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Amazon has released a beta of Lumberyard, a free game engine and development tool – but with the condition that your game may not read or write data to competing cloud services. Lumberyard is a gaming SDK (Software Development Kit) with visual technology based on CryEngine, a commercial package used by studios including 2K, …

  1. Clockworkseer

    Although you apparently can use it in a case of the Zombie Apocalypse..

    From the T&C's

    57.10 Acceptable Use; Safety-Critical Systems. Your use of the Lumberyard Materials must comply with the AWS Acceptable Use Policy. The Lumberyard Materials are not intended for use with life-critical or safety-critical systems, such as use in operation of medical equipment, automated transportation systems, autonomous vehicles, aircraft or air traffic control, nuclear facilities, manned spacecraft, or military use in connection with live combat. However, this restriction will not apply in the event of the occurrence (certified by the United States Centers for Disease Control or successor body) of a widespread viral infection transmitted via bites or contact with bodily fluids that causes human corpses to reanimate and seek to consume living human flesh, blood, brain or nerve tissue and is likely to result in the fall of organized civilization.

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Although you apparently can use it in a case of the Zombie Apocalypse..

      Yesh. This point was discussed around 05:20 on the BBC Radio show 'Wake up to Money'.

      This is IMHO far more intersting that this 'Lumberyard' thing.

      It seems that El Reg is ignoring tips sent now. I sent it in around 06:45.

      Zombies rule ok!

      disclaimer, I'm old enough to have seen 'the Zombies' in the 1960's.

      The question is now many more EULA's and T's & C's have this sort of legalese included?

      Does it make the contract null and void? After all Zombies are a figment or our imagination aren't they?

      1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

        Re: Steve Davies 3

        Hi Steve,

        We did see the tip, thanks - we get hundreds each day, sorry we haven't replied to yours yet. It's appreciated, though.

        C.

      2. bpfh
        Thumb Up

        Re: Although you apparently can use it in a case of the Zombie Apocalypse..

        You have to read them.... I belive that one time a company said in the middle of the legalese that they would send you a few bucks if you had a licence and you quoted them the correct paragraph saying somthing like "if you have read through to here, upon written request, we will give you x dollars no strings attached"...

    2. sysconfig

      Re: Although you apparently can use it in a case of the Zombie Apocalypse..

      Clever marketing!

  2. 2460 Something

    Can't complain too much though. Their product, their rules. Every company tries to monetise 'freebies'. Some do it more successfully than others, and even when they aren't directly generating income from it then they have invested in it to help increasing market share and so in a longer term profits.

    1. ratfox

      I tend to dislike arbitrary constraints on the use of products. For instance, it took many years for the whole industry to settle on USB, and it's hard enough to reach such a result, but then Apple specifically made sure that only iPods could connect to iTunes, and not the competing MP3 players…

      Also coming to mind: HP selling printers cheap and ink for an arm and a leg, and using cryptography techniques to make it difficult for others to build compatible ink cartridges.

      That said, I wonder how they plan on enforcing it. How would they notice if somebody modifies the product to run on Google hardware?

      1. Tom_

        How would they notice?

        I guess they'd install and run the game and then look at the lack of connections to their servers.

      2. 2460 Something

        Lock in

        This is completely different though. With your examples the user paid money for a product. Once they own something then then it should be theirs to interact with in any which way they like. In this case Amazon is allowing you to use their software as long as you don't use it on their competitors products. Yes there will be a cost of service based on your AWS usage, but you make that choice. Either I use the design tool for free but pay for AWS usage, or I could still go buy a professional product and use it anywhere I like (or at least wherever they have configured in their software to allow....).

    2. Daggerchild Silver badge

      The thing that saddens me greatly is when the conditions involve not being allowed to do things that they can't imagine.

      The unfortunate thing about pushing out the boundaries of the possible, is that your workplace is by necessity far away from the centre of expectation, and beyond a certain distance from 'the average' (cursed be its name) people actively start regarding you as 'inconvenient' and you start hearing 'why can't you just be like everyone else, why do you have to be awkward?', and you get that sinking feeling again.

      1. 2460 Something

        things that they can't imagine.

        They cover the Zombie Apocalypse in their conditions ... I think in this instance their imagination is pretty good :D

    3. MyffyW Silver badge

      @2460_Something maybe I shouldn't complain, but I certainly can

      To be honest, whenever Amazon et al launch a new service it's time to check your change and guard your watch.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    So, using non-HTTP is fine then

    "Web Services" by definition use HTTP(S). So, you're fine to use VM's hosted elsewhere... just don't use HTTP(S) when communicating with them.

