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Rumour: Asus rejects $99 Nexus 7... rumour
Google and Asus won't be releasing a $99 (£61) Nexus 7 tablet, the second of those two partners has insisted. Somewhere on the internet, someone has suggested that the pair have just such a plan in mind. The $199/£159 price point will be maintained for a higher spec model, goes the theory, while the pared-back entry-level …
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:40 GMT HMB
I don't know about you, but I heard that Apple was going to arrange a press event and issue a formal apology for hypnocritically stealing other peoples ideas even from it's inception as a company and then passing them off as their own while simultaneously bitching about people copying the simplest of things from them. (Xerox UI, Multitouch, stuff like that)
That's what I heard anyway. :P You know these, rumours, aren't always true.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 14:33 GMT uhuznaa
Re: Go for it!
The Nexus 7 is a nice and unexpensive device (I'm typing on one right now) but it's not an iPad. It's a totally different thing. If you want an appliance the Nexus sucks, if you want a tablet computer the iPad sucks.
And why should Google/Asus make it even cheaper as it already is?
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Thursday 27th September 2012 18:33 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Go for it!
"If Android is the number one mobile OS, surely Android users are the sheep?"
Definition of a sheep: Someone who follows the crowd without thinking for themselves.
There are no doubt plenty of sheep in the Android ecosystem, but for most of us who chose Android rather than being told to buy it, we did so because of the advantages of the platform over iOS.
Anyone who bough an iPhone didn't do so because of logical thinking. Higher price, less features, less freedom, more butt hurt. So they're either a sheep or stupid.
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Friday 28th September 2012 07:24 GMT N13L5
Re: iSheep
You mean the knowledge, intelligence and social status boosting iOwnersheep ?
@craigj: Scale is unrelated to people being sheep or not.
Sheepness relates to people who allow certain things to be done with them, like being herded around a walled garden, with the promise of keeping out bad wolves and the complexities of the real world.
Interpreting the regular shearing they are given by their greedy master as a religious experience is a symptom that might point us more in the direction of Lemmings though.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:11 GMT miknik
"Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
I'm sorry but this is just sensationalism.
The Nexus 7 runs vanilla Android, it has access to Google Play which comes pre loaded but absolutely no restriction on installing apps from elsewhere or even installing other app stores eg Amazon.
It isn't tightly tied, it isn't even loosely restrained.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:59 GMT DrXym
Re: "Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
The bootloader isn't even locked so if you were a masochist you could even flash Android without the store or even flash something on there which isn't even Android.
Google so far have relied on the power of the default which means they don't need to lock down devices. They know that they can give users the choice because 99% of users won't even take it even when it's available.
So why spend an inordinate amount of effort securing a device or risking additional heat from regulatory bodies?
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Thursday 27th September 2012 11:10 GMT Dave 126
Re: "Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
The Playstation 3 was initially sold at a loss, possibly the XBOX 360 too. But there is only one source of software for them, and in the case of the XBOX, a £45 / year subscription for those who want to get the most out of their purchase.
The Nexus is not like these devices.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 11:58 GMT Syd
Re: "Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
While this is clearly correct, it isn't quite the full story - you have to manually turn on 'Allow unknown sources' in the security settings; and when you do so it presents you with quite a severe "security warning" dialog, which basically says that you are putting your device and your data at risk by doing this; so I can't see many non-techies doing it, to be honest, which makes it "psychologically tied", shall we say, even if not physically tied.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 12:10 GMT Law
Re: "Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
"so I can't see many non-techies doing it, to be honest, which makes it "psychologically tied", shall we say, even if not physically tied"
I'd say it's the opposite... a none technical person who gets told by amazon to do this (with screenshots on how to do it) to get their app store and free app a day would happily do this. To the non-technically person it will be no different than the "scary" warning that installers and any downloaded files trigger in OSX and Windows 7 when you execute/open them.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 18:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied"
"I'd say it's the opposite... a none technical person who gets told by amazon to do this (with screenshots on how to do it) to get their app store and free app a day would happily do this."
I agree with this, I'm an Android dev. and since exploring the world outside of my cave a little more (the local) I've found countless people running pirated apps and happily giving advice on how/where to do it. These are just normal people one being a barmaid. They are exposing themselves to a massive risk but don't seem too bothered (they could just be unaware).
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:14 GMT Mike Brown
really?
el reg is now resorting to reporting what one person has said on the internet? I suppose it gives you a lot of scope to report almost anyhting. I look foward to more stories based on what one perosn has said:
Smoking causes green horns to sprout from heads
The queen is in fact a man
Donkeys used to have an advanced civilistation that was destroyed in an interglatic war
Whales enjoy wii games
Apple plan to start a fruit and veg store
Cant wait to be honest.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:20 GMT Lee Dowling
I would be most annoyed if they did, because I just bought one.
But, considering their costs and that I got £15 Google Play credit, I doubt they could do it. Though, maybe they'll just scrap the credit if they did do.
