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British egg producers have expressed disappointment at the removal of the oval-shaped favourite from Google's salad emoji. The UX manager for Google emoji Jennifer Daniel confirmed the change in a Tweet. The now egg-free salad is more vegan-friendly, and therefore more inclusive, Daniel explained. There's big talk about …

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  1. Dr_N
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    No Olives or Anchovies

    That's not Nice.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Diversity deficiency

    Hmmm. That's a very white-looking bowl.... just saying, that's all.

  3. fords42

    Here we go again...

    ...with the vegan bashing. Perish the thought some people actually care enough about animal welfare to take action and actively choose not to participate in what is a horribly cruel industry.

    Anyway, vegan or not eggs have no place in a salad.

    1. Velv
      Flame

      Re: Here we go again...

      eggs have no place in a salad.

      Next you’ll be claiming that pineapple has no place on a pizza...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here we go again...

      > to take action and actively choose not to participate in what is a horribly cruel industry

      Is not having a Facebook or Twitter account part of veganism too, now?

    3. cbars Bronze badge

      Re: Here we go again...

      sorry, where is the vegan bashing? On first inspection this forum appears to be ridiculing the idea that a standard with the finite number of representations, should be representative of any subset of ~7billion humans. Not to mention that these humans are free to change their mind, hold multiple belief systems simultaneously, and generally be a bit chaotic.

      Identity politics is not going to solve the worlds problems, neither is the victim complex you're displaying. In my opinion.

  4. mscha

    Google needs to put bacon bits on the salad emoji.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      A vegetarian friend occasionally lapsed over a bacon sandwich. She was happy to eat fried clams in a Macau monastery restaurant. Buddhists draw the line of sentience above such delicacies - especially fried oysters.

  5. Dodgy Geezer Silver badge

    Essential quote here:

    ...Then there was the opposite school. There was Mr. Edward Carpenter, who thought we should in a very short time return to Nature, and live simply and slowly as the animals do. And Edward Carpenter was followed by James Pickie, D.D. (of Pocohontas College), who said that men were immensely improved by grazing, or taking their food slowly and continuously, after the manner of cows. And he said that he had, with the most encouraging results, turned city men out on all fours in a field covered with veal cutlets. Then Tolstoy and the Humanitarians said that the world was growing more merciful, and therefore no one would ever desire to kill. And Mr. Mick not only became a vegetarian, but at length declared vegetarianism doomed ("shedding," as he called it finely, "the green blood of the silent animals"), and predicted that men in a better age would live on[Pg 17] nothing but salt. And then came the pamphlet from Oregon (where the thing was tried), the pamphlet called "Why should Salt suffer?" and there was more trouble....

    G K Chesterton: The Napoleon of Notting Hill (1904)

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I literally cannot think of a more useless job than “UX manager for emojis”. How does this person even get up in the mornings?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Bigger Question

    They've updated the "family" emoji to have mum,dad,kid, mum,mum,kid and dad,dad,kid. But the kid is always a boy. Female infanticide in their "inclusive" world?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Bigger Question

      "But the kid is always a boy"

      You are making that judgement that on social gender appearances . Unless they are naked - and it could still be a wrong call based on appearance. :-P

  8. Dwarf

    A limp excuse of a salad

    I've never seen a salad with just green leaves (*) and a tomato. Where are the spring onions, radishes, cucumber, mushroom, beansprouts and the dressing.

    * What type of lettuce, any spinach, watercress.to liven it up a bit ?

    This doesn't look like any salad I've seen !!

    Should it also be smaller, since most are side salads for something more interesting such as a large juicy steak ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A limp excuse of a salad

      "I've never seen a salad with just green leaves (*) and a tomato."

      UK 1950s seaside boarding house high tea?

      1. MonkeyCee

        Re: A limp excuse of a salad

        "UK 1950s seaside boarding house high tea?"

        1980s UK restaurant. The "three course menu" had a starter choosing from orange juice, apple juice and pineapple juice. Inevitably out of pineapple juice too...