  4. ecofeco Silver badge

    Meh. Seems fair enough

    Seems fair enough. I mean hell, you get an incredible piece of authoring software for free (I'm looking at you Adobe) and it seems you could still make a stand alone game, which I know is not in fashion right now, but hey, why not?

  5. Aslan

    Clause 57.10 REAMDE

    Because Amazon wants a cut of T'Rain

    "...Around this time there was an airport security scare in which some fuckwit entered a concourse by walking upstream through an exit portal, bypassing the security checkpoint. As always happened in such cases, the entire airport had to be shut down. Planes waiting for takeoff had to taxi back to gates and unload all passengers and baggage. All the passengers had to be ejected from the sterile side of the airport and then turn around and pass through security again. Flights were delayed, and the delays ramified throughout the global air travel system, eventually racking up a cost of tens of millions of dollars. All of which could have been prevented had the one TSA employee posted by the exit—an employee whose sole purpose in being there was to just keep his fucking eyes open and stop people from walking the wrong way through a door—had actually done his job. Richard was fascinated. How could even the laziest and sloppiest employee screw this up? The answer, apparently, was that it had nothing to do with laziness or sloppiness. It was that Mogadishu copper thing all over again. The neural pathways required to accomplish the seemingly easy task of identifying a pedestrian walking the wrong way through a door had, in the brain of this employee, been uprooted a long time ago and zip-tied onto those used by some other, more important, or at least more frequently used, procedure.

    And so they started up the first APPIS pilot project, which went something like this. They shot some consumer-grade video of Corporation 9592 employees walking down a hallway. They spun that up into a demo, which they showed to several regional airports that were too small and poorly funded to afford fancy, expensive, alarm-equipped one-way doors, and thus had to rely on the bored-employee-sitting-in-a-chair-by-the-door technology. They parlayed those meetings into a deal that gave them access to live 24/7 security camera footage from a couple of those airports. The footage, of course, just showed people walking through the exit.

    They patched that footage into pattern recognition software that identified the shapes of the individual humans and translated them into vector data in 3D space. This made it possible to import all the data into the T’Rain game engine. The same positions and movements were conferred on avatars from the T’Rain world. The stream of human passengers walking down the corridor in their blazers, their high heels, their Chicago Bears sweatpants, became a stream of K’Shetriae, Dwinn, trolls, and other fantasy characters, dressed in chain mail, plate armor, and wizards’ robes, moving down a stone-lined passageway at the exit of the mighty Citadel of Garzantum.

    The High Marshal of the Garzantian Empire then made an announcement to the effect that huge amounts of gold could be earned by, honor bestowed upon, and valuable weapons and armor handed out to anyone who nabbed a goblin attempting to sneak in through said passageway. Characters who volunteered for this duty were issued a special instrument, the Horn of Vigilance, and told to blow it whenever they spotted a wrong-way goblin. Extra points were handed out for actually confronting the goblin and (of course) engaging it in Medieval Armed Combat.

    Now, in all the entire (real) world’s airports put together, the number of people who got into concourses by walking the wrong way through exit doors amounted to maybe one or two per year: not enough to hold the attention, or assure the vigilance, of even the most rabid T’Rain player. So the APPIS system now sweetened the pot by automatically generating fictitious, virtual wrong-way goblins and sending them up that tunnel at the rate of one every couple of minutes, every day, forever. Some balancing had to happen—the value of the rewards had to be tweaked relative to the frequency of wrong-way goblins—but with a minimal amount of adjustment they were able to set the system up in such a way that 100 percent of all the wrong-way goblins were apprehended. The total number of wrong-way goblins that had to be generated per year was about two hundred thousand—which was no problem, since generating them was free. The trick, of course, was that a tiny minority of those one-way goblins were not, in fact, computer-generated figments. They were representations of actual human forms that had been picked up by airport security cameras as they walked the wrong way into airport concourses. In reality, of course, this happened so rarely that testing the system was well-nigh impossible, and so they ran drills, several times a day, in which uniformed, badged TSA employees would present themselves at the exit and show credentials to the bored guard and then walk upstream into the concourse. In exactly 100 percent of all such cases, some T’Rain player, somewhere in the world (almost always a gold farmer in China) would instantly raise the Horn of Vigilance to his virtual lips and blow a mighty blast and rush out to confront the corresponding one-way goblin: an event that, through some artful cross-wiring between Corporation 9592’s servers and the airport security systems, would cause red lights to flash and horns to sound and doors to automatically lock at the airport in question.

