Woman caught on CCTV performing drunken BJ blew right to privacy Ofcom has rejected a claim that Channel 4 infringed the privacy of a pregnant Southampton woman by broadcasting CCTV footage of her administering drunken oral pleasure to a chap in a tower block lift. "Ms K" lodged a complaint of "unwarranted infringement of privacy" to the TV watchdog regarding the 9 June 2014 episode of CCTV …
When a Council, or private organisation, erects CCTV in a public place, they are obliged to inform people that CCTV is present, and why it is being used. Normally this results in a sign saying "CCTV is used in this area for the purposes of crime prevention and public safety". I very much doubt that they added "...and for the puerile entertainment of Channel 4 viewers".
The only legitimate uses for the video recorded of this woman are to support her prosecution for public order offences, and/or as evidence to recover costs for cleaning/repairing the lift etc. So although complaining to Ofcom did not help, she can still take legal action against the CCTV operators.
Next week on Channel 4: "Soap stars who once scratched their arse in public twenty years before they were famous"
Why did the comment by =5 got downvoted, without anyone having the courtesy of explaining their disagreement?
Do you agree with the misuse of security appliances? Do you take pleasure in other people's misery? Do you like laughing at those who are even less fortunate than you? Please explain.
Why did the comment by =5 got downvoted, without anyone having the courtesy of explaining their disagreement?
'Cause it's impossible to explain and so very easy to press the downvote link?
Presumably all the down-voters think that eternal, public humiliation is a proportionate response to the situation, rather than simply paying a fine for punishment and compensation for the actual damage done.
>Do you agree with the misuse of security appliances?
Apparently so. When I was a sprog & RAF Phantom hit the deck.
>Do you take pleasure in other people's misery?
Methinks they ejected.
>Do you like laughing at those who are even less fortunate than you?
I was riding my motorbike when the phantom engine went overhead.
>Please explain.
I was leaving Billinghhay, "when the plane bounced off of the ground to my left", fell into bits over the road then landed in the field to my right.
I noticed a big nasty bit of metal.
No, she can't because she commited a crime by peeing on the floor in a public area (disorderly conduct and/or lewd and lascivious behavior) and providing oral sex (public nudity/lewd and lascivious behavior) and she continued to commit the crime knowing full well she did it in plain sight of the cameras as they tried to block them (Willful Intent). Both are guilty of the second and third crimes.
The cameras were placed legally as they are not in any place where one would ever expect privacy like a lavatory or locker room. An elevator in a public building is a public place.
Otherwise, a certain US football player would have been able to squash the video of him knocking out his fiancee at a Casino.
"disorderly conduct" is on the books in the US, not the UK, the same as "lewd and lascivious behavior". Besides which, Channel 4 isn't a court of law and she wasn't on trial.
Otherwise, a certain US football player would have been able to squash the video of him knocking out his fiancee at a Casino.
That went to court, right? Not just to television? This was broadcast for titillation and it just isn't on. There's no defence.
I've seen girls pissing in the street during Hogmanay and felt a bit self-righteous about it, but to put it in the public domain would never cross my mind. People make mistakes and any punishment has to be proportionate to the harm done.
OK, this woman's an idiot, but that description of their programme....
"examined the use of CCTV cameras to monitor the public areas of 19 council-owned tower blocks in Southampton and included the views and opinions of CCTV operators and residents on the impact of CCTV".
Bullllllllllllshit. Let me correct that for you:
"offered voyeuristic middle class punters the chance to ogle the zoo of poor people doing things they would never ever do not even once, and pontificate about what it all means over their Marks and Spencer TV dinners."
of the role of television to educate and inform.
Not that I'll be tracking the video down. Personally, I think that discretely pissing in public places away from where people live or work when there is no public loo nearby should, other than in high summer, not be treated, legally or socially, as an offense.
It doesn't harm anyone, the temperature quells the stench, and it is easy to be caught short in the depths of winter.
In summer, people deserve a little social shaming if they don't find a place away from where others live or work, or worse, when there is a public toilet in easy reach.