        Side salad consisted of wilted lettuce. No fancy colours, other than the natural green to yellow range. No dressing. For once no grief for not eating all my greens, since I polished off my shoe leather minute steak with it's own weight of tomato sauce.

        People can bitch about harvester and 'spoons, but what they serve is positively amazing compared to some of the delights on family holidays in my yoof.

        My foreign wife has a very high opinion of harvester, on account of having her first eton mess there. Any attempt to convince her that the burgers are worse than McDOnalds falls on deaf ears.

        Even their salad bar is nicer looking than that sad emoji salad :)

    2. Tom 7

      Re: A limp excuse of a salad

      I frequently have salad consisting of just my home grown variety of iceberg lettuce (I forget the brand name but it has flavour!!!) and if there are toms from the poly tunnel they get added as a bonus. People fail to realise that a salad is merely a device for eating salad dressing and the greenery is there for the crunch and to provide a greater surface area for the sea salt to stick to.

  9. MAF

    Whoever hatched that idea failed to ovoid getting egg on their face...?

  10. SW

    Vegetable Salad - that's no vegetable

    So why's there a fruit in there...???

  11. tiggity Silver badge

    Platonic form

    Surely the platonic form of the salad is just vegetables / fruits (e.g. tomato is a fruit)

    You can have "extras" such as egg, tuna whatever but most (UK) person would regard just the "veg" stuff as salad - and stuff like dressing should be regarded as optional too.

    1. MonkeyCee

      Re: Platonic form

      "Surely the platonic form of the salad is just vegetables / fruits"

      I tend to be of the opinion that if it can be made in the cold section, it's a salad.

      Since there isn't a formal definition of vegetable (we all kinda know what it means) it's quite normal for something to be both a fruit and a vegetable, assuming the fruit of the plant is what we eat.

      You'll see it in some laws, where there is different tariffs for fruit and vegetables for example, that certain foods will be classified as one of the other, without regard for what they are scientifically, but to what they are in terms of savory versus sweet.

      Other candidates for fruits in salad are cucumbers, peppers, snow peas* and avocado. As long as it pops, whatever that means... :)

      * whole pea pods are fruit, individual peas aren't, as far as I recall

  12. mark l 2 Silver badge

    Perhaps this idea was thought up by the brain boxes at Heinz that think that Salad Cream needs to be renamed 'Sandwich cream' because people use it on sandwiches more than they do on salads.

    Well if the young generation have to have instructions on how to use it in the name of the product they are going to struggle to know what to do with Brown Sauce and perhaps put it down the toilet?

    1. Dwarf

      Sandwich Cream

      So why aren't they renaming it to "Fish Finger Sandwich, Jacket Potato, Chips, Salad and Sandwich Cream" - If we really need instructions on what to apply it to.

      The nanny state strikes again !

  13. Tanglewood73

    Right, that’s it – I’m stopping using all emoji’s over this!

    Oh, wait, I’ve never used them due to not being born in Egypt 5,000 years ago and sufficiently old enough to use words.

  14. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

    Is it just me..

    .. that doesn't measure an OS's capibility, security, utility and usability in terms of it having added some extra emojis?

    I'd rather they concentrated on trivia like security. Or stability. Or useful[1] functionality..

    [1] No, I don't mean in terms of being able to have dynamic, battery-sapping animatronics and AR. You know, trivia like being able to control who/what has access to your data..

  15. Robert Helpmann??
    Childcatcher

    What did you expect...

    ...when Google couldn't get a cheeseburger right?

    1. Tom 7

      Re: What did you expect...

      It doesnt really matter how you stack a cheeseburger. The only important element it the tomato must be sliced at an angle that mean it will be launched across the room at first bite.

  16. earl grey
    Trollface

    i'm going to hell for this

    All i can hear is Ozzy singing "eggs for dinner".

  17. Curly4

    What! Did the egg producers fail to payoff Google Well that will learn you.

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Confused

    What is this sa-lad that you talk about?

    1. KBeee

      Re: Confused

      It's the bit left on the side of your plate after eating steak and chips

  19. Nick Gisburne

    Pork pie!