    Corvallis and most of the other techies hated this idea because of its sheer bogosity, which was screamingly obvious to any person of technical acumen who thought about it for more than a few seconds. If their pattern-recognition software could identify the moving travelers and vectorize their body positions well enough to translate their movements into T’Rain, then it could just as easily notice, automatically, with no human intervention, when one of those figures was walking the wrong way and sound the alarm. There was no need at all to have human players in the loop. They should just spin out the pattern-recognition part of it as a separate business.

    Richard understood and acknowledged all of this—and did not care. “Did you, or did you not, tell me that this was all marketing? What part of your own statement did you not understand?” The purpose of the exercise was not really to build a rational, efficient airport security system. It was, rather (to use yet another of those portentous phrases cribbed from the math world), an existence proof. Once it was up and running, they could point to it and to its 100 percent success rate as vindicating the premise of APPIS, which was that real-world problems—especially problems that were difficult to solve because of hard-wired deficiencies of the human neurological system, such as the tendency to become bored when given a terrible job—could be tackled by metaphrasing them into Medieval Armed Combat scenarios, and then (here brandishing two searingly hip terms from high tech) putting them out on the cloud so that they could be crowdsourced.

    The system, despite its bogosity—which was fundamental, evident, and frequently pointed out by huffy nerd bloggers—immediately became a darling of hip West Coast tech-industry conferences. APPIS had to be turned into a separate division and expanded onto a new floor of the office building in Seattle, which conveniently had been vacated by an imploding bank. New ideas and joint venture proposals rushed in, like so many wrong-way goblins, at such a pace that the APPIS staff could scarcely blow their Horns of Vigilance fast enough. The underemployed nerds of the world, impatient with the slow pace at which Corporation 9592’s in-house programmers bent to their demands, began to generate their own APPIS apps. The most popular of these was a system that would accept low-quality video of a corporate meeting room, supplied by a phone, and transmogrify the scene into a collection of hairy, armored warlords sitting around a massive plank table in a medieval fortress. Whenever a meeting participant lifted a bottle of vitamin water or a skinny nonfat latte to his or her lips, the corresponding avatar would quaff deeply from a five-liter tankard of ale and then belch deeply, and whenever someone took a nibble from a multigrain bar, the avatar would bite a steaming hunk of meat from a huge leg of lamb. PowerPoint presentations, in this scenario, were turned into vaporous apparitions hanging in numinous steam above a sorcerer’s kettle. In the first version of the app, the horn-helmeted avatars all said exactly the same things that the corresponding humans did in the real-world conference room, which made for some funny juxtapositions but wore thin after a while. But then people began to create add-ons so that if, for example, someone’s clever new proposal got trashed by a grouchy boss, the event could be rendered as a combat scene in which the hapless underling’s severed head wound up on the end of a spear. Large swaths of the global economy were, it now seemed, being remapped onto their T’Rain equivalents so that they could be transacted in a Medieval Armed Combat setting. Demonstrable improvements in productivity were being trumpeted every day on the relevant section of Corporation 9592’s website (by a medieval herald, naturally, and with an actual trumpet).

    Richard insisted, only half in jest, that he wanted to see 10 percent of the global economy moved into T’Rain. Or at least 10 percent of the information economy. But since the information economy had now got its fingers into just about everything, this wasn’t much of a limitation. Factory workers watching widgets stream off the assembly line, inspecting them for defects, ought to be able to metaphrase their work into something way more neuron grabbing, such as flying up a river valley on a winged steed, gazing into its limpid waters at the rocks strewn up its channel, looking for the one that contained traces of some magical ore..."

    -Neal Stephenson - REAMDE

  6. Steven Roper

    I'd rather use the Unreal Engine

    It's got amazing graphics and physics ability, almost on a par with what I can get out of full-blown Cinema 4D renders - and in real time. Plus, they don't lock you in to using any particular vendor or service, it's completely free to download and use, you retain copyright in your work, and all they ask in return is that if your game makes any money then they'd like a piece of the pie - which in my view is a completely fair and honest deal.

  7. Adam T

    Odd

    AWS gaming back-end: Awesome!

    CryEngine toolset: PITA.

    Great engine, but not fun to work in. Why didn't they just make back ends for UE4 & Unity (& CryEngine)? Far bigger reach without having to develop and support a branch of a super complex middleware ..which will be where if it doesn't gain traction? (Hello Stingray)

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    AWS or not AWS ?

    "Without our prior written consent, (a) the Lumberyard Materials (including any permitted modifications and derivatives) may only be run on computer equipment owned and operated by you or your End Users, or on AWS Services, and may not be run on any Alternate Web Service"

    It shouldn't run on Alternate Web Services (AWS) but on AWS only ? That's deep.

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