In the elevator of a building, really, WTF was Mrs. K thinking!
I wonder what Mr. K thinks of it all, presumably he was not the target of her oral attention.
> I think that discretely pissing in public places ... It doesn't harm anyone, the temperature quells the stench, and it is easy to be caught short in the depths of winter.
You've obviously never had to push a wheelchair down a street where someone - or their dog - has pee'd across the street.
You may explain the degree of suffering. I do not support people or dogs 'pissing across the street', but dog owners allow it, here most pick up dog shit (thankfully), but most allow their territorial markings.
If I am caught short in cold wind, I generally know where the nearest shop with a toilet or public toilet is.
If not, plants or a drain, which nobody can see.
I guess you are talking about summer, *sincere* congratulations for helping a wheelchair-bound person, but can't see the point of your post.
> If I am caught short in cold wind, ... plants or a drain, which nobody can see. ... can't see the point of your post.
As you correctly point out, public urination is treated, legally or socially, as an offense. You argue that these rules should be relaxed, that it is socially acceptable to urinate in a 'discrete' place.
The problem is, you and I may differ on what we consider to be 'discrete' - hence the need for legislation.
There is also the issue of whether 'discreet' peeing is "cumulatively tolerable".
TV coverage of footballers spitting on the pitch made spitting more socially acceptable. While one sportsman clearing his throat may not present a major health risk, this has led to a rise in people spitting in public, and a corresponding increase in public health issues.
F-N
I didn't correctly point out what you say I did, it is not an offense here, if done discreetly, and away from places where it causes real offense, I don't think it should be an offense at all, except if done in a specifically offensive way.
I live above a small car-park, too many people relieve themselves there in high summer, I do not like it, but I don't think they should be arrested or fined, usually quiet, also, for women, the vehicles provide a little shelter.
BTW, sincere thx for pulling me up on the auto-input slip.
I often tell people when there is a toilet nearby 'excuse me, there is a public toilet/shop with a toilet you can use just a few metres away', including at the afore-mentioned carpark if I happen to be arriving home or departing at the same time, although there, it is understandable if people who are not from the area don't know where they are or are lost, it's a bit like a labyrinth. Would never dream of doing more than embarrassing them.
As for FA players, I don't like the mentality of soccer in general, so I just about never watch it.
While not agreeing on all things, I would truly like to hear in more detail what you meant about problems with guiding a wheelchair-bound person about in the first comment.
People who piss in the car-park that I live above, they make it a little stinky in summer, but I clearly see that they don't make a problem for the people in wheelchairs who live in and travel about in the area.
> In the elevator of a building, really, WTF was Mrs. K thinking!
Yeah, that's some lack of judgement and consideration, but as you hint, it does not justify in any way public broadcast of a private security video.
And btw, what is it with El Reg making it looks like they're talking of some kind of court verdict? Does Mr. Haines know what Ofcom is?
I don't agree with all you say, but some of it is valid.
I must admit, this article and thread have really got me laughing, even though it is disgusting behaviour all around, pissing in a lift on camera (and knowing that), someone at the security company or council selling the video to a major TV channel, the TV channel broadcasting it, the regulator (IMHO) making the right choice against the complainant, although those who sold the footage should also be shown the door by their employers, that wasn't the complaint Ofcom was considering.
Biggest laugh I've enjoyed on the 'net so far this year, will have to watch the video if I can track it down.
> I just assumed that people only use AC when the post may endanger them in some way.
One reason I post AC, in fact, is to raise the "noise level" of AC posts to help out those who may need to use the feature out of a genuine privacy concern. The other reasons are more philosophical than practical in nature.
Unfortunately, it is a shame that there is no moral code that broadcast television is held accountable to. As I have only been on this planet for 50 years... it seems that TV's demise and degradation parallels societies on many levels. It seems to lead to a twisted sociopathy and lack of empathy that tears our world apart even further. We look down on others to make ourselves feel better instead of trying to improve ourselves. One could read about this, but to show it on TV just lacks moral character. It is akin to reading raunchy Hustler Humor cartoons. We know this kind of thing exists, but they do not have to show it on TV. One could read about it instead.