    The egg people say "Eggs are the perfect salad accompaniment", which by definition means they are not a part of the salad, just something to go with one. Me, I think a pork pie is the perfect salad accompaniment, but I will understand if the salad emoji doesn't show it. Wait, what? There is no separate pork pie emoji? You'll be telling me there are no Cornish pastie or black pudding emojis next. As for the pork pie with an egg in, that is simply an abomination - does it even have a name, let alone an emoji? Pig-egg pie?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Pork pie!

      "As for the pork pie with an egg in, that is simply an abomination - does it even have a name, [...]"

      It is a "Gala Pie". Lots of different recipes on Google - but the egg is in all of them.

  20. gimpySue

    Hm.

    It seems that is not inclusive enough. There are those, as has been pointed out, that cannot eat tomatoes. Then there are those that are left out because they cannot have green leafies (ie those on blood thinners, yes they can technically eat green leafies, but it must be consistent and is a medical angle not a dietary choice like with vegans)

    So if we remove the green leafies and the tomatoes are we being all-inclusive? Not yet, we have those that are being left out because they do not have a bowl (such as third world types) and cannot identify with it readily. So if we remove the bowl....

    I think we have an emoji that everyone can get behind. It's a blank square, but everyone is free to imagine it however they want. True all-inclusiveness. XD

    Now, if that logic is applied to all emoji, the problem of not being diverse enough goes away. Win-win right Google?

  21. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I heard of a thing

    called "virtue signalling"

    and just now I've seen it

    and smelled something like shSSHHHHKKK POWDERMILK BISCUITS

    Heavens, they're tasty and expeditious!

    They're made from whole wheat, to give shy persons the strength to get up and do what needs to be done.

    POWDERMILK BISCUITS

    Buy them ready-made in the big blue box with the picture of the biscuit on the front, or in the brown bag with the dark stains that indicate freshness.

  22. VeganVegan
    Alien

    I apologize for coming late to this discussion

    Given my handle, I felt that I had to make a comment.

    First,: De gustibus non est disputandum.

    Second: I consume about 5 lbs (2.25kg) of meat a week, go figure...

    We presume that the planet Mars is the reference in the manfrommars handle; what do you call someone from the Vega star system?

  23. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Modifiers

    Isn't this what Unicode modifiers were designed to address? You start with a bowl symbol then add modifiers for lettuce, spinach, sunflower seeds, tomato, bacon, cheese, a dash of medium salsa, and steak. Even better if I can text that to a take-out restaurant. Damn, I'm hungry now.

  24. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Can't imagine why British egg producers would want their product associated with a bowl of pet fodder anyway.

  25. Whit.I.Are

    If Google are trying to be more inclusive...

    ...they should also remove the face from the poo emoji. That would be less discriminatory against those of us who don't do poos with faces.

  26. biebel
    Coat

    That was egg saturated; let's toss the salad emoji now!

  27. kain preacher

    I'm sure they had an egg cellent reason to remove it. excellent

  28. NanoMeter

    Think of the meat eaters!

    Won't someone think of the meat eaters? This is not inclusion. I prefer my salads with ham'n stuff.

  29. Mr. Fatuous

    That salad isn't inclusive of my kids. One would only eat the lettuce and the other would throw the salad away and fill the bowl with crisps. He would have eaten the egg though.

    Why do you hate my kids Google?

  30. Scott Marshall
    Flame

    What's the emoji for ...

    "Fu**wits" and "Fu**tards"?

    Seriously, all this "political correctness" hearkens back to the good-bad-old-days of KGB and the political commissars (or politruk) that ensured (enforced?) ideological "purity" in the organisations in which they were embedded.

    I wish the so-called "politically correct" w*nkers would realise that their so-called "inclusiveness" actually creates and promotes more divisiveness than previously existed.

    There's only one good thing for the precious little marshmallows; being shoved on the end of a big prong and roasted over an open fire.

  31. jaffa99

    Eggism, Adolf Hitler would be proud.

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