individually in all 50, I mean wow, that would be messed up.

    So please tell me I got that right, and he can only practice in the states where he has passed the bar, and in this case that happened to be Minnesota and Illionois and both have now kicked his ass to the curb...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      Some states recognize the bar exam you passed in one state, some don't. In states that do recognize other state's bar exams, you generally still have to obtain a license from the state in which you want to practice, and generally have to be disbarred in each state where you are licensed to practice.

      Some states are moving to a "universal" bar exam to address the problem of some states being more "lenient" in their exams.

      There is never one answer for all states here.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

        the problem of some states being more "lenient" in their exams.

        Q1. Explain patent law.

        Ans It's a licence to print money.

        There is no Q2.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      Yes. The Bar exam is applicable to specific states. You are right. He cannot necessarily pass it in one state and practice in another state, from my understanding. Some states may have reciprocal agreements that allow this but it certainly isn't a universal thing.

    3. wrangler

      Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      A lawyer can be admitted to practice in a given state by passing the bar exam. Admission to practice can also often be granted by a court, on a motion, based on a license to practice from another state, a clean record, a sponsor, and a specified number of years of practice.

      Typically, though the bureaucratic wheels may grind slowly, a suspension or disbarment in one state will be honored by reciprocal suspension or disbarment in other states. You'll note that the reference link (http://cookcountyrecord.com/stories/511117834-prenda-law-s-steele-disbarred-six-other-il-lawyers-also-disbarred-nine-suspended-il-supreme-court-says) contained in this Register article states that the subject was disbarred on "consent". I suspect this was based on the Minnesota disbarment, and that he had no grounds to contest an automatic reciprocal disbarment.

      If you read further down the web page referenced in the article, you'll see an example of a reciprocal suspension listed.

    4. kain preacher

      Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      Passing the bar in one state will allow you to practice law on a limited bases in other states. You need to keep in mind in the US different states had different laws on the same subject. Rules of evidence are different. thing like the right to a speed trail are interpreted differently.

    5. Ian Michael Gumby

      What you need to know... Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      Certain professions are licensed by the state. (Doctors, Lawyers, Insurance, etc ...) So you have to be licensed by each state where you practice. Most states have reciprocity with other states. So you can take and pass the bar in one state and get admitted to other states' bar for a fee as long as you are in good standing where you passed the bar.

      Other states would require that you take their bar exam.

      It depends on the state. For example, you could pass the bar in IL and reciprocity with IN would let you practice in both states since IN will recognize the IL license. (But you still have to apply to the IN bar. )

      But NY may not recognize the IL bar and force you to sit for their bar exam.

      Depending on the state, its possible that you can get disbarred in one but not the other.

      It depends why you were disbarred. Note: With a felony conviction... that's pretty much an automatic disbarment.

    6. Snorlax Silver badge

      Re: Needs to be disbarred in each state individually? WTF?

      @lglethal: "Hang on a second, can one of you yanks explain this to me - he has now been disbarred in two seperate states, and each one had to do it separately."

      Same thing happens all the time in Europe.

      Not so much in the world of law, but doctors especially spring to mind. Screw up and move on:

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2621290/

      "“Doctors with a primary medical qualification from overseas or within the European Union are disproportionately represented [in medical complaints] and more are being referred to us than we should be seeing without a good explanation,” said Paul Phillips, director of standards and fitness-to-practise at the General Medical Council, in response to media attention on the disparity."

  5. Jason Hindle

    I guess he'd better call Saul....

    Enough said.

  6. kain preacher

    Steele will no longer be allowed to practice law in the state, although that does leave many other states, were he could continue his immoral trade once he gets out of jail.

    False. My god were do I start. In order to practice law in a particle state in the US you must either be a member of the bar in the state or in good standing in your home state. But but he could just pass the bar in any other state. While that is true they also look at your character. being dis barred and a convicted criminal is almost certain to keep you from being admitted into the bar.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      'tis so true

      I was (hic) excluded from the (hic) bar just last (hic) night...

      Anyone got a hip flask?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The only safe way ...

    is to nuke him from orbit. Problem solved.

    1. Oengus

      Re: The only safe way ...

      Not even sure that would be safe. Cockroaches and other low life are supposedly able to survive after nuclear war...

      1. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

        Re: The only safe way ...

        Cockroaches and other low life are supposedly able to survive after nuclear war.

        I'd like to see him survive an orbital anvil-delivery.

        KEW strike. It's the only way to be sure.

  8. EveryTime

    Four years after he was obviously had ethical violations (April 2013 pleading the 5th), two years after it was obvious he was guilty, and months after pleading guilty they finally get around to the now-meaningless action of disbarring him.

    This process did absolutely nothing to protect the public from abuses by lawyers.

  9. tedleaf

    Did they ever pay off the "fine" that the judge that they realy pissed off dropped on them ?

    The judge who threatened them with passing on case to the irs ?

    I can only say that for the number of laws they broke and the number of cases involved,and their utter comptempt for various courts,they have got off incredibly lightly,I thought you could get very heavy sentence for cross state border wire fraud,I do t understand why they got offered such a cushy plea bargain deal,the prosecutors had more than enough evidence etc to convict without them trying to grass each other up for a cushy light sentence..

    Fingers crossed he gets 18 years,tries to appeal it and ends up with 22 years for being a greasy untrustworthy piece of shit.

    I suspect though he will do 2-3 years jail,then bog off and live quite a comfortable life on the money that authorities don't know about in other off-shore shells firms and accounts..

    1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      Or he could go into porn

      He's already got the name.

      On the other hand the porn industry would probably have a problem with low ethical standards.

  10. VulcanV5

    AC Law . . .

    The names of founding partners were sufficient enough, once upon a time, to appear on the shingle. But then TV came along and every grubby little legal outfit suddenly wanted to be an LA Law, a Boston Law. The proliferation of firms with 'Law' in their titles was exceeded only by the proliferation of posturing practitioners.

    'Prenda Law' never worked that well though as a title, so will soon be forgotten. The British version of a sleazy scamming lying low-life scumbag shyster outfit was, however, a bit more memorable: AC: Law. Cryptic. Authoritative. Makes you think of a big outfit rather than the one-man band operating out of a London accommodation address that it actually was.

    As to what happened to that, its repellent toad of a proprietor Andrew Crossley, was in 2012 finally subject to the full sanction of the UK's Solicitors' Regulation Authority, this after a shit-storm of complaints to the SRA about Crossley's nationwide pursuit of alleged illegal file downloaders. To its lasting credit, El Reg was amongst the most vociferous of Crossley's critics.

    It took the SRA more than two years to decide that Crossley was a disgrace to the legal profession. The SRA was so totally and completely. . . appalled by Crossley's behaviour that it suspended him from practice. . . for all of two years. The reaction then of many here in the UK was the same as the reaction now of many in the USA to the John Steele situation, viz: that nothing short of barring the scumbag from ever practicising law again is appropriate.

    But where disgraced lawyers are concerned, 'punishment' doesn't really happen. Look at AC:Law. Look at Andrew Crossley. The 'profession' which the, uh, fearless SRA once said he had brought into public disrepute has long since looked after him. Because it always looks after its own. As in the UK then, so, too, in the USA: there's no reason to think that John Steele will be treated any differently. Like Crossley. . . he'll be back.

  11. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Unhappy

    What do you call a copyright troll lawyer whos'be been disbarred and may do 85% of any sentence?

    A start.

  12. Fatman
    WTF?

    Steele disbarred

    I have only one question:

    WHAT took so fucking LONG!!!!!!

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