People are basically gossiping that Google will sell at cost, which I think is a bit of a stretch. The device is very nice but I bought it BECAUSE it doesn't have any external storage, 3G or a lot of other junk and will be compatible with virtually everything out there on the store (which some of the cheaper tablets aren't, even if you hack the store onto them) - it's going to be used by a child, so I don't want that junk and I want to be able to lock it down. I can't see the price coming down soon given what's in it, and that it will never really own the tablet market because of some huge feature omissions in the hardware.
I think the rumour is probably just that. And it's a nice device but it's not nice enough for everyone to rush out and buy even at 2/3rds the current price. You can't make a loss leader with a device that's behind every other offering out there.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 18:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
My understanding is the N7 and most Nexus devices are pretty much sold at cost anyway with the profit going to the manufacturer rather than Google. At £160 there can't be a lot of profit involved.
The thing to remember though is that Google makes it's money through advertising. One more N7 is one more device showing adverts (at least that's the theory).
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:24 GMT Mark C Casey
Cheaper Nexus 7
I can see them removing features that are rarely used on the Nexus 7 like GPS (it's useless outside of a wifi network anyway, so all it's really telling me is where I know I currently am) and the front facing camera.
But knocking the storage capacity down to 4GB would be a nightmare, it's bad enough for those people on the 8GB. But with 4GB after the OS and a few apps they'd run out of space damn quickly.
Can't say I like the new kindle fire much, but amazon were bang on the money when they said the minimum should be 16GB.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:37 GMT Arthur Jackson
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
Mark,
I am confused as to the GPS being useless outside a wifi area. I thought that the Nexus had a GPS chip in it and word work anywhere ( like my Garmin running watch )
I just wish someone would marry a waterproof device similar to this, possibly with e ink for battery life and full OS ( or similar ) mapping.
I can read a map and navigate but could see a use for such a device.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
full (or "full", depending on who you ask) OS mapping would cost you a grand on top of the device, and then it would become inoperable with the next OS (Operating System, not Ordnance Survey) upgrade, say to 4.2, if we're talking Android, due to "licensing restrictions", as they gently put it. We've been there, done that, THANK YOU so f... much, OS (= Ordnance Survey).
and then, if you want the most up-to-date version of those maps, in 2 years time you'll pay the FULL price for them again, yessir, all paid from your tax money.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 13:15 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
Orux Maps and Locus both allow you to cache online maps, including the UK OS at 1:25k. Just don't go crazy with the bandwidth or the providers won't be happy. I would love a Nexus for gps duties in the car, but the lack of expandable storage means I won't ever buy one, and as it is my Galaxy Note is doing great.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:00 GMT Vulch
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
If you're outside a WiFi area you can't download the map tiles for where you are, so even if you actually are on a white plain with grid lines it can be tricky finding your way to anywhere else.
On the other hand, lack of GPS is one of the reasons for not having access to whatever the Market is called currently.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:00 GMT batfastad
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
GPS should work without wifi! Unless you're wanting to use some sort of online mapping service. I've always thought it weird that you couldn't download Google Map data for a location for offline use. Since generally when you need map data, you need it quickly or where you don't have internet access.
TrekBuddy with a whole bunch of my OS 1:25k map tiles is decent on my phone. Would be even better on this!
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:42 GMT Shades
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
"I've always thought it weird that you couldn't download Google Map data for a location for offline use."
Err, you can, and have been able to in the last few versions of Google Maps. Very useful it is too. Open Google Maps, press menu button, press "Make available offline" and select the area you want to download.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 16:14 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
to be precise - with googlemaps you can download a map (maps), but only within a 10-mile radius from a point you click on. Yeah, you can go on like that to "grab" more of this precioussss googleland, but it's a pain in the ass, and as this "feature" comes from google, you can guess it is done on purpose, to stop you grabbing to much of "theirs"..
nb, when I tried to use such offline map "outthere", what I saw was.. a (sparse) network of streets, against a grey background. Very f... useful - NOT. Yeah, right, there's probably a box to tick/untick, but I couldn't find it. So I went straight to competition, openstreet, and... uhm... something else, I dunno... mapdroyd, I think. They do the job well enough.
btw, I'm truly baffled by so many people here surprised that the gps should work when no wifi is present, the youngsters these days... ;)
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Thursday 27th September 2012 12:09 GMT Dave 126
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
You can download Google map data for offline use, but it is a but clunky. You have to zoom in until a red square turns blue, (no more than, roughly, 60Mb) and that square is then stored. You can store around five of these squares, so could store an area the size of Brittany*. It's fiddly and doesn't always work, but is an improvement on the previous 'Labs' incarnation, where you had to trust the cache wouldn't be over written.
There are also apps like Mapdroid, which allow for entire regions of countries to be downloaded in advance (by name, rather than on a map), though my old man was distrustful of it since it showed a road in a lake.