" [...] it seems that TV's demise and degradation parallels societies on many levels."
It is a human character trait. The Romans had it down to a fine art with their circuses to keep the plebs happy. Public floggings and executions were popular social occasions for all classes for many centuries in Europe. The Victorians liked their "penny dreadfuls" and tours of Bedlam or foundling homes.
Find an "outsider" group in any society - and it is too easy to render them fair game for anyone with a grievance about their own lives.
Its a shame and sociopathic when morons and numptys (of ANY social class) think it is okay to spread their virus ridden bodily fluids all over the inside of a public conveyance and made even more so when ANYONE would ever defend that kind of behavior.
I believe that they should take the pixellation off these videos so they completely shame the idiots who did the disgusting deeds in public. If you get caught doing something bad by the camera, be prepared to be on TV. Screw "empathy" as there can be no excuse for that behavior, ever.
Stop apologising for these fools. They lost all right to any "pity" long ago.
Be careful there. You may inspire Mrs. K to a major media career, after all, Kim Kardashian was only copying Paris Hilton by releasing video of herself having sex, and pretending that it was leaked.
Never watched any of that, but I really do want to watch the Mrs. K and not-Mr.-K in the lift video, it sounds so wonderfully tawdry, pissing on the floor of the elevator is a great touch.
I would not want to see that elevator at the time or have to ride it a short time later, but the whole is really making me laugh.
Ched Evans had his life ruined because he had sex with someone who was drunk and therefore unable to consent. This woman was unable to consent to being filmed and the man she was raping* could not give consent to being "pleasured". Don't put her on TV, put her in jail! And tell us her name.
Technically it's not rape, but it would be if our laws were not sexist. She enveloped him, he penetrated her. Only penetration is rape. Because she was unable to consent to penetration it's actually him that's the criminal, and being drunk is no excuse (for a man).
I've long noted the the most bigoted misandrists are mainly men, and you're a prime example. I really hope you end up falsely accused of rape or molestation and have your fucking life ruined as you so richly deserve. Filthy PC suck-up cockroaches like you are the ones undermining real efforts to fight injustice, by causing people to backlash against genuine equality movements. Spewing bigoted male-hate like you are doing is exactly what makes people think wrongly that equal-rights movements are all about hating on whites and males instead of achieving real equality, and so they naturally fight back with even more bigotry.
So do the world a favour and just shut your fucking sanctimonious mouth, and let the reformers who actually possess more than one brain cell do their job. You aren't helping women or any other victims of injustice in your crusade to show how politically correct you are, and you're hampering real efforts to achieve equal treatment for everyone.
Did you read every word, or just every other word? The guy was raped (by feminist standards) but he'll see no justice because our gynocentric laws allow women to rape with impunity. In reality (not the feminist fantasy world the law reflects), there is no justice to be served here because there was consent, but in the Ched Evans case consent didn't matter...because he's a man.
I'm amazed at the level of support for this woman, I dislike the constantly lowering common denominator for TV programs but as far as Ms K is concerned; if you can't take the public shame, don't shame yourself in public, nobody I am sure made you drink until you were drunk so the consequences of your actions are yours (and your elevated partner).
As for these programs 'being for the middle classes to watch the proles', anybody who watches this crap and is entertained by it, has no class.
Whilst there's technically no right to privacy in a public space, using the video for commercial gain without permission from the "subject" of the video brings up all sorts of sideways legal issues probably not covered by OFCOM that could end up in civil court. Complaining to OFCOM isn't really going to get you anywhere in this case.
Also don't suck people off in front of CCTV, don't get that drunk..
There was this girl, who got ripped to the tits
Who decided to pee in a lift
It soon came to be, that she appeared on tv
But this made her a little bit miffed
Her boyfriend was also remiss
He should have settled, just for a kiss
But he trembled his knee, when she sucked it to see
While the floor was all covered with piss
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