*I cite Brittany from experience, not because I'm trying to displace Wales (or whales) from the list of approved Reg Standards.**
**Hey Reg! Why haven't you put your units into a convenient app yet? What is this, the Twentieth Century?! : D
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:38 GMT Eponymous Cowherd
Re: Cheaper Nexus 7
"I can see them removing features that are rarely used on the Nexus 7 like GPS (it's useless outside of a wifi network anyway, so all it's really telling me is where I know I currently am) "
Actually there are plenty of apps that make good use of GPS without the need for a network connection. OsmAnd is a good example. An Openstreetmap based mapping / navigation app that uses offline maps.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 09:33 GMT DapaBlue
I personally find GPS on the Nexus7 to be invaluable for proper sized maps on the street - I use my phone's WIFI hotspot for the data connection.
Also, haven't teardowns shown that ASUS have left SIM card / module space in the Nexus7 design where future tweaks to the hardware could easily be made to add such a feature?
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:00 GMT b166er
Considering I can get a reasonable, Android running, smartphone for £50 no strings attached, then I suspect it won't be long before I can get a 7" tablet for £100 or less. Especially if it doesn't have the 3/4G networking capability and a SD card slot.
Perhaps it just needs to be someone other than Asus. ZTE for example.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 11:19 GMT fishman
Cheap 7" tablets
"I suspect it won't be long before I can get a 7" tablet for £100 or less."
You can get several 7" tablets at newegg for around $75. Of cours, they probably are not very good.
When the Amazon fire came out, it had a BOM of close to $200. After around 9 months, the BOM dropped around $50. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Nexus 7 BOM drops similarly. Take away the Google Play credit, and you are down to $125.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 16:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
they're around
I got mine for about 85 quid, and it does come with a micro sd slot, and a gps. Yes, the people with penis envy would snigger at 800 x 400 dpi resolution, googleplay, fairly speedy processor, 8 Gb internal storage, 1 Gb ram... And for a 7 inch job I find the resolution more than sufficient, After all, it's not a f... HD TV for fuck's sake. And this was bought six months ago, and it still does its job, i.e. a toy for my kids and a book reader. So... say NO to google nexus! :D
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
coffee table or mobile
I think underlying this is some category confusion about whether such items are coffee table devices where pretty soon storage is increasingly less of an issue (via NAS/media boxes and Cloud) or more mobile personal devices.
The coffee table device can lose gps, 3g, rear cameras, storage maybe even battery (especially if you add induction charging), the mobile device may need more and better but is under more restrictions on size and fragmentation as smart phones get more varied.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 10:29 GMT DrXym
$100 is doable
There are Android 4.0 tablets selling for $50 wholesale. Despite their cost they're not actually bad featuring SD slots, HDMI out, 1.5GHz processors, capacitive touch. The worst thing about them is probably their screens and the iffy quality of the firmware. There are replacement firmwares though.
So I expect that a single CPU Nexus could be produced that retailed for $99 with an official Google firmware. It might have to have LCD instead of IPS screen and might have to differentiate itself by offering 4GB instead of 8GB but it would be completely possible to do.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 11:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: $100 is doable
I got this as a freebie, but retails at €79
http://www.phonehouse.es/app/f/p-22078/point-of-view-play-tab-2-pro-7''.html?idRecommendation=65792095-22078&idPrevPage=100488568
Does the job for a bit of browsing, I watched a fair bit of online olympic coverage on it and has handy ports.
Photos or movie on a US stick? Just plug and play...
And you don't mind your little kids playing with it
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Thursday 27th September 2012 11:33 GMT Steve Evans
Tightly tied to the play shop?
"hopes to make selling content through its Google Play shop to which the Nexus 7 is tightly tied."
I wouldn't say the Nexus 7 is tightly tied to anything. I installed the Amazon Appstore(tm) - *snigger* without any kind of fight, no rooting required, just check the box to say "I want to install from sources other than the Play Store".
Now the Kindle *is* tied to the Amazon Appstore.
As for trimming the N7 to make a $99 tablet, I can't see it being the success the original N7 is. Dropping the screen resolution and removing the GPS would reduce it to yet another crippled budget tablet. The screen resolution, GPS and bluetooth were the big tick boxes I'd been waiting for on a budget tablet.
I'd say they would be better off making the 3G version which was rumoured a while back. Although for me that is not an issue. Plenty of wifi points for me to access, with very occasional tethering when required have kept mine happily fed with data since the 4th of August.
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Thursday 27th September 2012 18:23 GMT Al Jones
USB Storage on the Nexus 7
There's an app available in the Play Store that allows you to access content on a USB stick when used with a USB On-The-Go cable (you don't need to root your Nexus 7).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.homeysoft.nexususb.importer
(They have a free photo viewer app that you can use to test the functionality before paying for the full version).
Now if only I could access the audio streams on certain media organizations that use a Flash based media "player".